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Rod Liddle vs Mary Beard – the re-match. Tune in tonight to Any Questions

1 August 2014

1:02 PM

1 August 2014

1:02 PM

Last year, Rod Liddle waded into the Mary Beard ‘misogyny’ row. You may recall that Beard appeared on Question Time, and then complained about the ‘misogynistic’ abuse she received on Twitter when people disagreed with her. ‘The misogyny here is truly gob-smacking,’ whined Prof Beard. The abuse would be ‘quite enough to put many women off appearing in public’.

Nonsense, said Rod. ‘It is nothing to do with misogyny – it is just what people reach for when they, perhaps temporarily, hate someone’. Beard had, Rod said, managed to make ‘what can be politely described as an utter fool of herself’. Rod detailed the insults she suffered in consequence: some were ‘accurate refutations of her vacuous argument’, others were ‘expressions of annoyance at her middle-class, metropolitan insouciance’ and others ‘ridiculed her appearance’. The last was most important, Rod said, because Mary only ends up on TV because of the way she looks:

They think she looks like a loony. And the TV companies, the producers, love that. If they can’t get a hunk or a fox, they like an eccentric. It generates a reaction, not always entirely pleasant. And if Mary doesn’t grasp that her appearance is precisely why she — along with Grayson Perry — gets to be on TV, then she had best not look at what the genuine loonies have to say on Twitter.

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Mary Beard later confessed to the Guardian that she was ‘gob-smacked’ (again) by Rod’s article. So Rod clarified things for her with a quick blogpost:

My point was pretty simple: the abuse was not motivated by her gender, but by her insouciance and stupidity.

Mary hasn’t been put off the media either by Rod’s advice or the abuse of others: she’s on Any Questions tonight, alongside – and this tickles Mr S pink – Rod Liddle himself.

Oh to be a fly on the wall in that particular green room.

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  • ArchiePonsonby

    The unbeatable in pursuit of the unspeakable!

  • Harry Pond

    thing s I could not give one iota for your fuckin ego

  • Harry Pond

    bollocks

  • Harry Pond

    very good LOL

  • gelert

    Won’t be long the Beeb’s darling, Warsi, is back on.

  • Terry Field

    She is a gentle, kind-hearted lady of sophisticated sensibilities, possessed of expertise that predisposes her to love and live in the many worlds of abroad and the past.
    She is an antidote to the mean little local folk.
    But her prescriptions will morph into mob violence, as societies wish to have only controlled interaction with those of outsiders and ‘alien’ cultures.
    That is how we are, and there is nothing to be done about it.

  • Major Plonquer

    Did you know that “Mary Beard” is an anagram of “A Barmy Red”? Being lysdexic I spot these kinds of things. Then again, “Rod Little” is a nagaram of “Dire Troll”. There must be a deeper meaning to all this.

  • sebastian2

    Rod has a point surely. Mary Beard wouldn’t get on the telly if she didn’t look like Gandalf. It’s the stereotype of the eccentric intellectual that the “twerps” (I read that description elsewhere) in the Beeb are so smitten with. Being merely clever isn’t enough. You have to look either glamorous or wierd. The’ve dumbed down the Corporation content to a level that would shame a Junior School pupil but broadcast theatrical images of swots to compensate, I suppose.
    PS – Would Mary have whined if viewers’ comments had flooded in saying: “Mary Beard. Wow! What a hottie!!”?

  • Daidragon

    Liddle is an intellectual pygmy compared to Mary. Well he’s an intellectual pygmy full stop but you know what I mean.

    • The_greyhound

      There’s an indictment. Beard herself is dim even by the usual standards of women appointed to posts merely for reasons of positive discrimination.

      Still, I’m sure Mr Liddle will get over your brilliant and comprehensive critique.

  • eclair

    For heavens sakes gents, cant you see that the whole argument is stirred media billshut and you are playing the game. I should feel sorry for you because some dotty old dear has mouthed off some insane, twittish comments? Give it a rest girls.

  • davidr

    I think the issue is Tory Gutter Snipe Journalist versus Liberal Professor. Simple.

