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Why the Miliband wreath row is unfair and unseemly

4 August 2014

4:16 PM

4 August 2014

4:16 PM

So Ed Miliband is in trouble with some angry people over whether or not he took enough trouble over signing a remembrance wreath. Here is the offending wreath, on the right besides the Prime Minister’s which bears a personal message.

 

Mark Ferguson at LabourList reports Labour sources saying they were just handed the wreath at the very last minute, and had no chance to add a personal message. Nick Clegg’s wreath was similarly bland. Number 10 says it’s standard practice for the Prime Minister to sign his wreath – and does it all the time, but perhaps the arrangements for the remembrance service all three leaders were attending were such that only heads of government could sign their wreaths, rather than lots of other politicians scribbling away too (Damian McBride argues, though, that the advisers should have planned ahead).

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There are undoubtedly problems with the Miliband operation, just as there were undoubtedly serious and visible flaws in the way Number 10 got itself together until late in 2013, when things started to run more smoothly. But this could be one of those instances where it really isn’t Miliband’s fault – or that of his team. Imagine you’re a party leader, standing solemnly at a service commemorating the outbreak of the First World War. You’re handed a wreath with a message scrawled on it in rubbish black marker. In fact, it’s not a message, it’s just your name. It looks a bit like a piece of primary school artwork where the teacher has written your name in big, round, clear letters, just in case you can’t spell it yourself. It doesn’t look good. But then, neither would stopping the proceedings to protest about this message. ‘My message doesn’t look good enough!’ Yes, that would look pretty terrible, too, if a wreath-laying ceremony were held up by lower-tier politicians behaving like divas and fretting about their media image.

That Clegg’s similarly rubbish-looking wreath message has barely got any attention at all shows that this about the narrative of haplessness that dogs Ed Miliband. Usually it is pretty fair: a man who poses with Britain’s most popular newspaper, then apologises for it is hardly a master strategist. This is the sort of thing that Miliband is now expected to do because of his litany of mishaps, and this is something that should worry the Labour leader. He cannot shrug off what has happened today, although he should be right to ignore the specific accusations, if he was indeed just handed a scrawled message with no time to add his own words.

There’s also something a bit rubbish about going after a lower tier politician on a day that should be giving everyone little stings of sadness as they think about the sacrifice of the soldiers who gave their lives from 4 August 1914 onwards. Miliband and his team will likely have plenty of other intriguing mishaps to entertain us all in the months ahead: his wreath message should be the very least of the stories we tell about today, for which so many soldiers gave up their tomorrows.

On which note, here is the first of a series of extracts from the Spectator during the course of the First World War.

 

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  • Ilya Grushevskiy

    Don’t stand on ceremony I say. It is still, as ever, a waste of breath.

  • Daidragon

    Desperate stuff from the swivel eyed right wing again. really pathetic.

    • The_greyhound

      Once again we stand amazed at the brilliant use of language, the incisive wit, the towering moral stature of your posts.

      Who said that leftie trolls would never be able to use their forelimbs for anything but eating and scratching? One day you may even be able to write a whole sentence. With practice.

  • The_greyhound

    Clegg has little, and Miliband no, British blood. Why would I expect them to honour

    our (not their) war dead?

  • Jambo25

    Poppy Scotland are on record that the cards were sent to Labour and Lib Dem offices in London ahead of the wreath laying in Glasgow. Clearly nothing was done to sign them or give any kind of dedication on the cards. Instead the 2 cards from Clegg and Miliband were scrawled on by the same marker pen in the same hand. I’d guess that neither Clegg nor Miliband had the grace to bother even looking at the cards prior to the wreath laying and that some hapless civil service or Glasgow Cathedral official was asked to scrawl something on them at the last minute.
    A couple of the dead were great uncles of mine. My son and I placed a wreath on the unit memorial of one of them at Contalmaison a few years ago. We did it on behalf of my grandad who never managed to visit the memorial to his brother. My son and I took time to write a dedication to my great uncle and the rest of McRae’s Battalion. It’s a pity that Clegg and Miliband couldn’t have managed to do the same for the nearly 1,000,000 British and Empire war dead. Thanks guys.

  • paulthorgan

    I am afraid that the party that used every occasion to promote itself in the media even when it was distasteful should not complain when they score a media fail.

