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If Cameron wants female migrants to learn English, why did he cut ESOL funding?

18 January 2016

6:44 PM

18 January 2016

6:44 PM

David Cameron wants recent migrants to learn English, or face deportation. He argued today that too many women are denied the opportunity to speak English. And who doesn’t want women to have the freedom to learn English and play a full part in society? As an MP who represents one of the most diverse constituencies in Britain, no-one needs to tell me how important it is to engage seriously in a debate about integration. Like the Prime Minister, I want women in Leicester to learn English and in my experience, they and their families want them to learn English too.

The problem is not that Cameron wants women to learn English, but that his own record doesn’t suggest he is able to follow through on this promise. The government has spent the last five years restricting free access to, and cutting budgets for, English for Speakers of Other Languages courses. Two thirds of ESOL learners are women and they have been hit hardest by these changes.

If Cameron visited Leicester, he might meet Nevin who enrolled on an ESOL course because she wanted to find a job and move into paid employment. Hopefully he would meet Khairunissa who, like many before her, came to Leicester via Malawi and found the ESOL classes she attended not only helped her with her English but allowed her to play a full role in society. He might be moved by Fatima, who can speak and write English because of ESOL, telling us that she loves helping her children with their homework.

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In 2011 we pushed the government to publish an Equality Impact Assessment on the ESOL cuts. That report showed clearly that the changes to ESOL would have a greater impact on women, and that a reduction in ESOL provision could leave women isolated within their communities. The same conclusion was reached last summer when the Government announced the sudden and immediate withdrawal of ESOL funding. The Association of Colleges was clear: 16,000 learners across 47 colleges would be affected, with female and ethnic minority learners disproportionately so. Leicester College, a provider in my constituency, saw £1.5 million of ESOL funding removed at a stroke, without any notice, making them the second worst hit college in the country.

While David Cameron talked this morning about additional ESOL funding being used to break down the language barriers which segregate communities, the reality of the situation is very different. Since 2009 the overall Adult Skills budget that funds ESOL has been reduced by 35 percent which has led to a drop in overall ESOL participation by 22 percent since the Tories took power. 80 percent of ESOL providers have seen waiting lists rise to up to 1,000 students.

I cannot see how women like Nevin, Khairunissa and Fatima will be able to integrate into British society if the best opportunity for them to do so has been taken away.

Jon Ashworth is Labour MP for Leicester South

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  • evad666

    Save public money and stop paying for Muslims to learn English, especially when so many of them hate us.

  • Jaria1

    He’s coming very very slowly to realise what the majority of the public have known for a long time that the Muslim problem should have been dealt with some time ago. As a consequence it’s been allowed to grow into a serious threat to good order and integration into the ways or this country.
    It’s well known that many view us and our way of life as distasteful leading to hatred this has been witnessed in their parades and assassination attempts. Why they were allowed to march with the banners about this country and not be arrested and sent back to their traditional homes , whether born in the UK. Or not they are called British by the gvt but not the population.
    Despite polls telling us differently we are told by the gvt . Who rely on their votes that the vast majority are good loyal citizens. If that is the case then that majority should do much more to control their extremist co religionists or maybe these people have been allowed to become too powerful . If they were successful they would not be so unpopular with the population.
    Cameron’s tiptoeing around the problem has brought howls of protests from Muslim leaders . Why !
    The sooner we have a leader with cajones he or she would make the point in such a way that cannot be misunderstood and once again this peaceful majority would lead better lives

  • LittleRedRidingHood

    Because they should learn the basics before they come. Simple.

    • sidor

      They shouldn’t come. Under whatever pretext. Simple.

      If the English tests wouldn’t work, organise the Japanese ones.

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        You what!

  • HJ777

    I’m not sure why it is supposed to be the responsibility of the taxpayer to pay for this.

    If there is demand, the supply of English courses will be there, if people pay. My local FE college offers all sorts of courses but if you want to go on one you now pay the full cost. Why should English courses be an exception?

  • Tom M

    Good grief this political pillock really takes the biscuit.
    What has government funding to do with whether they learn English or not? Can’t any of them help each other, go buy a book or two, perhaps a CD to pass around. Doesn’t any one of them that can speak English have any time whatsoever to run a class an hour or two a week in a spare corner of the local Mosque to teach their poor disadvantaged immigrant brothers and sisters how to prosper in this alien land.

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      Creative thinking, Tom. That said, there is a certain “blind leading the blind” quality about your suggestion.

  • Marvin

    All this spineless knee jerker has to do is ban Sharia divorces and stop Moslem from bringing several wives back from abroad. Because there are men with several wives living in separate houses all on benefits.

  • Eyesee

    I dunno, maybe he pulled the funding because it is no business of government to spend taxpayers money teaching English to people who are otherwise surprised to find that English is spoken here. Who also feel no need to learn the language, so stay in their self selected enclaves and ignore English laws and traditions. If we do not allow the pathetic excuse for a culture that too many guests bring with them, we may better serve ourselves and those who came here to profit. The spongers and criminals (who naturally gravitate to Labour, even more so now) are difficult to turn away if you a) still have to put up with democracy so b) need votes wherever you can get them (legitimately or less so eh, Jon? Tribalism can be so useful). If I went to France, I would learn French (and it wouldn’t cross my mind that someone else should pay for it) because it would be rude not to and I would guess I would get on better.

