That LinkedIn photograph has served Charlotte Proudman very well, hasn't it?

Gosh, she’s done well out of notoriety, has Charlotte Proudman. After emerging from entire obscurity after outing an older male barrister for inappropriate remarks about her photo on LinkedIn – I don’t need to remind you about it, do I? – this young lawyer has now come into her own as a columnist on the Guardian today. There was me, thinking she was safely in a university environment doing more sterling work on FGM. Which, obv, I’m against. I mean the practice, not Ms Proudman’s efforts to rid the world of it, which I don’t expect is going to change much.

And, wouldn’t you know it, she’s dissing Jonathan Sumption, Supreme Court Judge, for his observations in an interview with my Evening Standard colleague Martin Bentham to the effect that a) it’ll be half a century before there are equal numbers of male and female judges and b) this may be because women barristers don’t, in Sheryl Sandberg’s catchy phrase, lean in enough; in fact, some may actually lean right back when it comes to the relentless pursuit of preferment.

For Ms Proudman, Lord Sumption’s comments ‘encapsulate his deepest fears that power vested in the old boys’ network could come under siege’. Funny, that’s not how I read his observations in the interview; I just thought they were remarkably, rather bravely, frank, given the likelihood he’d get jumped on. I’m not sure Jonathan Sumption has much to be scared about, really; his deepest fears seem to be about quite other things.

The piece is, as you’ll have gathered from the quote, pretty well unreadable but that’s the point: it’s a choice example of a particular mindset expressed for the benefit of others with the same grievances against the world. Prudently she does not touch on her LinkedIn controversy except to observe that other female barristers have shared with her their experiences of having men make inappropriate remarks about their clothing only, in one case, to have the Bar Council dismiss this as ‘banter’. A response which she feels ‘acts to cement and seal women’s subordinate position in the law’.

Usefully though, her byline photograph is the one that created all the fuss in the first place. It’s done her lots of favours, one way and another. Because, God knows, she’s not going to make a career on the back of her prose.

TaggedCharlotte Proudman, Feminism, Jonathan Sumption, Lean In, legal, Sheryl Sandberg, The Guardian

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http://julianbrayrecessionbuster07944217476.blogspot.co.uk/ Julian Charles Bray

The jury is still out on Charlotte, its either a brilliant self PR campaign or something that Mock the Week could build a whole series on. Why does she not just set up her own chambers get on witgh the business of law and have done with the feminist claptrap, There are some fearsome women out there. I married two of them. The third? well that was my fault…
Mr B J Mann

ALLEGEDLY “inappropriate” remarks, surely?

Especially as she herself has said that s-xism is s-xism regardless of the context.

And she, herself, has passed remarks about men that appear vastly more serious than a compliment on the quality of a photo.

Or is she one of those injudicious and judgemental prejudiced femina,,,,ists who think that a woman can be as s-xist as she likes, but a man is being institutionally s-xist if he doesn’t say anything?!

But I digress:

Has she outed, named and sh*med, and reported to their employers and professional standards bodies yet the men who demanded a bikini shot of her and groped her?!?!!!
trace9

It doesn’t matter What you Say
If kicking balls is the Game you Play..

Well, almost.
john smith

Rather than her prized “professional attributes”, Charlotte Proudman will surely now be better known for her opportunistic, shamelessly self promoting hijacking of the once noble feminist cause.

Not only is it hypocritical to post an informal photo of one self on a professional website wearing lipstick and anything other than formal business wear, then complain that compliments received are not for “business purposes” (why post a photo at all on what is effectively an online C.V?). It is beyond the pale to then post the relatively harmless compliment in the public domain, under the guise of feminist outrage, in a transparent attempt to garner publicity for ones career at the expense of a respected lawyer and family man.

For her next stunt I fully expect to see Miss Proudman heaving the exhumed corpse of her great-great-great male ancestor into the public stocks, to face retribution for having inflicted such a gender specific surname onto her.