    I do wonder how they will try to bury bad news this time.

  • Brian Moylan

    The comments on here are like a rubbish characture of order-order site-rabble…
    Keep it up Spectator.
    Congratulations on this “stunt”.. gone really well for Tories.

  • Julian Kavanagh

    I completely agree, Isabel. For the Daily Mail website, guardian of our nation’s morals after all, to have this story as their main headline for most of yesterday is so stunningly disrespectful and so telling about their priorities and the audience they are aiming to please.

  • Damon

    On a semantic point, it’s bizarre to describe Mr Miliband as, ‘a lower tier politician’ when he’s likely to be Prime Minister in ten months. Don’t get me wrong: I’m horrified by the prospect. Nevertheless, let’s face facts.

  • Picquet

    Very silly, manufactured outrage. What sort of moron uses ‘Twitter’, anyway?

  • Gwangi

    And this is ‘a row’, then? Well, who is rowing? And really, such a tabloidese word – like ‘joy’ or fury’ – which my local paper adores. JOY at this; FURY at that. ROW at something utterly trivial.
    Me, I despise this American-style feminised fake-personal culture where even bank clerks write to you using your first name. What’s wrong with a surname and Mr? What’s wrong with Sir? And what is wrong with Ed Miliband’s wreath?

  • starfish

    Although I note the incident has already been excised at the ministry of truth this is symbolic of a prospective leader in serious trouble. I have attended and help organise many such events. As others have said nothing is left to chance. It is practised and rehearsed. Wreaths are prepared in advance and VIPs are given cards to place on wreaths well in advance. They are not dished out on the day. Wreath bearers deliver specific wreaths with cards preattached to the VIPs before they lay them..

    While I might believe it was an error as it happened to clegg too it does suggest both sets of aides are not on the ball forestalling obvious PR disaster.

    If I were a prospective PM I might take more than a passing interest in arrangements

  • Liz

    8.5 million soldiers killed, 13.5 million civilians killed – by the soldiers.

    • The_greyhound

      Which book of specially invented untruths for use by feminists did you get that garbage from?

      Civilian casualtes from all causes (predominantly disease and malnutrition) are estimated to have amounted to fewer than 5M – between eight and eleven million soldiers lost their lives.

      The victims of WW1 were overwhelmingly white men. You should show them some respect, instead of telling lies to support your own twisted and sick view of the world.

      • Liz

        The 100 year anniversary edition of the BBC ten o’clock news.

        Another one of those events where men take over the airways and streets and churches to big themselves up for behaving like barbarians and killing women and kids.

        • The_greyhound

          Show some respect, and cease with your ranting and lies.

      • Liz

        And raping.

      • Liz

        Starvation and disease – what a coincidence that the food ran out and disease spread when soldiers destroyed all the farm land, poisoned the water and destroyed all the infrastructure.

  • Stephen Milroy

    It’s not fair. But any chance to give Clegg and Miliband grief is ok with me…

  • Ian Walker

    A lower tier politician, maybe, but one who wants to get the keys to the country so that he can hand it over to the EU. He should be trashed at every opportunity.

  • The Masked Marvel

    The BBC certainly wasted no time in publishing Labour’s excuse for him. If he had time to be there, some lackey from Axelrod’s PR team had time to plagerise something thoughtful. The BBC also makes sure to tell you that Cameron didn’t write his note, either.

    And no, Isabel, the fact that Clegg’s similarly impersonal boilerplate isn’t getting the same attention is not a sign that this sort of clumsiness dogs Miliband. That’s something on which you media bubble-dwellers focus. The rest of us think he’s crap for a whole host of reasons before getting to the publicity foolishness. The fact that Clegg’s non-personal note didn’t get the same amount of scrutiny is a sign that he’s yesterday’s news, and the LibDems are so history that your media mates know the public aren’t interested.

  • Ricky Strong

    That the man could not even make the effort to write his own personal note given he knew about this event weeks/months/years in advance is a testament as to what to expect from him if he gets into office.

  • Kennie

    This smells of a set up, photo- op by Cameron’s semi-tame Australian. However, Milliband’s and Clegg’s semi-tame yanks should have been wise to it.

  • Smithersjones2013

    Is it ‘Sympathy for the Labour Dimwit’ Day?