  • Frank

    As if anybody will be deported – we don’t even remove nationality and deport those who have fought with ISIS. This is yet more distraction politics by Cameron.
    Channel 4 did a programme on immigrants and a large number of immigrants who came for the cotton industry have not worked since they arrived here, in some cases 30 or 40 years ago. That lack of work might be a more equitable basis for deportation.

  • Graeme S

    This is the sort of stupid madness infecting we Brits … a gimmigrant arrives who cannot speak English and the long suffering tax payer has to pay for English classes … R U feking daft

  • Steve Smith

    I agree that immigrants to the country have a responsibility to learn English, just as I would expect to learn the language of any other country that I intended to live in. I’m just puzzled as to why Jon Ashworth thinks it is the responsibility of UK taxpayers to pay for it.

    • Mr Grumpy

      Indeed. I’ve lived in another country whose language I already spoke fluently. If I’d needed lessons I’d have expected to have to make my own arrangements.

      And if Mr Ashworth wants to make the case that state-funded ESOL programmes are a cost-effective investment in getting Muslim women into the workforce he needs to offer something more than anecdotal evidence.

  • MikeH

    Perhaps curbing mass, unfettered immigration from alien cultures into our creaking, overcrowded island would be the most sensible course of action all round.

  • Polly Radical

    Maybe . . . just maybe . . . immigrants should pay for their own English lessons.

    • Liberanos

      You’ll be suggesting their culture should have equal status and respect to ours next!

  • Liberanos

    Since integration with infidels is profoundly un-islamic I think it’s a rather vain hope.

  • Thomas Katz

    The answer is all benefits and services, like healthcare housing etc have to be asked for in person and in English, they’d all learn to speak it overnight!

  • Mr Moo

    I would rather they went home.

  • Mynydd

    Another day, another photo-shoot. why spend a day at your desk working on the collapse of the steel industry, when you can spend it in a Leeds mosque chatting to one man and a woman.

  • anyfool

    Stop the benefits of those who cannot speak English, that would cure most of the problem in double quick time.

  • DANELAW-DUPUYTREN

    Our British children (we go back at least eight generations) recently returned to the UK from Australia were refused a UK government University Fees loan and needed family support to undertake their studies.
    Had they been a Muslim women required to peer through a slit in black cloth……….
    Or Polish, or Lithuanian, Romanian, Bulgarian………………………….
    Or a Somali asylum seeker ……………………….

    Mr. Cameron’s party spurned our approach when we sought equal treatment.

    • Mary Ann

      Are your children actually British or do they have Australian passports? Do you pay income tax in the EU.
      Actually what I find curious is the way French children can get free university education in Scotland but English children can’t, How did the Scots get round that.

      • Sue Smith

        Again, we need the source of your claims here!!

      • mohdanga

        “re your children actually British or do they have Australian passports? Do you pay income tax in the EU.” Our British children (we go back at least eight generations)…there’s your answer.
        How many of these scrounging Muslims pay income tax in the EU?

        • Mary Ann

          As nearly all Muslim migrants come from outside the EU they would need money or work to be allowed into Britain, so they probably do pay.

  • Maureen Fisher

    Why are we still bringing in people to our crowded island who have no skills of any use to us and expect the state to provide free English lessons? I migrated to three countries and learned the languages simply by enrolling in a language school. I also made friends with the native speakers.

    • Mary Ann

      As nearly all our Muslims come from outside the EU their immigration is controlled, so they must have something to offer otherwise they would not be allowed in. As it is, when the new income levels are bought in, it will certainly make life very difficult for any unskilled people who are already here.

  • Bonkim

    Funding will not help a significant majority of Muslim women and also men who are controlled by their religious and cultural beliefs from joining in Kafir society. Women particularly are not free to make decisions in Muslim society and no hope there that as a group they will ever integrate into mainstream Britain. Go around urban parts of Britain to see self-imposed Apartheid in operation.

  • http://www.ukipforbritain.co.uk/ ukipforbritainwebsite

    What a load of tripe! Learning a language takes place in everyday life, not in a classroom!

  • MathMan

    They aren’t here to learn English. They all come to live off benefits and free schooling and free housing and free access to the NHS. Doh!

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Something of a unique situation; Muslim women prevented by male members of their family from participating in free English lessons. This wasn’t in the multicultural script.

  • peter_dtm

    The answer is easy :
    you want to come to Britain YOU fund learning English your self

    As happens in most of the world.

    Why would any sane person not expect this ?

    • mohdanga

      Same nonsense applies here in Canada, bring ’em in by the planeload and have the taxpayer fund ESL (English as a second Language)….very enriching….in a vibrant diversifyingly kind of way.

