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How about we ‘defend European values’ by not arresting people who say stupid things?

24 March 2016

5:36 PM

24 March 2016

5:36 PM

After terrorist outrages like the one in Brussels, our leaders always say the same thing: ‘We must defend European values against these evil killers.’ It seems the Metropolitan Police didn’t get the memo. For they have just arrested someone — actually arrested someone — for tweeting something unpleasant about the Brussels attack, in the process trampling their coppers’ boots all over what is surely, or at least ought to be, the most important European value of all: freedom of speech.

The arrested man is one Matthew Doyle. He went viral after tweeting about a run-in he had on the day of the Brussels attacks: ‘I confronted a Muslim woman yesterday in Croydon. I asked her to explain Brussels. She said “Nothing to do with me”. A mealy mouthed reply.’

Now, if this encounter really did happen — and many have their doubts — it was a rude and ugly thing for him to have done. But to be arrested for tweeting about the incident, on suspicion of ‘inciting racial hatred’? To be locked up for hours, as Doyle has been, for saying something silly to a woman in the street and then tweeting about it? That is outrageous. The awfulness of his tweet pales into insignificance in comparison with the awfulness of his having been arrested for it. If you’re still shocked by his tweet rather than by the fact that 21st-century Britain arrests people for what they say, then your moral priorities need urgent rearranging.

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This mad incident confirms how dangerous the Twittermob can be. Doyle’s tweet sped round the world. It was retweeted, tweeted about, covered in the press. Doyle was mocked and parodied, which is fine, but he was also branded dangerous and reported to the police, which is not fine. He fell victim to the Twittermob’s thirst for outrage, their never-ending search for someone or something they might feel thrillingly if temporarily disgusted by and virtuous in comparison to. This time some went even further, demanding that their sanctimonious fury be topped off with actual state action against the witch in their midst. ‘Arrest him!’, they hollered, and the police arrested him. For speaking. For saying what he thinks. For being an idiot. It’s a crime now to be an idiot? Arrest everyone.

The intensity of the Doylephobia — yeah, I’m using that word — is striking. It points to a desperation among certain observers to prove, against the evidence, that terrorist attacks are followed by outbursts of Islamophobia. In lieu of any serious backlash against Muslims following the Brussels attacks, with the people of Brussels instead remaining magnificently tolerant and peaceful, the Islamophobia industry must scour for any scrap of Muslim-hate it can find and then blow it up for the media and moralists to get whipped up about. So Tell Mama UK, which logs anti-Muslim incidents in Britain, has tweeted about the Doyle tweet more than 10 times. Hilarious. In the very act of constantly drawing attention to what one, sad man in Croydon said, Tell Mama unwittingly demonstrates that there isn’t much other Islamophobia to talk about. It undermines its own claims. Great work, guys!

The true horror here is not what Doyle said — it’s his arrest. That should make you angry. Because if we aren’t free to say silly things to people, and to tweet about it later, then we aren’t free. If we don’t have the freedom to say ‘Muslims should answer for the Brussels attacks’ — which I don’t think they should, by the way — then we don’t have freedom of speech. It’s that simple. Laugh at Doyle all you like, but his arrest is as much an attack on your freedom as it is on his freedom, because it tells us there are certain things we may not think or tweet without facing potential arrest.

‘The terrorists hate our freedoms’, people say. They aren’t the only ones. Angry tweeters, the easily offended, time-rich policemen… some people at the very heart of our societies seem to hate freedom too and want to rein in the right to speak freely. We have to defend our values against both nutters with bombs and a PC mob with Twitter accounts.


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  • TartanTerrier

    It’s called an assault. If a Muslim had done it to a Tory voter in Sussex there would be a slightly different resonse I’ll wager……

  • Maureen Fisher
  • DBF

    The Thout Police are alive and well in today’s Britain and it is a sad indictment of what Britain has become.

  • mickey667

    why the blatant lies as the premiss of the article? ‘For they have just arrested someone — actually arrested someone — for tweeting something unpleasant about the Brussels attack”

    He was arrested for religiously prejudiced street harassment.

    • WTF

      Is plod supposed to arrest every one who approaches you in the street trying to sell you something or convert you to some religion, don’t be daft !

      • mickey667

        No of course not. Its ridiculous. Its just the premiss of the article is false.

        It had nothing to do with tweeting and the argument fails because he fails to identify what really happened.

    • Cyril Sneer

      How dare he ask a muslim a question.

      If a muslim had asked about say… slavery (even though more blacks were slavers than whites etc etc) to a white man.

      Would the muslime be arrested? No, no I don’t think so.

      • mickey667

        “If a muslim had asked about say… slavery (even though more blacks were slavers than whites etc etc)”

        HaHa. You are the most spectator thing on these boards Cyril. A joy.

      • RightThinkingMan

        How dare he ask a white middle class bigot a question?

  • mickey667

    I prefer the approach taken on the Tyneside Metro, when a similar small penised lonely man tried to bully a young women traveling on her own into Town. Because she was wearing a hijab this guy similarly held her responsible for the then recent Paris attacks .

    Nearby Newcastle Fans, no doubt suitably refreshed at the local tavern, and on their way to the match, informed him sternly he would be getting thrown off at the next stop, which he was, to applause. I find that more British than this whining article, and this pathetic bully harassing random women in the street.

    Also, ask yourselves, why always is it women challenged by these sorts of men? You don;t see them wandering into the local mosque asking to see the lads now do you? Cowards

    • Cyril Sneer

      Prove you’re not a coward – walk into a mosque and ask them what they think of gay rights. You could also add that being against equality for gays is homophobic and that they don’t belong here in the west if they’re homophobic. It’s not even an ‘if’ though is it?

      If you can’t do this then you’re a coward just like most of you on the left as we all found out after Cologne.