Proud-woman would probably be more apt.
- soysauce1
  
  As to her surname I think you will find it was Bailye before she decided to change it to Proud Man…she really is not fit for purpose.
Alan Brunstrom

I wouldn’t call receiving death threats and torrents of vicious abuse an example of being “served very well” by her photograph. As for the quality of her prose, I don’t find it much inferior to yours (and bear in mind that she’s a lawyer not a journalist). What she does lack is your snide tone, in which I detect more than a hint of jealousy. You come across as being annoyed that someone has “emerged from entire obscurity” to invade your space. As for the photo, well, your cartoon is your brand, that photo is hers. They serve the same purpose.
- soysauce1
  
  Delusional.
- Mr B J Mann
  
  Erm, the tools of a barristers trade are words and rhetoric.
  
  Oh, and discretion and confidentiality and respect of privacy.
  
  Oh, oh, and good judgement and judiciousness.
  
  Oh, oh, oh, and balance, a cool head, getting senior members of the profession on your side…..
  
  On oh, oh, oh, and she wouldn’t be the first spilt little girl caught out telling fibs.
  
  Or tr0lling themselves!
  
  And as for snide tone…..
  
  And if the photo is her brand, and as SHE “poked” HIM to “like” her marketing of her brand, why did she have a problem when he complimented her on the quality of her marketing.
  
  You’d never make it as a lawyer dear.
  
  So I’m not surprised you’ switched to a career as a media wh0re, Charlotte.
  
  And I claim my £5!
john smith

Rather than her prized “professional attributes”, Charlotte Proudman will surely now be better known for her opportunistic, shamelessly self promoting hijacking of the once noble feminist cause.

Not only is it hypocritical to post an informal photo of one self on a professional website wearing lipstick and anything other than formal business wear, then complain that compliments received are not for “business purposes” (why post a photo at all on what is effectively an online C.V?). It is beyond the pale to then post the relatively harmless compliment in the public domain, under the guise of feminist outrage, in a transparent attempt to garner publicity for ones career at the expense of a respected lawyer and family man.

For her next stunt I fully expect to see Miss Proudman heaving the exhumed corpse of her great-great-great male ancestor into the public stocks, to face retribution for having inflicted such a gender specific surname onto her.

Proud-woman would probably be more apt.
Parkmeister

She may have a short term career in the media out of this but it’s hard to imagine her getting many instructions as a barrister.
Chingford Man

Better just to laugh at her. She probably can take hostility more easily than mockery.
4045

CP is not making friends in the legal profession. Who would want her to represent them in an important case.
imbenfogle

ITT: insecure old men
William_Brown

“…Because, God knows, she’s not going to make a career on the back of her prose”.

Or at the bar, I shouldn’t wonder. Silly little girl.
http://english-pensioner.blogspot.co.uk/ english_pensioner

It seems unlikely to me that we will ever get as many women into senior jobs as men because the pool of women available to fill such posts is far less. Contrary to the views of feminists, there are a large number of women who put their home and family first, and who, even if they do work, have no desire to take on a stressful job.

My daughters are both very well qualified, the elder has a doctorate from LSE. She works part time as a senior administrator, has no desire for promotion. Indeed, she has recently agreed a reduction in working hours rather than having a pay rise. My younger daughter now works part-time from home as it fits in with school arrangements, etc. She has been sought by headhunters for better jobs, but the present arrangement suits her.
I believe this is typical of many women; both my daughters would be capable of filling more senior posts but prefer to put home and family first. Whilst this attitude exists, the job number equality sought by the feminists will never exist.
sunnydayrider

The reason she’s done well out of it that supposedly responsible publications like The Speccy give her column inches. Just what does the editor consider a slow news day?
Frigoletto

The reason there’s an under representation of women (and non-White, straight, conservative, public school educated men) at the top of a profession designed and run by white, straight, conservative, public school educated men is because women don’t lean in enough?