  • Tom Cullem

    The burqa and niqab should have been banned years ago. There are myriad ways to make clear the difference between a multi-ethnic country and a multi-cultural one – the latter by its very name predicts the shredding of the original host culture. The former supports people of different backgrounds who nevertheless share deeply held principles on women’s emancipation, equal dignity for homosexuals, and the primacy of secularism and local host culture and language. Cameron is right to insist on English, language is the glue which holds nations together and the glass through which we transmit our values. The problem is, Cameron is 40 years too late: the “multi-kulti” fix is in, the host culture was held to be contemptibly lame, schools pushed forward immigrant cultures and forgot what Britain has achieved in the last 1,000 years, and cultures featuring FGM, covering women up so men could feel safe and powerful, etc., were left to proliferate. Now Cameron wants to move from multi-kulti to multi-ethnic with shares values. Well the UK should have thought of that decades ago.
    Horse next county in.

  • Greenslime

    You can tell when Jon Ashworth’s plane has arrived at the airport. It keeps whining when they turn the engines off!

  • Malcolm Stevas

    Puzzled, as ever, by the assumptions in this piece. Why does Jon Ashworth think it normal for there to be so many immigrants in need of English lessons (“16,000 learners across 47 colleges would be affected, with female and ethnic minority learners disproportionately so..”) and why does he think we should subsidise their tuition? Does he think their presence is beneficial in some way that outweighs their disastrous communication handicap? Perhaps he just thinks it right & proper & wholly natural that they should be here, regardless of their lack of English fluency and lack of high-level educational qualifications that would seem to follow from this?

    It seems to me a matter of fundamental common sense that we should restrict immigration from outside the EU (clearly we are powerless within the EU to control immigration from e.g. Romania etc) to that very small minority who are highly qualified, with special qualities not found in the indigenous population, and who demonstrably wish to integrate fully with our culture. The sort of people over whom Ashworth gushes are, frankly, not people who should even be here.

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      Perhaps male Muslims are concerned that if “their” women acquire English fluency, they might find a non-Muslim spouse.

      • Mary Ann

        That’s the main reason that women are repressed, men naturally want to know they are the father’s of the children they are raising, which is why it is still considered more serious for a woman to commit adultery than it is for a man.

        • Sue Smith

          Where’s your source to support this statement?

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    “Let um learns to speaks proper English like what I does.”
    Language learners in Britain must find it so difficult to find suitable role models with whom to practice. Because the majority of Brits are borderline illiterate.

    • WFC

      And they probably can’t spell “stereotyping” properly, either.

    • http://allectus-allectus.blogspot.com Allectus

      Let’s hope they don’t copy you: “practice” is a noun; “practise” is the correct spelling for the verb.

    • anotherjoeblogs

      Do you not even know the use of ‘ because ‘ in sentence structure ?

    • mohdanga

      All the more reason for them not to come in the first place.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    My experience as guardian for Japanese teenagers in Britain in the 1990s, was that it was far better to put them in an independent school as a full border, than fool around with specialized language schools in Oxford. They learned far better from their peers, even if they had to repeat the year.
    As far as fluency and listening comprehension were concerned, the results were outstanding.

    • anotherjoeblogs

      Boarder, innit?

      • WFC

        I still remember a public school educated Rhodesian/Zimbabwean (black) acquaintance with a marvellous sense of humour.

        He used to say that, when Smith was running things, his family had a lot of land, but no vote.

        After Mugabe took over, they took away the land, but gave them the vote.

        He wasn’t in any hurry to go back to Zimbabwe to exercise that vote!

        • anotherjoeblogs

          There’s not exactly a rush to return to their roots, is there ?

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    The writing skills of those Internet correspondents submitting comment in their first language, namely English, are sadly lacking. Face it, state education in Britain is a disgrace.

    • Jacques Strap

      And, so you look down on the working class?

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        I see myself as something of a bridge. But you’ve identified one of the major problems that prevent harmony in British society. Namely, the class structure. We don’t have this in Japan to anything like the same extent.
        Jack, the Japan Alps Brit

    • EUSSR 4 All!

      I thought you went to a State school yourself (Northfield in Billingham), Mr Andrew Milner!

  • Jacques Strap

    Why are they here in the first place? What benefit have they brought the country?

    • trobrianders

      None. That’s the point

      • Jacques Strap

        So instead of going on about making them speak English why doesnt Cameron make sure more dont arrive in the future?

        • trobrianders

          We’re being flooded on purpose.

          • Jacques Strap

            Exactly

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            So true. And furthermore it’s irreversible.
            So do the obvious Britisher pals: Hate it and leave it.
            Jack, the Japan Alps Brit

            • trobrianders

              I want repatriation NOW

              • Jackthesmilingblack

                BA first class?

    • cmflynn

      Well, it is thought lots and lots of babies which the native British females are failing to produce as they’ve been ‘liberated’ from all that and have worthwhile meaningful careers instead. Except, of course for the underclass who are not capable of worthwhile meaningful careers and so still reproduce themselves and even increase and multiply. In spite of this there are just not enough children. Cameron has sensed there is a problem in that Muslim mummies are not bringing their babies up to have good liberal values so he thinks this scheme will help. Where will it all end?

