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There’s nothing patriotic about William Blake’s Jerusalem

14 January 2016

12:28 PM

14 January 2016

12:28 PM

In this week’s diary, Tristram Hunt puts his money behind Jerusalem as a new English National Anthem. ‘God Save the Queen’ isn’t going anywhere as the United Kingdom’s theme, but there’s room for a local melody when Team England take to the field (as the MP Toby Perkins pointed out, it’s hard to square English rugby fans singing ‘God Save The Queen’ as we face off against the Welsh). But Tristram, for the love of the Holy Lamb of God, please don’t let it be Jerusalem.

The truth about Jerusalem is that it isn’t a patriotic poem at all. Parry’s music gives the hymn an upbeat tempo – especially with the booming orchestration by Edward Elgar – but William Blake’s original words are as laced with resentful irony as Shostakovich’s Leningrad symphony. Famously, Blake asks four questions in succession, and the answer to each is a resounding no. Christ’s feet never trod in England; the Lamb of God didn’t gambol – preposterous as the image is – around the Cotswolds; the Holy Spirit wasn’t regularly spotted in London fog; and most directly of all, there was no sense of Jerusalem in the dark Satanic mills of the Industrial Age. The consequent fantasy of building a New Jerusalem in England is widely understood by anyone who studies Blake to be a stonking parody of Napoleonic Era nationalism. Even in 1804, no one sung and danced about their own ‘mental fight’ and expected to be taken seriously.

Instead, Jerusalem encapsulates Blake’s fears about the all-too-easy suppression of the individual spirit. The ‘Satanic mills’ may refer to the Albion Flour Mills, large-scale mills near Blake’s home which were burned down anonymously after they threatened to put smaller millers out of business. (So, Jerusalem as an anthem would celebrate anti-capitalist arson. Which makes us virtually French.) But when Blake wrote about ‘mills’ elsewhere he usually used them as a metaphor for institutionalised religion – which, like Marx after him, he considered the natural ally of capitalism and monarchy. (He was wrong, of course, but that’s another fight for another day).

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Consider Blake’s apocalyptic vision, Vala. On nine successive nights, Blake dreams that the universe unravels: on the ninth, superstition (Mystery) is lifted from the earth. ‘Art thou she that made the nations drunk with the cup of Religion?’ declares the spirit Tharmas. ‘Go down, ye Kings and Counsellors and Giant Warriors…Go down with horse and Chariots and Trumpets of hoarse war… Let the slave, grinding at the mill, run out into the field. Let him look up into the heavens and laugh in the bright air.’ Religion, War, Kings and Mills = bad; bright air and sunshine = good. After all, Blake, who was charged with sedition in 1803, was the non-conformist son of English Dissenters. He had little time, too, for the Glastonbury myths of St Joseph of Arimathea which permeate the verse. Instead, Blake satirised, rather than shared, the quasi-religious nationalism of his contemporaries. There’d be a heavy irony in the Queen’s modern subjects appropriating his words to swear loyalty to a collective cause.

I’m less convinced than Blake that there’s anything wrong with the gentler forms of nationalism, per se. When the Telegraph’s Tim Stanley debated this with me on Sky News yesterday, Tim argued that English nationalism is a destructive force, that rise of differing national symbolisms heralds a Balkanistic breakup of the Union. That’s overly pessimistic: a certain pride in Englishness should reassure us that the Celts aren’t the only Britons with an interesting history. It subverts the narrative which presents England as a soggy bland mass, against which ‘subaltern’ cultures proudly define themselves. It’s harder to hate your Sassanach oppressors when they’ve got an upbeat soundtrack.

But please, not Blake. He’d turn in his grave to know that English rugby fans already wave St George’s flag along to his words. Other prominent options are tricky, too. Swing Low, Sweet Chariot, is already sung by rugby fans, but is abstract and overly religious. So is I Vow To Thee, My Country – which even harps on unpatriotically about England not being as pure as Heaven. Land of Hope and Glory is closely associated with the genocidal Cecil Rhodes, and singing about the need to push our national boundaries ‘wider and wider’ seems a little distasteful nowadays. But there’s always Ivor Novello’s Rose of England, which celebrates the rose’s truly English ability to blossom in rainy showers. Like the best patriotic songs, it brings back memories of British bravery during the Blitz of World War II, and it doesn’t have any dodgy references to Empire, either.