    • jjjj

      Yeeees, look who’s talking. You are the idiot who on the other thread asked in that faux naif manner why should ‘antisemitism’ refer to Jews? I’ll take the Tory over you lot any time.

      • davidr

        Educate yourself.

    • jjjj

      Yeeees, look who’s talking. You are the idiot who on the other thread asked in that faux naif manner why should ‘antisemitism’ refer to Jews? I’ll take the Tory over you lot any time.

  • lakelander

    Damp squibb. Beard was uncontroversial and Rod restrained and polite.

    I don’t know why the BBC wheel Mary Beard out. She says little of interest and lacks incisiveness.

    • Wessex Man

      yes it was a load of rubbish and I blame The Spectator for wasting my time!

    • CO Jones

      Beard was just about inarticulate, you know, um, err, I mean, actually, you know …

  • Spectre

    I hope – and trust – that Rod will devour her.

    • jjjj

      Double entendre?

      • Spectre

        Of ocurse not – Rod is a man of refined tastes.

  • http://www.jonathanbishop.com/ Jonathan Bishop

    My published research suggests that Rod Liddle is right. I found that in the case of Caroline Criado-Perez people did not troll/flame her because she was a woman, but because she was misandrist. Had she been a black person calling for more black people on banknotes then the same people (which included women) would have trolled/flamed her, but they would have used racist terms and not sexist ones. So in this case Mary Beard was not trolled/flamed because she was a woman, as Rod Liddle said she was trolled/flamed for what she said, and it was only because she was a woman that sexist language had been used – had she been a man some other personal characteristic would have been targeted.

  • global city

    How did it go? I was going to tune in, then thought……sod it.

    • mountolive

      I listened to it later on IPlayer Radio so all is not lost for you.

      Beard was inarticulate, vague, predictable and spoke with little authority. Her grasp of the subjects was slightly worse than the average person. In fact, I am staggered that she holds a professorship. Why anyone would want to listen to her opinion on anything outside of her own subject, I can’t think.

      Rod, conversely, was well prepared, spoke with authority, avoided the usual traps like being unnecessarily rude – a challenge of the highest order – and would have won a debate, had there been one, hands down. He was impressive.

      • Blindsideflanker

        Beard’s view of the Israeli Palestinian conflict ….its all the fault of the US arms industry . She is ignorant of the biggest killer in the way of arms, the Kalashnikov , yours for $100 in the back streets of Pakistan.

        As to immigration it seems her left wing ivory tower intelligentsia didn’t know how to respond to Liddle pointing out that it is the poor workers here who were getting screwed by mass immigration.

      • global city

        Thanks for that.

        Mary Beard us clearly one of those studious swots, who had to work really hard to make any info stick in her brain. A labourer, a slogger…a mediocre mind.

    • Wessex Man

      You missed nothing!

  • In2minds

    Beard is a bore, ideal for the BBC!

  • Liz

    People keep saying this stuff about men being open to conflict and tolerant of dissent, but I’ve rarely experienced anything like that in all the years I’ve had male friends and acquaintances. In my experience the rule is: One or more women object to something that happens in the group or express a wish for things to change, several (mainly) men close ranks, tells her that she’s being oppressive, hysterical, censoring them, engaging in witch hunts, being a PC feminazi, being emotional, not respecting the emotions of the man/men she’s criticising, blowing things out proportion, making stuff up, creating drama, etc., and they’ll consider her an enemy until she shuts up.

    I’ve never experienced any male-dominated group where a woman could raise an issue like that without (many of) the men in the group trying to shut her up by levelling a combination of the same 3 accusations against her (serious question, do they hand all of you identical scripts when you enter your teens?):

