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Nick Robinson tackles anti-Corbyn bias at the BBC

16 November 2015

5:16 PM

16 November 2015

5:16 PM

During the summer over 50,000 people signed a petition accusing the BBC of showing bias against Jeremy Corbyn. One major grievance was that presenters regularly referred to the Labour leader as ‘left wing’. While the corporation issued a statement at the time defending their coverage, it appears that even one of their own staff was left unhappy by their efforts. Step forward Nick Robinson.

Over the weekend the BBC’s former political editor confessed — in an interview in the Sunday Times — that he had written to several BBC colleagues over concerns that the corporation’s political coverage is biased against Jeremy Corbyn. When asked by Lynn Barber whether he was ‘shocked’ by the way the BBC ‘rubbish Jeremy Corbyn’, Robinson replied ‘yes’:

‘Yes. Oddly, although I was off work, I did drop a note to a few people after his first weekend saying this is really interesting and we owe it to the audience to sound as if we’re interested.’

In fact, Robinson — who was the president of the Oxford University Conservative Association during his time as a student — appears to be rather enamoured with the new Labour leader, attending a Corbyn rally just for fun:

‘Even though I was off work, I was so frustrated that I couldn’t cover Corbyn’s election, I took myself off to a Corbyn rally. My wife thought I was very sad, but I thought, I’ve got to go and see this for myself!’

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Still, Mr S suspects that not all of Robinson’s former colleagues will be pleased by his intervention.


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  • Geoff Laidlaw

    The only thing the BBC (BRUSSELS BROADCASTING CORPORATION) are worried about is Corbin buggering up the BBC’s pet project , New Labour !!!

  • lojolondon

    Robinson and the rest of the Radio 4 crowd are so left-wing that to them Jeremy Corbyn seems middle-of-the-road. Time to cancel the TV Tax, make the BBC compete for listeners and viewers and get some sanity into this country!! But first we need a Prime Minister with some balls.

  • borngugak

    The are both left win, so here we have the pot calling the kettle black.

  • foto2021

    The BBC has a strong pro-Corbyn bias. Newsnight in particular has given easy interviews to Ken Livingstone, John McDonnell and now Ed Miliband, all of whom support Corbyn. None of them were subjected to any serious questioning.

    It was of course Ed Miliband’s crackpot redrawing of Labour’s rules for electing a leader that allowed the loony left back into the party and to vote for Corbyn for a mere £3, but that did not even get a mention.

  • PHIL THOMAS

    The BBC biased against Corbyn ? Ha Ha everyone knows the BBC is full of lefty liberals who just love the Labour Party. Cant pull the wool over my eyes. Defund the BBC asap so that they have to compete with SKY etc for revenue.

  • gunnerbear

    So the Lefties think the BBC is too Right and the Righties think the BBC is too Left….. …and the SNP think the BBC is too ‘pro-London’ and anti-Scottish and the parties in NI don’t like the BBC….. ….. and UKIP and the Greens are very annoyed at how the BBC shows them (or not at all)…. ….and the Welsh AMs are shouting that the BBC isn’t Welsh enough……..seems the BBC is annoying everyone!

  • http://jesuisfedup.blogspot.co.uk JeSuisFedUp
  • WTF

    At least Andrew Neil has come out and said it as it is !

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIKg3Qexn7U

  • WTF

    There’s a very simple reason the left are anti Corbyn and that’s because they know he’s so far to the left that Labour will remain non electable for as long as he is their leader. They are desperately trying to find a new Blair Mk2 untarnished by WMD to sneak into power as currently, the left, the BBC and liberals see themselves correctly as about as welcome to most in the electorate as an STD !

    • Ridcully

      The champagne socialists have been confronted with a real socialist; they’re sh*****g themseves.

      • WTF

        Exactly and its a joy to see !

  • Tony Walker

    Hang on a sec, aren’t the people who support Corbyn supposed to be PROUD of being left wing? It comes to something when thousands of Corbynistas are complaining that their leader is being accurately described by the BBC. They ought to be rejoicing, no? Or could it be that they know how unpalatable his politics are, and are trying to ‘hide’ him from the wider electorate – like they tried to with dear old Ed Miliband? Hhhhmm.

  • Johnny Foreigner

    I don’t suppose his guilt will stretch to countering the bias towards UKIP then?

  • Martin J

    Ok he’s left wing, but you don’t hear the bbc or any other news say ‘Right wing Prime Minister, David Cameron’. You see, David Cameron is right wing but nobody pulls that up in the media and I believe the right to be more damaging to society than the left. I’m not talking about the left as communism, that’s another myth, there’s no way Britain would become communist, I’m talking about having a more socialist approach to running a country. Corbyn cares about the poorest in society unlike most of the right wing. That’s the difference. The right are brainwashed by the lies of the elite and the media and somehow think that ‘the left’ means communism. It doesn’t. They are brainwashed by the mainstream media, deficit myth, fear of immigration and the need to cut from the poorest. They fall for the propaganda that tells us the poor are stealing from tax payers and austerity needs to be permanent. It doesn’t need to be like that, we can tax the corporations and hugely rich properly, rather than encourage them to set up in tax havens. Think how many billions the government would get back then, rather than scraping it back from people with nothing. Im sure there will be plenty here that think I’m very wrong. If the right wasn’t balanced by the left, it would lead to…

    fascism,

    ˈfaʃɪz(ə)m/
    noun
    noun: fascism
    an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

    • UK Eurosceptic

      David Cameron is SO very far from being right wing.
      He may be best described as centre left or a wet.

  • Terry Field

    ‘During the summer over 50,000 people signed a petition accusing the BBC of showing bias against Jeremy Corbyn’

    And 65 million others think the BBC is the voice of The Guardian and left of it on occasion.

    Red Robbo is NOT the man to argue foe a neutral BBC

  • Helen Davies

    8089, they don’t call Cameron right wing and he is, that’s the point.

    • UK Eurosceptic

      No he isn’t!!!
      David Cameron is SO very far from being right wing.
      He may be best described as centre left or a wet.

  • Picquet

    Good man. A journo who cares about his work.

  • jelliedeels

    Oh the irony ,Nick Robinson and the BBC showed vastly more bias against the pro independence side in the Scottish referendum .

    In fact it has come to light that Robinson and other BBC figures had “secret” meetings with Cameron .

  • Bradley EC

    I am a Labour Party Member and when Corbyn won I thought we should give him a fair hearing. But policy aside I absolutely detest his relaxed complacency. He may think he is being imperturbable but all I see is someone who does not care that much. There is no emotional investment in the job. There is rather a politically correct moral detachment from the dirty, bloody side of foreign policy.

