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Porn and video games: more hysteria about ‘rewiring brains’

11 May 2015

11:00 PM

11 May 2015

11:00 PM

Here we go again. What effect do you think watching porn and video games have on young men? Yup, they rewire the brain.

It’s such a clumsy metaphor – the brain isn’t ‘wired’ in any meaningful sense – that you’d think psychologists and neuroscientists would run a mile from it. Unless, of course they’re Baroness Greenfield, who is a fellow of Lincoln College, Oxford. She was director of the Royal Institution until her post was abolished in 2010, ‘amid claims that there was almost no other way to get rid of her’ (thank you, Wikipedia).

Susan Greenfield’s evidence-light claims about the neurological dangers of digital technology have exposed her to much mockery in the scientific community – I recommend this Guardian article that offers a ‘handy guide to writing your own Susan Greenfield article that will be indistinguishable from the real thing’.

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Now the Independent has run a piece under the headline: ‘Porn and video game addiction leading to ‘masculinity crisis’, says Stanford prison experiment psychologist’. Step forward Phillip Zimbardo, whose experiment asked students to play the roles of guards and prisoners and had to be cut short because the ‘guards’ were turning into sadists. That was in 1971. Just saying.

Anyway, Zimbardo identifies World of Warcraft (it’s always World of Warcraft) as an ‘addictive’ video game. He’s also alarmed that, thanks to watching pornography, ‘young boys who should be virile are now having a problem getting an erection. This he attributes to porn-induced erectile dysfunction, or PIED, which the Indy admits is a ‘disputed phenomenon’.

You bet it’s disputed. The article links to, but does not quote, a post by the clinical psychologist Dr David Ley in Psychology Today. He points out that ‘a review of Pubmed, the largest online database of medical literature, reveals that there is not a single published study linking pornography and erectile dysfunction’. He adds:

It is frankly surprising to many of us that one quarter to one third of young men may experience erectile dysfunction. But, I think that the surprise about these rates is likely tied to the fact that throughout history, this wasn’t something that was researched, or disclosed by young men. So, any report of ED in young men is surprising, because we have long believed that this just doesn’t happen to young men.

Do read the whole of Ley’s piece. I’m not saying some young men don’t have trouble getting it up because they’ve watched too much porn, and that the ultra-realistic nature of digital pornography can’t mess up boys’ sexual encounters with real, imperfect and not insatiably submissive girls. Also, both porn and war games can turn into addictions – in the loose sense of the word, which is the only satisfactory one, since addiction is not a disease.

I once wrote a book about addiction in which – I can’t be bothered to check – I may have been naive enough to use the same imagery as Lady Greenfield. But it makes me wince to read Prof Zimbardo, as quoted in the Independent: ‘What I’m saying is – boys’ brains are becoming digitally rewired‘ (my despairing emphasis). This is the sort of dumbing-down we expect of tabloid ‘medical correspondents’, not an emeritus professor of Stanford University.

 


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  • Ed  

    There’s a statistically significant correlation between the increase in availability of pr0n, going back to the introduction of the VCR, and the decline in violent sexual crimes. Maybe pr0n is a good thing for society…..

  • rtj1211

    1. Is Baroness Greenfield a secret dominatrice?
    2. Does she like weak men?
    3. What percentage of women are actual submissives in real-life sexual situations?
    4. What percentage of men are actual submissives in real-life sexual situations?
    5. Have those percentages changed during the internet era?

  • Joseph Hooker

    I nearly went blind in the 70’s luckily Mary Whitehouse ran a campaign to ban those magazines. I just got away with pebble lens glasses and an arm like a fiddler crab..

  • Kennybhoy

    “…I can’t be bothered to check…”

    No so much difference between you and Baroness Greenfield et al then…? :-)

  • Kennybhoy

    “”I’m not saying some young men don’t have trouble getting it up because they’ve watched too much p*rn, and that the ultra-realistic nature of digital p*rnography can mess up boys’ sexual encounters with real, imperfect and not insatiably submissive girls. Also, both p*rn and war games can turn into addictions – in the loose sense of the word, which is the only satisfactory one, since addiction is not a disease.