    1: Imply that she’s inferior and her judgement untrustworthy in a specifically female way, e.g.: “Hysterical”, “emotional”, “unreasonable”, “overreacting”, “that time of the month”, “hypersensitive”, “irrational”, “dramaqueen”, “stirring up trouble”, “victim mentality”, “not being able to handle it”, etc..
    2: Complain that she’s being too blunt and not sensitive enough in dealing with the apparently fragile male emotions, e.g.: “You have to tone it down and be reasonable”, “that kind of language is not acceptable”, “you’re chasing people away with that attitude”, “he’s just socially awkward, you should cut him some slack (i.e. put up with his behaviour)”, “maybe he has Asperger’s syndrome, you should cut him some slack (i.e. put up with his behaviour)”, “he’s had a very rough childhood, you should cut him some slack (i.e. put up with his behaviour)”, “he’s going through a rough patch right now, you should cut him some slack (i.e. put up with his behaviour)”, “you need to apply more face-saving, patience, or appeal to authority to smooth the process”, etc.
    3: Make comparisons to a kind of unacceptable political oppression that needs to be stamped out immediately without question, e.g.: “Witch hunt”, “censorship”, “politically correct tyranny”, “Marxist”, “feminazi” (bonus points for working in implied female inferiority), “preferential treatment”, etc..

    This is such a consistent pattern that I have absolutely no idea where anyone could possibly get the idea that male-dominated groups have even the slightest tolerance for dissent, are in any way open to people bringing up potential issues with the group, and don’t expect people to obey authority and toe the party line.

    Perhaps it’s some sort of sexism issue, maybe men really do treat each other with acceptance and openness to debate and dissent, and they just use their interactions to women to let out steam. Perhaps many men are just so fed up with having to be constantly accepting of other men’s rudeness that a single woman in a youtube video offhandedly mentioning “Guys, don’t do that” in regards to a particularly insensitive come-on attempt can cause thousands of them to break down into a raging pile of “arglebarglecensorshipfeminazifalserapeaccusationwitchhunt”. I don’t know, but I do know that the pattern of tolerance to open dissent which you describe is completely at odds with the very masculine tendency to send death and rape threats to women they disagree with.

    • The_greyhound

      whined Liz.

      • Liz

        Number one.

    • gerronwithit

      Why use one word when you have a whole dictionary to waste? Pity you just throw these words together randomly.

      • Liz

        Number 1.

  • Callan

    The ladies who appear on Question Time all appear to be cut from the same cloth as Ms. Beard. Thornberry, Soubry, Harperson to name but a few. With one notable exception – Melanie Phillips. The highlight of all the programmes I have seen has to be the way she smacked down the Labour plant in the audience and proceeded to give Cameron the fiercest dressing down he must surely have ever received. It’s on Youtube have a look. Especially you Cameron.

  • The Masked Marvel

    Well done for daring to mention Hamas might have the tiniest bit of responsibility. It seemed as if you started a micro-revolution on the panel, who clearly wouldn’t have dared be the first to speak heresy. Presumably you got a good laugh when Stourton, without a hint of self-awareness, cut you off by saying that was off message, just as you were about to have a go at BBC bias on the topic.

    However, you must be out of your tiny little mind if you think ‘we’ have learned to be more mistrustful of totalitarian ideologies, the sort of mindset which leads people to behave as if their beliefs are absolutely infallible. The people you call ‘faux Left’ are just that sort, as are all the young political activists posing as journalists or artists (you know who they are). Your soft old Labour has given way to an ideology that’s every bit as fascist and oppressive as the old ones you declared done and dusted. Progressivism is just that sort of absolutist thinking, and it’s growing.

    Nice use of what you call your ‘middle class voice’ on the negatives of rapid, mass immigration (pity you didn’t spell it out like that, but never mind) on the economic repercussions felt by the poorest and most vulnerable whom your former colleagues at the BBC claim to care about most. Your turn at being Mrs. Duffy. No wonder you’re published mainly in Murdoch rags with that sort of heresy.

    You’re still unspeakably ghastly, though.

  • global city

    Here’s an inspiring talk… sad that Cameron is so far left that he does not even get a all out!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMjm1zDBY-k

  • edithgrove

    Well they’re all cosy tonight, ‘I’m with Rod tonight’, ‘Mary this’, ‘Mary that’. Not so much a re-match as a love-in. Did Mary mockney up her accent or was it always like that?

  • Liz

    “whined Prof Beard”

    Whined Steerpike.

    • The_greyhound

      Whined Liz.

      Oops. Tautology.

  • Liz

    Is being horrible to women, The Soectator’s schtick? Saddos.

  • saffrin

    Mary Beard; pig ignorant.