  • The Masked Marvel

    The BBC are never shy about labelling right-wing guests, so these whiners and Nick Robinson can get bent. Robinson particularly needs to watch his honesty after that awful dishonest documentary and faux apology about immigration.

  • Bayesian_Rationalist

    The BBC is biased towards the establishment. On social issues, it means that it is indeed stridently socially liberal. But, on economics, it uncritically accepts the doctrine of neoliberal capitalism.

    According to careful research conducted at Cardiff University, the BBC is more likely to use sources from the right than the left than Channel 4 and ITV. In the aftermath of the banking crisis of 2007-08, one in three of its interviewees in a six-week period was from the banking sector, with the ‘rest of British society – politicians, regulators, campaigners – far down the pecking order’.

    In 2007, appearances on the BBC by Gordon Brown outnumbered appearances by David Cameron by more than two-to-one. In 2012, appearances by David Cameron outnumbered appearances by Ed Miliband by more than four-to-one. Meanwhile, business representatives appearing on the BBC outnumber trade union representatives by more than nineteen-to-one.

    To those who say that people at the BBC are identical to Corbyn, this is evidently not the case: Chris Patten, the chairman of the BBC Trust, was a former Conservative chair and Tory cabinet minister; Andrew Neil, presenter of Daily Politics, was editor of the Sunday Times during the Thatcher-era, a former member of his university’s Conservative Club, and chairman of the group which owns The Spectator; Robbie Gibb, the editor of these shows, is former chief of staff to the Conservative politician Francis Maude, and was one-time deputy chair of the Federation of Conservative Students before it was wound up by Norman Tebbit for being too right-wing; the BBC’s political editor; the policy editor of Newsnight, Chris Cook, is a former adviser to the Conservative MP David Willetts.

    I’m not saying that the BBC is biased towards any political party, but it is biased towards whatever the political orthodoxy may be at the present time.

    • Cassandrina

      Oh dear trotting out the very few right wing names that constantly adorn any left wing diatribe on BBC left wing bias. What about trotting out the obvious left wingers like all editors and commentators on the BBC Today Programme, World at One, Westminster Hour ad nauseum?
      Quoting reports or surveys from Cardiff University is similar to those from that less than distinguished bastion of left wing propaganda and bias the LSE.
      In point of fact it is now so difficult to find the truth that anyone seeking it has to ignore conventional media, including the BBC, and research the web diligently.
      A case in point is the actual scenario in Germany and Sweden where the media is gagged, and the internet and personal contacts are the only outlets.

      • Bayesian_Rationalist

        The terms ‘left-wing’ and ‘right-wing’ are highly subjective, and I’m not claiming that the BBC is biased towards the left or the right, but rather towards the establishment consensus.

        The point of citing these names was to demonstrate that there are plenty in the BBC who are not “identical to Corbyn”, as one commenter put it.

        You claim to have a list of “obvious left wingers” yet fail to name them. It would be helpful if you did.

        If you can find flaws in the studies by Cardiff University, point them out. Dismissing completely any evidence against your position on the basis that “it’s biased”, without providing evidence as to whether this is actually the case or not, is highly illogical.

  • Lina R

    The BBC’s biggest bias is reserved for the Tory party. Their coverage of the general election in May put the SNP victory as their top headline followed by news that Cameron had been re-elected as prime minister. Corbyn and his supporters would see being described as left-wing as a compliment.

  • http://rantingoldgit.blogspot.co.uk/ Arthur Sparknottle

    Corbyn is ‘left wing’; an archetypal specimen of what I call ‘the treacherous left’. We have always had a significant fifth column of disloyal and dangerous left wing traitors who hate everything this country stood for and stands for today. They are a threat to this country and range from revisionist history teachers and Guardian journalists to anarchistic hordes, involved in fringe groups like the Stop the War coalition, CND, animal rights terrorism and those involved in law and order riots. Corbyn, with his spineless talk of wretched impotence in the face of terrorism is so far out that he even disgusts some of his own Parliamentary party, but nevertheless, he is the perfect figurehead for the snivelling left; impotent, cowardly, vacillating and utterly wretched. What else would we expect from he who appointed terrorist lover John McDonnell, to a serious shadow cabinet position.

    • johnontheleft

      Which is he, a dangerous threat or spineless?

  • John Dray

    The only reason Corbyn is being attacked relentlessly by the MSM is that he is perceived as not sufficiently zealous in serving the interests of… well, you know.

    • MacGuffin

      The British people? Common decency? The ideals of the Enlightenment?

  • Ralph

    I must have missed Nick Robinson writing to the BBC in the late 90s and early 2000s when their ‘news’ coverage was a hagiography to Blair and an out and out attack on anyone against him.

    • ChuckieStane

      Undoubtedly one of the blackest period in the history of the UK Media – from print journalism through to the near cessation of satirical comedy – bought off with cheap champagne at Downing St receptions.

      The free ride given to Blair massively inflated his delusional Messiah complex with the devastating effects we still feel today.

  • wudyermucuss

    He is far left,a phrase you will never hear at the British Propaganda Corporation.

  • new_number_2

    At least the right wing media bias is finally starting to be addressed. I too noticed the use of the term ‘left wing’ to describe Corbyn just as his right wing opponents within Labour are described as ‘moderates’.

    • rtj1211

      I don’t think there is a shortage of right wing material in the media. Express, Mail, DT, Spectator, Economist, Sun are all healthily or rabidly right wing.

      • Cornelius Bonkers

        Er, Speccie and Economist right wing? I don’t really think so. Speccie poses a bit, but even its most right wing journo – Rod – is in fact a socialist…isn’t life complicated…

      • Cassandrina

        Economist right wing? Are we reading the same magazine?
        The new editor Beddoes is in the same mould as the previous, and is left of centre.

  • Cornelius Bonkers

    Am I living on Uranus? The BBC anti-Corbyn? Visit the BBC and see how many of its employees actually LOOK AND DRESS like him. It’s a short hop to thinking like him

    • wudyermucuss

      I worked there.
      Guardians akimbo,Mail wasteland.
      Institutionally biased,forced funded.

      • Cornelius Bonkers

        Yes, W1A is not a comedy but rather a documentary – a family member worked at White City, I visited, and was quite disturbed by it – breakout spaces, swings, hot desking, Brompton bikes, no heterosexual males in evidence and so on…

        • rtj1211

          Did you ask any of the female BBC employees whether they’d indulged in any shagging in the office? Probably the most reliable way of flushing out male heterosexuals in Wood Lane, I would have thought……..

          • Cornelius Bonkers

            Well, you would think so wouldn’t you! But my informant tells me that Wood Lane’s one and only heterosexual employee is so shagged out he has decided to go native in future…

            • KateJames

              Lovely sensible posting – you must all be proud.