Yes I suppose it’s a theory.
Frigoletto

How did her photo serve her well? What served her well was the press hysteria about her complaint about some perve who didn’t realise that linked in wasn’t tinder.
- Clive
  
  How is he being a ‘perve’ fancying a woman ?
  
  Whatever the appropriateness or otherwise of this ridiculously overblown interaction, it is not perverted.
- Mr B J Mann
  
  LinkedIn is a social networking site for self-promotion.
  
  She “poked” him and asked him to “like” her personal marketing page, headed up with a stunning self-promotional photo and help her promote it.
  
  Which he did, complimenting her on it.
  
  There, fixed that for you, Charlotte!
Frigoletto

It’s bad enough that when you point out sexism the online misogynists and sexist tabloids do a hatchet job on you to preserve the status quo, but when women who really ought to know better jump in the bandwagon you know things are worse than you thought.
- Mr B J Mann
  
  Has she pointed out the names of the men who asked for a bikini shot and groped her yet?!
  
  Or weren’t they s-xist and misogynist enough to deserve naming and shaming?!
- Mr B J Mann
  
  You are Charlotte Proudman and I claim my £5!
- William_Brown
  
  How do you feel about her objectifying young “hot” (sic) men on her Facebook page?
stag

She sounds like a dreadful feminist prig.
jeffersonian

‘Usefully though, her byline photograph is the one that created all the fuss in the first place. It’s done her lots of favours, one way and another. Because, God knows, she’s not going to make a career on the back of her prose.’

…but I can see a ‘career’ as a Labour party hack beckoning…
Redrose82

Having just seen, for the first time, her appearance on channel 4, i would like to say that if I ever need a barrister I will not be looking for Ms Proudman.
KilowattTyler

It seems perfectly clear: Send anyone with strong feminist views to Coventry. If there is no interaction between them and anyone else (or at least between them and men) there can be no accusations of flirting or other ‘inappropriateness’.
- Chingford Man
  
  Or send them to some enriched parts of Germany or Sweden so they can be educated by events.
KilowattTyler

There is actually a rather simple explanation as to why the gender balance of judges will take some time to match that of newly-qualified lawyers.
The average age of first appointment for judges is around 56; this means that the pool of potential recruits consists in the main of those who graduated in the 1970s, when most law graduates were men.
John M

I don’t know. What with the media storm she generated, plus her rather pathetic interview on Channel 4, I would expect she’s made herself largely unemployable.
Wildflowers

For those who missed her car crash interview on Newsnight…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RvoqX3U7Q0
- MC73
  
  Thanks for the link. That haircut makes her look like a mental. Carter Silk was correct in saying the linkedin photo was a good job!
Donafugata

The hypocrisy of women like this is that while all the time complaining and whining about how vile and sexist men are, they are secretly quite flattered.

If you fall in love every time you look in the mirror, you expect all mankind to worship you too.

Then when someone does have the courage to say you look nice ( his comment was hardly pornographic) you turn on them, make a stink and thereby get even more attention.

Men who would drool should also be very wary of such women.
Helen Ring

The question is, would he have sent the same email to a man? I doubt it very much. If he just wanted to connect with her for business purposes then there was no need to comment on her photo. He knows his comment was inappropriate it, he states that himself.

I remember getting a job offer when I was much younger. The man who interviewed me, and who I had to work alongside, spent the next 5 years staring at my breasts and sexually harassing me. He then admitted he gave me the job because I was most the most attractive person he interviewed. Some will probably say I should have been flattered, but I too felt insulted and would rather get a job on my abilities than my looks.

Should she have gone public with it? It’s not what I would have done myself, but I can understand her frustration.
- 2trueblue
  
  You stayed for 5yrs. Why? There is no comparison. Were you on a 5yr contract? If not why did you tolerate his behaviour?
  - Helen Ring
    
    Several reasons. At first I felt sorry for him. He had never been married, had few friends and seemed very lonely. Then I went through a stage of believing it was, in some way, my fault. I did look for other jobs but it was during a time when jobs were hard to come by and I could not just leave as I had a mortgage to pay.
    