  • trobrianders

    Waste of £20 million. We believed our own human rights hype. That’s why we’re in this mess. Never get high on your own supply.

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      AKA as believing your own BS.

  • Sue Smith

    That picture right there, it was taken in Syria right?

    This story has hit the news in Australia; that the British government is having to spend millions of pounds ‘encouraging’ muslims to learn English when their imams have told them their first allegiance is to their mother tongue.

    Who’d have thought it, aye? Only those with a scintilla of intelligence.

    • trobrianders

      We should learn from Australia

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        G’day ladies and Bruces.

        • anotherjoeblogs

          Sheilas and Bruces would be more consistent.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Not a Python fan?

    • Mary Ann

      I believe the photo was taken in England,

      ” imams have told them their first allegiance is to their mother tongue.”
      Your source of information?

      • Sue Smith

        BBC World Service, Tuesday 19 January 0530 AEDT.

  • Flintshire Ian

    I know that this is a really weird idea for a socialist to understand but maybe they can pay for their own English lessons?

    • Davey

      Yeah, but they’d have to pay for it out of the benefit money that the British taxpayer has already given them, so may as well short-cut it, eh?

      • P_S_W

        That’s only a short cut if you reduce their benefits with the cost of ESOL.

    • Penny

      It’s not all about the benefits to the immigrant, though. Parents usually educate their children to some degree. Whether that’s pre-school, day-to-day chat or helping with homework. Some children are arriving in school without adequate language skills and this creates difficulty for the teacher – even if they catch up relatively quickly. If more time is spent with children who aren’t up to scratch, then less is given to those who are.

      • Flintshire Ian

        I see what you mean but I still don’t think that the taxpayer should have to pay for ESOL classes for imported spouses. Maybe the visa shouldn’t be given at all until they have reasonable fluency in English so that they don’t start to breed here until after they can talk to their children in English?

        • Penny

          I’m not sure about the current provision, but I think other countries run, or have run, similar courses for immigrants/guest workers. To my mind it makes more sense to do so than not.

          I’m thinking of both sides here – not just the immigrant. There are situations that can arise – especially emergency situations involving fire, police and ambulance – that, if the person can’t speak English, means they can’t call for help (for themselves and others). They probably can’t work either, which might mean ongoing financial support. It depends on the case. Other situations might mean calling in a translator – and some of those situations can be on-going.

          I’m only speaking from the experience I had when, at very short notice, I went to work in Germany. Because it was so unexpected I had no language skills. It was – to say the least – difficult for me, but it also meant that, at times, it was probably a pain for the Germans!

    • Jacques Strap

      Or even better a plane ticket back to pakistan

  • ohforheavensake

    Why did he cut ESOL funding? Because he’s incapable of long-term reasoning. Cameron is all tactics, no strategy.

    • trobrianders

      All western leaders are weak because the liberal media are too strong.

      • Sue Smith

        Bravo. And one person’s ‘liberal’ is another person’s ‘straight-jacket’.

        I cannot safely walk the streets of Sydney after 10pm because other people have the ‘right’ to be drunk, disorderly and/or violent on the streets and the law sits idly by and lets it happen. Great if you happen to be drunk; frightening if not. Trust me, marauding gangs of boisterous men are very frightening – especially when your’e sitting at the bus stop after a night at the Opera House with other older, very sober people!!! Then there are the endless ‘chicanes’ of vomit to be negotiated.

        So, piffle to so-called ‘liberality’ and ‘freedoms’.

        • Jackthesmilingblack

          Strait jacket.
          I’m amazed you didn’t know that. You of all people.

          • Sue Smith

            I’ll take that as a compliment!!!

          • EUSSR 4 All!

            Are you talking about yourself, Andy Milner, the ex-Teesside Troll from Japan, originally from Billingham?!

    • polidorisghost

      If they wish to come to the UK they can learn english at their own expense, before they get here.
      I wonder how you get out of bed in the morning, seeing as you don’t have a backbone.

  • ButcombeMan

    What a piece of rubbish.

    People the world over, speak a smattering of English. The reason many immigrant Moslem women do not, is because their contact with the British population is constrained by their menfolk and by dominant mothers in law. They are effectively prisoners.

    The reason many of them do not learn English is cultural, their culture, not ours.

    Ashworth should volunteer to teach them, in his constituency, see how many he gets.

    All he is doing is having a pop at Cameron for spelling out the truth.

    • ohforheavensake

      It’s not just Muslim women, y’know.

      • Sue Smith

        Of course not, but they are part of the most threatening cultural demographic.

    • Davey

      Agree. Also many people the world over learn a smattering of English through exposure to western pop music/films and television. Muslims have no exposure to this and no interest in it. It is this huge cultural difference which prevents integration.

    • Sue Smith

      Please watch the film “Not Without my Daughter” – a true story about an American woman who married a muslim and the horrors she encountered when she agreed to return to Iran with him. Too late for the dumb political class, though.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_Without_My_Daughter

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      That would be Muslim.
      Another example of a pronunciation error morphing into a spelling error.