    I once wrote a book about addiction in which – I can’t be bothered to check – I may have been naive enough to use the same imagery as Lady Greenfield.”

    This peice of *rse covering would seem to rob your article of much of it’s point…?

  • Kennybhoy
  • Stephen Milroy

    These are the same people who said horror films in the 80’s made people into serial killers. The more things change, the more they stay the same…

    • cartimandua

      There have actually been killings linked . One of the most chilling was what Jamie Bulgers killers watched and then what they “did”.
      You just don’t want to normalize cruelty.

      • Shatterface

        They hadn’t watched the film the media said they had and there was nothing in that film which in any way resembles what they did.

        Still, your recycling of a story long debunked proves the media does have some effect on the weak minded.

      • Mc

        Think about causation and correlation for a moment, never mind some basic logic: how many people watch violent films or read violent books versus how many killers claim to have killed after consuming violent media?

    • ArsenicSpritzer

      They said the same about heavy metal music and Dungeons and Dragons. It’s the same old scaremongering kooks trying to control society with the same old tired tactics. And no matter how much we laugh at them, they persist. Sadly, it seems we will always be stuck with these societal pests, like ants invading a picnic. All we can do is shoo them away and try to enjoy ourselves until they crawl back into their little holes in the ground.

      • grimm

        I’m not sure there is that much control going on. To me it looks like hackademics latching on to a current popular trend and claiming that it is leading to societal decay and moral degeneracy (always popular issues with the tabloids). There is money to be made and fame to be claimed.

  • Zanderz

    This is probably Damian’s worst article yet. Basically, his implied argument seems to be ‘we can’t put the p or n genie back in it’s box, therefore we’ll just say it isn’t a problem’.

  • avi15

    When did Mr Thompson write this article? After he had just been to the pub? If anyone is guilty of ‘dumbing down’, he is.

    • Kennybhoy

      Not so much dumbed down as very narrowly focussed regarding the aspect of this issue he chose to address.

  • cartimandua

    There is tons of evidence from many different disciplines and researchers which point to their being problems with the new environment we have created.

    Even Evolution tells us we adapt to environments and genetics is now telling us we adapt much faster than we ever thought.

    Males in particular are being denied the time they need to practice reading other people.

    They are faced with endless academic hurdles and their social lives are often online too.

    Yes there are studies linking po** use , erectile dysfunction , aggression and perversion . You could always try actually asking experts in the field at the Portman.

    They are quite clear there is a huge problem with boundaries, sexual violence, and risk taking behaviours.
    And what is Damian Ts area of expertise? It isn’t psychology or neuroscience is it.

    • Jeffrey Vernon

      And what is *your* area of expertise? It isn’t psychology or neuroscience is it.

      If only experts were allowed to comment, let me tell you what would happen; complete paralysis! Real experts can only explain their data to you, and why it differs from other people’s. They cannot – and should not – tell you what to do on the assumption that the data are true.

      • Mc

        Cartimandua is a perfect illustration of “can’t fix stupid”.

  • Crazy_O

    Thanks to the media, creating a family and being a provider isn’t only needed anymore to validate yourself as a men, it’s oftentimes ridiculed. As a young man myself – it’s the best life you could ever have. Work for yourself, play video games and date around with no real responsibilities. At my age my father had to pay for 2 children a house and a car. No thanks.

    • Cyril Sneer

      Then one day you’ll grow up, have kids and realise that’s why you’re here – for them, your children.

      • Cole Pram

        I’m with both of you actually. I’m married, play video games, have a job, house, wife and a kid. At my age my Dad had already been married, divorced (not his fault), payed alimony and had four kids.