England football fans may feel they’re used to God Save the Queen. But as the historian Oskar Cox Jensen points out, the anthem is not even three hundred years old, which only counts as traditional if you’re American. It’s not very fair on republicans, either. You can’t reasonably implore God to confound the politics of the monarch’s enemies while you’re up to your own knavish tricks to cut the Civil List – or if you’re Prince Charles. For monarchist, republican and rebellious heir alike, Rule Britannia is much more fun. And like God Save the Queen, it actually emerged as a dissenters’ song, asserting a vision of liberty despite the worst efforts of George II. (‘Thee haughty tyrants ne’er shall tame / All their attempts to bend thee down / Will but arouse thy generous flame.’) Even the exhortation to ‘Rule the Waves’ is less aggressive than it is defensive – if you’re an island nation, you ruddy well should rule your own coastguard. The trigger-word, ‘empire’, is never once uttered.

‘Britannia’, of course, prohibits it from serving as a solely English anthem. And the role of UK National Anthem isn’t up for grabs. But like it or loathe it, God Save The Queen isn’t enshrined in any law. Like the best of British traditions, it’s an unwritten custom. So likewise, an English anthem won’t need Toby Perkins MP, or anyone else, to enforce it. All it needs is a few lusty sports fans to pick a song, and start bellowing. They could even make like the Irish rugby team, and commission a new one. Just please don’t make it Jerusalem.

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  • Ipsmick

    It’s a perfectly patriotic poem – just that Blake’s England wasn’t necessary Pitt’s. Which is why it’s impossible to speak of ‘Englishness’, let alone English nationalism. This is a country completely divided according to class, region of origin, local culture. It’s comprised of hundreds of thousands of dissimilar tribes. I’d imagine that clever Whykehamists consider themselves to inhabit a superior kind of universe to Harrovians, and can see few similarities between the bohos of King’s Heath and the yummy mummies of Solihull. Where’s the common ground between a Guardian and a Sun reader? What would a member of the Middlesborough underclass and Jacob Rees-Mogg find to talk about?

    • jeremy Morfey

      Actually you make its point perfectly. England’s geology must have as many different types of rock in one island as anywhere on Earth. Where else can you have White Derbyshire and Black Derbyshire, and not be referring to ethnic composition?

      I once said of the English that they are defined by their counties, and I will say I was born in Middlesex, raised in Surrey and live in Worcestershire; it is less important to my identity that they are all in England. England is a hotchpotch of many dissimilar tribes and always has been. A meeting point of cultures and civilisations under one roof.

      But so too wasn’t Jerusalem?

  • Tim

    You’ve missed the point about Jerusalem. The “dark satanic mills” have nothing to do with the Industrial Revolution or factories – Blake had never seen these and he was resolutely urban, not looking for a bucolic utopia like many of his disciples, for example Samuel Palmer. They are mills as in “cogs”, and are the mills of the Lockean/Newtonian clockwork universe where cause relentlessly follows effect and free will is precluded. Jerusalem is the poetic imagination, the divine light, which lies outside the natural universe. This idea runs throughout Blake’s work, and in fact he despised “naturalism”, i.e. the idea that the divine was manifested in physical reality, as practised by the Baptists for example.
    There’s a beautiful irony in the way this piece has been misinterpreted and attached to an establishment that largely rejected Blake during his lifetime, and a largely middle class view of the countryside. I’m sure Blake – who happened to be a very good friend of my great great great grandfather and bounced my great great grandfather on his knee while singing him the Tyger – would laugh heartily at it.

