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Ukip need not fear Boris Johnson

6 August 2014

4:41 PM

6 August 2014

4:41 PM

So Boris Johnson is standing for parliament next year, triggering speculation about what would happen if David Cameron lost the election. Could we have Ed Miliband as prime minister, followed by Boris Johnson? Jon Stewart would have a field decade.

Boris is easily the most popular Conservative politician around, both inside and outside the party, and is the only one to have genuine appeal with the public. People go up to him to shake his hand in the street, rather than just vomit everywhere, as is the case with most other Tories.

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Both he and Nigel Farage are jovial figures whose cheery, bumbling persona enables us to forgive any private failings. Indeed, while most frontbench politicians will get picked up for pulling a funny face, Boris could be caught in bed alongside a dead rent boy and all he’d have to say is ‘cripes, what-o!’ and everyone would laugh it off. Unlike his colleagues, he understands that most of the British public like toffs so long as they are amusing and not arrogant, and he plays up to it.

But if the Tory Party hopes to head off Ukip by employing this ambitious blond then I suspect they will be disappointed. Boris Johnson is a liberal — nothing wrong with that, as he’s a liberal in the old-fashioned sense of the word — but the people who have deserted the Tories tend to be small-c conservatives. And while he’s socially liberal on most issues, on the core one driving people to Ukip BoJo is the most immigrationiste of any senior Tory.

Ukip will easily pick up on this. In the meantime they could also point out that Boris doesn’t have to do that much as Mayor of London, and some of what he has done he has not done particularly well; take, for example, his behaviour towards Tube workers. And then there’s the increased scrutiny that Boris will now face: Gazooks, er, cripes, etc.


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  • global city

    It seems that UKIP don’t need to fear anyone!

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/08/08/UKIP-Win-Worthing-By-Election

    I know these little council by-elections are small meat, but it is indicative and is the only game in town this week. All the parties fought the ward……and UKIP won.

    The MSM seem to have convinced themselves that they were slipping down the polls, and that this was a permanent thing!

  • Anton

    “Unlike his colleagues, he understands that most of the British public
    like toffs so long as they are amusing and not arrogant, and he plays up
    to it.”

    I am not so sure about that. I would have thought most people would be eager to see intelligence and gravitas in their political figures. BJ sounds like Billy Bunter (I am not talking about his accent), who was not best known for intelligence and gravitas.

  • Bill Robertson

    I thought we had plenty of clowns in Government,without this doughnut Boris….

  • FrankS2

    Bad syrup day, Boris?

  • Steven Whalley

    Which unfortunate constituency will have Boris foisted upon them? If he wants to claim a seat before the election he had better hurry up, as the remaining constituencies without an adopted candidate are filling them fast. Failing that, an unexpected by-election in somewhere Boris-suitable before May 2015 might be his best hope. Or at a longshot, some disaffected sitting Tory might be persauded to end his/her career earlier than expected.

    As for UKIP, we regard Boris as a likeable character, but opportunistic, and clearly seeking a last chance to gain office within the familiar brotherhood of the Conservatives at Westminster, despite knowing that they are in decline. If he misses this chance, he may have to wait another five years in the wilderness outside of Westminster. As Boris the classicist might say: “Horae pereunt et Conservativis imputatntur”.

    • llbee

      You may like him, but do you like his support for blanket amnesty for all illegal immigrants and for Turkey joining with Britain in the EU?

  • EmilyEnso

    UKIP fear Boris?
    You must be kidding.
    Bring him on.
    What a buffoon.
    Even the died in the wool Tories must find him hard to take.
    Pro immigration.
    Turkey in the EU and 80,000,000 to move in to Britain.
    And now the old cameron Trick.
    Trying to sound anti the EU when we know he is absolutely pro EUSSR to the soles of his feet.
    Boris?
    Any constituency who selects him as candidate – must be desperate.
    And they will be insulting every voter in the seat.

  • Andrew Price

    I agree with Ed West’s analysis. I would add with Boris’s blatant jockeying for Cameron’s position , he could end up being a liability for the Conservative. This is the clearest signal Boris could possibly give that he believes Cameron will lose the General Election. UKIP and for that matter Labour are bound to make capital of this.

  • cambridgeelephant

    The above is pretty much right.