      • RightThinkingMan

        Really – why not ask the Tory Party – most Tory MPs voted against gay marriage? Oh, I forgot – when Catholics and most of the Tory Party vote against gay marriage, that isn’t backward? Its only muslims who are backward. As ever, with most you angry white men, all you can do is spew hatred on some Spectator message board. Cyril, you are a coward. Yellow. Chicken coward. All you will do is reply to this message, proving the coward that you are

  • Hippograd

    If only we had open borders as Brendan and the rest of the Revolutionary Communist Party want. More Muslims = more free speech.

    • EdinSpain

      As I have said elsewhere Britain is turning into a copy of Spain. No country in Europe is in a worse state than Spain but the UK is catching up fast. In Spain everyone is given a political label. People don’t go to a particular bar because the owner is left wing or right wing. Absolutely everything is politicised. The UK is becoming the same. No sensible discussion takes place, make a comment and before you know it you’ll be labelled a fascist or a Marxist. It’s childish extremism but it’s destroying the fabric of the United Kingdom. Britain during centuries has been known for being a tolerant and welcoming society. Not any more, and in the end those who’ll suffer the most are the Brits.

      • Cyril Sneer

        It is the left that has done this.

  • William Brown

    I am perplexed, as, I’m sure, many other people are. The nearest thing written in the tweet that could cause incitement to religious or racial hatred is the term ‘mealy mouthed’. For this the police sought to arrest the ‘offender’. We are living in bizarre times, indeed.

    • EdinSpain

      You think accosting someone in the street and ranting at them is normal? I don’t. The guy himself accepted that he was wrong in what he did, but arresting him was not a sensible move. He should have offered to do some charity work on a couple of weekends.

      • William Brown

        No, of course not, but arresting him? To me, it just illustrates how confused society has become. When our Police force are guided by the professionally offended twitterati, but other bodies are left to adopt much more odious exploits, without sanction, then it’s time to ask some questions, surely?

        • EdinSpain

          Yes, it is time to ask some questions. The problem is that starting with Maggie Thatcher politicians recognised that a well educated populace presents a danger to them, consequently Thatcher, Blair and Tony Crossland introduced measures that have made it virtually impossible to educate people in public secondary schools. The result was evident recently when the results of an investigation carried out by a UK university were published. British males under the age of 35 came out worst, with a majority of them being described as boorish, selfish, uncaring and very badly educated, and they are as they are because that’s how they want to be. They refuse to be educated. On the other hand British & US universities are still the best in the world.
          With a generation like that who has sufficient gumption to ask the right questions and make a sensible decision over the UE? Very few it would appear. Discussion is limited to the left knocking the right and the right knocking the left, nothing more. What that leads to is VERY evident in Spain as I’ve said in another comment.
          As you correctly said “We are living in bizarre times, indeed”, – never a truer word.

      • WTF

        It doesn’t work that way does it ? If it had got to court and was found guilty (unlikely) they’d have banged him up rather than do community service to set an example.

      • Cyril Sneer

        I think you miss the point – if it had been the other way around the muslim would not have been arrested.

        It’s a one way street.

        • RightThinkingMan

          Good – go on stop whining, like the baby you are! Stand up for Free Speech. Say something islamaphobic on twitter. Oh I forgot, you are a coward!

  • EdinSpain

    People shouldn’t be arrested for being stupid, if they were 80% of all British males under the age of 35 would need to be arrested. They should be educated, 2 hours each evening between 9 and 11 and 6 hours on Saturday and Sunday. After 3 months of that they may just about be as intelligent as a 13 year old Finn. Finnish teenagers use their summer holidays to learn languages like Russian,Chinese and Arabic. Meanwhile British teenagers jump off balconies in Majorca.

  • Mr Grumpy

    Is it permissible to ask a Muslim in Glasgow what they think of their top imam praising a murderer as a “true Muslim”?

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14385932.Pakistani_rift_behind_turf_war_at_Glasgow_mosque/

    • RightThinkingMan

      Is it permissible to ask a Christian in Texas what they think of their top Prez Bush murdering 1m Iraqis – or is ordering the death of 1m people better than praising a murderer

      • ColTPride

        Of course it is. Mr Grumpy’s question remains unanswered.

        • RightThinkingMan

          Iraq – not Bush and Blair’s fault. All those dead brown people – nothing to do with me! My god, is that what the Spectator readers come up with.up. So middle mgmt! How many dead brown people do Bush and Blair have to kill for it to register with you? Am off back to the FT boards! You know the people who tell Spectator readers what to do

          • WTF

            How many Kurds gassed by Saddam Hussein or other opponent of his. Then we had his Iraq – Iran war, all of which had nothing to do with the west..

            No one is excusing Bush or Blair but you’re not only excusing ALL the massacres carried out by Muslims where ever they happen and over the past 1400 years, you wont even debate them. You’ve air brushed them from ever happening.

            • RightThinkingMan

              Say sorry for your follow white Christians, Bush and Blair. It’s easy.

              • WTF

                They aren’t my fellow Christians as I’m not a religious person but in any case I don’t apologize for something I am not responsible for, I only condemn acts that I don’t agree to. You don’t even acknowledge genocides when they are happening right now, I think I have the moral high ground here.

                • RightThinkingMan

                  No one cares what you think – that’s why you rant on some Spectator blog?!

                • WTF

                  With the moniker you have that was a dumb choice, you neither think through anything and are definitely on the wrong side of the countries sentiment.

                • RightThinkingMan

                  That would be country’s mate – remember if you get a degree from a red brick – it doesn’t count!! Loser!

                • WTF

                  One can have many degrees but like you, still have s*** for brains !

                • RightThinkingMan

                  Clearly that Oxbridge reject letter still rankles – oh dear. why don’t you go back to middle office job in slough?!

                • Leon Wolfeson

                  Ah, the claim you’re a country….your username is apt.