  • polidorisghost

    No one said being a liberal was a soft billet Kate

  • jeremy Morfey

    I like William Blake, who is a far more visionary poet than Kate Maltby, who seems lacking in imagination.

    Blake’s Jerusalem was never about boasting about our greatness, nor about resting on our laurels. The first verse leads to the second, which is a striving for greater things, and the duty of the English to make their country as great as anything encountered in ancient times.

    It is a splendid anthem.

  • freddiethegreat

    Tell you what, Britisher pals: We’ll swap any of your anthems or proto-anthems for the childish drivel we pretend is a national anthem.

  • Grumpy

    Wow! I just thought that it was a jolly good tune.

  • cmflynn

    I thought the dark satanic mills in Blake’s mind were Stonehenge. Avebury etc. Has there been some new research?

  • John P Hughes

    What about dumping the British version of ‘My country ’tis of thee’ and leave the dirge-like tune to the Americans? We should look for a new national anthem and leave them that one.
    In fact ‘My country ’tis of thee’ has according to wikipedia no less than eleven verses written at various times, and some are much better than the dreary lines of ‘God Save the Queen’. See:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Country,_%27Tis_of_Thee

  • eyeswideopen

    If England is to have its own anthem, there truly can only be one reasonable step forward and that is to commission a new anthem for England. Any nineteenth century poetry, with its sentimental Victorian evocations of the country’s glories, will be tainted with associations of dominance of ‘lesser’ mortals. The population of England currently is hugely changed from that of a hundred and fifty years ago. At all costs it must not be something which would pander to the base instincts of little Englanders or far right political parties. It should be remembered that Elgar himself disapproved of the words added to his Pomp and Circumstance March.

  • Frederick Bee

    I agree totally with the final point of the article. Parliament did not give an anthem to the Scots or the Welsh: those songs simply emerged from popular use, as did “God Save the King/Queen.” We don’t need politicians sticking their oars in. If England supporters choose to sing “Jerusalem,” fine. If they choose to sing “God Save the Queen,” since they constitute 84% of the UK, equally fine. No need for politicians to intervene.

  • Raddiy

    So it shouldn’t be overtly religious, and English nationalism is a destructive force, and it shouldn’t have any link with empire.

    I would humbly suggest that as you, Tim Stanley and others who would wish to marginalise and evicerate the concept of Englishness, then it is exactly the sort of English anthem we want.

    As a matter of interest how is English nationalism destructive?

    Only in the minds of the media useful idiots and the liberal establishment I would suggest, who have spent the last 60 years trying to consign England to the dustbin of history. The problem you have is the people will not let you do it, they are proud of England, and Jerusalem evokes that pride, and I would suggest the best use of this long winded verbiage, would be hanging it on a nail on the back of the toilet door.

  • cartimandua

    How about Rule Britannia then.

  • Charlie Angel

    I utterly adore Jerusalem as without fail it lifts my spirits in an instant feeling of euphoria…..

    But I do recognise that this is very likely due to the totally subjective reason that it was always the hymn we sang at assembly on the last day of term. I can’t hear those first few stirring bars without wanting to run outside into the sweet air of freedom.

    Which come to think about, is an emotion that I suppose – in my case at least – makes it a rather apt contender for an anthem…

  • DavidL

    Hold on. The Welsh and the Scots have decided they would prefer to sing their own songs instead of singing the national anthem. Why do we have to follow suit? Stick with the anthem.

  • http://www.ukipforbritain.co.uk/ ukipforbritainwebsite

    I thought the writer didn’t understand Jerusalem at all. It’s a mystical poem based on Blake’s insight – it doesn’t have the limitations she ascribes to it.

  • Dominic Stockford

    Nothing wrong with the current one, she is after all, primarily the Queen of England. If we must change, maybe we could vow to our country? That would put a few noses out of joint, as well as encouraging others to support it.