    I did eventually make a formal complaint about him, but it was my word against his and no action was taken. Eventually I cracked under the strain and got signed off from work with clinical depression. I never went back.
    - 2trueblue
      
      I am sorry to hear that someone made your life a misery to the extent that they drove you out, one way or another. This sort of behavior is unacceptable and today would not be tolerated.
- No Man’s Land
  
  The guy is clearly an oaf, I think her reaction to it and the twitter storm that followed was unnecessary. It’s a question of proportionality.
- Makroon
  
  I believe she is on record as making several “sexist remarks” about young male lawyers she found attractive.
- Mr B J Mann
  
  “He knows his comment was inappropriate it, he states that himself.”
  
  How?
  
  If the female selector for the English Women’s Cricket Team had said to a player:
  
  “I appreciate that this is probably horrendously politically incorrect, but that is a stunning bowling action, nearly as good as a man’s”:
  
  Would that be proof that she was being s-xist and misogynistic, and objectifying and er0ticising the bowler, flirting with her and trying to pull her?!
  
  Especially if the bowler was 27 and the selector 57?!?!?
ManOfKent

She played for it. His comments were nowhere near the most inappropriate (some apparently asked for dates for example). So she was clearly trying to make a name for herself and sadly our twisted liberal left are giving her a platform for her personal agenda whatever that may be.
- 2trueblue
  
  She thought she would take a more senior scalp? She may think it is smart right now, but not smart enough to see the consequences down the line.
Frank

You have to listen her to fully appreciate how intellectually half-baked she is. If she is the face of feminism, then feminism is probably doomed.
- Robert_Eve
  
  Here’s hoping!!
Caractacus

Just goes to show. Never pin your hopes on Marilyn Monroe. Underneath the make up they have the personality of Nora Batty.
aristophanes

Please will someone explain – but isn’t commissioning such a photograph and posting it up a form of ‘objectification’?
Why did she do that and approach an elderly solicitor asking if she could be linked up?
Did she think what might happen?
fred finger

I see a big job offer from ‘Liberty’ looming large.
Mr B J Mann

Have the police tracked down the s-xist, misogynist b’stards who threatened to k!ll her yet?

Or are we going to find she’s one of those sad, strange, obsessives that troll themselves?!
Mr B J Mann

Has she outed, and named and shamed, the evil lawyer who demanded a bikini shot of her before considering her for a teenage work experience post yet?

How about the even more evil lawyer who groped her when she was a teenaged intern?

Has she reported them to their employers?

Or their professional standards bodies?!

As she did with Carter-Silk?!

Or do their “crimes” pale into insignifiance alongside his “objectification” and “3roticisation” of her PHOTO?!?!?!!
Colonel Mustard

Ghastly woman.
- Tim Reed
  
  Modern feminist. Standard.
  - No Man’s Land
    
    They’ll implode under the pressure of reality. In the 70s there were schools of feminist schools of thought which believed men and women should live separately on different hemispheres of Earth.
    The current wave have accused Germaine Greer of sexism; it’s so ludicrous it can’t become mainstream or survive.
    I’d say nothing to worry about, move on, but in the meantime they’re dragging people’s names through the mud. That being said he was an idiot and unprofessional, I just don’t think a campaign to ruin him is at all fair.
  - telemachus
    
    What Charlotte reports is nothing short of disgraceful
    *
    
    “Over the past fortnight lawyers from around the world have contacted me to share their experiences of sexism. One woman told me that after negotiating a multimillion-pound deal, she was told by her boss that it is unbelievable what “a good bottom” can achieve. In a similar vein, the sexism suffered by women barristers and judges was detailed in the Bar Council report. This included pushing female lawyers into “women’s work” such as family law; an absence of support for lawyers who want to balance career and caring responsibilities; and comments about their physical appearance.
    