    This is all about Boris manoeuvring for the leadership. Everyone can see that. So it’s all about what happens after May 2015, not before.

  • Lady Magdalene

    If the Conservative Party doesn’t find itself a BOO Leader and adopt a policy of Sovereignty and independence, it is finished. BoJo won’t stop the process: too many potential Conservatives have decided that EU membership is not in the Britihs PEOPLES interests.

  • rtj1211

    ‘Boris could be caught in bed alongside a dead rent boy and all he’d have
    to say is ‘cripes, what-o!’ and everyone would laugh it off.’

    And that is what is wrong with you lot in the commentariat.

    Never ending moralising, but when it comes down to it, you won’t apply your standards universally.

    • Damaris Tighe

      Eh?

  • Kitty MLB

    You say Boris Johnson is a likeable character and popular.
    Thats part of the problem with politics. Its now so personal, they are not our friends to pop in the villiage pub with, but there to
    provide a service.And heaven forbid Miliband becoming PM but
    if that happened we’ll need a leader with fire in his belly and thats
    not Boris.He’s as I said before: Byron, a golden retriever and cricket on summer afternoons. And what is Nigel Farage? I have
    come across Mr Farage in Box Nr Bath…and he is very charming
    and genuine but much more and will there be UKIP without his
    enigmatic presence.

    • Wessex Man

      My dear Kitty if you are the very small viilage of Box ask our Banes Chairman also from Box for his clipping of the excellent article by Dr Julia Reid MEP in Monday’s Western Daily Press. She too is a star of Ukip, people derided me here when I said a Bio Chemist was standing in the West country, She stood and won a seat and she will win a Westminister Seat next year, along with all the real women who have risen to the top without postive discrimation in the only party to offer equal opportunity.

      Our party is attracting real people with real intellect not dummies straight from Unniversity!

  • Agrippina

    Boris is a keen europhile and of course he likes uncontrolled immigration to help his business chums. His gt grandfather was Turkish his wife is Indian, he knows that the levels of immigration are unsustainable.

    He needs to read Prof Rowthorn’s report on immigration and its impact on us. Prof Collier’s book on the same subject or David Goodhart’s work on the same issue.

    Rowthorn says that large-scale immigration will have a negative effect on standards of living as any economic benefits will be outweighed by pressures imposed by a much bigger population. Any gains would be small compared to strains placed onamenities such as housing, schools and hospitals. http://www.civitas.org.uk/immigration/index.php

    • Fergus Pickering

      I love the word chums. It has such a nice old world feel to it. A truly UKIP word, eh chums?

  • WatTylersGhost

    The only thing that Ukip fears is a Tory party that becomes conservative. But no chance of that.

  • http://www.brandaware.co.uk/ Paddy Briggs

    This is journalism? Aside from the grotesque offensiveness of sentences like “Boris could be caught in bed alongside a dead rent boy and all he’d have to say is ‘cripes, what-o!” the premise of the article is absurd. That premise is that anyone could care tuppence what effect Johnson’s possible leadership of the Conservative Party might have on the electorate’s views of UKIP. That in the run up to the 2015 electorate some prospective Tory voters, and quite a few prospective Labour ones, will for reasons best known to themselves vote UKIP is something that serious politicians have to deal with. But post 2015, whatever the precise outcome, we can be sure that UKIP will be a busted flush. Nigel Who? If the Tories win UKIP will have failed in their main goal of ousting David Cameron. If Labour wins (more likely) then the Tories will focus on beating them in 2020 ( or whenever). If they choose a new leader it will be the one who can beat Miliband. Either way Farage and his gang of pirates will be dead meat!

    • Alex Bolton

      Why would anyone be offended by that sentence? Who does it offend? Rent boys?

      • Fergus Pickering

        Only dead ones.

      • you_kid

        All those who pay rent and those who collect it?
        I am reliably informed it’s an ever-grwong number of punters.

    • Streben80

      You are rather easily offended, it must be a full time job.
      For balance I find your wig-like hairstyle offensive to my eyes, the 70’s are over, deal with it.

      • Smithersjones2013

        Don’t be harsh on him just because his mum still takes a basin to his head to cut his hair! Poor little Europhile probably can’t afford a real haircut!

        • http://www.brandaware.co.uk/ Paddy Briggs

          Pathetic.