  • Patrick_Heren

    Of course those feet in ancient time walked upon England’s mountains green. In the Mendips it is still said “As sure as the Lord walked at Priddy.” The theory, should we need one, is that during the undocumented 18 years between Jesus being found by his parents disputing with the rabbis in the temple and the beginning of his ministry aged 30, he travelled to Britain with family friend Joseph of Arimathea, a Phoenician trader buying west country tin and lead. And Joseph, of course, returned to Britain some time after the Resurrection, landing on Wearyall Hill, Glastonbury, and planting his staff, which flowered as the first Glastonbury thorn.

  • simon

    How about a David Bowie song as the National Anthem? Changes“Five Years` `1984` `Station to Station` `Fashion` all seem very appropriate for 2016

  • Mr Marginalia

    You confuse patriotism with accepting and praising everything about the current state of one’s country. It is instead a care or love for one’s country that can easily accommodate scathing criticism of its institutions; in fact, sincerely taking up such an attack often requires patriotism.

    Jerusalem is a poem of patriotic ambition to change England for the better. Of course, Blake’s desires are unattainable nowadays and so it could be argued to be ill-fitting as a national anthem, but to say it lacks patriotism is completely untrue.

    “Land of Hope and Glory” could easily suffice, regardless of your concerns about the “genocidal” (clearly pandering to recent “outrage” against his image) association of Cecil Rhodes

    • The Masked Marvel

      *SFX: Sound of hitting nail on head

      • freddiethegreat

        “Maltby: D’oh!”

  • Mynydd

    What are these sins the Queen has committed, such that the whole country must ask in song, God Save The Queen, again for what.

    • Dominic Stockford

      ‘All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God’ says the Bible, which Her Majesty is very partial to reading and following.

  • Duckworth Keats

    Who cares about the meaning of Jerusalem’s words? They rhyme, scan and accompany a thumping good tune. That’s all that matters.

    • jeremy Morfey

      Actually the difference in scan between the first and second verses presented Hubert Parry with some challenges, which he executed brilliantly.

      • Duckworth Keats

        Exactly.

  • JSC

    If we get Jerusalem I’m moving to Scotland! I’d rather have Rule Britannia, with extra marmalade and jam if you please. Britannia dates from Roman times and actually isn’t synonymous with Britain as it doesn’t include Scotland (or Caledonia) as the Romans never managed to conquer it.

    • Mary Ann

      I would rather move to Wales,they have a better song.

    • Postscript

      Well it certainly included Scotland when the words were written – by a Scotsman – in the 18th century. That, of course, was in the days when Scots were the real enthusiasts for the Union and the notion of Britain, centuries before Scottish nationalism was dreamt up by a bunch of tweedy, 1930s, fascist-sympathising Anglo-Scots.

      • ChuckieStane

        Rule Britannia was indeed written by a Scotsman and it is
        undoubtedly true that Scots bought into the whole concept of Britishness more
        than the English. Yet at the time when
        Scots built and ran much of the Empire and wholeheartedly embraced Britishness,
        they also remaining fiercely Scottish.

        The English never got the concept of Britishness to the same
        extent, happy to see England, Britain and the UK as interchangeable terms. Scotland commonly adopted “North British” as
        an everyday term – I have never seen an equivalent reference to “South Britain”.

        At its inception and since, the unified state failed to
        adequately address the national identify question satisfactorily. As the
        common goal of the Empire disappeared and the unifying national bodies were
        dismantled, the Union then started crumbling.

        Much of the commentary this week over anthems has suggested
        England having her own anthem would weaken the Union and antagonise the
        Scots. On the contrary implying that
        England and the UK are the same thing automatically implies that Scotland is
        not part of the Union.

  • Augustus

    As regards ‘the individual spirit’ or feeling of the promenaders in this rendition of the two, the second appears to evoke the most:

    Jerusalem and God save the Queen
    -Last night of the Proms 2012

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=041nXAAn714

  • The Masked Marvel

    How about having an English Parliament decide on the English national anthem? Oh, hang on….

  • RavenRandom

    No to Jerusalem, too religious and too foreign.