              • Cyril Sneer

                I thought you were off?

          • Cyril Sneer

            F ck off then.

        • RightThinkingMan

          As does mine?!

      • WTF

        Do you have URL dyslexia like Impotent Wizard ?

        That 1 million figure is a nice try but hardly accurate to lay at the feet of Bush or Blair. I’ll help you out just like I tried helping that lame wizard. You need to contextualize the numbers and as bad as they were, there’s a lot more to meet the eye than that vague figure.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

        In comparison, the Syrian war, essentially a civil war, which has NOTHING to do with the west has seen 500,000 dead so far and it only been going for 4 years.

        http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/a-staggering-new-death-toll-for-syrias-war-470000/

        Kinda puts things in perspective but I’m sure you’ll disagree.

      • Mr Grumpy

        Four times the Iraq Body Count’s total murdered by one man, with no assistance whatsoever from Baathists, sectarian militias or jihadis. Believe me, I’m so keen for you to tell the folk in Texas all about this that I’m tempted to buy you the plane ticket.

      • WTF

        Of course its permissible as they have freedom of speech enshrined in the constitution in America something that the UK doesn’t have. Wan*** !

      • Cyril Sneer

        Yes it is.

        Oh that wasn’t the answer you were looking for?

        • RightThinkingMan

          Oh – at least you are open in bigotry! One million dead brown people – you don’t care. Thanks Adolf – go on, put that on twitter. Oh I forgot, you are a coward! you will just reply to message and prove that you are a coward

  • Paul Robertosan

    And so it has came out that the man was actually pretty left wing and cucked politically, and he was even apologetic about daring to ask a Muslim woman such a question, and being a little confused as to why she seemed completely indifferent to the atrocity and glare at him for asking. Oh yes, Brendan, the man is certainly an idiot, but for a very different reason than you assumed. An idiot for thinking his type wouldn’t turn on him if he wasn’t constantly aware of being exactly right-on and polite 24/7.

  • Germainecousin

    Asking this woman a pertinent question might have been rude, but it certainly wasn’t ugly. It must take a lot of nerve or a lot of arrogance to walk about the place in a hideous get up that marks you out as a follower of what is a violent sect. For many people, myself included, witnessing the often ‘don’t give a damn’ look of these women in the immediate aftermath of a violent atrocity is very hard to take. No one dares to look sideways at them, yet a western woman would get thrashed if she took the same attitude in an Islamic country. Good on the man, he was merely asking the question lots of us were thinking, nothing ugly about that.

    • RightThinkingMan

      ? I for one, am walking around London looking out for Spectator readers and will be asking them about Anders Brevik, the murder of over 1m Iraqis by the “Christians” Prez Bush and Blair. Like you, I wont tolerate the don’t give a damn attitude of the average spectator reader. Good on me for putting Spectator readers in their place. no one looks twice at Spectator readers. but I wont be that person. As I said, good on me, lots of us despise the tiny minority that is the Spectator reader, and I will asking very forcefully questions of this unpleasant, horrible little sect. What goes around comes around!

      • WTF

        I’ll look out for you as I enjoy a good debate with people without facts !

        • RightThinkingMan

          I notice you haven’t apologised for Anders Brevik – very mealy mouthed. Facts! you read the Spectator! Try reading the FT- or do the words confuse you?!

          • WTF

            I haven’t had the dubious ‘pleasure’ of meeting you in London so how can I condemn his actions.

            I know URL’s confuse you as just like that other wan*** you never back up what you post unlike myself.

            • RightThinkingMan

              Oh, as ever, the White male resorts to verbal abuse when his arguments fail.

              • WTF

                Post sense and you’ll get courtesy, post cr** and you get what you deserve.

                Now about your condemnation of present day genocides, are you going to condemn them in writing or silently agree with them !

                • RightThinkingMan

                  As ever, never once apologising for Bliar and Bush – because they are nothing to do with you? But the muslim lady – she has to apologise for Brussels. Love the self serving drivel. You must have studied really hard for it for your silly O level.

                • WTF

                  How many more times does it take to penetrate your thick skull, there’s no need or reason to apologize for someone else’s actions, if you disagree with them you condemn them and I’ve already done that many times.

                  Now perhaps as a child you likely did some anti-social acts which you mother apologized for because you were uncontrollable or maybe you have a dog that s**** on a neighbors front yard, that’s where you apologize for someone else, get it !

                • RightThinkingMan

                  Here he is – the physical coward. Don’t rant at me! Take on the Muslims! There were thousands of them walking around over the weekend. DIdnt see you do anything about that. No! Of course – Mr Scaredy Cat prefers he keyboard master action. Remember the more you rant, the more obvious your cowardice is and the more Muslims there will be walking around. Ha! Only the weak rant.

                • WTF

                  OK Leon, time to take your Meds !

                • Leon Wolfeson

                  So you can’t differentiate between different people, drug pusher…

                • WTF

                  I can certainly differentiate between the rational posters here even if we have opposing views but dealing with an adult suffering from a combination of ADD and self persecution is very hard going.

                • Leon Wolfeson

                  So you note you’re irrational, and talk about yourself, right.

                • Leon Wolfeson

                  Ah yes, analogies of violence, as you refuse to condemn those who act in your name, check.

                  (Except Muslims, you act the collectivist theer…)

                  Blaming others for your childhood, well!

                • WTF

                  What have Muslims got to do with this post, you’re drifting off again !

                • Leon Wolfeson

                  Oh, right, I talked about facts, can’t be allowed as you call discussion “drift”…

              • Cyril Sneer

                Oh you’re a racist too.

                How quaint.

  • mr x mr x

    Not just arrested and locked-up for hours, but his house was also trashed and his computer taken away in the search for evidence of the heinous crime… I was truly shocked that this happens in Britain.