              • Cornelius Bonkers

                Thanks Kate, you’ve got to laugh haven’t you…let’s be honest, sexuality is not the serious matter many folk seem to think it is…and yes, we ought to be proud, free speech matters don’t you think? No?

    • trobrianders

      A gimp hop

      • Cornelius Bonkers

        “gimp hop”?

  • JSC

    The beeb should come clean and call it like they see it: far/hard left.

  • The PrangWizard of England

    A friend of mine was a regular attendee at Marxist/Socialist Worker meetings, she would travel quite a way too, to attend them in London. She would say ‘I’m not a Marxist, I’m just interested in what they have to say’. Yeah, Right!

    • TheJustCity

      The irony is that Marx and Orwell, were they alive today, would have been deemed right-wing by the rancid mutant-Left ‘progressives’ and, doubtless, their lib-leftish cheerleaders in the MSM. As Orwell might have said, the sandal and beret-wearing cranks have abandoned the fringes and set up shop in the centre of the main building.

    • rtj1211

      The only way you can understand what your opponents are thinking is to listen to them talk.

      • The PrangWizard of England

        They (Marxists/SWP/Trots) in each of their ways say the same thing, time after time after time, or haven’t you noticed yet? You don’t need to go to more than two meetings to discover this. They are attended by the already converted who like to be ‘pumped up’ in their class war hatred, and for the revolution.

      • Bobuk

        A psychiatrist would disagree with you on that one and suggest that instead you watch the way they act.

        Words can be lies but actions very rarely are.

      • Cassandrina

        The loony left NEVER listen as they are screaming their message / dogma / mantra over any opposition to their views.
        Listen to BBC radio 4 for confirmation.
        This morning the Merkel loving Der Spiegel told BBC World News that the 50,000 disappointed football fans in Hanover all went quietly home when the match was cancelled. Either the Germans have become sheep / zombies or we are being lied to by Der Spiegel and BBC. I vote the latter.

        • KateJames

          So you haven’t seen the right wing posters screaming about Corbyn-Laden, loony lefts, traitors? Making really bad comments about Diane Abbott? No?

  • Treebrain

    Well said Nick Robinson!

  • DellerboyNZ

    The Beeb saying JC is ‘left wing’ has no more significance than them saying ‘so called’ when mentioning IS

  • EasyStreet

    I rather like the conspiracy theory that goes “BBC wants Labour to win in 2020 so gives Corbyn a kicking to maximise the chance of him being replaced by someone electable in time for the campaign”. From that perspective, Nick’s complaint could be the cunning ruse of a crypto-Tory!

  • Cadogan Enright

    Gob-smacked by this hyporacy given Robinsons appalling BEHAVIOR in the referendum – The BBC”s and other Corporate Media coverage of Corbyn has been measured and accurate compared to the profoundly biased and unprofessional behavior of Robinson in 2013/2014

  • Mr Grumpy

    The petition smacks of desperation. Corbyn is on the left wing of the Labour Party, Cameron is not on the right wing of the Tory Party.

    • Old Fox

      Quite so.

  • SNP “AJOCKALYPSE”

    Nick Robinson led the bbc’s disgraceful, anti-Scottish independence campaign during the independence referendum.

    His lies and unionist propaganda showed the bbc to be a biased state broadcaster with as much credibility as RT.

  • Eques

    Both left and right enjoy feeling hard done by with regard to the BBC. Both regularly complain of bias, often in relation to the same broadcast or interview. They just seem to be able to filter out any evidence that does re-inforce their feeling of victimhood.

    They seem unable to understand the concept that an interviewer has to challenge an interviewee and ask him tough questions. Even if the same interviewer the next day gives an equally tough interveiww to a representative of the other side, they just seem to be able to make themselves ignore it.

    Lefties are always claiming that Paxman displays right wing bias. That’s Jeremy”did you threaten to overrule him?” Paxman. And they also keep making the accusation about Andrew Neill. Now Neill used to be an active Tory and probably still is but that doesn’t stop him taking the mick out of them regularly on This Week. Last episode I saw they played Michael Gove on loop over the end credits promising that the Tories would not raise Tax Credits.

    And Tories are always shocked to discover that not every member of the British public thinks the way they do, and that many are able to make cogent left wing arguments. To make themselves feel better they are therefore always claiming that “the BBC always packs the Question Time audience with lefties”

    • HJ777

      I don’t agree at all. What the BBC frequently does (and let’s face it, most people don’t watch its political analysis programmes, which do quiz both sides) is to simply report what both sides are saying as if they were equally valid.

      However, one side is often blatantly wrong or trying to deceive, as the simplest analysis would quickly reveal. The most egregious recent example I can think of what Alex Salmond’s currency claims – he was simply lying and relying on the fact that most people didn’t understand the issue. A simple analysis could have exposed this. Instead his claims were simply reported as if they were a valid viewpoint and the BBC’s role was simply to report what both sides were saying.

      The other problem is that the BBC is almost invariably ‘statist’. Being a state-run institution, this is hardly surprising, but it should recognise this and not always make statist assumptions. To give an example, I was recently listening to a BBC radio programme on the subject of Grammar Schools and, in essence, the entire discussion was about whether the state should impose a selective school system or a non-selective school system on everyone. Not once was it suggested that there is another viewpoint – that the state shouldn’t make or impose any such decision and that schools should simply respond to what people want.

      • The_greyhound

        Dead right.

        You might be interested to see that salmond’s policy adviser has now owned up to the systematic lies that characterised the SNP pitch last year – http://rattle.scot/snp-independence-is-dead-start-again-or-shut-up

      • Eques

        On your first point, maybe, but where do they draw the line? It must be tricky. Ye sometimes they would be exposing lies but sometimes they would be effectively victimising one politician or party to the benefit of the other and how could they be sure how much they were motivated by seeking the truth and how much by their own political preferences. That said they do sometimes still stick their neck out and run an expose on a political issue, and they do cop flak for it (eg the Panorama investigation of Corbyn during the leadership election)

        On your second point, of course, most of the rest of the media is privately owned, and by extremely wealthy individuals. That means that, without the BBC, all of the information presented to the populace is going to fall under one particular ideological framework and set of assumptions.

      • rtj1211

        Most people don’t want 85% of the children in sink secondary moderns, I assure you.

        I’ve said I don’t know how many times that grammar schools select on the basis of a pathetically tiny set of ‘skills’ or ‘intelligences’, almost uniquely limited to simple sums, a bit of verbal logic and, if you are lucky, a bit of creative writing.