    Yes to this from Shakespeare… with or without a tune:

    This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle,
    This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
    This other Eden, demi-paradise,
    This fortress built by Nature for herself
    Against infection and the hand of war,
    This happy breed of men, this little world,
    This precious stone set in the silver sea,
    Which serves it in the office of a wall
    Or as a moat defensive to a house,
    Against the envy of less happier lands,
    This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England.

    • Mary Ann

      Bit isolationist for the 21st Century.

      • RavenRandom

        So… too national for a national anthem.

        • http://owsblog.blogspot.com Span Ows

          LOL

    • Dominic Stockford

      But the ‘Isle’ isn’t solely England…

      • http://owsblog.blogspot.com Span Ows

        yes but the other bits wish they were 🙂

  • JabbaTheCat

    God Save Brenda is long past its sell by date and a replacement is long overdue…

    • Dominic Stockford

      And when he comes to the throne it’ll be ‘God save the King’, happy now?

      • JabbaTheCat

        I’m a republican and would like to see the monarchy abolished…

        • Dominic Stockford

          “President Blair”, or maybe “President Major”. So much better than a monarchy. No. Of course it isn’t.

          • john

            Brilliant rejoinder! Let’s list everyone we wouldn’t vote for. Maybe someone can explain the concept of an election and how it reflects people’s wishes.

          • JabbaTheCat

            Of course it’s better to have a president, you can kick him/her out via the ballot box. When did we vote in the Windsor plc trougher’s, must’ve blinked and missed it…

  • grutchyngfysch

    Agree with a lot here – wouldn’t argue with Blake’s intended meaning for the song, nor the dissenting tenor of its lyrics. But there’s the author’s view, and there’s how the song has been received through history. Jerusalem‘s popularity as a song emerged from the interwar period (the poem being republished in response to the First World War), but it was, I’d argue, the Second World War which cemented it.

    The lyrics which betokened cynicism amidst the “golden” smog-clad years of industrial expansion came to be something very different when the smoke rising was from Luftwaffe bombs. In that context, Blake’s irony was a source of hope: the questions to which the answers were “no” were not a means to point out the darkness – which was apparent to everyone. The words became inverted, and the irrational, mythologised “Green and Pleasant Lands” that were nowhere to be seen in actuality were transformed into the thing everyone was fighting to protect and restore.

    When the 1945 election rolled around, candidates quoted from it liberally. Why? Because it’s what everyone understood had been at stake: the struggle to see Jerusalem saved from the armies of darkness encamped around it, and the voices within it that said no pleasant land was possible.

    It’s the same for I Vow to Thee My Country (another song with a fascinating history): the unflattering comparison of the country (and jingoistic sacrifice) in the first verse with the second’s Kingdom of Heaven doesn’t make it harder to be willing to serve one’s nation, it makes it possible for the sake of something greater than England to be willing to serve it.

  • MC

    A moving poem, patriotic yet typical English style rebelliousness in nature, it is the anthem to unite and spur us on.

  • MichtyMe

    I will be surprised if there is not a big demand from many of the regulars at this place for the Flanders & Swan “The English, The English, the English are best I wouldn’t give tuppence for any of the rest.”

  • Barakzai

    It’s patriotic because the English believe it to be. Ms Maltby might similarly deconstruct Swing Low Sweet Chariots, or Rangers FC supporters parody of Follow Follow, but that wouldn’t alter their tribal significance. ‘Patriotic’ anthems don’t have to be after the fashion of ‘Flower of Scotland’ or Fields of Athenry’, or do they?

    • The Masked Marvel

      Anything too ‘patriotic’ for England would be met with cries of jingoism and racism from media luvvies anyway. The BBC would have to hold a series of internal meetings to figure out whether or not they should allow it to be heard on air outside of a deeply worrisome Panorama special with ominous background music.

  • Ivan Ewan

    “I Vow To Thee” isn’t unpatriotic… just because it acknowledges that England isn’t literally Heaven. England isn’t literally Heaven. It’s just a bit closer to it than most of Earth.