  • Pragney

    Pick up the Qur’an or state the truth about Mohammed and it will be protected because it is a religion. Islamist preacher get away with incitement because they can claim it is their religion. The guy is an idiot but criminalising Tweeting is absurd.

    • SP_UK

      No, it’s not protected because it’s a religion – it receives far more protection than any other religion. Say an idiotic thing about Christians and you will not be subjected to trial by Twitter or find yourself incarcerated by the police.

      • RightThinkingMan

        I think a whole bunch of Christian child rapists – protected by the Catholic church – would disagree with you on that!

        • SP_UK

          The Church covering up its own scandals is a separate point entirely. Obviously what I meant is that if someone tweeted ‘I confronted a Catholic woman yesterday in Croydon. I asked her to explain paedophile priests. She said “Nothing to do with me”. A mealy mouthed reply.’ then they would not be arrested (and neither should they, of course).

          • RightThinkingMan

            I am going to go into all Catholic Churches and ask the congregation are they Christian child rapists? Separate point entirely – of course not. Are all Christian priests rapists? I love this bigotry stuff – makes life so easy

            • WTF

              Especially coming from those who claim bigotry from others !

              • RightThinkingMan

                Ouch, don’t you like bigotry. I mean it was white Christian middle aged men who raped these children. Why, men like you! Simples! Very mealy mouthed of you not to apologise for the rape of Children by your fellow Christians?!

                • WTF

                  Especially when that bigotry comes from the progressive liberals like you who excuse others sexual acts on underage young white girls in a racially inspired criminal act. Only Islam combines pedophilia with racism, that’s quite an achievement that even beats the Catholic church and its previous depravities !

                • RightThinkingMan

                  Oh dear – how man Christian priests committed paedophile – you haven’t said sorry and so you must be think it’s a good idea. Typical of the small minded Spectator reader. Angry white man can’t function into today’s global economy and so resorts to defending Christian mass rape of children – only Christianity has a priesthood where buggering children was the norm

                • WTF

                  You’re a knee-jerk, genocide promoting fruitcake with delusions of adequacy.

                  Just condemn all genocides & pedophilia just as I’ve condemned all genocides and pedophilia, its not that difficult really.

                • HolgerDansk

                  Were you bummed a lot in school?

                • WTF

                  Sounds like it, communal showers and he kept dropping the soap !

            • Cyril Sneer

              Why don’t you go into a mosque and ask them about gay rights.

              You know gay rights – that thing you will support unless it means confronting muslims.

        • WTF

          A lame equivalence from those desperate to pad out their weak argument.

  • Gilbert White

    Test

    • RightThinkingMan

      Why not the same of all the Christians – esp the papists? I mean they looked the other way when their priests buggered and raped children? Lets ask all Catholics to sign a piece of a paper saying they don’t agree with child rape – start with that loser IDS

      • WTF

        Whats all this papist nonsense, most of us aren’t even religious. Kinda blows your argument !

        • RightThinkingMan

          Child rape by white middle aged Christian men – such as yourself. AND you don’t CONDEMN it. Mealy mouthed. Very. Mealy. Mouthed.

          • WTF

            Check my many posts condemning it, wish we could say the same about you in reverse.

          • Cyril Sneer

            Do you condemn the industrialised rape of white children by muslim pedos?

            No I bet you don’t.

            I worry about my daughters future because of c nts like you.

  • Jaime_the_Scribe

    Firstly, Islam is NOT a RACE. So how on earth can he be inciting racial hatred? He isn’t. He’s just a person like the rest of us who is sick and tired of terrorism and the left’s continual defense of the worst aspects of ISLAM. WE value our countries, unlike our gutless politicians who clearly don’t.

    • RightThinkingMan

      I am sick and tired of Christian murdering in Iraq – how many did those Christians, Bush and Blair – kill ? I am tired of the continual defence of this so called religion of peace called Christianity!

      • Jaime_the_Scribe

        I was wondering when someone like you would show up. And yep – here you are.

        Let’s go:

        Firstly, no one here probably defends Bush and Blair’s intervention into Iraq. I certainly didn’t. What Blair alone did amounted to a very ill-thought-out strategy that was done mainly to appease the Americans. I’d hardly call Blair and Bush Christian, anyway. And don’t forget, Blair was a Socialist and Leader of the Labour Party. A Leftist. Like it or not. He did it. A lefty – NOT a right-winger. Never forget that.

        Iraq aside, this was bound to happen thanks to the insanity of political correctness anyway. If you give savages ground they will take a mile. They see kindness as a weakness; they exploit it and feel they have gained ground. Did Sweden invade Iraq? Did Denmark or Norway? No. And look at the Islamic insanity they have to endure and all thanks to a heap of socialists that really can’t grasp reality – and still can’t.

        So to defend Islam and its agenda is laughable. I think the next phase is starting to follow. And that is an impending Right-Wing backlash and it really won’t be pretty for any liberal platform. And no matter how much the leftists or liberals try their hand at ‘No Platforming’ it won’t work. Let the REAL people judge Islam and whether it is imperative to the Western world it clearly cannot assimilate into.

        • RightThinkingMan

          . What you think is irrelevant. Both are god fearing Christians. Last time I checked, that other Christian, Ian Duncan Smith (Papist!) was right behind them. Prez Bush a socialist? IDS a socialist? To defend that mumbo jumbo called Christianity – well its laughable. While we are at – when are we going to kick the Papists out – you do know they are mostly child rapists and IRA bombers. Please don’t tell me you are Papist? Or are Christian child rapists okay?

          • Jaime_the_Scribe

            I don’t think any form of sexual preditory acts are acceptable – no matter what religion it is linked to. And talking of Islam, of course, they’re a model of sexual restraint, right? Don’t ask me. Ask a multitude of Swedish and German women……or, and a series of small town northern girls from Rotherham and Oldham – and that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

            But since political correctness is dying out, we’ll be seeing more and more of these offenders seeing the inside of a court which isn’t based around Sharia.