        No selection on musical abilities, sporting abilities, engineering/science abilities, computer programming abilities, horticultural/agricultural abilities, metal/wood/other craft abilities, trading abilities, entrepreneurial abilities, negotiating abilities, presentational abilities, acting abilities, mentoring abilities, buddying abilities, reporting abilities etc etc etc.

        It is the most singulariy archaic, luddite approach to education known.

        Of course some people want it. It suits their selection abilities and gives them advantage down the line for no good reason whatsoever.

        And anyone who says that the grammar school generation benefitted Britain’s economy is mentally subnormal. They presided over the total destruction of British industry, the creation of the financial engineering parasite, and the utter lack of proper training of 85% of the young population just to make those who want to read Shakespeare tell themselves how superior they were.

        • HJ777

          I’m not sure what your point is.

          I am neither in favour of or against selection. I am against either policy being forced on everyone by government. In the independent sector there are all types of schools – and people choose what suits them. I would like everyone to have the same choice. I do not see why government has to decide.

      • Ordinary Man

        When do you ever hear the BBC talk not about cuts but about savings?

      • Cassandrina

        State run? I don’t think so.
        It is certainly taxpayer (state) funded and with loans from the EC etc.
        The excuse that the BBC puts forward is that it acts as devil’s advocate, but this is rarely true with issues from the left, but quite rigorous (with constant interruptions) when it does not meet the BBC agenda.
        It is like the BBC favourite term “complex” which in real speak means I cannot understand it so you will never understand it.

    • lambdoid

      They don’t ask tough questions though. They ask trivial and irrelevant questions of no relevance to the British public, and when the guest tries to answer they rudely interrupt so as to appear tough. I want to hear what the interviewee has to say for themselves, not the BBC’s pre-conceived opinions.

  • Eques

    I wouldn’t say “left wing” was the problem, more when pundits say things like “far left” and “hard left” , as if they just cannot conceive of any political programme that is not a Thatcherite one, even from the, um, Labour Party,

    • Hugh

      If by “pundits” you mean non-BBC commentators who appear on some shows I’m not sure I see the problem. They’re easily balanced by those who insist he’s quite centrist. I’m not sure I’ve seen any BBC journalists describing him as far left or hard left. BBC staff have, though described UKIP as “far right” and “hard right”.

    • oldoddjobs

      Anyone to my right is a far-right extremist. Anyone who believes in less immigration than me this week is a fascistbigotracistneonazi. I think that’s how it works.

  • john

    Who will tackle the problem of Speccie anti-Corbyn bias?

    • Ooh!MePurse!

      It doesn’t need to be tackled as it is not an issue for Spectator readers. The Spectator is a pro-Conservative publication (not always uncritical and rightly so) and its readership understand this when they buy and read it. Nobody is forced to spend money on The Spectator and so it is not obliged to be politically impartial. The difference with the BBC is clear.

      • Cassandrina

        Since when did the BBC call its license fee a TV tax which it is?
        But it constantly went on about a “bedroom tax” which was really a benefits cut (“cut” is a favourite word with the BBC, like “absolutely” instead of yes)

  • Roger Hudson

    He works for the BBC.

  • 8089

    He is left wing. Where’s the problem?

    • Rick

      Very left wing I’d say.

      • flipkipper

        that’s not good is it?

        • Lina R

          It means more debt, more welfare, more immigration.

          • astrolin

            Er no, more debt has happened under George Osborne. More people using foodbanks, more homeless too.

            • McRobbie

              Nice try..but another leftie distortion. Debt is being controlled but it takes longer to build than it does to destroy and labour had 13 years to destroy our economy. Its now heading in the right direction..unemployment down, inflation under control debt being managed.

              • Pacificweather

                Labour ran a surplus for three years in their first Blair parliament. When was the last time the Conservatives ran a surplus?

                Also, the first post war austerity government was run by Labour from 1945-50. Ironically, it was the abandonment of austerity by the Conservatives that brought about the rapid economic expansion leading Macmillan to be able to truthfully say, “You’ve never had it so good”.

                • Terry Field

                  The continued to run Majors golden inheritance, until real Labour degeneration took hold.

                • Pacificweather

                  I think the credit rightly belongs to Ken Clarke not one of the men who gave £7billion to George Sorus and his friends. But, the point is, they did it, no one else. They didn’t have to but they did.

                • Paul James

                  You realise the economy was in a worse state in 1997 after Major than it was in 2010 after the global crash. No you don’t because the was never a mantra of ‘mess the Tories left us in’ repeated ad infinitum. Instead of mantras they set about building the strongest UK economy on record and all without austerity.

                • Terry Field

                  I guessed an economic illiterate would pop up, and here you are.

                • Paul James

                  Ha, as you so deftly proved by destroying my argument instead of just repeating the mantra of ‘economic illiterate’ like you have elsewhere … No wait …Go an troll elsewhere if you can’t put anything approaching a sensible argument together.

                • Terry Field

                  You made no argument you simply made a foolish assertion.

                • Paul James

                  So foolish that after two cracks at it you offer nothing in rebuttal. This isn’t PMQ’s you are not going to get 6 chances and a week to think about it. Troll Class: Bantam Weight buddy, you’d have been out of your depth trolling on the Daily Fail or The Scum forums.

                • Curtis Morgan

                  You do realize that the economic crash happened as a direct result of Margret Thatchers fiscal policies? Unfortunately Labour adopted them which is why people have hugely been disenfranchised by politics in general.

                  Thatcher implemented Neo-Liberal economics or ‘Reaganomics’ after the Actor and ‘President’ Ronald Reagan.

                  The market was de-regulated, taxes were cut (for the rich) and government spending was cut. This was a global shift in fiscal policy which was adopted by many countries around the world which led to a GLOBAL economic crash. I really thought people were less ignorant instead of thinking that Labour somehow caused this crises.

                  The funny thing is, even though Labour shamefully adopted neo-liberalism, they were still better at managing the economy than the Tories. Blair had three successive budget surpluses, inequality was lower than what it is today, and Labour borrowed less in the 13 years they were in power compared to the first 3 years of Conservative power under David Cameron. The Tories have also doubled the national debt.

              • Curtis Morgan

                You clearly don’t understand economics then. For how long will it be the blame Labour game? If the Tories are still in power in 30 years time they will still blame Labour for their own failings.

                Here’s the facts:

                The Conservatives have borrowed more in three years than Labour did in their 13 year time in office.

                The Conservatives have doubled the debt, despite austerity, despite the poorer getting poorer, despite food banks.

                The deficit has halved, and has not been eradicated, something which was promised before the 2010 GE.

                The economy is growing at an incredibly slow rate.

