“We can live with Turkish-style Islamists as in Egypt.”

Yes you can, but people in Turkey are finding it very difficult living under the values of Anatolian peasants….

“First, the initial Egyptian election results confirm the expectation that Islamist parties would dominate the first round of elections: they’ve taken more than 50 per cent of the vote.”

You guys never thought that. You were all for the fall of Mubarak- thus the inevitable Islamist takeover.

You were under the impression that everyone else was wrong to expect this scenario and that a Facebook blogger would bring in some trendy liberals to run Egypt.

That is what happened.

This is why seemingly Iran has always been behind the Arab Spring and has gleefully watched you lot doing their dirty work for them.

this is purely from reading how you and your colleagues have reported these uprisings and watching snippets of Press TV on my SKY package.

It’s an absolutely terrible situation.

And these results from Egypt are from the major cities where all your beloved Google executives and poncy Facebook users live. Wait till you see the results from the parts of the country full of illiterate farm-hands. Let Somalia-on-the-Nile commence. And dimoto, Israel and the USA are not religious nut-jobs with nuclear bombs, and you know it. That’s idiotic.

Jeremy – “Religious nut-jobs with nuclear bombs”.

Who would that be ? Pakistan ? Israel ? or maybe the USA ?

Trevors Den as you are, now, an International Authority on Democracy. Please define democracy and then explain just what we have in this Country where politicians ignore the public and carry on regardless.

I think Trevorsden is right. Unless you are prepared to abandon all democratic principles, there is no alternative. We can live with Turkish-style Islamists as in Egypt. In Iran there is a full blown Caliphate in effect and it is a terrorist-totalitarian state, known to use terrorist proxies. They simply can’t be allowed to obtain nuclear weapons.

And probably this afternoon’s bomb outside the British Embassy in Bahrain was the work of Iranian-backed Shia militants.

As Obama’s naive Iranian outreach programme is long since dead, and as the US Sixth Fleet is on station with the USS George HW Bush battle group (70 fighter-bombers and 8 guided missile cruisers and destroyers) and with the Israeli Defense Forces raring to go, why not extract Iran’s incipient nuclear teeth now?

It has to be done sometime.

Given the criminal behaviour of the Egyptian army then are we surprised. But thats democracy for you. Whats important is that there are further elections. Totalitarianism would be a disaster.

Frank P
December 6th, 2011 12:35am
Well said, sir!

Incidentally I have no right to ‘prefer’ anything in the Arab World as you put it; I just have the right to watch the cunning barbaric bastards with both eyes – and the one in the back of my head and to urge my government to protect us from their worst excesses and save our civilisation from the jihad. A fat chance of that, it appears. But it still is my right at this moment in time. Next week, who the fuck knows?

The situation in Italy today implies that democracy as it is popularly understood is not possible. Technocrats are running the country ostensibly because a majority of the people do not know what is good for them.

arnoldo

I just want the staffers to catch up with their customers, that’s all. And our politicians to wake up to the dire threat from Islam in all its voracious methodology: from bloody terrorism to cunning deceit and infiltration. How you have the gall to spout about the benefits of democracy by slow osmosis in the ME, in light of what is happening in Europe at the moment – what particular form of ‘democracy’ do you you hope they will eventually follow? And is our own bastardised government, which nobody voted for and is anyway bereft of any real sovereign power now, likely to become ‘democratic’ before the Arabs? Do that help you with my mind set?

@ Frank P

It’s hard to work out what you prefer in the Arab World, Frank.

Is it the sort of dictatorship that has been the norm for decades, or an unavoidably immature democracy where the victors do not meet with our approval?

I agree with your comments about the election outcomes being “bleeding obvious” before the event, but ANY government elected in a fair and democratic manner, that maintains full democracy thereafter is surely preferable to dictatorship – isn’t it?

And I also concede that there is a possibility/probability that a full democracy will NOT be maintained thereafter.

It’s all part of a very long process where the populations of the ME will learn that true democracy is the least worst of all govermental methods.

Btw

Btw I take it that Daniel Korski Is still on that diploma course? He has been testing the waters with his prep work on this blog, also.

Mudplugger,

Your policy is no policy, because as the IRA used to say, so with the Islamists, they only need to be successful once. We saw that in Iran. It has now happened in other countries. We see that the previous “hard man” policy did NOT offer security. I note that the liberal/secular parties in Egypt do poll around a quarter of the vote even now. What if we had put serious money into backing democratic movements over the last 50 years is it really so unlikely we would now have a democratic Egypt. Wherever there are genuine democrats we should back them as hard as we can and ensure they have the sort of resources that the Saudis give to our Islamist enemies.