            • RightThinkingMan

              Ask the papists – I mean – you defend the filthy scum! Their church condoned it! It was their priests ie they guys who run the place who were doing it – RAPING CHILDREN – I even put it in capitals so you would understand.. Christian Priests engaging in the wholesale, systematic RAPE of LITTLE CHILDREN (caps again for you). Question – are all Christian priests rapists? Or just the Papists? Jamie – please tell me you are not a follower of Rome – ie a foreign malign power that has rtried to murder the head of our country for CENTURIES (caps again).

              • Jaime_the_Scribe

                I’m not Catholic. No. I’m Protestant. You seem to be using one negative aspect of Catholism to defend the consistantly vile antics of a brutal and dark ages system that is politically driven to conquer Western ideology (fat chance).

                Defending Islam is untenable. Recently, we have seen a Pakistani shopkeeper brutally murdered in Glasgow for simply wishing his beloved Christian nation a Happy Easter. Would we have done that to our own people for wishing a Muslim a happy ramadan? I think not.

                Islam can’t work with Western thinking, our ways, our laws or culture. In fact, I feel it’s outstayed its welcome.

                Japan won’t put up with it. I think Europe has had enough.

                • RightThinkingMan

                  Good god – a papist Christian sympathiser! A sympathiser with a Christian church that tolerated raping little children. You think its enlightened to rape children – that this is “one negative aspect” of this Christian church. Just how many children have to be raped for you? One, two? Ten thousand? What is the acceptable number of children the followers of Rome have to rape for you to see sense? Jaime the sympathiser with the child rapists. Vile! . Recently, we have seen children raped numerous times and Jaime thinks its just “one negative aspect”. You as the cheerleader for the Christian child rapists have outstayed your welcome. Off to rome with you! We certainly need to kick all the Roman Catholics out (the hint is in Rome – its not London Catholics is it?). Or are you a defender of Christian rapists?

                • Jaime_the_Scribe

                  Just how many innocent girls have to be sexually assulted by Muslim grooming gangs? Or have we suddenly developed a sense of selective persecution? Just how many women across Europe have to be attacked, harassed, and sexually pestered by migrants who seem to labour under the insane belief that they are above our laws and can do as they please with impunity?

                  You really are going off-track with your reasoning.

                • RightThinkingMan

                  Defending the papists as ever. Clearly you aren’t a Protestant. More likely a Papist – of if a Protestant – one of those liberal, wishy protestants who defends the catholic raping of children. Your lot are better off in Rome. Good god! Muslim grooming gangs you hate?! Catholic you like?! Clearly you are a papist or a papist sympathiser. As said, off to your leader in Rome. You have totally lost the plot, mate!

                • Jaime_the_Scribe

                  So, as a protestant I must consider all Catholics as a reviled specie? No. I don’t. Unlike the Muslim grooming gangs you clearly refuse to acknowledge as wrong doers who, in themselves, never bother about which religion they attack as long as the victims are white and western.

                  Sorry, you don’t make any sense to me. You really don’t.

                • ColTPride

                  “Sorry, you don’t make any sense to me. You really don’t.”

                  You should have started and ended with that four post ago. The man is absurd.

                • Jaime_the_Scribe

                  He’s just what he is. An apologist. He’s moronic.

                • RightThinkingMan

                  Oh here he is. The “Protestant” again. Good god, the great Rev Paisley would have you shot! Good job too.

                • WTF

                  All I have to say to a jihad-joining degenerate like you is two words: YOU LIE!

                • WTF

                  Its Leon the Loony, I’m more and more convinced of it. Come on Leon, own up, it really is you isn’t it !

                • RightThinkingMan

                  So, you don’t revile the child raping Papists – weren’t they raping white/western children? But you hate the Muslims. Wow! As for being a Protestant – clearly not – more of a whishy liberal Papist lover. As the great Rev Paisley said – the trouble with catholics is they breed like rabbits! He was a proper protestant!

                • WTF

                  And another papist rant, don’t you ever stop ?

                • RightThinkingMan

                  Another anti- muslim rant, don’t you ever stop?

                • WTF

                  Dyslexic as well, the post was “And another papist rant, don’t you ever stop ?”

                  Didn’t even mention the word Muslim, why did you ?

                • WTF

                  I believe he already said he wasn’t religious just like myself. What part of not being a Papist don’t you understand. Don’t you just hate it when your argument falls apart !

                • RightThinkingMan

                  How may innocent boys and girls have to be sexually assaulted by the Christian Papist Priests? Remember those Christians are equal opportunity buggerers! Wait iuntil it happens to your kids!

                • WTF

                  Listen, you jihad-joining apologist, you don’t just border on insanity, but fell face first into it.

                • WTF

                  Another Papist rant !

                • Cyril Sneer

                  You should see a doctor no better still, see a vet and get yourself put down.

                • RightThinkingMan

                  Oh – err – bitter at life, are we?

              • WTF

                Just go to the Vatican and seek a hearing with the Pope to make your case. You’re getting very repetitive and boring here over your papist rants, anyone would think you hate all Catholics. Perhaps I’ll report you and see what happens !

                • RightThinkingMan

                  Anyone would think you hate all Muslims. Perhaps I’ll report you. I mean who in their right mind defends the decades of Christian rape of children

                • WTF

                  You would say that to try and wriggle out of your untenable position but I’ve made my position very clear, I condemn all rape of any one even if they don’t call it rape in Islam. You on the other hand have condemned Catholic priests but are unconcerned about some Muslim men following their scriptures to the letter, I think we call it rape, what do you call it ?