      • ButcombeMan

        I know why I spelt it Moslem

        • Jackthesmilingblack

          You mispronounce it?

          • ButcombeMan

            Moslem was ALWAYS the way the word was transcribed from Arabic script when I grew up. It is still in use. I have even seen it written that way when I lived in two Moslem countries. True there has been pressure to use Muslim. I do not change. There is a subtle difference. I suggest you learn about it. Don’t try to be smart.

            • Jackthesmilingblack

              Excuses are like *rseholes. Everybody got one.

              • EUSSR 4 All!

                You really are a stupid Internet wind-up merchant, aren’t you, Andy Milner?! Missing Billingham, much?

      • EUSSR 4 All!

        That was the old name, you stupid 40-year-old ex-Teesside Troll based in Japan, Andy Milner!

  • Nuahs87

    If a migrant cannot speak English and they lack the funds to enroll on an English course, how on Earth did they get a visa?

    • Ron Todd

      Marriage
      human rights
      right to a family life
      tax payer funded human rights lawyers

      • Sue Smith

        In short, the ever-burgeoning human rights ‘industry’.

        Doesn’t it strike you as passing strange; that for all the thought policing, ‘progressivism’, multi-cultural, marriage equality, welfare-dependent lunacy we just don’t have that better society – merely a more entitled, narcissistic and violent one.

        Now, who’d have thought….???!!

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      Chicken and egg.
      You need to have fluency in English before you can come to England to study English.
      There’s a flaw there somewhere.

      • Nuahs87

        I never said that. I said you should have English skills or the funds to put yourself through an English course. The only people I would exclude in your scenario is people wanting to turn up in this country for English lessons funded by the British taxpayer.

        • Mary Ann

          Like all those people who only come here to claim benefits! it’s only for the wives of Muslim men who are already living here anyway, and as new people thy will need to have an income of £35,000 before they are allowed in so they won’t be claiming benefits anyway. Remember, nearly all our Muslims come from outside the EU. BTW if you want to learn French for free, you can go and live there, sign on as unemployed and not only do you get free French lessons if you need them but they will pay you 600 euros a month to do them.

  • Blindsideflanker

    For get the deportations , which will never happen, wouldn’t it be simpler to only offer immigration to people who can speak English?

    • telemachus

      You know well that today’s Camoronic outpourings were simply an opportunity for our leader to sharpen his Islamophobic credentials

      • Peter Simple

        Well that’s you at the head of the queue for deportation.

        • Sue Smith

          Shouldn’t that be DE-capitation?

          • Peter Simple

            Possibly but what on Earth would anyone do with the head of Telemachus? Let it go and see if it floats to the ceiling?

            • Sue Smith

              You could turn it into a comic opera, (unlike the serious one by Richard Strauss where John the Baptist finds his head on a platter and Salome starts kissing it). Instead, the newer opera could render the head a useful object – for the first time ever – a Pinyata!!

              • Peter Simple

                I don’t know what a Pinyata is but I am sure that the severed bonce of the Telechamus troll might find a use. A doorstop, perhaps, or an example to small children of the dangers of playing the fool.

                • Sue Smith

                  A Pinyata is an object stuffed with sweets which is hung up and which children must beat viciously with a stick in order to release the confectionary within!!!

                • Peter Simple

                  A sort of advent calendar for the psychopathic? I like the sound of this.

                • Sue Smith

                  The frightening thing is that narcissistic trolls like the said Teleshamus will think we are paying him/it a compliment!! Narcissists love to be talked about, even when being represented as a decapitated head!!!

                • Peter Simple

                  The funny thing about trolls is that they crave attention but go all maiden aunt-ish if they don’t get the precise kind of attention that they were hoping for. Best ignored.

                • Sue Smith

                  Too late, I fear. Just to point out, though, that the key words in my recommendation were “the confectionery within”.

                • Peter Simple

                  It has been a great pleasure, Sue, but I have to be up at a few minutes after five in the morning. Do not feed the troll; whack him! Goodnight and God bless.

        • Jackthesmilingblack

          I’m up for a bit of deportation. Although I’d insist in BA First Class.
          Jack, the Japan Alps Brit

      • Davey

        Islamophobe? Interesting that word has entered the common tongue when there is no similar word or words (certainly not to my knowledge) in common use for fear of Buddhists, let’s say, or fear of Hindus, or fear of Jews, or even fear of Jehovah’s winesses to name just a few examples. Wonder why that could be?

        • cmflynn

          Thank you Davey, Now I understand. Queen Elizabeth I was a Catholicophobe as was Archbishop Cranmer, Oliver Cromwell and many more. Was the Duke of Wellington a Catholicophobe or just an Irishophobe? On the other hand Queen Mary was a definitely a Protestantophobe. This way complex theological ideas can be reduced to a single word. Historians should be told of the new order, their books could be a lot shorter.

          • Leftism is a societal cancer

            I know you are making the point for the side of sanity but even seeing new versions of the -phobe monstrosities invented for satirical purpose is too much to bear.

            • cmflynn

              Ah, you are a phobia phobic. You should assume victim status at once and demand your sensitivities are catered to.