          • Chingford Man

            Too right it’s pathetic. You should have gone to a barber.

        • http://www.brandaware.co.uk/ Paddy Briggs

          I did not mention Europe in my post.

      • http://www.brandaware.co.uk/ Paddy Briggs

        My hair is my own. Alive, well and healthy in 2014!

      • Damaris Tighe

        Looks like Tony Blackburn.

    • Fergus Pickering

      I thought the dead rent boy gag was funny. But then I am a vulgar fellow. Like our Nige which is one of the reasons I like him. You are a bit too sniffy for me.

      • Kitty MLB

        Since when have you been a vulgar fellow Fergus dear.
        Your a scholar and a gentleman. Besides you went to
        Oxford and there are standards. But your humour can
        be a little bit Tudor like.

      • Damaris Tighe

        It was very funny. Best laugh I’ve had in ages what with all this heavy existential stuff going on.

        • Fergus Pickering

          Ah, you are a soul mate.

          • Kitty MLB

            Oi, you. I thought that was me, how easily people can be replaced as they encounter others during this fleeting moment in the midst of time :)

            • Fergus Pickering

              I can have two soul mates, can I not?

              • Kitty MLB

                How many souls do you have? No you cannot. This is like Paris not deciding who to give that golden apple to and resulting in the Trojan war.
                Oh I just hope brave Scottish Allymax doesn’t turn up and open a can of worms, I can envisage this turning into a Spectator Trojan war.. where the devil is that horse, I need
                to check it for woodworm first. Who in this place would you give your last apple to.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  I would give it to you, Kitty, Golden Delicious as you are.

    • ButcombeMan

      Ousting Cameron is not kippers main goal.

      • Wessex Man

        well no but it would be nice to achieve that as well.

        • ButcombeMan

          Cameron, by ignoring much of his core vote, has probably ousted himself

    • Chingford Man

      “Either way Farage and his gang of pirates will be dead meat!”

      I’m afraid, Paddy, your argument is about as convincing as your hair-piece. See, I can do cheap insults too.

      • http://www.brandaware.co.uk/ Paddy Briggs

        My hair is my own. As authentic as your opinions are phoney.

        • Chingford Man

          How on earth can you say that my opinions are phoney? Be a Euro-toady if you like but don’t be an idiot into the bargain.

          • http://www.brandaware.co.uk/ Paddy Briggs

            Is that an apology?

            • Chingford Man

              No. Don’t insult members of UKIP as “pirates” and go whinging for apologies yourself.

          • http://www.brandaware.co.uk/ Paddy Briggs

            (2) I did not mention Europe in my post.

        • Wessex Man

          get away with you, you vain old fool.

    • Smithersjones2013

      It’s clueless dim-witted analysis such as yours that ensures that UKIP will continue to thrive. Firstly UKIP’s primary goal is not to stop the Tories but is to get a foothold in Westminster by winning one or more seats. Given Ashcroft’s recent polling it seems they are on course to achieve that (just like all the other achievements mindless establishment commentators said UKIP would not achieve).

      The Tories victorious or not will remain divided and dysfunctional with the liberal and conservative factions pulling the party in opposite directions as such there will continue to be leakage of members to UKIP in pure frustration at the Tory leadership and Labour will do as they usually do in Government which is disillusion voters (5 million of them between 1997 and 2010). Given UKIP has now targeted the much ignored working classes in such a scenario they would likely continue to pick up support from those voters.

      That Miliband is also a dedicated Europhiliac, in a period where Brussels will be making major advancements in terms of ever closer Union who will do nothing substantial about uncontrolled immigration will only make it that much easier for UKIP to remain in the public consciousness as will Miliband’s personal investment in the UK’s disastrous green energy policies.

      Its not even beyond the realms of possibility that Farage and a right minded Tory leader may unofficially adopt common viewpoints on Miliband’s mismanagement

      Only a fool would write off UKIP after 2015.

      • Chingford Man

        “Only a fool would write off UKIP after 2015.”

        i.e. Paddy the Little European.

        • http://www.brandaware.co.uk/ Paddy Briggs

          (3) I did not mention Europe in my post.

          • Chingford Man

            “Paddy has an eclectic range of interests including Sport, The Arts, Travel and Food and Drink and has written extensively on these subjects as well as on politics. He is a member of the Fabian Society and as such broadly but not slavishly supportive of the Labour Party. He is a strong pro-European and believes that Britain should play a fuller and more active role in the governance of the EU.”