    One woman judge was quoted in the report as stating that a male member of the judiciary “made an inappropriate comment about my clothing and touched me a couple of times which I felt was unnecessary and over-familiar”. But instead of condemning such behaviour as sexist, the Bar Council chairman described it as “banter”. This failure to acknowledge the nature of sexism in the legal profession acts to cement and seal women’s subordinate position in the law. ”
    *
    This is almost on a par with
    “She did not really mean no”
    - WFC
      
      In a similar vein, the sexism suffered by women barristers and judges was detailed in the Bar Council report. This included pushing female lawyers into “women’s work” such as family law;
      
      This has, traditionally been true. Not all that many men want to do this, and Clerks have, traditionally, steered women pupils into this. But nothing and nobody forces them to continue doing it when they are tenants.
      
      an absence of support for lawyers who want to balance career and caring responsibilities;
      
      But this is nonsense. Barristers are self-employed. It is for each individual barrister to decide what (s)he wants his or her “balance” to be.
      
      and comments about their physical appearance.
      
      It is true to say that barristers are not trappist monks. Nor do they tend to be humourless puritans (well … not the ones who are actually practicing, and building a career: as opposed to (say) doing a post-grad degree at Cambridge).
      
      Barristers’ mindsets tend more to the anarchist than the pursed-lipped.
      - telemachus
        
        You fully underline Charlottes points
        It is the mindset of the wole legal setup including controlling Clerks who dole out the work and the referral process
        I hope Carter Silk gets a bloody nose
        
        jonkle
        
        What punishment would you personally recommend for Carter Silk ?
        
        Mr B J Mann
        
        He’s already said a bloody nose.
        
        So a v!olent s-xist pig!
        
        WFC
        
        I have to say that Cambridge is welcome to her.
        
        I really don’t think that I would feel “comfortable” in any working environment which little Miss Congeniality felt comfortable in.
        
        telemachus
        
        I guess she will be glad of that
        
        WFC
        
        Excellent.
        
        Everyone’s happy.
        
        Mr B J Mann
        
        Don’t worry: with any luck she’ll have more than her share of the dole soon enough!
    - Mr B J Mann
      
      “Over the past fortnight lawyers from around the world have contacted me to share their experiences of sexism.”
      
      So she had to go overseas to find a second example to allow her to use the plural!
      - telemachus
        
        The universal view in my constituency is “Good for her”
        
        Mr B J Mann
        
        So you chat to her over the fence then!
        
        nicnac
        
        All too believable. I can see it in my mind’s eye now and I’m having a chuckle.
        
        Mr B J Mann
        
        I thought inmates weren’t allowed the vote?
    - colchar
      
      So anecdotal evidence equals absolute proof in your world?
- 2trueblue
  
  You had better say “person”, things being as they are!
- telemachus
  
  As usual, a well argued polemic
  *
  - Colonel Mustard
    
    Ghastly troll.
ill-liberal

He said the photo was nice. She had clearly made a big effort to get a professional shot done. It was pleasant, and he never said anything about fancying her. Why would he ?? She looks like Marjorie Dawes.
- Shinsei1967
  
  He said it was a stunning photo, not “nice” and the best he had ever seen on LinkedIn. And although the photo was technically better than most photos on LInkedIn it clearly wasn’t the best ever, so one can pretty well assume he was flirting with her.
  - Greenslime
    
    I assume that you have killed someone so I should hang you?
    - Shinsei1967
      
      You have no evidence that I have shot anyone. I have offered evidence that the lawyer was flirting with Proudman namely that he described her marginally above average photo as “stunning’ and “the best he had ever seen”.
      
      “Ladies and gentleman of the jury do you honestly think this lawyer was only commenting on the technical merits of this pretty young woman’s photo.”
      - Alexsandr
        
        so. why sould he not flirt? Is flirting against the law now, F F S
        
        ?
      - Colonel Mustard
        
        Well, even if he was flirting and even if she took it to be that she could have simply rebuffed him privately. It’s not like every act of flirting in history has ended in rape or that every woman who has ever been flirted with has been emotionally scarred.
        
