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Nigel Farage’s immigration deluge hasn’t arrived. But it doesn’t matter.

13 August 2014

7:22 PM

13 August 2014

7:22 PM

So Nigel, where’s your flood? You know, the one involving Bulgarians and Romanians that you predicted last year. That deluge? You got it wrong, didn’t you? Ner-ner-di-ner-ner.

It must be very tempting for people who don’t like Nigel Farage to spend today chuckling, scrolling through the ONS website and waving their mouse with a satisfied flourish at the finding that the number of people from these countries who are employed in the UK has risen by 13,000 from the same period last year, when transitional controls were still in place.

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The Ukip leader had predicted 5,000 a week, but his forecasts look as good as David Silvester’s attempts at dabbling in meteorology. It has given Farage’s critics another opportunity to accuse him of ‘scaremongering’. Presumably Keith Vaz is also wondering when would be a good moment to point out that it was his personal patrolling of the border on New Year’s Day that solved the crisis. When will Farage admit he’s wrong?

This game will continue for a while: there will enough releases from the Office for National Statistics to keep everyone happy. But even if Farage turns out to be entirely wrong about the ‘deluge’, he’s unlikely to be staring dolefully at the latest figures while his critics chuckle with glee. And this is because however many migrants from Bulgaria and Romania turn up, Farage has already won.

He’d won before the transitional controls had even been lifted at the end of 2013. Voters were already unhappy about immigration: they didn’t need more migrants to persuade them that they wanted to hear more from Westminster after being ignored for too long. Farage sent the political classes into a spin, announcing tougher and tougher measures to crack down on benefit tourism and other things that aren’t actually a massive problem but which are the only way politicians in the European Union can look tough on EU migration. It’s not just that he spent 2013 making the Tories squeal with fear, but he’s seen Labour and the Lib Dems toughen up their policies on immigration too. He doesn’t need the numbers: he’s already got what he wanted: influence in Westminster without even holding a Parliamentary seat.

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  • Dave Cockayne

    Before Labour decided to ‘rub our noses in diversity’ 13,000 immigrants from the entire world would have been considered a lot. Now 13,000 official immigrants from 2 countries as published by an organisation that has been lying to us for 15 years about the true scale of immigration is a cause for celebration?

    I think not.

  • evad666

    David Blunkett started the rot with http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4051827.stm and even now only the super rich benefit.

  • Euravinalaugh

    So we’re looking at “working” immigrants, not their families and not those not working or who haven’t registered for an NI number, so those figures don’t look so accurate now do they.

  • revkevblue

    What a sad contemptuous effort of an article to misreport what an honest man has said.
    Isabel Hardman does it not bother you that the whole of the country now know you are a liar?

  • GraveDave

    I’d gladly have one thousand Bulgarians if we could get shot of that Teflon coated creep, Vaz.

  • JamieEngland

    He did say could come here, the media and apologists twisted it to seem like he stated it as it would happen.

    A lot of difference between would and could in the real world.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      Yes, the media muppets are merely recycling their previous hysterics here, which included that nonsense .

  • whs1954

    Anyone can do the sort of sneering Ms Hardman identifies:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/11029167/Upsetting-minorities-will-put-David-Cameron-on-a-shortcut-to-oblivion.html

    “The tensions in Mr Simmond’s Boston constituency are the last howl of a world superseded by the multi-ethnic melting pot of London”

    I’m no fan of Farage, who seems to think drinking in a pub, getting photographed doing it, and bloviating is a substitute for a serious plan to tackle this sort of thing, but for any politician to sneer that this year’s load of Bulgarians in the UK is merely 13,000 more than last year’s is hubristic. One Bulgarian more than last year is more than enough, and last year’s tally was more than enough too.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      The first job of a leader is to define reality. It is the most important thing a leader must do. You’ll find that timeless observation fits well here. The Speccie teenager wants to mask reality, while UKIP wants to expose it and definite it for what it is. What’s UKIP’s plan for after, you ask? That’s a premature question, you might now agree. For, does “the plan” really matter, if we fail to define reality? It will never matter, if we fail this first job of leadership.

      • Damaris Tighe

        Defining reality is difficult if you don’t have the vocabulary available – which is what pc tried to do. It worked for a few decades but now, because of Farage & UKIP, is beginning to fall apart so we can at last have a public debate about immigration.