          • MrKaplan

            And I suppose we’re all jehovaphobes, every time we shut the door on one.

            • LittleRedRidingHood

              I slam the door not shut it.

          • Mary Ann

            And they all worshiped the same god, crazy.

            • cmflynn

              Oh, what a Godophobic statement.

              • Mary Ann

                No, fanclubphobe. You can’t be phobic about something that isn’t real.

                • LittleRedRidingHood

                  You mean like moderate islam?

        • Mary Ann

          Fear of Jehovah’s witnesses is justified, they once tried to drive a wedge between me and my children when my childen were in their early teens. They had given up calling on me because they knew it was a waste of time, one day I went out for a walk with my husband when they were in the street, and when we got back we found out that they had called round and tried to convert my children to their religion, I actually knew that one of the witnesses had divorced her husband because he refused to get involved with them so they were fully aware they could break up families.

          Religion can be evil.

          • Davey

            Agree, but I can’t recall a case of any Jehovah’s Witness massacring thousands of innocent people in the name of their religion. There are degrees of evil, wouldn’t you say?

            • Mary Ann

              I agree there are degrees of evil and calling at my house when they had seen me going out was evil. Jehovah’s witnesses sometimes break up families in the name of god.

          • Mr Grumpy

            And then your kids disappeared off the face of the Earth until they texted you from a combat zone where they were busy decapitating infidels? That’s the best piece of whataboutery I’ve seen so far this year.

      • Jacques Strap

        Idiot

      • polidorisghost

        “an opportunity for our leader to sharpen his Islamophobic credentials”
        A phobia is an irrational fear.
        Fear of Islam is perfectly rational – ask the christians of the middle east, if there are any left alive to ask.

        • Malcolm Stevas

          Please don’t offer this character rationality or logic. Life’s too short.

          • rationality

            ‘Please don’t offer this character rationality…’

            No worries. I wont be.

        • telemachus

          Fear of terrorists is rational
          I found that visiting Belfast in the 1980’s
          I did not however at that time or since consider Catholicismphobia

          • polidorisghost

            A dishonest comparison: A typical effort from a second rate PR man.
            The IRA, for all their sins, did not kill their opponents to promote catholicism.
            Islamaphobia: “a word created by fascists, and used by cowards, to manipulate morons.”

            • Mary Ann

              No they bombed people in an attempt to overthrow the wishes for the majority, the ballot box is more important than the sky fairy, or at least it should be.

              • polidorisghost

                Don’t mention sky fairies when in the vicinity of tall buildings.

                • Airey Belvoir

                  Is it Islamaphobic to say that Muslims are homophobic? Life can be so confusing.

              • Jaria1

                You really believe that ISL will agree to abide by the ballot box?

                • Mary Ann

                  Of course not, but then they have their own peculiar beliefs, or at least they claim to.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Comparing Apples and oranges, IRA political terrorist, Islamists fooked up mysogenistic religious zealots with a penchant for killing and rape.

          • Jaria1

            Didn’t you object when your head was chopped off!

      • James Strong

        How can Cameron be ‘Islamophobic’?
        He has publicly stated that Islam is a religion of peace and that terrorist atrocities with the terrorists shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ have ‘nothing to do with Islam’.
        But, more seriously, please tell us how anyone who doesn’t speak English can integrate into our society.
        Seriously, tell us.

        • Mynydd

          The same way as those Brits who don’t speak Spanish integrate into that country’s society.

          • Mary Ann

            And English ghettos in France.

            • Itinerant

              Both are utterly fatuous comparisons and you know it.

            • Wessex Man

              oh dear.

            • Sue Smith

              Where you do get your evidence for this?

              • LittleRedRidingHood

                That’s where she lives.

            • KittyR

              English ghettos in France… I think you’ll find this isn’t a discussion about the tendency of people to move to areas where people of similar cultural outlook reside. It’s about people who are already, or are attempting to become, British citizens and their ability to communicate in the vernacular so they are able to contribute culturally, economically and fully to the country they’ve chosen to reside in. If there are hordes of indolent Brits hanging around France, unable to work or contribute to the culture because of their poor grasp of French, I suggest they jog on back home as I would anyone with similar intent arriving in the UK.

            • LittleRedRidingHood

              Ah that’s where you live. At least you owned up. Do you actually speak french?

          • KittyR

            Yawn. Haven’t heard that before. I’d like to see the stats that prove most Brits who emigrate to Spain make no effort to learn the language, or cause a drain on the Spanish welfare state as they’re unable to contribute to the economy. I think you’ll find that the Spanish welcome Brits and offer all manner of tax incentives to draw them there. So they clearly don’t mind them all that much – after all, they’re not creating problems by returning from war-torn Islamic countries and threatening their fellow country people with violence.

          • mohdanga

            Are those Brits looking to bring in extended family members, put them on social assistance while being on social assistance themselves, demanding special treatment by the Spanish gov’t,etc? Who would suffer more if the Brits in Spain and the Muslims in the UK were forced to leave: the Spanish towns and cities which rely on the investment of basically harmless English retirees seeking sunshine and have no interest in turning the country into an Islamic caliphate? Or the overrun English cities which are fast turning into 3rd world sharia enclaves? Please use some common sense.