        Her reaction was crass and exploitative.
        
        Alexsandr
        
        quite alot of women who have been flirted at have ended up getting married!
        
        Mr B J Mann
        
        Are you sayin that’s r*pe or pr0st!tution?!?!?!
  - 2trueblue
    
    Depends on your view point as to whether it was stunning or not.
    The individual in question went to all the trouble of getting herself ready for a professional photographer and then choosing one of the photos to upload on her LinkedIn post. The effort and expense were rewarded with a positive comment and then she complains. What is her problem? Seems to me she was enjoying herself too much. If she is not mature enough to know whether there is a problem or not, if there was just cause to involve others, then she definitely lacks maturity and judgement. She may also be in the wrong profession.
    - Shinsei1967
      
      ill-liberal had stated that the lawyer said the photo was “nice” whereas he had clearly used the much more emphatic “stunning”.
      
      Plenty of firms use professional photographers to shoot photos of their employees for company website, corporate literature and social media. I have no idea if this was the case with Proudman but one shouldn’t assume anything untoward by a professional looking photo.
      - 2trueblue
        
        Well that explains everything. We have all read it wrong. He said IT was a stunning photograph, so can one assume that he was complimenting the photographer? Maybe he was trying to find out who the photographer was so that he could use them.
      - Mr B J Mann
        
        As I’ve discussed earlier in more detail, out of a survey of about a hundred LinkedIn profile photos only two looked like they were definitely professionally done, one being of a CEO looking like it was for the annual report.
        
        Mr B J Mann
        
        And it was she that “poked” him to “like” and promote her personal marketing page.
        
        But whether she was touting for work from him, or getting him to help her tout for work from others, it would appear from a comment I’ve seen recently on a legal site that not so long ago this wasn’t permitted, and is still frowned upon now.
        
        It looks more and more like she wasn’t worried about burning her boats behind her and didn’t care if she got another case, as she was looking to get some good case studies for her thesis on exploitation of women and violence against females and then start a new career in politics and the media.
        
        Is it any wonder she got so angry when all she got was one measly compliment.
        
        And that on her photo, and not her looks!
    - Redrose82
      
      If you watch her performance on Channel 4 you will see that she most definitely is in the wrong profession.
  - Freddythreepwood
    
    Should have gone to Specsavers.
  - ill-liberal
    
    I disagree. If he’d have said ‘you look stunning in your photo’ I could somewhat see the point, and even then it’s mildly creepy at worst. But he didn’t, he said it was a stunning photo. She’d made a big effort with it and to most people a compliment is a nice way to start communicating, both professionally and privately. The ‘best ever’ bit comes across as a bit patronising, maybe, but again. Plus the wording suggests she’d sent the initial invite to connect, so he’d presume she was looking to get off on the right foot and a pleasant introduction would put her at ease.
    
    This really seems like she’s been waiting for the opportunity to do this, or that she’s a complete lunatic like the Viz character, Millie Tant. It’s a absolute nonsense even if he was flirting, never mind this.
    - Shinsei1967
      
      I’m sure you’re right that she has been waiting for just such an opportunity. I also think her reaction was wholly over the top.
      
      However, I think it is fairly clear that lawyer was doing more than commenting on the technical qualities of the photo.
      
      “Brilliant photo” or “excellent photo” might have been a suitable way of complimenting her on a well-taken photo without the clear flirting overtones. However “stunning” is a word with flirtatious meaning.
      - Alexsandr
        
        even if he said ‘Phwoar’ to her its still legal. If she doesnt want comments on her appearance dont put a photo on social meeja.
        
        Colonel Mustard
        
        Wolf whistling is the new rape.
        
        fundamentallyflawed
        
        Whereas actual rape is a culturally sensitive topic…
        
        Jambo25
        
        Thinking about wolf whistling is the new rape now that the femo thought police have got going.
      - 2trueblue
        
        Checking out the photo that pops up when you put her name in the computer and the one for LinkedIn, the latter photograph is stunning, and very flattering.
        