  • Rillian

    UKIP were right in Romania and Bulgaria Migration Predictions:

    http://www.ukip.org/ukip_were_right_in_romania_and_bulgaria_migration_predictions

  • saffrin

    The fact the media aren’t reporting on thousands of daily arrivals doesn’t mean thousands aren’t arriving daily Isabel.

  • https://belasariust.wordpress.com/ solly gratia
    • Denis_Cooper

      Which is very reasonable:

      “In particular these figures show that migrants from Bulgaria and Romania have totalled 13,000. At this rate it would mean 52,000 by the end of the year. At the start of the year UKIP was ridiculed for quoting predictions by Migrationwatch that 50,000 Romanians and Bulgarians would come to live and work in the UK in 2014. It just goes to show that UKIP were absolute right and the only party to talk honestly on the subject.”

      • saffrin

        Everybody is guessing; including UKIP.
        If the Romanian’s and Bulgarian’s are as skint as they say they are, most could well have smuggled themselves into the country for free in the back of a truck.
        Only coming to the surface when they hit the government for some freebee or get picked up by the fed’s for some criminality.

  • CharlietheChump

    You assume the figures are correct. What about illegals?

    Even so, the point is they, and 47.35million others (or whatever), CAN come. Whenever they like.
    No “Permission” necessary.
    Not even a note from their Mum’s.
    Now do you see??

  • Fraser Bailey

    What an ill-informed and sneering article. After 35 years as a Spectator reader I’m disgusted.

    • saffrin

      Took long enough.

  • http://english-pensioner.blogspot.co.uk/ english_pensioner

    Well, 150,000 Romanians and Bulgarians sounds like a flood to me!
    If they hadn’t come, our unemployment figures would be lower and wages on the rise and the younger generation would be able to find homes.

    • saffrin

      …and jobs.

  • Jacques Strap

    So how come immigration numbers are extremely high? Are you aware the increase in numbers started BEFORE the transitional controls were lifted as people came here in preparation to jump on the jobs que as early as possible?

  • Mike

    Firstly, the immigration numbers are only those that are on the books, what about those that aren’t recorded.

    But apart from that, if I was a potential immigrant to a country like the UK and had been reading that I wouldn’t be welcome and that benefits were going to be severely constrained for newcomers like me, (ie no more benefit tourism) does it not ocurr to Ms. Hardman that perhaps I might change my ideas about coming to the UK.

    Perhaps this is exactly what has happened here and had Farage or IDS failed to get their seperate messages across, we may well have been flooded with immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania. Ms. Hardman should accept that which ever way this had turned out, it doesn’t prove Farage right or wrong nor does it prove the progressives right either. The one thing that Farage was right about and has always been right about is the ‘risk’ of being flooded with immigrants is still there due to EU rules. That is incontestible Ms. Hardman !

  • Sean L

    They’re everywhere around here, Tottenham. I judge by what I see and hear for myself. Why should I believe media reports or government statistics over my own direct experience? And if it’s not actually thousands and they’re not all housed and fed at public expense, *and* robbing and thieving habitually, that’s how it looks and feels. There’s a detached house on Beaconsfield Rd, just a few minutes walk from Seven Sisters station, full of them, in and out all day, all ages, all at public expense, in a house worth well over half a million. Perhaps that’s an exception. But I doubt it.

  • Ooh!MePurse!

    Oh that stupid grinning face. The face to launch a Labour government.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      …only if you split the UKIP vote, lad.

    • Jacques Strap

      In Doncaster?

    • saffrin

      Better to launch a government on Labour’s face.

  • uberwest

    No, he hasn’t got what he wants. What he and millions of others want is a referendum on membership of the EU.

    • Damaris Tighe

      Good point.

  • English Majority

    Let’s be honest: EU immigration is not the main problem at all.

    The problem is Third World (all black and Muslim) immigration. And not just present and future Third World immigration, but the last 50 years of it. Said Third World immigration is the main cause of every single problem our nation and civilisation now suffers.

    • dado_trunking

      Let’s be honest: EU immigration is not the main problem at all.