        Enjoy being young and doing your own thing, but totally agree I live for my wife and daughter. I can’t imagine getting out of bed in the morning if it wasn’t for them… mostly because my daughter bounces on me at 5:30AM and my wife kicks me out of bed so she can sleep till 9…

  • Josh Cook

    If your telling me that young people don’t spend too much time online and to little time with real people. Then you are wrong.

    There is quite a lot of evidence that it’s becoming a problem.

    • Kennybhoy

      Aye. The notion that constant exposure to internet p*rn or violence elicits neurological change isnt even psuedo-science it’s mumbo jumbo. Maister Thompson chose a sitting target here.That, as Callypigian writes so eloquently above, it has appalling psychological and spiritual effects is another matter entirely and one which one might have expected a writer such as Maister Thompson to have addressed.

      • cartimandua

        You don’t know any neuroscience do you? The brain keeps building itself until the mid 20s.
        What you learn during the period of neural pruning you learn.
        Do you seriously want your daughter going out with boys who think all women “like” being hurt?

        • Kennybhoy

          Too much Doidge Mistress C! lol

          Seriously.

          “A little learning is a dangerous thing;
          drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
          there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
          and drinking largely sobers us again.”

        • Jeffrey Vernon

          This leaves you with a problem. If the brain STOPS adapting in your mid-20s, how do you ever learn anything afterwards? Since pruning begins before birth and continues into adulthood, when is the critical window for learned responses to videos and so on? The structure of synapses can only explain so much.

  • Brian Hall

    Oy vey, stupid moral panic that men aren’t doing all the work.

    How about you fix gender relationships so there is fairness and equality for men and boys in society rather than whining they won’t participate as sub-humans?

    There’s anything but a masculinity crisis. Masculinity is quite happy not to participate with the rest of society until it is on fair and equitable terms.

    • Feminister

      Lol. You’re a card aren’t you

      • Brian Hall

        You bet.

  • ardenjm

    “Just google it.”

    The science may not be settled but the zeitgeist has been for some time…

  • Mc

    The Times has a particular beef over the p*** issue. Whenever challenged to provide solid scientific evidence to substantiate their articles, their journalists refuse to respond, or they block one. Bottom line, most “science” journalists don’t have the intellect, logic or integrity to write sound articles. To the best of my knowledge, none of the studies quoted by these moral panickers have been verified via re-performance or systematic reviews. Never mind that these studies’ claims are dubious and lacking context.

    • cartimandua

      The entire body of neuroscience and neurobiology is behind the “panickers”. The effects are obvious to anyone working with kids or in mental health.
      Unless you are trying to tell us people don’t learn.
      You are on a loser with that one.

      • Mc

        We’ve had this discussion before and when you decline to answer my specific questions, it confirms that you don’t have the most basic scientific or logical comprehension and possibly that you know you’re wrong. Unlike you, I prefer to base my opinions on rigorous scientific studies.

        For your benefit, I’ll ask the key, unambiguous questions again:
        (1) Please provide links showing that the studies on which you rely were confirmed via reperformance (apparently, a recent sample of up to 60% of scientific studies outside of the p*** field didn’t generate the same results when re-performed. I’m guessing p*** studies will have even more dire reperformance stats)
        ( 2) Please provide links confirming that the studies’ rigour and conclusions were validated via systematic reviews
        (3) Please provide links that show the context of the studies’ conclusions. For example, is self-pleasuring with the aid of p*** as “harmful” as: p***less self-pleasuring, OCD, ADHD, being highly strung, work stress, relationship stress, everyday repetitive tasks, etc?

        Please don’t just link through to the same studies and polls as you’ve done in the past, as that doesn’t address my questions.

        • cartimandua

          Go look up yourself the study out of Cambridge (2014) which looked at po** use and used f MRIs to do it.

          The link will not post but it is absolutely available online.

          • Mc

            As I pointed out, you continue to refuse to answer my questions and simply point me to studies that don’t address my three questions; questions that form the starting point for any credible scientific assertion. Therefore you’re completely discredited.