    “Jerusalem” though… no, I’m not interested in having an anthem whose theme is “let’s build utopia”. It’s impossible to achieve, and as we’ve seen through recent history, it requires the mass sacrifice of life and liberty to experiment with.

    • Callipygian

      It’s just a bit closer to it than most of Earth.
      That gave me a smile.

  • john

    ‘God Save the Queen’ isn’t going anywhere as the United Kingdom’s theme”

    What on earth does that mean? Comically over-the-top sycophancy toward Mrs Windsor is not a theme any cogent Brit can espouse. Let’s praise the punters not their overlords.

    • Liberanos

      One is certainly demeaned by an anthem which, almost alone in the world, worships an individual instead of a country.

      • MichtyMe

        Best then that it be correctly and appropriately used only as the Royal Anthem in the presence of the head of state and a truly National Anthem for England adopted.

        • john

          Provided that such Head of State has been elected by the punters.
          Oh wait, we wouldn’t want a Royal Anthem then,

          • jennybloggs

            When it comes to electing people the punters have elected some useless specimens.

            • john

              That’s what limited terms are for. Of course, the royals have come up with a slew of losers – Chuck being a case in point and they aren’t chosen by the people and have unlimited terms..

              • jennybloggs

                I am not sure that it is what limited terms are for. More likely that limited terms give an illusion of democracy. These days no party will be elected on more than 25% of the vote. I am coming to think that representative democracy should come to an end. We need I think MPs who represent our views and proportional representation.

                • john

                  It’s one purpose of limited terms.

                  “I am coming to think that representative democracy should come to an end”. Really?????

      • Callipygian

        But it worships the country, if you like, through the individual that represents it. It isn’t ‘personal’. It’s not saying ‘Oh Lilibet, how your eyes do shine, and we don’t mind even if you have a horned helmet for hair…’.

  • The Bellman

    The feet might not have trod, but Christ’s countenance did indeed shine forth upon England, as it continues to do.

    • Ralph

      There are a number of places in the West Country where it is claimed the feet did tread.

      • Wessex Man

        Yes those lying Monks got away with it for years but they’ve been found out now.

        • Ralph

          There’s as much evidence that he did have a stroll on a beach in Devon as that he didn’t so how were they ‘found out’?

          • john

            Another very odd contribution. You are supposed to look for evidence before claiming something.

            • Mary Ann

              If there were any real evidence we would all know about it.

              • hobspawn

                There isn’t much evidence of what Jesus did in his twenties.

                • Callipygian

                  There is much evidence of Jesus!

                • freddiethegreat

                  Alert: Myth propagation by uninformed Callipygian!

                • hobspawn

                  I think you are making a ‘category mistake’ (Ryle). I believe the evidence is all around you. Recognised evidence ⊆ evidence.

              • freddiethegreat

                Like “global warming” and marxist theory, you mean?

            • Ralph

              You disagree that the sources we have for the period aren’t credible and that thus it is unlikely that there is anything to disprove (or prove) the legends?

              • john

                Ralph: Please your argument is silly.
                If we have no credible data, there is no basis for offering the theory. Your use of the word “legend” is about right – but even so a particularly nutty legend.

                • Ralph

                  Without evidence you can’t prove or disprove something, That’s not silly. There is physical evidence of trade between the Levant and southern England during the period so it is unlikely but not impossible.

                • hobspawn

                   “If we have no credible data, there is no basis for offering the theory.”

                  Some theory is put forward for the sake of coherence between existing theories, rather than correspondence between theory and evidence.

              • hobspawn

                …and Dark Flow?

      • john

        Claimed? By what credible source?

        • Ralph

          I don’t think there is such a thing as a credible source at the time.

          • john

            Ralph: You’ve just destroyed the entire Christian religion.

            • http://owsblog.blogspot.com Span Ows

              and any history less than 2000 years old.

        • hobspawn

          Perfectly possible. Travel did not start with Easyjet. We always understimate the ancients, and even the Romans. Prehistoric burial mounds near Stonehenge contain bones of people from quite far away in Europe.

