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Boris: No-one seriously approached me to stand in Clacton

2 September 2014

2:23 PM

2 September 2014

2:23 PM

If the Tories did want to really fight Douglas Carswell in the Clacton by-election, then Boris Johnson would have been a jolly good way of driving a steamroller over Ukip’s chances of doing well. James explained at the weekend that when David Cameron reached the same conclusion and put the feelers out to the Mayor, word came back that Johnson felt Clacton was too far away.

But today Johnson suggested that those feelers weren’t particularly robust ones. He told the World at One that he had ‘no serious approach’ to ask him to stand as the Conservative candidate:

‘Do you know what, what I always do with this one, Martha, is I explain that I do not go into the conversations that I have with my friends and colleagues in government, that general defence has served me very well, but I’ll answer you and I’ll say that generally speaking I had no serious, I had no serious approach to doing it because I don’t think that people think it would be the right thing to do given I’ve gone in for Uxbridge.’

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If this is correct, then why didn’t Cameron really try to persuade Boris to stand in the seat? He is the leader of the party that the Mayor wants to join in Parliament: he should make use of Boris as the anti-Farage.

The date of the by-election is the Prime Minister’s birthday, 9 October. While the Conservatives told anyone who would listen last week that they would fight the by-election ‘vigorously’, the Mail on Sunday‘s weekend poll means it’s unlikely that the whole Team 2015 spectacle that CCHQ rolled out for Newark will pitch up in the constituency.

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  • Lady Magdalene

    I doubt if BoJo would unseat the popular, principled Carswell.
    Let’s not forget that BoJo’s prime concern is his own career and becoming Conservative Party Leader, not helping Cameron and certainly not the well-being of the British people.
    He isn’t going to fight a seat which he’s likely to lose.

  • Fred Smith

    The thing is that if BoJo won, no one would care, and if BoJo lost, which is quite likely, they’d be in a much worse mess than they are now.

  • Chingford Man

    Obviously Isabel doesn’t read the Sunday papers. Wanting to let all the Turks in might not be a vote winner.

  • global city

    A poll has already shown that Carswell would beat Johnson. If that would have happened it really would have said masses about the state of the Tory party…that’s why they didn’t pursue the idea.

    • Lady Magdalene

      It’s certainly why BoJo didn’t.

  • jazz606

    Boris needs to stand somewhere where he can win.

    Failure to be elected would scupper his Tory leadership chances for good.

    That seems to me to be a pretty good reason for him not to stand at Clacton.

  • saffrin

    What Boris means is; with UKIP running at 68%, he told them to take a run and jump.
    And let’s face it, who takes Boris seriously these days or ever?

  • FrankS2

    “Boris Johnson would have been a jolly good way of driving a steamroller over Ukip’s chances…”
    Clacton would be a good way of steamrollering BoJo’s career. Which is probably why Dave would have liked him to stand.

  • cyclingmike

    Boris would not win and it would have made him weak to win Uxbridge. Boris certainly cannot spike UKIP, he is no better than Cameron

  • Jacques Strap

    Boris is not going to stand for the same reasons Nigel didnt stand in newark.

  • chouenlai

    Having read exchanges down page, I have to “fess up” to having had a gnawing interest in women since I was about 14. Please don’t report me or I think the worst of me. It is difficult enough being a middle class white man, without the world knowing that you are a hetrosexual.

    • saffrin

      Pervert.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      Homophobe.

    • Chingford Man

      Don’t be thinking of becoming a Tory PPC.

  • Alan Day

    Boris has no intention of being defeated by UKIP. After all, if Boris ran and was defeated by UKIP, what message would that send to Cameron?

    • Wessex Man

      That the Tories are toast under Cameron or Big Bad Boris!

  • YahYah

    That would be a great way to trash your finest political asset, wouldn’t it? Stand them in a seat that they’re sure to lose, and watch their reputation, and the advantage they gave you, fall to pieces. No one was ever considering this.

    • ButcombeMan

      Or a way to trash a political competitor

    • the viceroy’s gin

      If he’s the “finest political asset”, then why is he a coward, and unwilling to stand down this traitor to his party?

  • Kitty MLB

    Oh come on.Douglas Carswell did an excellent job so obviously
    people will stick with him regardless of what party he belongs to,
    its about him. A sensible chap with Conservative values, regardless of where he lays his hat. A good influence too.
    Boris Johnson honestly..he’s a nice chap and all that but.Oh I
    don’t know…but just no..that wouldn’t have been right.

    • Adam Carter

      Why do you think Boris is a nice chap?
      I think he is a scheming, self-serving, self-interested man who wants power because he wants power.
      I don’t know what he wants to do with that power; do you?
      And ‘nice chap’? Not so much; adulterer, yes.

      • Kitty MLB

        ‘Nice Chap’ was the wrong word…I meant a Conservative comfort blanket..he’s cricket, shepherds
        pie and Wodehouse.