                • RightThinkingMan

                  Do you think the Christian priests learnt to rape children at the Seminary? Part of Scriptural class? With their Hail Marie’s? Or was part of the theology class. FYI – of course I condemn all men who rape. Unlike you, though I don’t extrapolate from individuals to groups unlike a nasty bigot like you. Apart from Spectator readers that is – all fat, all white, all dim, all powerless, all middle mgmt types and above all else cowards, yellow cowards. Basically the EDL with cheap degrees. I will be doing a Mr Doyle on them. Watch out, cowards, and now back to the FT where the people who run the world chat.

                • WTF

                  Your problem is you don’t think, but socioislamofascist like you were never endowed with that skill and all they can do is repeat over and over the same diatribe of absolute cr**, but hey you better leave now, the village called and they want their idiot back.

                • Cyril Sneer

                  Thanks for admitting you lost the argument.

                  :)

              • Jaime_the_Scribe

                Ever thought of getting some sort of psychiatric treatment? Because reading some of the absolute stream of hogwash you’ve just written seriously deems you as ‘not of this planet’.

                Your intense bigotry (and cheers for trying to play the racist card and failing) is unbelievable. But as long as the bigotry is directed at white, western, right-wing thinkers, then that is acceptable in your mind. Sorry, it isn’t.

                Apologists like you are clearly the issue and you are everything that is wrong in our world. You are exceptionally selective in your attacks and you continually turn a blind eye to the real crux of the problems.

                Sorry, you’ve really crossed into the area where I don’t see anymore contact with you as a viable source of debate. You really are unbelievable.

                • WTF

                  I think he might be that Leon Wolfson nut-job as he ranted & posted similar persecution cr** and went off at different tangents all the time. Thank goodness he’s only here in a ‘virtual’ capacity as face to face, I’d be a bit scared he might attack for no reason. People like him can go unstable over the slightest comment and it could be frightening if its up close and personal.

                • Jaime_the_Scribe

                  Unfortuneately, the internet gives them a virtual life. I’m done with him.

                • RightThinkingMan

                  The defence of the mentally infirm! Moi – intense bigotry! Coming from Spectator reader spouting stuff about Muslims, when I point out the numerous children raped by white Christian men repeatedly (like you). Check the wiki page – some of these kids were 3 years old. And you don’t even apologise for the rape of children by your co-religionists. Very, very mealy mouthed. Remember no one cares what apologists for Christian child rape think

                • Cyril Sneer

                  Your name isn’t Barry/Yvonne Hargreaves by any chance?

                  If it isn’t, it should be.

                • Cyril Sneer

                  He is the standard for the dying regressive left.

          • WTF

            God fearing Christians, Papist, you missed your time as you should have lived in the Tudor period.

            Only 48% of British people claim to be religious of which the majority are non practicing Christians. Even Hindus like my close neigbour was similar to me and attended his place of worship for weddings and the like. The ONLY religious group in the west who are 100% practicing are Muslims.

            Better add Christian Religious Baiter to your other ‘desirable’ attributes, NOT !

            • RightThinkingMan

              Oh – Bush not a Christian?! Fancy that! He is 100% practising as is Blair. Question for you – did Jesus actually encourage the rape of Children or is that something the Catholics came up with themselves?

              • WTF

                I think your losing it like others of your ilk. You’re no longer replying to the posts but going off at tangents and seem to have the same mental issues as that Leon guy who pops up from time to time. This obsession you have about Christian rapes and the Papacy are signs that you need help and counseling. I suggest you seek it soon.

              • Cyril Sneer

                Always the same tired out discredited sh t from you lot.

                You define one trick pony.

        • Cyril Sneer

          Well said.

      • WTF

        500,000 dead Syrians and counting in 4 years and still continuing ! Did I-Spy Blair or Bush, naw, its just others imagination !

      • Cyril Sneer

        Hahahaaha!

        On your profile you have 107 comments and 1 vote.

        I bet that 1 vote was you voting yourself up.

  • Snowmuncher

    I love the term “Doylephobia”. I will use it at every suitable opportunity when debating with a victimhood liberal histrionically virtue signalling, indispersed with spitting out fallacious claims of racism, xenophobia, bigotry et al

  • OmnipotentWizard

    I confronted a white man yesterday in Croydon. I asked him to
    explain Jimmy Savile. He said “Nothing to do with me”. A mealy mouthed
    reply.

    • The Reincarnated Sausage

      Very droll….not

      This is an issue about free speech, not a defense of dumb people saying dumb things

      • red2black

        Unfortunately, it often amounts to the same thing.

        • OmnipotentWizard

          Where there is a great deal of free speech there is always a certain amount of foolish speech. (Winston Churchill)

          And it is my job to poke fun at it.

          • Snipkokken Balsov

            Unpaid work, I presume.

            • OmnipotentWizard

              Hobby.

              • Snipkokken Balsov

                I’ll do my very best to keep your hobby interesting, by continuing to prove Mr. Churchill’s point. (Which is my hobby).

                • OmnipotentWizard

                  And of course the other one that applies to many on here is:

                  A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject. (Winston Churchill)

                • Snipkokken Balsov

                  I’m sure that both of Churchill’s statements apply to any site that either of us mostly disagree with.
                  I would point out, however, that sites on the progressive/left, like CIF are increasingly disabling the comments.

                • OmnipotentWizard

                  I’ve been banned from both the Daily Mail & Daily Express for pointing out to UKIPpers that they are going to lose the referendum.

                  So much for free speech.

                • RightThinkingMan

                  Me too!

                • WTF

                  That goes for you too unless LimpWizard is your alto-ego !

                • WTF

                  They don’t ban posters for posting facts, they ban people for hate posts and it sounds like you excelled in that area. Of course, many like myself who post facts with URL’s get banned from the bankrupt Guardian for raising inconvenient truths. Perhaps if you’d spent more time post facts and URLs on the Mail & Express, you wouldn’t have been kicked off.

                  Its a shame they don’t kick waste of space like you off this web site for all the bias and bile you post, although it would spoil our fun making you look a fool over what you write.