  • Gwangi

    Men online regularly face abuse, harassment, intimidation and violent threats, in a bid to silence them and remove them from public debate.

    Women online regularly face abuse, harassment, intimidation and violent threats, in a bid to silence them and remove them from public debate.

    The difference? Well, the former (males) just get on with it, debate vigorously, if necessary block abusers and don’t make an enormous hysterical pity party out of a bit of name-calling. They have common sense and possess a backbone.

    The latter, (the ladies), by contrast, get hysterical and self-pitying, cannot cope with criticism, especially robust and confrontational debate, cannot work a computer properly so can’t work out how to block people they dislike (and deliberately don’t even if they do know how, as they so adore the attention and sympathy their online ‘abuse’ is getting them), love playing the victim to the hilt and wear it as a badge of honour in feminuttery circles for the femi-kudos and sympathy – and then, absurdly, get the police involved, wasting millions in public money and getting innocents arrested and even imprisoned for expressing opinions. These silly bints need to grow up and to do a course in common sense. They also seriously need to grow a backbone. Feeble whingers, the lot of em.

    With women like that around, is it any wonder so many men are gay eh?

    • Liz

      “Men online regularly face abuse, harassment, intimidation and violent threats, in a bid to silence them and remove them from public debate.”

      And don’t they whine about it, they whine about every bit of criticism of them, deny, deflect, bawl, attack, stalk, mob, bully, intimidate, threaten, harass, they don’t just wait for offence to find them, they go to women’s blogs and swamp them and whine some more.

      “Women online regularly face abuse, harassment, intimidation and violent threats, in a bid to silence them and remove them from public debate.”

      Yeah they face much much more. From, see above.

      • Wessex Man

        You and Gwangi should both be put in a locked room for a few days to debate all that ‘stuff’ you both suffere from.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRae5mRoRE Shenandoah

          I’m sure it would be hot stuff! Heh heh heh.

    • Ooh!MePurse!

      Your final sentence is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever read. Is it meant to be a joke?

    • MrsDBliss

      I strongly disagree. Let me clarify for you;
      “Women online regularly face abuse, harassment, intimidation and violent threats, in a bid to silence them and remove them from public debate.

      The difference? Well, the former (males) just get on with it, debate vigorously, if necessary block abusers and don’t make an enormous hysterical pity party out of a bit of name-calling. They have common sense and possess a backbone.

      The latter, (the ladies), by contrast,

      START #WOMEN AGAINST FEMINISM
      See what I did there? 😀

    • Wessex Man

      I already knew you hah a problem now I see it extends to half the human race, I do hope your wife checks your output.

      • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRae5mRoRE Shenandoah

        He doesn’t have one.

      • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRae5mRoRE Shenandoah

        He doesn’t have one. I’ve had run-ins with ‘Gwangi’ (Eddie) before. He suffers at times from a complete lack of charity, a serious projection tendency, and a crass sophistry that a child could see through. When he’s calm he’s quite clubbable and even reasonable on most subjects except American exceptionalism, which he denies despite the evidence, and sm|_|t, of which he is fond. Oh, and he’s a misogynist, who has told me blankly that I hold opinions I do not in fact hold and that I made statements I did not in fact make. Not a dodgy philosopher: just dodgy.

  • Agrippina

    Perhaps Mr Liddle could ask Prof Beard if she has read a report by a colleague of hers, regarding uncontrolled immigration.

    The report from Civitas found that large-scale immigration will have a negative effect on standards of living as any economic benefits will be outweighed by pressures imposed by a much bigger population.

    In a report on economic consequences of immigration, Cambridge University economist Robert Rowthorn said any gains would be small compared to strains placed on amenities such as housing, schools and hospitals.

    The 85-page report out today says that as a result gross domestic product would grow as a whole but GDP per capita would be only marginally affected by projected population growth forecast for the coming century.

    Mr Rowthorn, Emeritus Professor of Economics at Cambridge University, said: “Unrestrained population growth would eventually have a negative impact on the standard of living through its environmental effects such as overcrowding, congestion and loss of amenity.”