      The problem is that we virtually switched off all our (Russian) coal plant and import Norwegian gas in return, four months ago:
      http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

      That is of course not free, so the Norwegian souvereign wealth fund took payment – now they own 75% of Regent Street and 64% of the back streets too.
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/constructionandproperty/11024354/Crown-Estate-fends-off-foreign-bidders-to-buy-slice-of-Mayfair-from-Church-of-England.html

      What does that do to the balance of trade? Manufacturing is also down, tax receipts are down as wage growth is down. And your lot worry about what?

      • the viceroy’s gin

        Let’s be honest: If you and your sockpuppet army were all deported, it’d probably cure at least half the immigration problem.

        • dado_trunking

          … if the fascist says so.

          You will deport no one, laddie – indigenous or otherwise. Those who own your sorry a**e will continue to own it.

          If you’re a good boy we might send you back to boarding school for reeducation.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            …yes, you fascists are good about rounding people up for “reeducation”, as we know historically, eh lad?

      • saffrin

        As far as I know the BNP is the only party proposing reopening our coal mines.
        Are you BNP now dadio?

        • dado_trunking

          Q: What is the BNP?
          A: the unofficial online subsidiary of ukip.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            …did the goat confirm that, lad?

  • Streben80

    I distinctly recall Nigel saying that these people had unrestricted access, I dont recall him saying that 29 million would come, only that they would then have the chance, but then my ears work ok, I dont suffer from selective deafness.

    • HookesLaw

      Pathetic comment. Farage was going round saying millions could come here. Now you want to nuance the dog whistle. He knew he was running a scare story to drum up votes.

      • Colonel Mustard

        What he said was the truth. If millions want to come here they can. There is no control.

        The security and well-being of a country are not guaranteed by the gormless platitude that “they probably won’t come” even though they can and do.

        Very peculiar too, given how the clowns in Westminster are risk averse to just about everything else.They are worried about what people look at on the internet, what wine bottle labels say, how much sugar there is in breakfast cereal – but a critical risk to infrastructure and sustainability, not a problem!

      • Holly

        …And millions have come here, enjoyed what the millions before them built up, and now there is nothing left.
        It is the MSM, and the politicians who are the one’s, quite rightly getting the grief from the public, not Farage.

        For years I supported Cameron and up until quite recently I had nothing remotely nice to say of Farage.
        But having watched as Cameron gave in to the Lib Dems over and over again, against his backbenchers, just to ‘keep the peace’ in the Coalition, I have come to the conclusion he is not the person we need to sort out our ties to Europe in a way that is in the nation’s interest.
        2017 is too long to have to wait to get control of our borders and justice system, and even then, we have no guarantee that the re-negotiations will have been concluded, or be in our favour, so why wait?
        Farage does not need to ‘win’ the argument on our Sovereignty or border control, the politicians and the MSM have done the job for him by failing to be open and honest with the public.

        It will bite them on the backside next year, and they only have themselves to blame.
        I hope UKIP trounce the three main parties.
        I hope the biggest names get booted out, and we can then start to get back what was always ours and should never have been given away so freely over the decades, by both parties.

        • Lady Magdalene

          Sounds like you should be putting your money where your mouth is and joining the peasants’ revolt.

          • rugby god

            I thought it was the Peoples Army???

            • Lady Magdalene

              Same thing. BoJo referred to us as the Peasants’ Revolt and I have previously referred to it as that when posting.

      • fubarroso

        Did he say anything that was not true? No! millions can come here and that by any definition means we have uncontrolled immigration.

      • CraigET

        If I see my neighbour leave his door open every morning, and I warn him that he might be more likely to be burgled because of this, would that be me dog whistling? Or is it just a statement of fact that people can choose to take however they wish?

        I have no problem with immigration, but an open border combined with a welfare state is fiscal suicide.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        Farage is going to be hoping you Camerloons keep jabbering about immigration, lad. All to easy, then.

      • Wessex Man

        Well done Hooky babe, up to your usual high lying status again with your cronies like the Daily Mail starting their hate campaign against UKip because like you they are terrified!

      • Mike

        He was accurate with his statement, whats wrong with that just because you don’t like it.

      • Streben80

        Could and would are two different words with two different meanings.
        Millions of EU migrants are already here, that is infact what people voted on because they were very angry that it took ten years for the debate to even happen, which it did, thanks to UKIP. So stuff that in your pipe and smoke it.

      • rugby god

        even more pathetic response. You and Issie seem to both be short of understanding what the great Nigel said. You seem to be pulling words with different meanings, are you the Queen of Hearts?