                Wages are being compared to the 70’s…….. the 1870’s.

                Why is the above happening?
                Well first, a good idea is to not cut corporation tax by 2% (despite already being the lowest in the G7).

                Don’t make extreme cuts that our very own Prime Minister is now feeling the affect of it as it’s now hitting his own constituency (something he is strangely confused about)

                Also, this government has made the poor poorer.
                Despite the obvious immoral political choice, it actually harms the economy when the majority of people are struggling. If poor people don’t have the money to put food on the table, they don’t have money to buy goods and services, thus putting less money back into the economy and into local small businesses.

                What is good for the economy is first the most obvious, force corporations to actually pay their taxes. It’s not even about raising them, it’s about putting resources into find the missing revenue from tax avoidance. More staff are tasked to catch out ‘benefit scroungers’ than collecting billions of pounds from the people at the top each year.

                Make sure people are paid an actual living wage. Not the new ‘living wage’ proposed by the Tories which takes place in 2020 (and only for those over 25). Younger people will still suffer and the wage increase happens four years after tax credits are to be cut, pushing more people into poverty.

                Cut Corporate welfare. The idea that corporations need welfare is mind boggling, but this is something that is never talked about. The people on the right are always talking about welfare and how it needs to be reformed or removed completely! I completely agree, lets scrap corporate welfare saving us £90 billion a year.

                Grow the economy, don’t destroy it. After WW2, how did we remove ourselves from the great depression? Did we cut jobs, services and pay? No we didn’t, and if we had, we would probably be like Greece. What we did is invest. We invested in the NHS and created a welfare state. We invested in infrastructure and created jobs. The result? We saw the biggest economic boom the country had ever seen. The same strategy is needed today. Our economy is growing shamefully slow and no one apart from the top 1% are benefiting from it.

                Whenever Conservative fiscal policies are implemented, we hit a recession. When use policies like the above, we boom!

                • Glen Shaky Shakespeare

                  I have read on several occasions that Osborne has increased the deficit by 50%. A claim that makes perfect sense given his idiotic fiscal policies. We have had a severely stagnated economy ever since he entered No. 11 and deliberately killed the strongest recovery we had ever experienced from recession. And let’s face it we had plenty of practice at recession last time round when they were in office. At least 3 of them.

              • red2black

                Debt is being controlled and managed? At the moment the government is borrowing around £2bn a week. I think this is the highest rate of borrowing ever (?)

              • astrolin

                Nice try but another bitter right evasion. Mr Osborne said he would be reducing the debt by now. Not have it heading in the right direction. Unemployment is down only due to increase in menial working poor jobs, not well paid jobs. If things were going so well the Bank Of England would have raised interest rates by now. They have not and give no sign of when they feasibly can. Osborne – more debt, more menial jobs, more emergency level interest rates, more foreign takeover of the UK property market. I thought England had not been invaded since 1066 – but we can see there is one underway right now

            • Terry Field

              Economic illiterate.

          • flipkipper

            But why are they importing 300,000 immigrants a year if that was bad for us? Only good can come out of it as far as I am concerned given you still don’t grasp why they are doing it.

          • Andreas Hoberg

            your are right, it means a society for the people and not for war mongers, overpaid upper class idiots and Nazis.

          • hoggleboggle

            I believe you are describing the tories there seeing as this is exactly their track record

    • John Regan

      No problem there, as long as you call David Cameron right wing, which he is. No amount of social liberalism can hide the fact that his economic policies are to the right of Thatch.

      • Dominic Stockford

        Camerloon is middle.

        • Richard Baranov

          Camerloon and his side kick are spivs, any political position will do if it gets them the money and a baronetcy for Camers.

          • Ordinary Man

            Time for bed,

      • John Smith

        Cameron Right wing
        Tell that to Marine

        • John Regan

          yes we could compare Corbyn to other world leaders and show how he’s not left wing, too. In the context of British politics, Cameron is economically right wing.

          • John Smith

            With a deficit like we have and growing debt
            He is hardly a Conservative

            • Curtis Morgan

              He is when he is cutting taxes for the wealthy whilst removing tax credits, that doesn’t cut the deficit.

              • John Smith

                Removing the 50% rate increases the tax take

                Gordon Brown’s election bribes need reform

                • kevin rudeforth

                  so a right winger would increase the tax rate because the tax take would fall?

                • John Smith

                  No, a left winger would because they like posturing

                • kevin rudeforth

                  you appear to have missed your own point… Right wingers like less tax, so a clever right-winger would by your logic raise the tax rate. And if raising taxes penalises hard work (as the tories always say) then where does increasing the tax take sit within that argument?

                • Jason Whattam

                  stop feeding the troll.

                • kevin rudeforth

                  no :p

                • John Smith

                  No, you are muddled, lefties like to collect tax, as they think they can spend it better than those who earn it

              • Jaria1

                Lawson proved that the treasury received more in tax revenue when he lowered the tax burden on the wealthy. The popular Labour wish for the rich to pay more tax takes but a moment to see how badly mistaken they are.. So it’s really back to the old greed and envy.

                • Roger van der Velde

                  Sorry chum, the number of large-scale tax dodgers multiplied like bacteria in warm milk under the Lawson chancellorship. Stop reading the rubbish pumped out by that septic think tank the ‘IEA’.

                • Jaria1

                  Best you read the original post again I think. It’s not a matter of opinion but fact that the exchequer received more tax when it was reduced.
                  Tax dodging was not mentioned as it has and always will be practiced however less people left the UK. Due to excess taxes being levied and more people were attracted to base their businesses in the UK.
                  I do think someone with your obvious limited knowledge on the subject is qualified to tell anyone that their post is rubbish. Talk and listen more to your wife

                • Roger van der Velde

                  Your post is rubbish. It’s not fact at all…massaged official lies perhaps, but that’s not the same. If dodging is still going on no matter where the tax rate sits, it’s impossible to gather revenue.
                  A rate doesn’t “make” people leave, they choose to because they are greedy dodgers. Truth be told, the threats to leave hardly ever materialise anyway; why would they leave a place where you can find a loophole and a crooked (ordinary) accountant to make it all go away?

                  Maybe you could read more closely, this time with a critical eye…oh I forgot, you’re a Tory idiot.

                • Jaria1

                  Hiding your ignorance by insults doesn’t warrant a response

              • Jaria1

                It’s been shown that a lower tax rate brings in more to the exchequer too much encourages capital and investment to leave . The complaints against what is an encouragement to investment are purely ideological .Left wingers have never been able to work it out that they are harming those they say they support.