    1) Seriously did neither Miliband the Misfit nor his entourage know they were expected to sign a wreath in advance (given the event I’d of thought it was pretty bloody obvious that something like that could happen).

    2) Its a bit worrying that Miliband is incapable of thinking on his feet because the whole thing looks pretty infantile (particularly the writing). This guy could be Prime Minister in 9 months time.

    3) Nick Clegg is never going to become Prime Minister whether he aspires to it or not. Any comparisons are false..

    4) Miliband is not a ‘lower tier’ politician. He is leader of Her Majesty’s Opposition, the Labour Party and aspires to be Prime Minister. Below the Prime Minister and a few senior cabinet posts (not including that of Deputy Prime Minister) I doubt there is a more important politician in the country.

    5) Anyone who thinks saying something is ‘a bit rubbish’ when writing a professional blog is clearly ‘a bit rubbish’ at what they do too. In fact its extremely “pre-pubescent secondary modern” if one gets my drift……..

  • anyfool

    A man who wants to lead the country cannot be bothered to pen a few words of condolences, for the hundreds of thousands of the men who fought and died for the country.
    He could not bring himself to do it because he is embarrassed that such men exist,

    Balls claimed back the cost of a poppy wreath that he sent to his constituency remembrance service.

    The whole leadership of the Labour Party is tainted with disloyalty, previously it was paying homage to the USSR, now it is to the core Muslim vote, they truly are treacherous.

  • davebush999

    Will Louise Mensch please mind her own business and stop blogging on UK politics. You gave up, love, in case you had forgotten.

    • Ridcully

      .. and the damage limitation commences.

  • realfish

    As a Civil Servant who has had the misfortune to be on the receiving end of / planning ‘official visits’ by minster and senior opposition politicians, I can assure you, Isabel, that nothing, absolutely nothing was ever left to chance. I’s had to be dotted and T’s had to be crossed within an inch of their lives; the attention to detail by ministers and their minders was something to behold, everything HAD to be right including the ‘unknown, unknowns’ (it was rather career limiting if it wasn’t).

    But I do agree, Isabel, we are being beastly to Ed. It has to be remembered that he has only just embarked on his ’empathy’ training and hasn’t yet got round to the section entitled, ‘Session 2 – how to display empathy in writing’.

    Ed (and Clegg for that matter) is the embodiment of the prefabricated, machine politician.

  • Ken

    If the British Prime Minister has the time to write a personal note, then the leaders of the other main parties (who, let’s face it, don’t have much to do) should make the time.

    Disgraceful and utterly disrespectful.

    • davebush999

      They weren’t given the opportunity. That’s the point. And So Dave’s mob play political football.

      • Holly

        Lets hope that IF this idiot does end up as PM he tries his best to think ahead.

  • Brigantian

    The whole thing is decidedly fishy. The wreath laying was in Scotland but no mention has been made of the SNP contribution. It really is crucial to know what was on Alex Salmond’s wreath. Was it as bland as the Labour and Lib Dem labels? Were all wreaths from one source? How was Prince Charles’ wreath presented?
    Normally for this sort of occasion you are asked what message you would like or whether you wish to add your own. The Scottish papers seem remarkably disinterested in the episode, which is a bit of a surprise.

    • HookesLaw

      I believe Salmonds wreath was the same. I suspect there is no story here – much though, quite selfishly, I would like there to be.

    • FF42

      As far as I know it was a UK government organised event, not a Scottish government organised one. Of course Scotland is in the UK – for now, at least.

  • David B

    One question if it had been Cameron who had done it how loud would Labour have shouting

    • Holly

      Labour bods would have been out in force with their ’tilted’ heads and ‘furrowed brows’.
      An error, nothing more eh….Well that’s okay then.
      Who knows what would have been pinned on the wreath if Miliband had had anything to do with it…
      I must remember how much we spend on groceries.
      I must remember how much we spend on groceries.
      I must remember how much we spend on groceries.
      I must remember to spend HOW MUCH, on groceries?
      How much did I remember to spend on groceries.

  • Terry Field

    I saw the wreath laid by David Cameron at Caen military cemetery.
    It was personally written, with a kind and thoughtful comment; the contrast is instructive, and entirely unsurprising – the weasel Milliband is a cynical opportunist.