      • Jacques Strap

        Pathetic comment when what he said was true?

      • http://batman-news.com The Commentator

        Like that other scare story to drum up votes: vote UKIP get Miliband. In truth if you vote UKIP you will get UKIP MPs. Tories are finished. Conservative voters vote for UKIP and Labour and Lib Dem voters loath the Tories more than ever. Another crashing defeat approaching to add to those in 1997, 2001, 2005 and 2010. Stick with the modernising agenda and efforts to de-toxify the Tory brand – its going really well!

        • Colonel Mustard

          The problem with your triumphalism is that it gloats over the prospect of a single party state. That might result in leftist power but the level of resentment and hatred of those who don’t buy what you peddle will increase. No leftist regime which has secured total power has ended well. You can look forward to increasing insurgency and get a taste of your own medicine.

          Labour already have a built-in electoral advantage which their “equality” and “fairness” guff chooses to disregard (they cynically believe in any means to an end and that they have some moral right to rule). But in reality a few Labour dominated cities together with a Scots and Welsh Labour contingent rule an overwhelmingly conservative England.

          Your hubris chooses to ignore the actual percentages. In 2010 a 7% swing to the Tories gave them only 49 more seats than Labour but in 2005 a 2.8% swing to Labour gave them 157 more seats, more than three times the number of seats for less than half the swing.

          • http://batman-news.com The Commentator

            Setting aside your rather odd assessment of my views and motives a win for Labour in 2015 will almost certainly be like a win for the Tories in 1992: their last for a very long time. Labour will immediately return to the reckless borrowing and spending that characterised their previous spell in office, they have after all nothing else to offer. This will almost certainly result in a bond market strike where we can no longer sell our debt and a run on the pound leading to a Greek-style collapse. That will be the end of the welfare state, the NHS, the BBC, the state pension and much more besides. Drastic stuff; but probably the only way to save the nation in the long term.

      • saffrin

        Exactly, Farage was saying millions could come here, which, “as you very well know” is the truth.
        Stop spinning it Hookey.

  • The Masked Marvel

    While wading around waist deep in water, Isabel’s asking, “When’s the flood coming, Nige?”

  • lakelander

    There would have been an increase of 5000 a week. But when all those Romanians and Bulgarians heard that they might have to take coffee with Keith Vaz MP at the airport they cancelled their plans. Staying at home suddenly became a lot more appealing.

  • Ron Todd

    With less than a year to the election I trust any official figures on immigration even less than usual.

    • HookesLaw

      With less than a year to the election why should anyuome trust anything you say… never mind Farage.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …oh, why don’t we be a bit more precise with our electoral timeline, lad? Your boy Dave’s head is going to be mounted on a spike in exactly 8.75 months. Time’s sure flying, isn’t it?

        • Wessex Man

          that’s why the Daily Mail have already started , expect the Sun to get started any day soon.

          • Lady Magdalene

            The Times is already ramping up the anti-UKIP reporting.

      • Jacques Strap

        Well considering the way you talk to people, why should people trust YOU?

  • CraigET

    “29 million people from Romania and Bulgaria have the unrestricted right to move to Britain” is what I heard said by Nigel Farage many times. No flood, no deluge. The MSM lackeys chose to play their well practiced charade of Chinese whispers and turn simple warnings into apocalyptic predictions; the aim being to polarise opinion. Cui bono I wonder?

  • cambridgeelephant

    Do we control our own borders ?
    Do we control our criminal justice system ?

    The answer to both is No – as Nigel repeatedly points out.

    Would it be too cynical to say that the main reason Cameron puts up such an uncharacteristic fight on the issue of prisoners having the risible ‘right’ to vote, is so that he can try to cover himself with one fig leaf of protection, when it comes to self government ?

    And it is the presence of the evil Farage – whom this commentator so denigrates – that is the only thing that’s forcing Cameron to show some unlikely backbone on the matter. Otherwise he and this ‘Conservative led coalition’ would roll over yet again for the umpteenth time ?

  • Smithersjones2013

    Poor Izzy She is forced to resort to playing with details because the reality is that the Tories immigration policy is in tatters. ‘Tens of thousands’ of net immigration has turned into hundreds of thousands year in year out. By the time Cameron and May have finished another 1 million net immigrants will have set up home in the UK. Why because there is no control on EU immigration.