                • Roger van der Velde

                  That is comical. No matter what the tax rate businesses large and small, and wealthy individuals, still employ ‘tax advisers’ to dodge tax. I know this because my ex-wife is such a ‘tax adviser’. The fantasies the right wing tell themselves are astonishing.

                • Jaria1

                  Get your wife to explain to you what happened when Lawson reduced the tax rates.
                  She could also try and explain why .
                  I would suggest you try and restrain your laughter as she might not see the funny side like I do.

                • Roger van der Velde

                  I don’t need her to explain, I am an old LSE graduate. She is also my EX-wife. Perhaps I could get her to explain to you how and why she helped people dodge tax whatever the rate. According to her the level of dodging was the same through the 70s, 80s and early 90s, no matter what the tax rate was. I have no up to date reports from her, we got bored of one another’s political opinions. That’s why she is my ex.

                • Jaria1

                  You’ve hit a brick wall I have explained sufficiently for you to understand what I’ve been saying but you are busy arguing on an entirely different point to that I raised. Perhaps it’s down to the poor training at the LSE

                • Jaria1

                  You might find it comical but people cleverer than you and I think not. I think it was Nigel Lawson that proved the point.
                  This is our resident troll by the sound of it who cannot post without being offensive.
                  Your recent posts under several different user names which have been insulting and rude coinsided with a congratulatory post from discus thanking me for my interesting input to the board. I’ll settle with their opinion as opposed to yours thanks

                • Leon Wolfeson

                  Yes, you do sound like yourself, as you spin your conspiracy theories.
                  As you make up stories of a “congratulatory post”, no less!

                • Jaria1

                  Give me your em address and I’ll send it to you!
                  Why on earth should I bother to lie to you?

                • Leon Wolfeson

                  Ah, a BNP man trying to get my address.
                  Hmm!

                  Your second question answers itself, thus.

                • Jaria1

                  The wriggling you display is pathetic

                • Leon Wolfeson

                  I’m not behaving as the phantasm in your head is.

                • Jaria1

                  Lol how many of your list of names are going to back you up!

                • Leon Wolfeson

                  I don’t follow your practices…

                • Jaria1

                  You should there is no need for deception especially when one name should be sufficient

                • Leon Wolfeson

                  Yes, right, I don’t as you do use many usernames.

                  Thanks for admitting, for the record, your sins.

                • Roger van der Velde

                  ‘Several user names’?
                  Sorry, not my style, though you seem familiar with that modus operandi…must be from experience.
                  I’m sure everyone who is trounced finds the result ‘rude’.

                • Jaria1

                  Don’t believe you its your style that identifies you .
                  Accusing me of doing the same is a weak defence.
                  As for you thinking you are trouncing everyone . I would suggest you risk holding yourself up as a figure of ridicule.
                  Debating is supposed to be an exchange of ideas not an opportunity to try and ridicule. A fact that as you see in my recent post I accused you of

                • Roger van der Velde

                  “Debating is supposed to be an exchange of ideas not an opportunity to try and ridicule. ”

                  Why are you doing that then? You have a keen sense of humour, or perhaps you’re in earnest?

                  You might tune in to BBC2’s new series about the scale of tax dodging high and low. You may learn something…though I doubt you’ll enjoy all your dearly-held fantasies being dismantled.

                • Jaria1

                  You can do better than that surely ?
                  You are mixing up your identities too how many more do you need.

                • Jaria1

                  Thought you were using Leon today

                • Leon Wolfeson

                  Ah, so lies are good for you and facts weak for others – as you note what you oppose, debate.

                • Jaria1

                  Debate with you as others have found out has to be an exchange of unpleasries .
                  Now just toddle off and put an end to these silly posts of. Yours

                • Leon Wolfeson

                  You’ve refused to debate. You’ve just been unpleasant. As you demand censorship and want to suppress other views. Again.

              • Jaria1

                Increase the taxes on the wealthy and they don’t invest and those that suffer are the poor. Have a look at what’s happened in France

                • Leon Wolfeson

                  So you spin what’s happened in France…ignoring the actual problems of investment…right.

              • Jaria1

                Cutting taxes have proved advantageous to the treasury in the past, it also encourages investment which creates jobs or do you subscribe to M Hollandes economics which have put France in such a precarious situation

                • Leon Wolfeson

                  Ah yes, boosting those jobs in banks in tax havens…

                  Hollande’s problem is he waffled and didn’t follow through with any strong economic policy.

          • Jaria1

            Please tell me what is motivating you to try and mislead people to that extent. The right wing of the Tory party are exasperated with Cameron’s centrist politics which like Blair he believes it’s there where elections are won.
            Corbyn is pro Unite run by Communist McClusky. Corbyn has given Livingstone the job where he is most able to influence the party. Corbyn has made ODonnell shadow chancellor et al.
            Are you being serious if not tell me what you are on

            • Leon Wolfeson

              Commies in your mind, right. And the evils of allowing workers near power…

              The right of the Tories always wants to move right, too, as you ignore Cameron’s well to the right of Thatcher.

              • Jaria1

                Oh dear little wonder posters ignore you

                • Leon Wolfeson

                  And yet, Mr. Wonder Posters, you’re not.

      • Bobuk

        More of a Blairite perhaps?

      • Giambologna

        Thatcher was and Cameron is economically liberal, not right wing.
        This is a common mistake. Privatisation and rabid free market policies are a
        liberalisation of the economy.

        Blair was also economically liberal, and is therefore
        also misconstrued as being ‘right wing’. Anyone who understood the difference
        between conservatism and liberalism would not think Thatcher, Blair, Cameron (and
        Osborne’s) economic policies as conservative and therefore it is incorrect to
        describe them as right wing. Hence why conservative people so dislike Cameron
        and Osborne. People of the left do not understand this, because they see their
        economics as being ‘right wing’, which they are not.

        • John Regan

          Okay then- you’d describe austerity as liberal, would you?

          • Giambologna

            I would, yes. Conservatism is not about radical change, but
            about making slow, considered changes, not on the basis of ideology. What is conservative about reducing funds to long-established
            and cherished public services. However, it is conservative to reduce funds to
            pointless vanity projects that serve little good (I am thinking of our foreign
            aid commitment, and HS2, among others, notably ring-fenced). If Cameron and
            Osborne’s actual aim was to reduce our indebtedness I would applaud them, but
            it has been repeatedly shown it is not, but merely media headline bluster. Cameron
            and Osborne are self-described liberals.

            • John Regan

              No. My question was whether you would describe austerity as liberal- not whether you’d describe it as conservative. Secondly, I refute your claim that economic conservatism is somehow ideologically blank, a kind of gradualist tabula rasa upon which the demands of the day can be inscribed. Post-70s economic liberalism of the kind espoused by Thatcher has, however unlikely it appears, become ineliminable from modern British conservatism. In fact it is the great trick of the tory party- to esteem values like traditionalism and delayed gratification with one side of your mouth and then to put the markets on steroids with the other. Both are part of ‘right wing’ thinking now, however remarkably antithetical they appear to one another.