    • Brigantian

      It is probably proof of an Eton education more than anything else. Proper etiquette is very rare these days. Certainly not taught in state schools and not only absent but derided in New Labour circles.

      • Terry Field

        Was Milliband not educated in a public school?
        I thought that he was.
        Decent behaviour should be commonplace. I tend to fear that you are correct concerning the difference between the Public and State school approaches to politeness and consideration.
        That is unfortunate if it is true.
        It used not to be the case. Poor upbringing should be compensated by the State education system, not reinforced by it.
        He was probably giving more elocution lessons to Rachel Reeves, and had no time to compose an appropriate message – the change in the ‘vauls’ is there for all to hear – Upwardly Mobile or what!!!

        • Jhb

          He went to a state school.

        • HookesLaw

          It was Balls who was public scool educated. And Harman. You would not get a marxist going to a public school.

  • Archibald Heatherington

    Perhaps this is just another manifestation of the fact that he’s a walking disaster.

    Fair enough, the event is more important, but he showed it a monumental lack of respect, and I say he ought to be called out on it.

  • Jhb

    Has anyone on this thread got a brain?

    • Wessex Man

      Why do you need to borrow one?

      • Jhb

        Not from anyone responsible for the “comments” that I’ve read on here thank you very much. Good joke though. I’ll give you that.

    • Holly

      Erm….no.

      • Jhb

        Evidently. I don’t think I’ve ever read such pious, sanctimonious bollocks as the stuff on here.

        • HookesLaw

          Oh … come on…

        • Holly

          Good fun though innit.
          How many did you have to ‘read’ before you classed yourself as ‘brainier’ than others?
          Bet your’e reading this right now.

        • The_greyhound

          Can I commend the Grauniad to you? Many are surprised to learn that it’s still published – but it is, and it’s cornered the market in pious, sanctimonious bollocks. This stuff pales into insignificance.

          • Jhb

            Yeah, you’re right about that. It’s much funnier on here though.

  • Damaris Tighe

    What nerdy handwriting Milliband has.

  • Tony_E

    The usual form for anyone in a very visible public position is to have someone to make sure of what the plans are ahead of time. If there was going to be an issue with the wreath that person should have known before time.

    That said, it was an error, nothing more. For the press to go after Miliband for it in the way they have is simply pathetic. Maybe it was a story for tomorrow.

  • Mike Barnes

    Once they establishment press has got it in for you, they’ll slag you off for absolutely anything. Golden Boy Dave can do no wrong. Shame the polls are stubbornly refusing to play along.

  • RavenRandom

    Another defence of Miliband, hmm.
    Judge them by their actions; Miliband screws up, consistently. You can argue a reason for each separate pratfall, but when they keep piling up then it’s safe to say he’s an incompetent man and not just persistently unlucky.

  • English Majority

    Wait, what?

    That’s genuinely what Labour wrote on their Rememberance wreath?

    “From the leader of the opposition”?

    What a disgustingly cold message. This is, besides other things, a sign of just how foreign (in the literal sense) Labour is now. Most of their activists are black, Muslim or other immigrant. They hate War Rememberance’s because the old footage shatters their vile, violently anti-British lies that “Britain was built by immigrants, and Britain has always been multicultural”.

    • Shazza

      Not forgetting what Daddy Ralph’s opinion of Britain was.

      • Andy

        Ah yes. The man who HATED Britain. But I wonder why he didn’t sod off back to Poland, the land of his fathers ?? Why pollute our green and pleasant land.

        • Shazza

          Because Poland was under the control of the USSR so need to go there as it was mission accomplished.

          Ralph and his ilk stayed here to work towards the same fate for Britian, i.e., Communism.
          But not to worry, Red Ed is hellbent on completing daddy’s ambition only now it is full and final integration into the EUSSR as sadly for him, Stalin’s paradise no longer exists.

          • Andy

            But Stalin would have had scumbag Ralph executed within days of his return, and who could blame him for that.

        • fitz fitzgerald

          … or verdant Highgate Hill with weasel Hobsbawm, tucked in with Marx.

        • Kennybhoy

          “Pollute”…? Have you any fucking idea how such reads? It’s like something from RuSHA!

          I am curious. Just how many generations of your forefathers have to live here before you can be considered as British in your sinister view?