          • nicnac

            Judging by your posts on this thread you’d better get busy poking fun at yourself.

            • OmnipotentWizard

              That doesn’t make a lick o’ sense fella.

          • WTF

            Sadly for you, most of it back fires as you’re long on rhetoric but short on facts !

      • OmnipotentWizard

        I agree it is a matter of free speech but there are lots of the normal twerps commenting on here and I do like to poke fun at them.

    • edithgrove

      Maybe he didn’t work for the BBC

    • nicnac

      This one’s been flogged to death. Can’t you come up with something original? It doesn’t even work since comparing ‘white man’ to ‘muslim’ is comparing two quite different things: muslims have a choice, white men don’t.

      • red2black

        Mr Doyle just had to do it. He had no choice.

      • OmnipotentWizard

        Touched a raw nerve did I?

        • nicnac

          You’re delusional.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            I confronted a Pegida member yesterday. I asked him to explain Anders Breivik. He said “Nothing to do with me”. A mealy mouthed reply.

            • RightThinkingMan

              Well said!

            • Penny

              But the issue is not that Doyle said something crass and unworthy – it’s that the Twittermob descended and the man was arrested. Can you honestly say that, had you gone up to a Pegida member, asked him to explain Breivik and then Tweeted your actions, you’d expect the police to knock on your door?

              • OmnipotentWizard

                It was an over-reaction and the bigot Doyle will now try to make a big thing of it by suing the police.

                • WTF

                  Lets hope he gets a good settlement and sets a legal precedent to put plod in their place.

            • Cyril Sneer

              Do you think you should be arrested for doing that?

              This is the whole of point of the discussion.

              • OmnipotentWizard

                No. But Doyle should be mercilessly ridiculed by all right thinking people – and that is what I’m doing.

              • OmnipotentWizard

                No – but Doyle should be ridiculed by every rational person and this is what I’m doing.

          • WTF

            My goodness, two nut-jobs at a time now !

        • Cyril Sneer

          No, he feels sorry for you. We all do.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            Wizard Rule 58: If you have nothing to add then add nothing.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            Wizard Rule 58: If you have nothing to add then add nothing.

      • RightThinkingMan

        So – who cares – if he was white or not. You don’t get to decide! Anders Brevik is white and so are you – so I am going to extrapolate from him to you. After all, I decide what characteristics I am going to choose – explain Brevik.

    • Anna Bananahammok

      Try asking a brown man in Rotherham.

      • OmnipotentWizard

        Or possibly a white man in Bedfordshire:

        A gang of paedophiles, described as “evil beyond rational understanding”, has been sentenced to a total of 107 years, with a minimum of 78 years in prison. Robin Hollyson, 30, from Bedfordshire, Christopher Knight, 35, from Manchester, Adam Toms, 33, from Somerset, Matthew Standfield, 34, from Hampshire, John Denham, 50, from Wiltshire, David Harsley, 51, from Hull and Matthew Lisk, 32, from East Sussex were convicted of more than 30 charges between them. The offences included rape, sexual assault, conspiracy to rape, conspiracy to sexually assault a child under 13 and making and sharing indecent images of children. Three of the men – Hollyson, Toms and Knight all admitted to raping a baby. (SkyNews 11/09/2015)

        • RightThinkingMan

          Well said – funny how this never impinges on the bigots brain! As if the only paedos are muslim or brown?

          • Penny

            Why do you find this so difficult to comprehend, RTM? No one is suggesting that the crimes of rape, paedophilia or any other sexually motivated crime are not carried out by people of all races, colours and creeds. Of course they are. No one is denying that the Roman Catholic church was up to its eyeballs in sexual abuse scandal. No one is denying that individual / gangs of white men perpetrate vile sexual crimes. How can this be denied?

            The difference between the examples above and Rotherham is that those with the ability to protect the under-aged girls did nothing about it because they feared being labelled “racist” or an “Islamophobe”. Thus, we were in a situation whereby it was clearly worse in their eyes to be thought a racist/islamophobe than to protect under age girls fromn repeated sexual abuse by organised gangs.

            The emphasis is not on the race, colour or creed of the criminal – it is on the police and the state of affairs we are in vis-a-vis fear of racism/Islamophobia – or any of the other “isms” that paralyse common sense and right action

            • RightThinkingMan

              What do you find so difficult to comprehend. The Christian church over decades allowed the rape of children. Let that sink in! Christains raping little children. And the police did nothing and were fobbed off for being feared labelled “Papist”. This was the wholesale, systematic,endemic widespread, done over decades, across lots of countries, rape of children. It was thought worse to be labelled “Papist” than to protect the RAPE (there RAPE, you do understand what rape is) of CHILDREN. There was repeated rape of girls and boys by organised gangs of Christian priests – FYI – the mumbo jumbo beleivers of this sect would have you believe it is a religion of peace. Tell that to the children raped by the Christian priests. As ever, the emphasis is on the police and the state of affair we are in vis a vis the fear of taking on the Roman papists.
              What part of wholesale repeated rape by Christians do you fail to understand?

              • Penny

                Sigh. I’m beginning to think you are simply trolling.

                • RightThinkingMan

                  Not at all! I just don’t like Christian child rapists? Or does their religion make it acceptable? Don’t know, you tell me, Penny? How many children does it take for a Christian church to rape before it becomes unacceptable? 20? 30? 100? 10,000? Whats the magic number, Penny? I notice you haven’t apologised for the wholesale systematic rape by Christians of children. It is, how shall I put, very mealy mouthed. Those are the words I need. Time to apologise, Penny!

                • WTF

                  You’re a racist, pure and simple.

                • RightThinkingMan

                  As usual! Point out Christian child rape and you are a racist?! Is there something in Christian churches that encourages child rape? I should ask the paedos in the Roman Catholic church that! Are you a papist?