          • Jaria1

            Do they behave as Muslims do in the UK

            • Mary Ann

              Are you talking about the majority of law abiding Muslims or the minority that make trouble?

        • Dr. Heath

          I suspect this term was used in place of Islamophilic.

        • Jaria1

          Move to London 🙂

      • Mary Ann

        He’s showing everyone that he is solving the problems, of course if he actually listened to Muslim women he might get it right.

        • polidorisghost

          “if he actually listened to Muslim women he might get it right.”
          How can he?

        • P_S_W

          That would be fine if they all said the same thing.

          Not very likely though.

        • Wessex Man

          Mary Ann, We’ve just been talking to a middle aged Latvian woman, who came here to work and at the same time to learn the language in the first year it cost her £800 and £650 this year. She is as fluent in English as many English people, she now hopes to start her own company here.

          She’s willing to drive herself on and to make a success of herself unlike your average Muslim, you know as well as I that there are entire areas in our cities in which English is not the language of choice. Bristol for example has two, St Pauls and Easton!

        • Sue Smith

          Where’s your evidence to support those statements?

        • LittleRedRidingHood

          But they can’t speak english. Bit difficult eh?

      • Maureen Fisher

        We simply don’t want any more Islamisation in our secular country. Funny how socialists are such avid supporters of a deeply conservative religion.

        • Mary Ann

          It is not about supporting the religion it is about supporting people’s right to practice their own religion, as long as they are not harming others.

          • Maureen Fisher

            Try reading “Islamist terrorism in Europe” and you’ll see how much harm and specifically from this country owing to the complacency of liberals this religion is doing.

            • Mary Ann

              Religion is what individuals make of it, if you believe that the Bible is all sweetness and light you should try reading the evilbible website, remembering that Jesus told people to believe what was in the OT

              • nicnac

                In what way does this address Maureen Fisher’s post? She’s writing about actual terrorism and you’re wittering on about reading books and websites.

              • LittleRedRidingHood

                If only islam was just a religion.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            There lies the problem. They are harming all of us, by the simple fact we are not able to openly discuss islam. Our institutions and goverment are infested with agitators for thier cause.

            Surely then it is cause enough to rid our country of this decisive ideology.

          • mohdanga

            No, it’s about an immigration policy that is insanely destructive to the country. If there are 3 million peaceful Buddhists who only speak Thai I wouldn’t want them here even though they mean no harm. How difficult is this to understand?

      • LittleRedRidingHood

        As we all should. Change the record Tele. We’re on to you.

      • Jaria1

        He’s tiptoeing around the problem . If he told it as it is you and other Muslims might have cause to complain

    • Sue Smith

      That would require a modicum of intelligence, a quality sadly MIA in much of the developed world. Fortunately, I won’t have to spend too many more decades in this ‘brave new world’!!

      • DearyMe

        “I won’t have to spend too many more decades in this ‘brave new world’!!”

        Me neither, Sue but I can’t stop the anxiety over how this “brave new world” will turn out for my children, grandchildren and beyond when I’m gone. Bit depressing but ‘nothing’ keeps me awake at night more, full stop! Just wish I could make a difference to all this PC madness.

        • Sue Smith

          It’s an ongoing war against intelligent, conservative people by a fierce and aggressive left. We’ve seen it all before in Russia, China and now North Korea.

          • Jaria1

            You missed out the UK Sue Smith. Corbyn and his mob should never have been allowed to high jack the Labour Party .no one needs to be a genius to to recognise that the left wing obtained its first success with the appointment of the more compliant Miliband . These people are well versed in using the democratic process to impose their personal beliefs on a country and anyone can see that it’s happening here. statements are chosen that will attract those that feel they are are not getting a fair deal We are having to cut our cloth to repay debts and people are easily tempted by those that they think are sympathetic to their problems. They will find that once they give them power they will realise how much better things used to be

            • Sue Smith

              The conservatives are fighting back; these things wax and wane. One of our leading conservative magazines is carrying a critical article about Polly “The Parrot” Toynbee here in Australia.

              Unfortunately, socialism (a milder form of the ideologies espoused by the Left) is on the rise since the GFC. The best you can say is that they’re slow learners.

              One of our leading conservative journalists and commentators here has just written an editorial piece where he says leftists are “incapable of black box thinking”. This was a phrase he used himself to describe the lack of investigation and rigour involved in leftist ideologies, which remain detached from reality. It was a great analogy – using the black box like the aviation industry to inquire about what has gone wrong with the ‘program’. The left is incapable of this!!

              • right1_left1

                re the cimate change rebuke to Toynbee that was offered Richard Littlejohn.
                When she responded as she did he seemed to go all wibberly wobberly which is not his normal posture.

                Id love to see Pat Condell on Question Time.
                Cant ‘see’ it happening tho’.
                Its usually a very biased left of centre but last night 21st Jan wasnt too bad.
                It came from Northen Ireland.