      • fitz fitzgerald

        … and ghastly Hobsbawm…

        • Shazza

          Whose daughter is besties with Sarah Brown.
          Birds of a feather………………….

  • George Smiley

    Amongst all the unthinking vitriol that’s been spouted today, I thought this was a very fair piece.
    On a related note it’s interesting that, at least anecdotally, people profess to hate spin, sound bite politics and other practises we traditionally associate with the way our American cousins conduct their politics. And yet here we are, in the absence of any real policies, furiously discussing the media management capabilities of our main parties.
    Do we really have to suffer another 9 months of *this*?

    • Holly

      Yup.
      Miliband is a great tonic in these uneasy times.
      Let’s see how many folk are bored senseless with it already, when we get the birth stats for next May.

      Personally I think it is the media led. Once again dumbing politics down to such a base level, we the voters tire of the lot of them. Aiming to steer the public, like they did in 2010, to another hung Parliament so they can spend three years saying it will collapse/is in crisis/breaking down etc. otherwise they will have nothing to fill their inane 24/7 broadcasts.

      Another cracking example of this is the Sky newspaper review when Andrew pierce and Kevin Maguire are on.

  • Colin

    Yeah, Isobel, you’re probably right. What were the chances of him being asked to lay a wreath, at the ceremony to mark the centenary of the start of the Great War?

    Why go to all the trouble of preparing a personal message, when you’re only there for the photo op?

    In any case, everyone involved is now dead, so who cares. Plus, why put your name to something that will upset your core, metropolitan vote? He wouldn’t want to be seen to be glorifying war, would he ? Better to keep it all impersonal, easier deniability.

    • George Smiley

      If you’re going to attack someone for attention to detail then it’s probably best you don’t misspell the journalist’s name whose article your comments appear under.

      • Colin

        Two things:

        1. Well spotted – now corrected.
        2. I wasn’t attacking beaker for a lack of attention to detail. I was pointing out his monumental, almost sociopathic levels of utter disrespect. The idea that, having been accorded the honour of participating in such a commemoration, he could not bring himself to prepare, in advance, and spend the five minutes it would take to do the right thing. I wonder who he or his servants thought was going to write and sign the wreath ? The Angel of Mons ?

        • HookesLaw

          Browns scrawled smudged letters of condolence were I thought disrespectful but he got some sympathy for them. Don’t ask me why.

          • Colin

            He got some sympathy, probably, because he tried to do the right thing. His execution may have been flawed, but his thoughts were sincere.

            On the other hand, this looks as though beaker did not accord this event the dignity it so clearly deserved.

            The excuse that he got the wreath just before he laid it, doesn’t wash. It’s not as if he wasn’t aware of the date. It almost makes it worse.

          • Makroon

            Because everyone knew that Brown has very poor eyesight and always writes in huge ugly letters. (remember the redtop outing of Brown’s speech cards ?)

            • HookesLaw

              That was no excuse. Quite the opposite.

              • Kennybhoy

                How so…?

  • Alexsandr

    it just shows Miliband and his team to be unprepared for Government, and I think people are right to castigate them for it.

  • LadyDingDong

    This is a disgusting lack of respect shown by the idiot Miliband and it is certainly not unfair to call him to account. A true heir to the equally disrespectful Michael Foot. To trivialise our 700,000 dead soldiers in the Great War with this last minute scribble says it all. No excuse.

    • HookesLaw

      I don’t like Ed Miliband and I would like to ridicule him – but every dignitary who laid a wreath had their names scrawled on them likewise. The whole operation looked pretty amateurish. The question we must ask is was it any different to the normal Remembrance Day operation and if so why?
      I don’t see why Miliband should be singled out, although he and the others ought to have asked for a chance to sign something. Nor do I see why names could have not been properly printed rather than looking totally disrespectful as they did.and the dignitaries given a time to sign something.
      You can argue that his office should have looked into the matter before hand but apart from Cameron everyone else was dropped in it likewise.

      • Andy

        Correct form is that the card should have been headed from his name and office and black edged. As you point out this was no different than Remembrance Sunday, but I assume it was organised by the Scottish Government.

        • HookesLaw

          I’ve read DCM&S … but it certainly ought to have been the Scottish Govt if devolution is to mean anything. If it was the DCM&S I would have thought they knew the form. May be it was a local office, but under devolution there should not be one.