  • AJH1968

    Mary Beard and Catherine Ashton represent the triumph of
    mediocrity in modern times. As for their debating skills I think having an
    argument or debate with them is a bit like being savaged by a teletubby. And
    yes Mary Beard, appearances do matter one has to question the erudition of a
    women that looks like a bag lady. I do appreciate that Oxbridge dons do not
    look like and dress like movie stars, but neither do they go out of their way
    to look like somebody who has fallen out of the ugly tree and hit every branch
    on the way down.

    • RobertC

      Mary Beard hasn’t started a war in Ukraine, so is that more of a triumph, or less?

      • vieuxceps2

        Neither have I . Or you.Do we now claim non-mediocrity status?

    • Icebow

      I hold no brief for her Leftie tendencies, but she’s a fairly average-looking woman of her age. Your insult would be unjustified, though, even were it an accurate description.

      • Donafugata

        If there were such a thing as bag lady hair, Mary Beard has it.
        At a time when everyone on TV has to looked groomed within an inch of their lives, Mary Beard’s hairstyle is at least rather eccentric and makes her different which is what Rod is saying.

    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRae5mRoRE Shenandoah

      Ms Beard is a healthy-looking woman with regular features, a fair clear skin, and a full head of hair — which is more than could be said of many men her age (or younger). Not being beautiful is a particular curse of womanhood that is doubly unfair because men can be plain and still have lovers and acclaim and not be laughed at when they present themselves as ‘leading men’ (Woody Allen, anybody?).

      • AJH1968

        My post does do directly imply that she is unattractive I
        find nothing physically repulsive about her but the sixties are over, and while
        the grunge look may appeal to her toadies it frankly annoys everybody else. As
        to her comments perhaps a more confident Mary Beard would give the public
        better arguments rather than bland platitudes. As to the hypocrisies regarding
        male celebrity your point is well taken, but I challenge anybody to find more
        witty ripostes than Woody Allen even if he looks likes a bucket of ugly’s.

    • girondas2

      “And yes Mary Beard, appearances do matter one has to question the erudition of a
      women that looks like a bag lady”

      Sorry, but I just don’t get that.
      Would her argument make more sense if she were to put the bag over her head?

  • The Masked Marvel

    The BBC like her not only because of the eccentric look but because she holds all the approved thoughts and smiles while she says naughty words when laughing at Roman amorous graffiti. The place is run by emotional adolescents.

    • davidr

      I agree. The BBC is shameful. It’s been allowed to become what it is. Joe Public forgets he pays for it. DON’T PAY YOUR LICENSE FEE. SIMPLE.

  • Hototrot

    Rod and Mary- both faces for radio.

    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRae5mRoRE Shenandoah

      Rod is kind of cute.

      Love the name and avatar!

      • Hototrot

        Why thank you kind Sir/Lady/Other.
        Rod does have a certain physical appeal -.but I’m a bloke, so what do I know.

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRae5mRoRE Shenandoah

          Blokes know more than they’re willing to admit, I think — while women confess freely who among them has ‘it’ and who does not. (I’m your middle option, by the way.)

  • CrashDive

    Her appearance on QT when she talked about immigration not being a problem in Boston, Lincs and UK; and how those who thought it was were stupid and ignorant also alluding to them being racists – generated the response because she upset a lot of people.

    Liddle is entirely correct about this out of touch Liberal Elite Faux Leftie.

    • IainRMuir

      “Liddle is entirely correct about this out of touch Liberal Elite Faux Leftie.”

      Which he expands on very well in his “Selfish, Whining Monkeys” book. Enjoyed it.

      • lakelander

        Reading it now. Excellent book which elicits the odd chortle.

    • John Lea

      Spot on! And the reason for her out-of-touch beliefs? Why, a local council report of course, which seemingly confirmed that having thousands of Roma gypsies living next door was not only a multicultural blessing for which the locals in Boston should be eternally grateful, but also an economic shot in the arm for the local community. But hey, she lives in leafy Cambridge. I imagine the only immigrant she has ever had contact with is some Lithuanian professor of Marxist history at Selwyn College. Daft old boot.