        • saffrin

          He’s a fat useless tw*t and you know it.
          All he’s got is the smile.

  • dado_trunking

    Oh come off it. Why would Boris stand in the push-sh*t town of Clacton?
    What the bigoted right wing want is Ukip in Parliament. They want Rotherham, why else was that town on the news? The want Thanet, they want Clacton. Then the bigoted right dream will dream of a coalition with Boris as a leader. So why, why on earth would he stand in that push-sh*t town?

    • John Dalton

      If you keep saying “bigoted right” it might change my mind about voting UKIP.

      • dado_trunking

        Yes, the British Moaning Pensioner Party (BMPP) will split the vote, one Tory out in Clacton, one Ukip in, and then they will have to live with Liebour in power until 2025. Needless to assert that most will never see the day of ultimate reckoning.
        As Sally Gulps would tweet if she could: oh Bercow!

        • Wessex Man

          change the record if the Tories lose in 2015 it will be because of the Tories and their half witted snob of a leader!

          • dado_trunking

            Learn English – it’s ‘when’ not ‘if’.

            • saffrin

              Cameron and Wallace in coalition is the best you can hope for.

            • global city

              your political intellect is astonishing

        • Colonel Mustard

          Ageism. And I still work. I’ll grant you the Moaning bit!

          But at least we’re not foreigners. We are Englishmen, and have consequently won first prize in the lottery of life. You can take all away from us but never that.

          And it enrages you.

          • dado_trunking

            I am ‘enraged’? How could I possibly be ‘enraged’?
            The BMPP is far better comedy value than even the Edinburgh Fringe ever could be.

            • Colonel Mustard

              “I am ‘enraged’? How could I possibly be ‘enraged’?”

              Well, you keep having a go at England so something must be bugging you:-

              “It’s Little England talking about Little England things only, whilst Scotland walks the walk.”

              • dado_trunking

                Yes, I keep ‘having a go’ at those Little Englanders who appear to believe that whilst supposedly subscribing to the principles of supply side-led growing markets and best standards achieved in a competitive environment think they could somehow achieve that by closing their borders, overregulating access and somehow, magically, reducing taxes without reducing expenditure meaningfully at the same time, selling all the last assets they hold.

                That is what is on offer from Little England. Either they make their minds up whether they are Scandinavian socialists in spirit or subscribe to US-style free market principles.

                Little Englanders *want* both and will of course *have* neither.

            • saffrin

              There’s fk-all comedy coming out of the Edinburgh Fringe matey.

    • Swiss Bob

      What is this ‘bigoted right wing’?

      Does it have any meaning or is it just voices in your head?

      • Wessex Man

        voices in the head as usual.

      • dado_trunking

        What is is? It’s Little England talking about Little England things only, whilst Scotland walks the walk.

        • Swiss Bob

          Scotland walks the walk

          Gibberish. A train set in motion by the traitorous Labour party may or may not arrive in the metaphorical station next month,

          Whether it turns out to be good or bad for either England or Scotland nobody knows. On historical precedent Scotland is in for a rough ride if they vote yes.

          ‘Little England’, the little England that doesn’t want to be part of a superstate but would rather retain its own destiny, a history of surviving for over a thousand years against all comers. Not only surviving but prospering.

          • dado_trunking

            the only way to prosper is to partake in the best forms and highest levels of inter-trade activity possible whilst raising standards to commonly accepted levels. You need to demonstrate that that is best possible on . your . own.

    • saffrin

      If the common purpose scum of Rotherham had acted on the bigoted rights information, 1,400 plus wouldn’t have been raped..regularly….for years and years.
      But then of course, little things like that don’t bovver the average lefty tw*t troll.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …they welcome it, especially this particular troll and all its sockpuppets.

  • Adam Carter

    I hope that Boris doesn’t get selected as candidate for Uxbridge.
    He has taken up 3 policy positions that I fundamentally disagree with:
    1) An amnesty for illegal immigrants
    2) Support for Turkey’s candidacy for membership of the EU
    3) A ‘rebuttable presumption’ of guilt for people travelling to Syria.
    I suspect that there are some here who are happy with No.3. Nevertheless points 1 and 2 mean that I would never vote for him.

    • ButcombeMan

      I will never support him because of those AND “Boris Island”.

      On the last, Boris thinks like someone who knows nowhere other than London.

      Putting an airport where Boris suggests would just build up AMS & FRA etc as people travelled via provincial airports

      • global city

        If Boris Island ever actually gets built they should make all the staff wear Thunderbirds uniforms.

    • itdoesntaddup

      Brois Island would of course be just the other side of the estuary from Clacton, and sure to generate a lot of aircraft noise but no employment. Can you imagine Boris trying to sell that?

  • WatTylersGhost

    You could stand Boris, Gove, Redwood or even Tebbit in Clacton against Ukip and they all would be toast. It’s the Tory brand that’s hated there, not just the person selling it. Though Johnson is loathsome.