            I’ve previously looked at that study and many others and none of them address my three questions.

            The scientific and logical basis for your opinions is as valid as homeopathy or voodoo. Claiming that a study is rigorous because it was conducted at Cambridge using fMRI is a logical fallacy known as “Appeal to Authority”. Homeopaths rely on exactly the same logical fallacy, claiming their studies are conducted by scientists in labs, using scientific equipment.

          • Jeffrey Vernon

            I just searched Pubmed, the science abstracts database. I can’t find the study you refer to, reported by Cambridge or anyone else, but let’s assume it was published. The problem is that fMRI has very low resolution – it only tells you which areas of the brain are changing their oxygen demand in response to some stimulus (e.g watching a video). It cannot tell you anything about ‘rewiring’, and unless you repeat the experiment a few months later, the permanence or otherwise of the rewiring is an open question. Claims are sometimes made for connectivity between areas that light up at the same time – but these are statistical associations (Look! they both lit up!) rather than demonstrations of information flow between parts of the brain. fMRI is not pointless, but it cannot answer the questions that you are interested in.

            As a general point – the entire community of neuroscientists cannot agree on anything at all, even apparently simple questions like ‘what is the cause of Alzheimer’s Disease’ or ‘Does Prozac treat depression.’ There is certainly no consensus (or even any great interest) in the effect of videos on neuronal structure.

      • Kennybhoy

        First sentence is incorrect. The rest is correct.

  • Blindsideflanker

    If p*** rewires men’s minds, then so does trash romance novels rewire women’s minds giving them a twisted view of romance.

    • JSC

      This seems a far more likely hypothesis than the ones mentioned in the article!

    • Feminister

      Yeah we grew up thinking men weren’t p*rn addicted sociopaths. Then the Internet happened and we got a window into your souls.

      • wudyermucuss

        That’s misandry,right there.
        And she’s proud of it.

      • Blindsideflanker

        Clearly your cultural education has been lacking, ever seen Rubens nudes? And I presume you are such a short ar55e you have not been able to see the girly magazines on the top shelf . Playboy was founded in 1950’s .

        But it seems your sisterhood has let the Feminazi side down, for in perceiving that men respond to visual symbols, they have been investing fortunes in make up for thousands of years in order to catch a man’s eye.

      • Cyril Sneer

        Congrats you’re a sexist pig.

        • Callipygian

          No she isn’t: she’s responding to what YOU ALL say about yourselves. And it’s not admirable. Or loveable. So live with the consequence of that — or change.

          • 30characters

            She is being blatantly sexist and your effort to somehow claim that this is a response to something men have said about themselves is equally sexist.

          • Kennybhoy

            Yes she is. She is not responding to specific comments here but , on past form, making a general philosophical statement. She is a misandrist and a fascist of the first water.

      • Kennybhoy

        Just when I thought Ambientereal was bad, you come along and prove that there is always something/someone worse…

      • http://batman-news.com keithjowitt

        Erm, she’s sort of right. But what the hey. Chicks sit around feeling each others’ pain, so we pretty much balance each other out. Which is the whole idea. Yay.

      • Leftyliesrefuted

        Ah, “sociopath”, the new(ish) word used by Guardianistas to indicate their disapproval. And, like a true Guardinista, you don’t actually know what it means, do you?

        😉

      • ArsenicSpritzer

        We grew up thinking women should be placed on pedestals. That they should be afforded a level of respect and deference that they neither earned nor deserved, yet felt absolutely entitled to it. Then 3rd wave feminism happened and we learned that so many of you spoiled little princesses were nothing more than egomaniacal pigs with one hand out to the government and the other desperately searching for a man’s pocket to loot.

        Thankfully, more and more men are wising up and putting an end to the feminist free ride. The day will come when you’ll actually have to earn your keep instead of having it provided to you. Then you’ll truly be screwed.