            You are a Little European, damned in your own words. So don’t take umbrage when we point it out. Isn’t Google great.

            • http://www.brandaware.co.uk/ Paddy Briggs

              Thank you for taking an interest in me and my views. If you didn’t cowardly hide behind anonymity I might do the same for you.

      • http://www.brandaware.co.uk/ Paddy Briggs

        You take UKIP far too seriously. I can see no credible scenario that sees them becoming anything other than spoilers, as were the BNP for a while. Some influence on the outcome in 2015 by denying respectable parties votes. But I think that may turn out to be self-cancelling and not favour Labour more than the Tories. Incidentally I won’t descend to the level of insult with which you unhelpfully begin your rant.

        • Smithersjones2013

          I don’t care what you ‘see’. I’ve already informed you that I consider your analysis clueless and dim witted (you didn’t even know or purposely misrepresented what UKIP’s and Farage’s stated key objectives are) so why would your further unsubstantiated assertions change my mind?

          We get it. You don’t like what UKIP stands for so have conjured up a scenario which fits your deluded fantasy despite increasing evidence of something very different. By all means keep deluding yourself but don’t be surprised if you share such delusions that they are dismissed in strident terms

          PS You haven’t even begun to see me rant sunny and hopefully for your sake you never will

          • http://www.brandaware.co.uk/ Paddy Briggs

            I do try to remain “Sunny” despite occasional exposure to those who think volume is preferable to reason. Recommend dark room and quiet. Sleep well.

            • Smithersjones2013

              I do enjoy these novel definitions of ‘reason’. Recommend professional counselling and long term medicinal regime. Dream on………

            • Wessex Man

              A member of the Fabian Society, says it all.

        • ButcombeMan

          It is quite difficult to argue convincingly that the rise of UKIP and the key issues they push have not resonated across much of the electorate and are influencing the other parties and individual politicians.

          One only has to look at the amount of media space.

          Even if all UKIP achieves is change in others and only a handful of seats that is a worthy ambition

    • Damaris Tighe

      I thought the bit about the rent boy was rather funny.

    • Wessex Man

      Your obvious problem is that you think the mob currently residing in Westminster are serious! Their only serious concern is to make sure they are there for as long as possible with snouts in troughs.

      You represent all that is wrong with our elite in that you show the arrogance of Clegg and Cameron in your dismal of a politcal party that is at last appealing to the voters of all politcal colours. Carry on we are happy to have you trying to belittle us, it always means more votes for our party.

  • global city

    This piece by Tim Stanley is the funniest/stupidest article that I’ve read in years!

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100282622/boris-johnson-returns-to-parliament-and-ukip-exits-right-pursued-by-a-boris/

    • The Patriot

      Isn’t it just, I hope he reads the comments and feels as emabrrassed as he should be of that drivel..

  • Useno

    The fundamental truth about the Cameron Tories is unchanged .
    They are obsessively pro EU, pro mass immigration, pro big state and Johnson will not alter that , he will just spin it a bit differently and the British people are now pretty wise to Tory spin
    The only anti EU party is UKIP , the only party that stands up for Britain is UKIP and UKIP will confront the old parties next year and gain parliamentary representation.

    • Conway

      Boris wants an amnesty for illegal immigrants and for Turkey to accede to the EU. I think that’s all you really need to know!

      • goatmince

        Turkey Turkey Turkey …
        … you have nothing to report have you – I told you many times the Germans will not allow Turkey to accede. There is no Turkey issue. Britain has no Turkey issue. Turkey is not on the agenda. What some Mayor of Lon-don (where?) believed was good with regards to Turkey is of no relevance to anyone in Britain.
        It’s like asking Vitali K from Kiev what he believed was good for Chicken.

        • llbee

          Turkey may not join – but Boris’s support for such an idiotic position tells us all we need to know about him.

          • goatmince

            no it isn’t an ‘idiotic position’ – what it tells you is that he doesn’t call the shots.

  • Useno

    Good to see that UKIP support amongst the 18 to 24 age group is now at 13% and that UKIP youth membership is now at 2500.
    With support rising in Wales and Scotland and the stunning electoral successes over the last 15 months the omens look excellent for UKIP and a bit of Johnson spin whilst he still supports Turkey entering the EU and EU mass immigration won’t affect that.