  • Colonel Mustard

    Simon Danczuk MP (Labour) discovers politics:-

    “…the community almost owns you – you are expected to deliver or they will vote you out.”

    Getaway. Astonishing. How dare they. Etc.

    • crackenthorp

      you still being as stupid as ever

      • Adam Carter

        Why do you think Colonel Mustard’s comment shows him ‘as stupid as ever’?
        It sounds entirely reasonable to me.

        • crackenthorp

          as we say in this part of England the man is dolarly tap. Don’t expect you to understand

          • Wessex Man

            you arrogant prawn!

            • crackenthorp

              you definitely do not understand

              • Wessex Man

                you arrogant prawn!

                • Wessex Man

                  you stupid ignorant arrogant prawn!

                • crackenthorp

                  toodlepip old fruit tallyho anyone for the asylum, well you will be the first

          • Colonel Mustard

            It’s doolally tap. And it doesn’t mean stupid it means mad.

            Stupid would be voting for Labour. Mad would be thinking that would be good for the country.

            • crackenthorp

              I said “in this part of England” it means stupid/mad/ imbecilic.

              • Darnell Jackson

                I imagine it’s a phrase you hear a lot!

                • crackenthorp

                  It only applies to people on here

                • Darnell Jackson

                  You’re on here!

                • crackenthorp

                  And so are you

    • Kaine

      It seems the rampant idiocy of Simon Danczuk is one of those rare areas of agreement between us Colonel.

      • Colonel Mustard

        井の中の蛙大海を知らず!

  • Swiss Bob

    If the Tories did want to really fight Douglas Carswell in the Clacton by-election, then Boris Johnson would have been a jolly good way of driving a steamroller over Ukip’s chances of doing well.

    The above from the writer is risible. Where did she get the idea from, Tory HQ?

    Anyone familiar with Political Betting, or perhaps even the Mail on Sunday might have seen a post on Sunday about the Survation poll published in the Mail on Sunday.

    How would you vote (in Clacton) if Boris Johnson stood as a Tory:
    Ukip – 60%
    Con – 27%
    Lab – 10%
    Lib Dem – 1% (ha hah)

    0/10 Jolly well must do better.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      Be fair. The albino poshboy did come within a 2 to 1 spread in that poll. Doubled-up, then, but that’s better than any Camerloon would do.

  • monty61

    It was a daft idea anyway, Clacton is 90mins by train, about the same time out of Liverpool Street as Swindon is from Paddington, or Crewe (!) is from Euston. It’s too early, too far away and pointless anyway as Carswell is odds-on to win even against Bumbling Boris.

    • John Dalton

      I’d like to think that this bumbling pro-immigration fool – who symbolises everything that is wrong with the current arrogant, self-entitled Tory party – wouldn’t stand a chance against UKIP anyway!

      Interesting to watch the Daily Politics yesterday and see it was straight back to business as usual: the three main parties clubbing together to pour their buckets of contempt, scorn and ridicule over UKIP. They were literally guffawing over the UKIP representative as he was trying to make his point.

      • WatTylersGhost

        Totally agree John, except the last bit, if we have to look at Diane Abbot or Isabel – which one floats your boat?

        • John Dalton

          Thanks mate – and in honest answer to your question: neither of them. Ideally I’d like talking heads with real life experience and wisdom that reflect the small “c” conservative views of the vast majority. Some hope of that on the BBC.

          • WatTylersGhost

            I’m not being cerebral here, just heterosexual.
            (Is it still legal?)

      • ButcombeMan

        I have the measure of the lovely Isabel, she writes nonsense to get hits.
        It would not suit Boris purpose to fight Clacton, win or lose.
        To stand against Carswell he would have to pretend to disagree over Europe.
        To be ready to go for Leader, he needs to position as more EU sceptical than Cameron for when Cameron inevitably loses the general election.

        Does Isabel have the wits to work that out?

        She should do or she should not be in her job.

      • Kaine

        Welcome to big boy politics.

    • WatTylersGhost

      Yes much too far away – about the same distance as that fairy tale airport the muppet wanted to build.

      • monty61

        Lol. Very true.

    • itdoesntaddup

      Swindon? At least as far as Bristol.

  • rtj1211

    I think it’s more to the point that I don’t think Boris has a lot in common with Clacton voters. I can’t see Boris that enthusiastic about inviting his London mates down for a knees up on the Essex coast of a weekend and I wonder what his wife and kids would think about it too?

  • HookesLaw

    This is a more than usually tenuous basis for an article.

    ” I don’t think that people think it would be the right thing to do given I’ve gone in for Uxbridge.” Seems a fair point.

    And I think we are seeing Boris being diplomatic. He has already committed himself and it is too far out and too early. He is mayor in case you had forgotten.

    The tories would be wise to conduct an open primary and encourage a selection of good candidates to stand.

    • crackenthorp

      He is a coward and you should stick to UK Polling Report as the idiots on there deserve you

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