        Donafugata
        
        And being vain, she wouldn’t have published an unflattering photo.
        
        I bet this woman wouldn’t open the door to the postman unless she had her lipstick on.
        
        2trueblue
        
        But we all now know that even she thinks that she needs to have her photograph taken professionally to promote herself. She has now got herself a lot of attention, and she may not care for the results.
      - Andrew Smith
        
        Oh come on, do you weigh your every word when writing each and every off-the-cuff e-mail for its possible implications?
        
        Shinsei1967
        
        This exchange doesn’t need its every word carefully weighed for its immediate effect to be wholly inappropriate. I don’t know a singl eone of my 40 something professional peers who don’t think otherwise.
        
        The vast majority also agree, as I do, that her response was also inappropriate.
      - ill-liberal
        
        I agree there is a leaning towards flirtatious, in fairness, but that’s just how lot’s of people are, women included. I know he wasn’t just impressed with the use of soft focus. But I maintain that it was most likely intended as a genuine compliment to someone who seemed to be putting effort into getting them. There’s a big stride between flirtatious and some sort of sexual threat. Anyway, doesn’t seem we’re too far apart on this. Just feel sorry for the silly old b#gger !!
  - ButcombeMan
    
    These are lawyers,never assume anything, it is a good photo, well lit and looks professional, he was right
  - Colonel Mustard
    
    Flirting is unacceptable now?
    - aristophanes
      
      Highly dangerous, Colonel. Only females are allowed to do it. Some of them make a lot of money on the television by flirting with married footballers.
      
      BTW
      If you open a door for a female that can be construed as ‘patronising behaviour entrenching patriarchal social systems.’
      If you do not open the door, you are a ‘typical selfish male pushing forward to the detriment of females.’
      - Seadog
        
        F**k em all, f**k em all, the long and the short and the tall. That’s what they were made for, isn’t it?
        
        aristophanes
        
        ‘You might very well think that; I couldn’t possibly comment”. 🙂
        
        Seadog
        
        Oh yes, Aristophanes. But I am a Spartan, and to me actions speak louder than words. Woof woof!
        
        aristophanes
        
        Laconic !
      - Frank Marker
        
        That’s the eternal dilemma for the male isn’t it. What do women want!
  - ManOfKent
    
    Well that’s it lets abolish flirting over the age of 40 then shall we? It seems to me the miserable witch picked on the most senior person available to her (not the one who made the most inappropriate proposals, there were those asking for a date for example) presumably to cause a stir and get herself some publicity.
  - ACN
    
    Was that a Bri-Nylon wig she was wearing?
  - Mr B J Mann
    
    He didn’t say it was the best ever, he said it was the best he had seen, and most he had were selfies, or something like that.
    
    I did a quick survey of about a hundred profiles and around a fifth didn’t have photos, almost all the photos were selfies/ passport/ holiday/ party/ sports/ family/ pets/ work environment (sometimes without the person in it!) and one cartoon, and hardly more than half a dozen that could have been specially shot, though equally they could have been a lucky decent likeness cropped from an ordinary photo with a plain of suitable backdrop.
    
    Only a couple out of a hundred or so looked like they were professionally shot, and one of those was of a CEO, probably for the annual report.
  - aristophanes
    
    Perhaps it was the best that he had seen
    and so your assumption is perhaps unconvincing.
Greenslime

We’ve got a bad case here. It looks like this individual was ignored or otherwise disadvantaged as a child and is now determined to make sure that this is not repeated in adulthood. God help us if this person eventually becomes a judge because, if you are male and not of some minority, you can just here them shouting, “bring the next guilty b’stard in!’
- Sausage McMuffin
  
  Happens already, it’s called, not without irony, the Family Division.
Hamburger

I would like to make an inappropriate comment about her politics, I won´t because it would be rude.