      • Sam Ridley

        Somebody has never been to Cambridge…

        • John Lea

          Somebody is intentionally missing the point…

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRae5mRoRE Shenandoah

          He’s a con artist (have a look at the current Miriam Gross article, below which he claims to have some non-existent glandular disease and special non-melting ice cream he eats especially while consulting about his obesity!).

  • Gwangi

    Could someone (a man, a grown-up) explain to Winnie (AKA Mary) Beard how to use the BLOCK button on Twitter. She seems to be unable to work it out. Bless.

    There is a spate of these incidents where women – yep always women – play the victim after they have suffered ‘abuse’ online. WELL LEARN HOW TO BLOCK, femi-morons! Easy peasy. For a man, anyway. But for these women, anyone would think they wanted to be offended and called names online, all the better to play the poor wickle victim and get that BBC series they always craved… (EH, MARY?)

    The fact ANYONE was even arrested for stating an opinion on Twitter is very worrying – NOT the fact some irritating old crone gets called names (I think feminists make name-calling of opponents and men their own speciality anyway, but they’re never arrested, are they?) The abuse is all against men and in the name of the law now – all so Plod can get more arrests for non-crimes to meet targets in an era of falling crime.

    2 emails will get you arrested these days. Stating the truth on Twitter and Facebook will too. No wonder young Muslims go and fight Jihad. A country where such silliness happens has lost it completely.

    • John Clegg

      Your post about women and whinging reminded me of something an army friend told me. He was fed up with women moaning that men always left the loo seat up. He said that loo seats had hinges that let the seat lift up or down and women should just practice using it!

      • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRae5mRoRE Shenandoah

        That’s just stupid. Women want the loo lid down because no one likes to see the innards of a loo, any more than one wants to see your own guts during an operation. Why this is so hard for the male brain to fathom is a mystery.

        It’s also a courtesy to women to keep the seat down, since most of the time, the seat down is most useful. The seat UP serves only the man. Therefore, when he leaves the seat up he is claiming that his usual needs are the only ones that matter. And he never even cleans the loo in compensation.

        I rest my case, Yuronner.

        • girondas2

          Truly, I didn’t realise that it was so important.
          You learn a little something every day.
          Actually my wife had me fit one that closed of it’s own volition, so I guess I had my suspicions that something was bugging her.
          It was okay until it started to malfunction.

    • Liz

      How about this, just for kicks an giggles?

      When men behave badly, really really badly, instead of telling women what they need to do differently to avoid it or stop it happening to them, we expect men to be accountable for their own actions?

  • Jack

    If everyone ignored everything said on Twitter the world would be that much better. Remember when Twitter happenings weren’t news? Those were the days I tell you and no mistake.

    • Uncle Brian

      I don’t have twitter. Am I missing anything?

      • MikeF

        No.

        • Uncle Brian

          Thank you, Mike. Just what I suspected.

        • Airey Belvoir

          No.

      • HenryWood

        I can trump that – I don’t have Facebook either!

        • disqus_KdiRmsUO4U

          I am on facebook book with zero information about myself and regularly get communications claiming ‘so and so’ wants to know me better.

          re Beard: I believe absolutely that it IS unacceptable to criticise her appearance.

          He ‘softie woftie’ inaccurate views on immigration deserve to be subject to the harshest analysis.
          Personal abuse is neither appropriate or required.

          All political views need to be treated so.

      • Fergus Pickering

        No.

      • Jack

        No.

      • Wessex Man

        You are not missing anything at all and you have a life!

        • Uncle Brian

          Thank you all. The Noes have it. And not a single solitary twitterer or tweeter to stand up for herself or himself!

      • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRae5mRoRE Shenandoah

        Yes — and count yourself lucky!

  • zanzamander

    BBC is using tabloid tactics. They know there is a history between these two and are hoping for an increase in audience figures, many will tune in for the first time to hear what happens.

    Mary Beard will say some positive things about multiculturalism and the audience will applaud her, Rod will scoff at her and the same people will applaud him.

    It is a ridiculous lefty programme anyway.

  • Mr Grumpy

    I have absolutely no problem with the way she looks, however that flash of posh bling between the tresses tells me that this is not someone too busy living the life of the mind to bother with her image.