              • Giambologna

                I was trying to differentiate between actual conservatism and the modern Tory party. I agree with you that Thatcherite economic liberalismhas become ‘ineliminable’ from the party, but that is because the party is liberal not conservative. I think the term ‘right wing’ is unhelpful and confusing. Cameron and Osborne (and Blair) are not ‘right wing’, they are liberals. A lot of people say they are social liberal, and economically conservative, but in fact they are both socially and economically liberal. I would say that real conservatives do not want the market ‘on steroids’. Unfortunately, the modern Conservative party has trashed (or at least confused) the meaning of actual Conservatism.

                • John Regan

                  Interesting points- thanks for them. I suppose our area of disagreement is where I think modern British conservatism actually does pull off the bizarre trick of marrying gradualism and tradition with that which tends to wreck these (unfettered capitalism), and you feel that there is no marrying at all. So, your position is that there is no conservatism to speak of, whereas I think it’s a schizophrenic, or actually incoherent, beast.

                • Giambologna

                  ‘I think modern British Conservatism does pull off the bizarre trick of marrying gradualism and tradition with that which tends to wreck these (unfettered capitalism), and you feel that there is no marrying at all.’

                  Yes. That was what I was trying to say, but you’ve put it more eloquently than I did. If you read the words of actual Conservatives (eg Roger Scruton, Peter Hitchens) you’ll find a lot of criticism of unfettered ‘liberal’ capitalism and globalisation. Worryingly, I sometimes find myself agreeing more with a real Socialist, Corbyn, than I do with our PM.

                • John Regan

                  This has been awfully civilised. Isn’t the usual format that one of us mentions Hitler at this point?

                • Giambologna

                  Don’t worry, I am sure someone will be along to do the job
                  for us! It’s not as if there was any history before or after Hitler that could
                  ever help us…

                • oldoddjobs

                  Fascist

                • frank100

                  So, where does that leave the lidems

              • Giambologna

                Sorry, didn’t answer the question. Yes, I
                believe that it is a liberal move. It is conservative to balance the books, but
                this is not what they are attempting.

          • Jaria1

            Austerity starts at cutting out waste and there still is a long way to go.
            According to some economists the Lib Dems watered down the austerity programme to an extent that it was almost useless. Labour Chancellor Darling promised an austerity programme that according to him would make Mrs Ts look mild.
            What I fail to understand is that all three major parties are signed up to the biggest waste of all being Foreign aid!
            Which highlights the lack of democracy in the UK

        • johnontheleft

          Erm… economic liberalism is understood to be on the right of the political spectrum. Right-wing doesn’t always mean conservative (note the lower case c).

          • Giambologna

            If this is true then what is the modern difference between left and right now? These terms are pointless in the modern debate. Anyone who uses them either doesn’t understand or is trying to confuse the debate. The conflict is between liberalism and conservatism, with liberalism winning. Right v left was a Cold War fight between economic policies, which ended 25 years ago. Those on the ‘left’ long ago realised that their aims could be met through progressive liberalism.

        • Roger van der Velde

          Your common mistake is that ‘liberalisation’ is a PR buzzword that refers to economic policy steeped in neo-liberal economic theory. Neo-liberalism (or neo-laissez-faire, whichever way you want to twist it) was Thatcher’s approach and has been official economic policy for the Tories ever since; with a nip or tuck here and there for public consumption.

        • Nick Dedman

          Biiiig difference between Liberal and Neoliberal.

      • Terry Field

        You don’t know what right wing is old cocker.

        • John Regan

          Oh yeah? Please enlighten me.

      • Jaria1

        Conservatives would not agree with you. Cameron observed that Blair was right when he said elections were won from the centre .
        I wonder what your reasons can be for stating such a misleading statement

      • Jaria1

        Torres don’t see Cameron as right wing in fact they see him too close to Blairs politics. His election strategy was aimed like Blairs at the centre

      • Jaria1

        If you were a Tory you would never suggest Cameron was right wing. If you are a fan of Corbyn you would see everyone as a right winger , even those who’ve been in the Labour Party all their lives

        • Leon Wolfeson

          Keep demanding everyone fit into your little PC stereotypes.

    • DaHitman

      I think he’s most of a communist than left-wing, if he’s not a communist, Stalin must have been left-wing

      • Bayesian_Rationalist

        Insofar as I am aware, Jeremy Corbyn does not advocate a stateless society without currency – also known as a communist society.

        • Cassandrina

          So the Stalin Russia rouble was a figment of western imagination.
          One despairs of the loony left’s excuses.

          • Pacificweather

            In Stalin’s USSR communism was a figment of the party’s imagination for that matter.

          • Bayesian_Rationalist

            Russia was a totalitarian state socialist society. Communism is a stateless, classless society without currency, therefore the Soviet Union was not communist, just as China is not communist.

            The fact that a party or state claims to be communist is not an indication that the society is actually communist – China has more billionaires than the United Kingdom, for instance.

            I could create a Capitalist Party and then get rid of currency, but just because I call my society capitalist, doesn’t mean it is.

            • Simon_in_London

              I guess Hitler’s Germany didn’t embody the true ideals of National Socialism, either.

              • Nick Dedman

                Well Jeremy Corbyn certaintly doesn’t. Democratic socialism is a very different thing.

              • Hamblerger

                Actually, it did, since the actions of that state met the definitions of a national socialist state.

            • oldoddjobs

              Communism never happened, by definition. Communism is infinite wealth, peace and harmony for all mankind. As that hasn’t happened yet, Communism never happened. Stalin was a far-right extremist like Cameron, Blair, Hollande, Merkel etc etc

      • hoggleboggle

        Then you clearly have no idea what a communist is

        • DaHitman

          But I do, go look in the mirror Comrade

    • https://www.facebook.com/pages/International-Gender-and-Sexuality-Alliance-IGSA/591596804261445 IGSA

      What makes you think he is left wing and why does it matter what his political leaning is?

    • David Jenkins

      You have somehow completely missed the point. The BBC say left wing regarding Jeremy Corbyn but they do not say right-wing regarding David Cameron.

  • Pacificweather

    The poor old BBC just can’t win. The right wing thinks it’s left wing and the left wing think it’s right wing. The shift in the middle ground as taken it by surprise and it hasn’t worked out how to respond.

    • Wells

      Really? explain to me why the left is so enamoured with the BBC then if they think its “right wing”?