    • Ambientereal

      Surely it does. Romance novels did a lot of damege to the long term marriage couples, because women expected a long term romantic behavior from men. Men “play” romantic while seducing, but later they show their real character,.

      • Kennybhoy

        Speak for yourself man….

      • Callipygian

        And your real character is…? Come on, we’re all ears.

        • Ambientereal

          Men, hetero, 67, married, more devoted to sports or politics than romance. Just like most of my friends.

  • David Ley PhD

    Great article. That Zimbardo interview really irritated me, so full of sexist, technophobic and racist rants, without a shred of science or evidence. It’s very amusing therefor to find myself invoked to challenge it.
    cheers.
    david ley

    • cartimandua

      Studies out of Cambridge and Germany prove him right.

      • Jeffrey Vernon

        Citation, please? And why do two studies overturn all the others that might disagree?

    • Damian Thompson

      Hey, thanks so much! I was hoping you’d see the article :)

  • Damare Konoyaro

    I’m rewiring my brain as we speak.

  • Perseus Slade

    That silly ‘masculinity crisis’ article is just
    pandering to the feminist agenda,
    scaremongering,
    groping for a shock-horror headline.
    We don’t need no stinkin’ facts stuff.

    • JSC

      The sudden resurgence of pop pseudo-feminism in its new, weirder and more desperate form seems to me to be indicative of a crisis in femininity rather than masculinity.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    OK, so it was P o r n o g r a p h y.
    You Mods really are a sad bunch with your guidelines in a twist.

    • Kennybhoy

      No mods. A computer.

  • Callipygian

    A tedious subject. I’ll confess I haven’t read the article: I have much better things to do.

    It doesn’t have to be about ‘hard-wiring’ (though the brain and the ‘mind’, I think we can all agree, certainly require each other). It’s about goodness of soul.

    A society in which masses of people are not drawn into vice and all manner of nastiness is a better society than one in which they are. A kind of innocence is needed if one is to be a good lover. And the sophistication of a good lover should be in aiming high, not in smirking at the low.

    • Kennybhoy

      Amen.

    • Frank Marker

      Spot on Callipygian!

      • Callipygian

        Cheers, mate : )

    • Shatterface

      I stopped reading your comment after you’d admitted you hadn’t read the article.

      • Callipygian

        I think I can live with that. Others enjoyed it: you may or may not be missing something.

  • WFC

    So how can there be a “rape epidemic” at our universities, if they’ve all got “erectile dysfunction”? “Rapus interruptus”? Mary Whitehouse must be roaring with laughter in the shades.

    If this latest bunch of pseudo-scientific claptrap – and you have barely scratched the surface – doesn’t start people wondering whether isn’t a serious problem in the practice of scientific method in modern academia, then nothing will.

    • Crazy_O

      Rape as well as other violent crimes are at their all-time low and continue to decline.

      • Feminister

        Much of p*rn IS sexual abuse. The fact it isn’t a crime is merely a reflection of who’s in charge.

        • ArsenicSpritzer

          It’s a reflection of consent, something feminists whine about incessantly, while having no idea what it even means.

      • Fraziel

        Not in Sweden and we all know why. If the SNP get their way Scotland will suffer the same fate.

    • cartimandua

      Study out of Cambridge (2014 and replicated in Germany) using fMRIs shows the nasty effects on the brain.

      • WFC

        Ah.

        Another “study”. Well that’s all right then.

        • Mc

          See my points above: cartimsndua and her fellow travelers have a real problem producing rigorous evidence when challenged.

    • cartimandua

      Its an epidemic of lack of boundaries sexual violence and perverse behaviour.

      • WFC

        Oh … so that’s what it is.

        An epidemic of meaningless phrases strung together.

        Thanks for explaining.

      • Mc

        Could you clarify whether this “epidemic” was measured, how and by whom, and whether these studies adhered to the 3 criteria I mentioned earlier?

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