    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRae5mRoRE Shenandoah

      Most people aren’t: not if they have time to appear on telly.

  • global city

    Rod. if the EU comes up it is worth reminding the audience that europhiles are still lying about the project and where everyone else understands it’s destination.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WPfYZNaiT4

  • Gwangi

    Just called Beard by her real name: Winifred (Winnie for short). Then of course she’ll bring up her front bottom and how abused she was by a misogynist world… Yawn…
    Why must the BBC and political programmes especially keep parachuting in such non-entities – ‘positive action’ that means utterly 4th rate women and ethnics end up on these shows? Plus idiot celebrities and stand-up comedians. Tokenism and a desperate and failed attempt to be hip and attract a young audience…

    • Fergus Pickering

      Oh come. There are plenty of people less entertaining than Mary Beard on the show..

      • Gwangi

        If you want entertainment Fergus, might I suggest BBC 3 or CBBC?

        There was a day when people on Question Time and Any Questions knew what they were talking about because they had serious jobs and roles and were experts in their field often. These days, it all looks wonderfully diverse and gender-balanced and boring too. And of course Any Answers is hosted by a two-fer (ethnic and female) who is obviously from a stinking rick public school background (unlike most white men…)

        • Fergus Pickering

          You do have a thing about public schools, Gwangi.. I never found or find that not having gone to one has affected my life chances in the least. And pity the poor children torn from their families to live with other children ALL THE TIME. Children in the mass are all fascists and thrive on violence. I am amazed they get through it.

          • Gwangi

            Not a thing about public schools at all.
            Just that I am heartily sick and tired of women and ethnics claiming they are somehow oppressed and underprivileged, despite their wealth, connections and very often public school education (Harriet Harman, Chukka Umuna etc). The BBC is full of very privileged ethnics and women who have used their race and gender to get unfair advantage over nasty white men. They have benefitted for racism and secksism in their favour and thus have leapfrogged over better (and poorer) white males.

            • Fergus Pickering

              Well, I’m with you there. But I reiterate. ALL schools are awful. Anybody who likes the place has serious issues.

    • global city

      it shows how poor the result is of that tactic when Joey Barton ended up being one of the more ‘bright’ commentators from out of the ‘diversity’ quota.

      • Wessex Man

        Joey barton was put on the panel becauser they wanted car crash TV

        • global city

          Yes. One aspect of the ‘diversity’ agenda.

  • Bert

    The audiences are always made up of local Unite members.
    Rods objectivity and common sense has got no chance against the loonies.

    • Wessex Man

      Much like Question Time then.

    • realfish

      Not to forget the NUT activists who are invited along.

      BTW: Aware of the increasingly close links that the BBC has with the Trades Unions, one senior manager in a public service industry told me that if they want to know what campaign or dispute is heading is their way, they always keep an eye out on the local BBC News, who seem to be the first port of call (and an open door) for the unions involved.

  • Diggery Whiggery

    Mary Beard is essentially saying agree with me or you’re a misogynist.

    How can you argue against that?

    • Geronimo von Huxley

      White squaw stupid. Squaw cook dinner for Geronimo every day. Squaw and Geronimo happy.

      • Tim

        Not remotely funny.

        Stop it

        • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRae5mRoRE Shenandoah

          Perhaps he wishes it were true….

      • davidr

        Are you taking your medicine?

      • ArchiePonsonby

        Heap good! Keep it up!

    • Jack

      The misogyny accusation was against some twitterer who likened her vagina to rotting vegetables. People talk all sorts of nonsense on twitter and all of it should be ignored, but the rotting veg vag person was in a slightly different category to one of just disagreement. Beard’s mistake was to confuse trolling with anything other than trolling.

      • Diggery Whiggery

        It doesn’t matter which comment she was referring to. As Rod little pointed out, her views as she expressed them were considered to be utterly daft by a large number of people who not only fundamentally disagreed with them but also felt her ‘insouciance’ to be patronizing and divorced from reality.

        Now some people managed to express their disagreement in a calm and reasoned way and others resorted to insults based on her appearance and gender. However, that doesn’t mean that the person that insulted her is a misogynist i.e. that he hates, dislikes, mistrusts women on principle.