                Im very right wing on social control , though not oppsed to some collectivism, but I would reject complely deporting those who have failed to learn English.
                You might argue that if unemployed a proportion of any welfare be withheld.

                • Sue Smith

                  As time goes on I’m forming the view that so-called “progressives” – who like the ‘liberal’ culture and it’s freedoms (now isn’t that a laugh?) are probably one and the same group who let their little emperors (children) roam free and do what they want, to the disturbance of other people. In short, they are entitled to ‘run free’ and ‘be kids’. I’ve seen it all!!

    • http://www.ukipforbritain.co.uk/ ukipforbritainwebsite

      I think deportations WILL happen – it’s just a matter of time. That will mark an important change in the country’s character.

      • Mary Ann

        The culture of being a welcoming country will be forgotten.

        • http://www.ukipforbritain.co.uk/ ukipforbritainwebsite

          Good!

        • LittleRedRidingHood

          Or a country being treated like a doormat.
          Did you wipe your feet before you left Britain mary ann?

        • mohdanga

          Won’t be very welcoming once the Muslims are in power.

          • Mary Ann

            The majority take on Western values after one or two generations but of course, they are not newsworthy.

            • mohdanga

              Studies in the UK have shown that 2nd and 3rd generation children of Muslims that have settled in Britain are actually more radical and fundamentalist than their parents and grandparents. Fail.
              And so the UK only has to wait another 50 years to find out whether these 2nd generation enrichers will adopt Western values…and all the time supporting them through social benefits! What a bargain!

    • Violin Sonata.

      How about not allowing immigration unless able to speak the language of the country you frequent. How on earth are these women productive tax payers and members of society.

      • mohdanga

        They are not.

    • Peter Grimes

      Or at least insist that in order to vote they must be able to understand sufficient English to make a reasoned assessment of the various party manifestos. I was surprised to see Krishnan Guru Murthy asking a group of elderly ladies from the sub-continent how they would vote through an interpreter, a male, presumably a tribal elder. The unanimous response of ‘Labour’ wasn’t surprising.

  • Ron Todd

    The judges won’t let us deport terrorists not much chance of them letting Cameron deport some poor woman whose cousin/husband won’t let her out the house to go to English classes.

    • http://www.ukipforbritain.co.uk/ ukipforbritainwebsite

      We’ll get there.

  • Booboo Ababongo

    Other commenters have mentioned this but it defies belief that ‘gimmegrants’ should be paid to learn a language that millions around the world are willing to pay billions of pounds to learn.

    As for Leicester: it’s a basketcase. Segregated. Divided. Dangerous. Do you know any native Britons who wish to visit? No, because they’re all leaving.

    • cmflynn

      I’ve never been to Leicester but have always planned to visit sometime because of its famous cathedral. It looks like I better hurry up. How long do you think I have Booboo before its turned into a mosque?

      • Booboo Ababongo

        20-30 years perhaps…or perhaps never. Perhaps it’ll just become a museum like Buckingham Palace or the Houses of Parliament have become.

        To paraphrase Christopher Caldwell: Can Leicester be the same with different people in it?

  • anotherjoeblogs

    Speaking from experience – living in a country where you want to learn the lingo, all you need to do is get some grammar books, use the internet for exercises etc and get plenty of face-to-face speaking & listening practise…oh wait…

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      If only it were that simple.
      Jack, Japan Alps

  • Davey

    You’d think they’d want to learn the language of their adopted nation and not have to be coerced into it! The fact that so many can live here without speaking a word of english demonstrates the effects of mass immigration – the existence of nations within a nation!

    • Atlas

      Two key questions for our self-appointed political elite, if they have finished debating whether to ban a US presidential candidate from the UK:

      1) Why are we granting residency to so many migrants that can’t speak English?

      2) Why do we have to pay for them to subsequently learn English?

      I have a feeling I may be waiting some time for answers.

      • Hippograd

        1) Why are we granting residency to so many migrants that can’t speak English?
        2) Why do we have to pay for them to subsequently learn English?

        Because “we” hate the west and want to destroy it.

        • Mary Ann

          You have such a perverse way of thinking

          • Sue Smith

            Ah, but it IS thinking – not like what you do.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Yet also true

    • The Meissen Bison

      Many, of course, simply stay at home because that’s what their cultural imperatives dictate and so there is little point in learning English

      • Davey

        Also little point in learning English if all your neighbours, friends, local businesses, places of worship etc etc all speak the same language as you do. This situation results from the misguided policy of mass immigration – whole communities of people arriving at the same time! Hence no integration, simply segregation and the balkanisation of our country.

        • mohdanga

          Yes, but think of the ‘enrichment’!!

  • Liberanos

    Hilarious. Suggesting learning English to muslim women to help them integrate…while they’re wearing the uniform of subjugation. Haven’t we noticed? Is it the star on the Jew again? The triangle on the homosexual? The brand on the slave? Everyone sees it. No one notices. So much for feminism.

  • MajorFrustration

    “or face deportation” that assumes you can find them. Yet another vain glorious idea from Cameron. £20m for the scheme – possibly £40m to police it. Essentially this is money down the drain.

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