        • Holly

          Bozo writ it then?

      • Holly

        We should indeed single Miliband out.
        Why?
        Because he’s the guy who reckons he’s ace, who reckons he would be the bestest Prime Minister, and everyone else is rubbish.

        He surrounds himself with people who are nowhere near his intellectual equal, just to make him seem ‘smart’.
        The guys an absolute disaster, and there isn’t another political party going who deserves such a leader more than the multi-times discredited Labour party.

        • telemachus

          Oh Holly you are oh so wrong
          Miliband has the instinct to show the disadvantaged that there is something beyond for-us-and-ours Osborne
          He is in fact surrounded by bright stars who also have the Trust of the people
          Charismatic Ed Balls who will ensure fair distribution of resources
          Honest Andy Burnham whose policies of combining Health and Social care will ensure precious resources will service all
          Caring Yvette who will sort out the mess that is the Home Office
          And Statuesque Tristram who will finally banish Govian Social Darwinism

          • Holly

            Trouble is telemachus I’m so wrong, in an absolutely right kinda way.
            Hence your appearance on here.

            • telemachus

              You do need the team, as the rest of us do

              • Holly

                You are quite right there.
                Team Miliband amusing us the way they do.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Provocative tripe as usual. Andy Burnham honest!! Laughable.

            • Holly

              Like I said earlier, fairytale descriptions of dregs.

        • Andy

          Be fair now. He can’t be expected to behave correctly. He isn’t of British blood you know. He is Polish.

          • telemachus

            And Poles are the hardest working folk in Europe

            • Holly

              Don’t you mean Britain?

            • Andy

              Yet another slur on the British Working Class, whom you so ardently HATE. No wonder so many of them are voting UKIP. So why can’t Miliscum piss off back to Poland ?

              • Kennybhoy

                Why don’t you get back under yer rock lowlife?

            • fitz fitzgerald

              … and now fill your GB jails, lads!

            • Smithersjones2013

              Not according this they ain’t. They are not in the top three (but we are!).

              http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16082186

          • fitz fitzgerald

            … but really Romanian – they claim in Bucharesti…

          • HookesLaw

            He was born in Britain. I despise Miliband – for his politics – but your remark is crass

            • Andy

              Shut up Hooky, you mindless idiot. His father was Polish, so was his Mother. Neither of them were born here. His father loathed Britain, as he does.

  • Shazza

    Oh puleez Isabel, if it had been the reverse and Cameron had not signed it personally, it would be headlining on the BBC.

    • telemachus

      It is the narrative
      The narrative now dictates that Miliband must receive the Foot treatment
      *
      Well it will not wash
      This time as you imply Cameron is an impotent leader of a divided party. He is unsure as to how to reconcile poaching back voters from the Racist Party while trying to appear fair and egalitarian to those outside the Home Counties

      • RavenRandom

        It won’t wash the Foot? Did you make a joke? Are you all right?
        What racist party… do you mean… ?

        • Andy

          He means the Fascist Racist Labour Party of which he is a scum, I mean member.

        • telemachus

          The narrative did for Foot but he was against the Faulklands war
          Well did Cameron help Libya
          Is he helping Ukraine
          You see
          Folks want domestic calm if they cannot have foreign glory

          • In2minds

            Faulklands – and another joke!!!!

            • telemachus

              On this day we commemorate our brave soldiers please do not mock

      • Holly

        As in, always putting his foot in it. Well if the shoe fits….
        BOOM BOOM.
        Nice try switching it onto Cameron though.
        Plod on tele…plod on.

        • In2minds

          Well done with the Foot joke, no doubt tele-wellie had to check Wikipedia for the Foot facts. Also the pic is good, Mili in front of a dead power station!

          • telemachus

            You mean Ed in front of a dynamic architectural adaptation of our heritage

            • Holly

              Even dead power stations tower above this idiot.

              • telemachus

                But rejuvenated heritage is one part of what Ed is about

                • Holly

                  WE DO NOT WANT THE 1970’S heritage that Idiot boy has planned for us though.

                • Terry Field

                  Museum attendant

                • TrulyDisqusted

                  Which part of Ed’s rejuvenated heritage are you on about?