      • Pacificweather

        It’s the same old problem, they invited Nick Griffin on to Question Time. They keep Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn as presenters on the Daily Politics. Michael Portillo is never of the screen, Al these things have convinced the left that the BBC has become more than just an establishment organisation and has become a fifth columnist for the right wing.

        • wudyermucuss

          Exceptions prove the rule.
          One Griffin (an elected politician) appearance,that’s your evidence?
          And you misspelt Stephen Fry.

          • Pacificweather

            Michael Portillo is much prettier than Stephen Fry but he can’t tell a joke to save his life. Fortunately they have had several UKIP hopefuls on the BBC recently to keep aggravating the left.

        • Ralph

          The BNP only got one outing on QT were consistently out polling the Greens who got many. I would rather see neither but if the BBC is claiming to be impartial the BNP should have got more appearances.

          • Pacificweather

            Unfortunately for the BNP, Nick Griffin rather destroyed their vote and UKIP reaped the rewards so no need to repeat the exercise.

        • Cassandrina

          Portillo has got his train pass and out of real politics. Try another excuse.

          • Pacificweather

            By your definition of real politics most of UKIP should never be on the BBC. Naturally, that right wing organisation has them on all the time (far more often than the left wing Greens), especially the Daily and Sunday politics.

    • Malcolm Knott

      They could win, if they learned to play a straight bat. Unfortunately the BBC is in the grip of young metropolitans with minds firmly closed on topics like climate change, immigration and the EU. It doesn’t help that drama and light entertainment are full of lefties and the talk programmes generate ‘lively discussion’ by inviting disreputable nutters to share their thoughts with us.

      • Pacificweather

        That’s so strange, only yesterday the young metropolitan righties at the BBC were discussing topics like climate change, immigration and the EU. Never mind, you can catch them on iPlayer. You are correct to say they have had some disreputable nutters on their talk shows like Nick Griffin. It’s this compulsion the young metropolitan righties at the BBC have to be inclusive.

        • Malcolm Knott

          Can’t wait to catch up on iPlayer with the metropolitan righties. Which programme was it?

          • Pacificweather

            If you have only time for one watch the Daily Politics, The loathing for Jeremy Corbyn is palpable.

            • Dominic Stockford

              Ms Coburn gives the impression of loathing anyone with whom she doesn’t agree on everything.

              • Pacificweather

                Actually, that is one of the great attractions of the programme, watching her face as Andrew Neil interviews the guests – priceless.

            • The Masked Marvel

              “Red Andy” Marr isn’t any more favourable towards Corbyn. The left-wing establishment types at the BBC are afraid Corbyn will make Labour unelectable and keep the nasty Tories in power for another decade. That colours their ‘journalism’.

              • Pacificweather

                How can an organisation that wants a Blairite (what you would call electable) government be left wing. There isn’t a hairs breadth between Blair and Cameron on financial or social policy. Of course you may think the BBC is left wing because it favours a Cameron government but that’s more about your position in the political spectrum than the BBC’s.

                • The Masked Marvel

                  Cameron isn’t right wing. He is centre left, as was Blair, and the establishment elite who run the BBC are further left of centre, but establishment all the same. They share the same agenda on immigration and the EU because of who they are. It’s only coincidental that the BBC appear to be supporting the government line. They are still left wing.

                  No right wing organisation promotes people to high profile positions because of skin colour, genitalia, or religion, yet this is becoming standard practice at the BBC.

                  No right wing organisation would have produced the White Series of a few years ago. No right wing organisation would have its (former) Head of News state that the BBC had a liberal, pro-immigration bias. No right wing organisation would have had Nick Robinson make a faux apology about ‘getting it wrong’ on immigration. No right wing organisation would have so many comedy panel shows starring a host of exclusively left and farther left wing ‘edgy comedians’. No right wing organisation would have its Director of Digital Media promoting “Ding, Dong, the Witch Is Dead” (search for Ian McGarry) in celebration of Mrs. Thatcher’s death. No right wing organisation would have an editorial directive to infuse Warmism propaganda in news, comedy, and light entertainment.
                  The BBC have done all of these things, and much more.

                • Pacificweather

                  That’s good to know.

        • wudyermucuss

          Discussing doesn’t mean promoting.
          Inclusion doesn’t mean kangaroo court.

          • Pacificweather

            If only the righties understood that as well as you do.

      • The Masked Marvel

        Young metropolitans and middle-aged establishment Lefties. A large percentage of the rest are hard-Left.

    • Michael990

      Except of course that the left’s complaints, if they exist, are made tongue in cheek, knowing they are in the company of fellow travellers

      • Pacificweather

        You may like to think that but the left despise the BBC for its establishment protection as much as the right do. Fortunately for the BBC, the vast majority of centre ground are please to pay for it or its future would be in doubt.

    • wudyermucuss

      Yeah,but when the left say it,they’re not being truthful.

      • Pacificweather

        I deepest earnest I can assure you. Only the vast majority of the centre ground like the BBC.

    • The Masked Marvel

      It’s necessary to consider the quality of the complaints rather than the quantity, as the BBC would prefer you do. Any semblance of balance and impartiality fades when the actual complaints are examined.

      • Cassandrina

        Actual complaints? The BBC complaints division is not only 19th century but the biggest black hole in our universe.
        IF complaints were handled by the BBC in a professional 21st century manner, weeding out spurious complaints and revealing and addressing real complaints, the BBC would have a far better image than its current low level.

      • Pacificweather

        That is because the satisfied majority don’t complain. The left complain and the right complain but the majority middle ground are satisfied. One can hardly criticise any organisation that gives the majority of its customers what they want.

  • starfish

    One would have thought on the BBC the term ‘left-wing’ was a badge of honour

    Strangely they failed to use the more accurate term ‘barking mad Stalinist apologist for socialism’s failure and serial rebel who sucks up to the UK’s enemies’, still not very snappy I suppose

    Maybe they could now use the term ‘manhole admirer’?

    • Rush_is_Right

      “Manhole admirer” sounds too much like a homosexual.

      • diqi

        Apparently he is quite chaste though as he seem more interested in manhole coverings.

        • Cornelius Bonkers

          And Diane Abbott , er, forget that, it’s same thing…

      • Cornelius Bonkers

        Good god, you people see filth everywhere…

    • AndyTheScientist

      It’s a tricky balancing act for the BBC, they want to be on the side of the left wingers, but without actually pointing out that those left wingers are actually left wing, because clearly that would put off the electorate.

    • Bayesian_Rationalist

      Could you provide any evidence that Mr. Corbyn is a Stalinist, or is this just vacuous hyperbole?

    • Richard Baranov

      LOL!

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