                • WTF

                  Perhaps if you’d bothered to read my posts you’d see I condemn ALL pedophiles no matter whether religious or not or whatever religion they are. Not only that, I’m agnostic / atheist and have no religious affiliations and Papist I’m not. Quite why you have this obsession about papacy makes me wonder were you abused as a young boy or was it the other way around ?

                  We all know about some individual priests who sexually molested young boys in the Catholic faith as its well documented and condemned but as you’ve claimed previously to know a lot about Islam, perhaps you can tell us here why some Muslims prefer this group gang rape thing on underage girls. Is it something to do with their prophets example on 7 year olds and sexual slaves or something else ? Come on now, don’t be shy as you claim to be rightthinkingman so you must have an opinion !

                • RightThinkingMan

                  Some Papists ! Some! Some! What is strange about you is that Catholic rape is acceptable but Muslim is not? How truly Bizarre?! Some individual priests – my god! you only let them off because they are white, middle aged and a bit dim. Like you. The papists were raping 3 year olds – but that’s fine by you – “some individual priests”. . Christian paedos raping 3 years olds. And then cover up after cover up! Oh dear, its amazing what people like you will look over – but will you call for the expulsion of the papacy from these shores. No. Just silence. White Christian men can rape three year olds. Fine by you

                • WTF

                  I get it now, you are Leon Wolfeson under a new moniker ! He was a fruit cake of the 1st order and you certainly are judging by your posts. If you’re not him, you must be related and this mental disability must run in the family and be hereditary.

                  The papists this, the papist that, yes we all know about it as you’ve told us 1000 times already and its ancient history, how about debating whats happening today.

                  The only thing I’ll be calling for is equal application of the law no matter what religion (or not) you are, vetting of all wishing to immigrate into the country and for you to be put somewhere where you can’t harm yourself (or others) as you’re clearly very disturbed. Perhaps that Wizard guy who posts here created a Harry Potter ‘dementer’ and overdid it and you were the result !

                • RightThinkingMan

                  As are you! You just defend the rape of children by your Christian co-religionists – shameful, and vile – but that’s you!

                • WTF

                  Of course he is.

              • WTF

                Ancient history but lets look at todays issues or would you rather live in the past !

                • RightThinkingMan

                  Oh err! child rape is the “past” – tell that to the children raped by Christian priests. Go on, tell them – “Don’t worry, dear, the fact you were raped by Christian priests – well its the past”. Good to know, that you are an apologist for the rape of children by your christian co-religionists

                • WTF

                  Unfortunately we can’t take back the past but there’s no excuse to be like you condoning current gang rapes and sexual attacks by Muslims against Christians.

                  Unfortunately for you, your lame equivalence doesn’t stand up to scrutiny anyway as the Catholic church has condemned and apologized for its pedophile activities unlike Islams pedophiles but its quite understandable as rape isn’t a word and can’t exist in their teachings, so it can never happen. That’s the perfect defense for raping non Muslim children and you appear to support this get out clause.

                • Cyril Sneer

                  So what you’re saying is the you condone the mass rape of children by muslims.

                • RightThinkingMan

                  As ever, totally missing the point! Presumably you are Roman Catholic and hence condone the mass rape by Catholic priests of thousands of children? As ever, one angry middle class white man ignoring mass rape. Mealy mouthed.

            • WTF

              He’s ‘WrongNonThinkingMan’, you can’t expect anything else from a bigot !

            • Cyril Sneer

              Excellent post!

              • Penny

                Thank you:-)

          • WTF

            They come in all colours but the penalties are definitely racially ‘adjusted’ – see above !

          • Cyril Sneer

            I see the standard lefty delusions still haven’t changed.

            Whilst the lefty mong defends muzzie pedos simply because they’re dark skinned, those of us on the right are suitably appalled at the sexual abuse of children full stop.

            You see that is the difference between you on the regressive left and us – we’re human, you’re not.

            • RightThinkingMan

              Ha – human – give me a break ! As ever the nasty spectator bigot ignores mass child rape by children by Christians – funny how that isn’t the focus of a Spectator article. But then the Spectator is for those funny little white angry middle class man whose views don’t matter.

        • WTF

          And rightly so, they got off light with 107 years between 7 of them, that’s 15 years apiece and I believe they should have got 25 years a piece.

          Meanwhile, over in the Islamic corner with Rotherham –

          In 2010, eight men were tried at Sheffield Crown Court for a series of gang rapes against young girls. Zafran Ramzan was convicted of rape and two charges of sexual activity with a child and sentenced to nine years imprisonment. Razwan Razaq, convicted of two charges of sexual activity with a child was sentenced to eleven years. Umar Razaq for sexual activity with a child was sentenced to 4.5 years, Adil Hussain and Mohsin Khan both for sexual activity with a child received 4 years.

          Thats 32 years for the 5 of them, or 6 years a piece.

          So what do we have, similar sexual abuse of underage kids, white guys get average of 15 years, Muslim guys get average of 6 years. They should all have got 25 years !

          Is there something wrong with this picture ?

      • RightThinkingMan

        Ask me this – and believe me you would feel the Force. But then again – you are armchair bigot.

        • Cyril Sneer

          Did you go to school?

          • RightThinkingMan

            Wow – I went to Oxbridge (google it). You know the place where people who tell you what to do, went

    • ColTPride

      Why on earth do you think that a random white man in Croydon works for the BBC. The odds that he does must be minuscule. Absurd analogy.

    • WTF

      Fair response and no different than that Muslim woman.

    • Cyril Sneer

      So do you think you should be arrested for doing that?

      • OmnipotentWizard

        Trying to put words into my mouth so your can criticise me for (not) saying them is just a little childish.

      • OmnipotentWizard

        Wizard Rule 64: A rude response is no substitute for a sound argument.

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