          There’s little evidence for it, sure, but far from impossible.

          • john

            Perhaps he walked on water the entire way?

            • hobspawn

              No mean feet.

        • Grumpy

          Vigiles from Dunoniorum arrested a Judean tin merchant from Arimathea for suspected child abuse. Young Joshua Bar Joseph was reported missing by his mother, Miriam Bat Eli, when he failed to return from an errand to buy some loaves and fishes in Nazareth. The child was traced to the Tin Islands after he was reported to have been seen moving in a mysterious way.

          • john

            I don’t know if this is serious or a joke. It’s a joke either way.

            • Grumpy

              You clearly have not subscribed to the εὐαγγέλιον of the Isca “Helios” (News from the Exeter Sun”.) Back to school for you.

          • http://JohnAllman.UK John Allman

            There’s an M in Dumnoniorum.

            • Grumpy

              Oops! These chisels and stone hammers are a bugger (Pedicabo)

      • The Masked Marvel

        Was that before or after the visit to North American native peoples?

        • Ralph

          Just before Elizabeth I slept there.

    • john

      Christ’s countenance did indeed shine forth upon England
      And your basis for this odd claim is?

      The last member of the CofE has spoken.

      • lookout

        George Muller, of Bristol, Smith – Wigglesworth.

        • Dominic Stockford

          Gosh, an excellent reference to George Muller. Thank you. Nice to see him brought up here.

        • john

          Thanks for introducing this rightly forgotten name. We really need another religious nut. I take it George was there and chatted with JC on the quay side at Portsmouth as he arrived in the UK (or Britannia as it was then called) with a Palestine passport .

          • lookout

            You didn’t check them out did you? You would be astonished, £73 million , in today’s equivalent , given for the support of orphans , all from answered prayer.

            • john

              He may well have done wonderful work but it’s the truth behind JC’s “visit” to England 2000 years ago we’re interested in. Don’t think he has much evidence to offer.

              • lookout

                Fair one, Tarshish seems to include England, that’s as far as I will go on that, after the resurrection the Lord appeared in many places at the same time, the tortured confessions of believers to the Romans confirm this, it’s happening now in Iran.

      • http://www.bewilderingstories.com/bios/thomas_r_bio.html Thomas R

        I thought maybe the person just meant Christ is everywhere or Christ is with believers everywhere or something. Not that England was necessarily uniquely special. (Although as a Catholic we do have a tradition there was an appearance of Mother Mary at, I believe, Walsingham. But I’d guess it likely the Bellman is not Catholic.)

        If one is not Christian this might still sound stupid, but even then I’m reasonably certain England still has stained glass depictions of Christ’s face. The English flag is basically a cross. So I’d guess even from an atheistic perspective you could say Christ is still in your world somewhat, even if just as a cultural heritage. (I’m an American BTW)

        • john

          We’re off topic. The issue is the historical validity of a reputed visit to England by JC 2000 years ago. I am asking for any credible evidence of this event “And did those feet…”. Is there any – No.

          • http://www.bewilderingstories.com/bios/thomas_r_bio.html Thomas R

            Oh. I wasn’t clear if that’s what they meant. Yeah Jesus going to England is not Biblical or anything.

  • quotes

    I agree with the thrust of the piece – Jerusalem intentionally denigrates England – but not the headline. Blake was most certainly patriotic and Jerusalem, even despite the criticisms, is itself a patriotic work. One does not have to blindly adore one’s country to love it. It might have been corrupt and venal and dominated by the landed gentry and the established church, but Blake meant the “pleasant” bit.

    After all, “bright air and sunshine = good”, right?

    • Ade

      “They might be satanic mills, but he’s our Satan, and they’re our mills, so get yer thieving hands off, Johnny Foreigner…”

    • Dominic Stockford

      So its a socialist rant, in fact.

      • Moneycircus

        If you overlook the works and achievements of one of the greatest creative minds that England has ever produced, yes, you might draw your pedestrian conclusion.

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