                  The bit about his grandfather being kicked out of Poland for siding with the Communists against his own country?

                  Or, the bit where his grandfather and father abandoned Mother and sister in Belgium to their fate at the hands of the Nazi’s because the poor might couldn’t keep up?

                  Before you tell us that Ralf Miliband joined the Royal Navy and fought against the Nazi’s, well, yes he did, but NOT until Hitler declared War on his beloved USSR.

                  The more on finds out about the Milibands, the more one realises just how much they are only out for themselves – as demonstrated by David Miliband abandoning his own constituents to take up his much better paid role at a “Charity” in Washington DC where one doesn’t need to dirty ones hands on the great unwashed!

                  Keep sipping the coolaid!

                • Andy

                  But you forgot to mention their Tax Avoidance.

                • http://owsblog.blogspot.com Span Ows

                  …wasn’t pa Miliband known for stealing from bombed houses in the blltz? Maybe I’m thinking of someone else.

                • telemachus

                  I think he ate hamsters and robbed graves

                • Smithersjones2013

                  Coolaid? Your kidding! Foolaid more like!

                • telemachus

                  Pure Dacre
                  You forgot Ralph’s grave

                • David B

                  But still heritage is irrelevant to the modern age, just line Ed’s socialism

                • Terry Field

                  Untrue.

                • Smithersjones2013

                  Yep I can just see them revamping Spitting Image especially for him as we speak!

              • Smithersjones2013

                Its a metaphor for the sign of the goat. Them be metaphorical horns!

            • In2minds

              Iconic only, output zero

              • telemachus

                We need icons after 4 years of drudgery

                • Holly

                  You mean that dead power station….I agree.

                • David B

                  Icons not pygmies like the two Ed’s

              • Holly

                Fitting choice for Idiot Boy.

            • Inverted Meniscus

              “Don’t panic, don’t panic” he’s up and down these threads like an irrelevant cockroach.

              • Andy

                Wish someone would squash him.

              • telemachus

                Morgan old chap
                You really can do better

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Well you socialist nutters are just like cockroaches running around spreading disease and filth.

            • David B

              A metaphor for Labour a once impressive structure for what might have been but now redundant and full of interesting but no longer relevant parts of history!

      • Holly

        Milibands proven inadequacy is the narrative.
        For someone who claims he will control rents energy prices, who we can borrow from, banks, bankers, schools, trains,etc.
        He is rubbish.
        He has got no control of his ‘bright stars’, his timing of announcements,(usually just after the stats show an improvement) Balls, whispering backbenchers, a bacon sandwich, or indeed his feet.

        • telemachus

          No the narrative is the alleged inadequacy
          Thoughts are that if you say it often enough Joe Public will drink it in
          Problem is that Joe Public is too sophisticated for that

          • Holly

            Yes we are.
            We KNOW Miliband is not up to being anything more than a tea boy.

            • telemachus

              You say
              But we actually know he will bring steady fairness to a society increasingly divided under the coalition

              • Holly

                Nearly.

                • telemachus

                  .??

              • davidofkent

                I don’t think that society is divided in the way that you think. For a start, I doubt that many people really worry about the very rich. We are accustomed to those who somehow enjoy vast riches. Within the rest of society, however, there is now a clear split between those productive people who pay most of the taxes and those who spend their lives living off the efforts of others. The former are now heartily fed up with the manner in which your glorious Gordon Brown encouraged the latter. I for one hope to never see another Labour government with the power to badly damage our country with their immigration policy and their ‘rob Peter to bribe Paul’ mentality.

              • Terry Field

                Division according to personal value is healthy and right.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Yes that is why they rate him lower than a deranged tadpole in every conceivable poll.

      • roger

        Why do you continually make a fool of yourself on this site. Do you ever stop to question the idiocy of your remarks or is your intention to just wind people up with your gibberish. Whichever, you really are a most painful bore whose only value is to constantly remind us of the dangers of yet another disastrous Labour administration.

        • Holly

          I reckon it’s partly to wind us up, and partly telemachus taking the mick out of Labour bods.
          I do not think he’s a Labour supporter at all, and the more fairytale the description of dregs like Coop, Balls & Chuck, the more convinced I am that he too is a Labour hater.