        As Rod Little pointed out, if she drew an angry reaction it wasn’t because people disliked the fact that she was a woman, but that her views were irresponsibly and dangerously aloof from reality.

        • davidr

          “………but that her views were irresponsibly and dangerously aloof from reality”.

          A tad like the Tories, then?

          • Diggery Whiggery

            Badum Tchsssssh;

            • davidr

              ……….and that’s your best response?

              • Diggery Whiggery

                Badum, Badum Badah, Wow Wow Wah, Tchsssh (jazz hands)

                • davidr

                  Eat your heart out, Bill Bruford.

                • Diggery Whiggery

                  Cachaçaaaaaaah!

        • Mike

          In truth, many thoght her views were arrogant and insulted our intelligence. If someone from such a background appears on QT and insults us in this manner she should expect a variety of responses and not all of them objective.

    • The_greyhound

      She’s rather thick, and a second-rate scholar. It’s a necessary defence mechanism for her and her kind.

      • davidr

        I take you’re fairly intimate with her day to day life and her work then.

    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRae5mRoRE Shenandoah

      Well it’s the same thing with Obama. Agree with him and let him run roughshod over the American Constitution as the Furthest Left President in American history, or else you’re a racist. Ain’t it lovely?

      • Diggery Whiggery

        I’m afraid he is your Tony Blair.

        He is an image only. He is destroying America from the inside, just because he doesn’t understand or want to understand what America was, is and should be and he is now going to dilute America to change America whether she likes it or not.

        Blair did the same thing to the UK and we’re now in a mess because of his cultural and constitutional barbarism. We have a muslim problem, you have a Mexican problem and neither of us have the leaders with the courage to do what is necessary.

        This can only end badly.

  • Blindsideflanker

    Beard used comments about her appearance to claim victim-hood, as a way to defect from her crass ignorant statement about immigration.

    • John Dalton

      I don’t understand why my comment is waiting to be approved? There is nothing unacceptable in it?

      • Blindsideflanker

        If your post has gone away for approval it has been lost for good, never to be seen again. I would suggest you try to repost it with different spellings on any word that might be deemed as offensive. I had three goes on one post before I found the offensive word it was ‘feline ( change this word to one beginning with ‘p’) footing’

        • The Laughing Cavalier

          I had the same recently – the censor (automated?) objected to use of the word aitch ee ell ell.

          • davidr

            It’s because Tories aren’t supposed to use such words. Try hades next time.

          • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRae5mRoRE Shenandoah

            Yep: not allowed to speak of h=ll in the Comments, even though words such as Secks properly spelled and h=ll properly spelled appear in articles and headlines. We’re just the plebeians, see?

            • ArchiePonsonby

              I rather think that it’s because DISQUS is American, hence the red lines under “harbour” etc. They don’t do irony, sarcasm or intellect!

              • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fa4HUiFJ6c Shenandoah

                Who is ‘they’? Americans do it all the time. With the best of them.

                • ArchiePonsonby

                  I disagree; and I know enough of them to have an informed opinion!

                • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fa4HUiFJ6c Shenandoah

                  I am one, and I’m sure I know more of them than you do!

                • ArchiePonsonby

                  Well, you would say that, wouldn’t you?

                • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fa4HUiFJ6c Shenandoah

                  Because I’m American, married to an American, and live in America… yes I would. You’ll have to try harder than that.

                • ArchiePonsonby

                  With a name like Shenandoah? You ARE full of surprises!

      • Mike

        Yep, its happened to me a few times and I’ve been at a loss to understand why.

      • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRae5mRoRE Shenandoah

        Trip words. Just put in asterisks or re-spell phonetically…. I do it all the time.

    • Mike

      Thats true of the left over any contentious subject. They can dish it out but cant accept valid criticism because they have no real argument to defend their position, Hence the sexist, racial or some other card is played as a defence mechanism.

  • anyfool

    Let us see if Beard backtracks on her previous self pitying excuse of it being down to gender, more likely she will confirm the standards at universities has been dropping since the sixties and she actually received her professorship for just being a woman.

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