  • Useno

    The Tories and their media supporters must be getting desperate if they are relying on Johnson to ride to their rescue.
    Yesterday’s Ashcroft poll had Tories at 30% and UKIP at 18%.
    Doesn’t look like the Tories will climb this particular mountain whatever Johnson does.
    The next nine months is going to be fun as the UKIP vote stays high and the Tories finally come to the awful realisation of the consequences of their misgovernment.

    • Fergus Pickering

      And why will that be fun?

      • The_Missing_Think

        In a word, schadenfreude.

        The gadflys are smirking, as they swarm.

        • Useno

          Not schadenfreude , what’s at stake is more important than that.
          It’s more exhilaration that there’s a bit of demicRcy coming back to Britain .

          • The_Missing_Think

            Maybe not for you, but ‘just deserts’ works for me.

            The Tories have earnt some harsh reality checks, they’ve ignored too many big problems, legitimate concerns brushed aside with disdain.

            • Useno

              :)
              Ok maybe a bit.

        • Fergus Pickering

          Yes, I give you that.

      • Useno

        It’s good to watch the complacency and arrogance being replaced by panic as denocrCy re asserts itself.

        • Fergus Pickering

          Yes. That is true.

  • John Dalton

    UKIP need not fear anyone in the Conservative ranks. The COnservative Party in its present form is a busted flush. Cameron and the lurch to the left has been an absolute disaster, winning the party no friends or voters on the left and hemhorraging votes on the right.

    • YahYah

      Yeh, just one minor bone to pick with that. There was a swing of 5% from Labour to the Conservatives, an increase of 3.7% in the vote share and the biggest seat gain since 1950 in the 2010 general election.

      Then there’s the fact that the Conservatives are still polling about 3% above their 2005 general election result, despite the fact that Ukip is polling close to 15%.

      • Alexsandr

        You make the error of thinking kippers are all ex tories. I am not so sure. I suspect many are those who found all liblabcon so unappetising they have not voted for a long time and others are labour deserters.

        • YahYah

          Did I? Where?

      • Rallan

        Poll results aren’t election results, and they don’t really report on motivation. Much of the Tory vote in 2015 will be people holding their noses for the sake of the economy.

        Regardless who takes office in 2015 a good number of voters will be praying that the UKIP threat will influence policies.

        • TrulyDisqusted

          Well, I won’t be one of them.

          I’m not voting for a bunch of liars and fraudsters I don’t like or respect just to keep out another bunch of liars and fraudsters whom I don’t like or respect.

          Since I know that I’m getting the bill no matter which team of liars and fraudsters gets in, this leaves me free to vote with my conscience.

          I’ll be supporting UKIP and if that somehow “let’s Labour in” it makes no odds to me.

          I’ll get the bill anyway.

    • global city

      Decimation is the loss of one in ten….the Tory decampment has been much greater than that! :)

    • Useno

      Very well said.

    • HookesLaw

      Ah gay marriage – you have to bring that in like a good little kipper bigot.
      And you are a good little hypocrite too when it turns out that a major ukip donor is making money out of wind farms.
      Welcome to the world of the screaming nutjob.

      • John Dalton

        You do a lot of name-calling on here I’ve noticed. I’ve humiliated you on this board before – don’t make me do it again.

      • Damaris Tighe

        No, the world of screaming nutjobs was over on Douglas’s Warsi article.

      • Wessex Man

        You are getting far too far worked up Hooky, you as an arrogant Tory should be pleased that Ukip is now taking votes off the Labour Party as well. Why I can see the Tories in alliance with UKip, it just won’t be with Cameron of Blow Joe in charge of the rump Tories.

      • Kitty MLB

        I thought when Nigel Farage partook in the TV debates a while ago
        he said in principle UKIP didn’t have an issue with gay marriage.
        Maybe the charming gentleman should inform his party of that fact.

        • Wessex Man

          He has.

      • morbidfascination

        Yes, the thing that was in neither the manifesto nor coalition agreement but was invested with a huge amount of political capital to force through, whilst other manifesto promises were left quietly to rot.
        Nothing to do with bigotry, simply expecting an elected politician to do his/her best to achieve what they said they would.

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