          • Wessex Man

            Well he once said in reply to me that he had belonged to UKip and had actually ‘stood’ for them until he was wronged.

            Someone at some stage had obviously tried to tighten the screws that were loose in his head and crossed the threads.

            • telemachus

              Wessex
              You keep repeating that lie
              As you know there was a time when my avatar was hijacked by an imposter, possibly yourself

        • David B

          Remember it’s more than one person who posts under that name plus a multiple of other alter-ego’s

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Yes he has nearly as many sock puppets as Dalai Guevara, Dado Reunking etc etc.

          • roger

            You mean there’s more than one. How dispiriting.

            • David B

              Probably all paid for out of the public purse as well!

      • Inverted Meniscus

        “Don’t panic, don’t panic captain Mainwaring don’t panic” labours corporal Jones is firefighting again for Ed Miliband the second most preposterous man in Britain ( yes Brown and Ed Bollux share top spot).

      • TrulyDisqusted

        Foot treatment?

        Isn’t that all Ed Miliband has? Two left feel and flicking ugly shoes…

        Seems that Adolf Milibands son has been a great disappointment. Not only has he never had an original thought in his life, we learn that even his personality and “empathy” is someone else’s work…

        In fact, wouldn’t it be fair to say that if it wasn’t for his famous father, young Ed would probably be a night shift shelf restocker at a discount food retailer?

        Yet here he is, a very poor leader of the Labour party who spends his time complaining about the unearned millions and privileges of the Party on the benches opposite him???

        Ed Miliband is one very sick joke.

        • Terry Field

          Like Foot, a political fungal infection of socialist error and danger.

        • Holly

          Ed would never make it as a shelf re stocker.
          He’d be the bod in the local canal collecting the dumped trolleys.

        • telemachus

          You perpetuate the narrative
          The joke will be on you next May

      • David B

        Diversion and misdirection will not cover

      • Smithersjones2013

        The narrative now dictates that Miliband must receive the Foot treatment

        If the shoe fits…….

    • JoeDM

      Note how the BBC News are playing down this lack of respect !!!

    • John Galt

      That’s not Cameron’s handwriting or signature on the note. A quick Google will confirm it. BBC is not headlining it. #NoVastLeftWingConspiracy

  • The Masked Marvel

    Sack whoever wrote the note, though.

    And whoever wrote Miliband’s.

    • Andy

      I think you will find that the ‘note’ was written by some Civil Servant merely to identify which wreath belonged to whom. Idiot Miliband just didn’t take a card to attach. I was surprised Cameron’s card was not headed 10 Downing Street.

      • The Masked Marvel

        It was a joke. That should never have been written on the note itself, though. There’s no room for anything else now, even if it was handed over to Miliband to scrawl on. Bad form for whoever put it out there as well.

      • In2minds

        Nice clear joined up writing, what’s wrong with that? At least he did not wear a donkey jacket, remember all that fuss?

        • Andy

          True. However they should all have been in Morning Dress. The Prince was in full dress uniform of an Admiral of the Fleet.

      • HookesLaw

        Cameron’s note is written on the same paper though. He clearly was given a note to write on in advance.
        Its all a bit a non event to anyone, except somebody twittered it and left out all the other dignitaries.

      • Holly

        Now now. Don’t you know you’ll be regarded as the devil incarnate for blaming a civil servant.
        The Miliband being an idiot bit, I’ll give you.

        • Andy

          You’re too kind.

  • Tim

    I don’t think I’ll be lectured to by you, Ms Hardman, about what I should think.

    Prat Milliband should have signed it. I’m sure in his pocket he had a pen. It would have taken a few seconds.

    it does show he doesn’t give a toss and so is relevant.

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      Miliband, there’s always one.

  • nonsequiturcouk

    Clegg is irrelevant.

    I think it would have stood Miliband as a man of principle if he had shouted at a lackey and made sure he signed it himself.

    The reason he didn’t, is because he is a man of ideology, not principle.

    • pointlesswasteoftime

      How would you have reacted if he had been reported shouting at a lackey at a commemoration service?

    • Holly

      I sooooo wish someone would come up with a plug hole un-blocker, or toilet cleaner called Clegg.

  • Andy

    Cobblers. The doozy p*llock should have had the presence of mind to have a card ready. It shows a lack of thoughtfulness and a lack of care.

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