    Farage has won because this government like the last is derelict in its primary duty of managing our borders!

    • Agrippina

      And its first duty to the citizens of this country, rather than anyone from anywhere else land. There are the thousands waiting at Calais, that France do nothing about (repatriate or process for asylum) all economic migrants, all coming over shortly.

    • Kitty MLB

      Dear man, a little premature to assume the debonair Nigel Farage has won anything.What does he think about the real
      immigration issue in this country.If the Middle East
      becomes worse.It won’t be those from Bulgaria rioting in the streets.

    • AndrewMelville

      …and net immigration is hardly the point in any case. We should be concerned about gross immigration – that’s the real number of values free foreigners who are setting up shop here. Ugh!

  • edward

    After listening to James O’Brien this morning discuss immigration and waxing lyrical about how wonderful it is I was tempted to send him this:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-28770425

    • Smithersjones2013

      You survived a session of James O’Brien and lived to tell the tale?

    • Damaris Tighe

      We were once a low crime country & such violent crime as we had was intra-gang violence, not violence visited on the general public.

  • Holly

    I don’t think Farage was wrong.
    He said X number of Bulgarians and Romanians had the right to come here.
    Which is correct…Unless they don’t have that right.
    I don’t think they have ‘stopped’ coming to the UK yet either, so try not to gloat so openly.
    Farage’s critics are just that.
    It does not make what he says untrue.

  • Agrippina

    Perhaps you should read Prof Rowthorn’s report Aug 2014. He says that large-scale immigration will have a negative effect on standards of living as any economic
    benefits will be outweighed by pressures imposed by a much bigger population. Any gains would be small compared to strains placed on amenities such as housing, schools and hospitals. GDP per capita is negligible. http://www.civitas.org.uk/immi

    ONS says if immigration continues at these levels the pop here will grow by 20million in the next 50yrs almost entirely due to immigrants (page 6 Rowthorn report). He also points out that the ratio of working people/pensioners is unsustainable.

  • Raddiy

    Well you certainly have it right this time. Despite playing fast and loose with the numbers game, you are spot on. Farage and UKIP have won, not just a narrow squeak of a win, but a comprehensive destruction of the opposing forces.

    Perhaps you might consider why we have won.

    Hearts and Minds Isabel, Hearts and Minds!!.
    I think we need to also give a tip of the hat to the Westminster bubble media , we couldn’t have done it without the full blooded campaign by them denying that immigration was a problem, despite the evidence.

    The question is will you learn from your comprehensive tonking at the hands of UKIP, or will you all repeat the futile process when the next issue gets up a head of steam. I think I already know the answer to that one, you are all so predictable, as the Mail demonstrated this week with the Hitler ‘scoop’, which you all jumped on like flies to cow sh*t.

  • Harry Chandler

    Immigration is good for Britain. Immigrants do the work that English people don’t want to do.

    • Holly

      They also need houses, schools, and public services, and to allow so many incomers without first sorting out the infrastructure we are heading for disaster.
      Add on any dependants, and how many immigrants do we have then?
      Where are we all supposed to live?
      Immigration is only good for a country if it is controlled.
      Immigration in the UK today is BAD for the fabric of society, and unless we do something to drastically cut it, until we have the infrastructure to cope, it will be damaged beyond repair.

      • HookesLaw

        But the point is right and that is the big issue that we need to resolve.

        • Holly

          Just how long has the ‘point been right’?
          I do not remember this problem growing up, in my teens, in my twenties, thirties, or even in my forties.
          So just when did the Brits begin to ‘refuse’ to do the jobs the immigrants are now doing? and if they are seasonal/’low paid jobs’ where are the ‘better paid’ jobs for the Brits?
          As a country, we have, economically and socially, got nowhere from all this immigration malarky, and your ‘point’ is a cop out line to make it appear plausible.

          • Damaris Tighe

            When my mother was in her fifties she went strawberry picking to earn us a little extra money. She was middle aged & middle class. The rest of the year she delivered advertising leaflets door to door. Both jobs nowadays are done by EU migrants. A recent Radio 4 programme followed some English people picking spring onions for the first time. They lasted no more than a week. Their EU colleagues had no problems.

            So what has made the difference between 1970 and today? I can only think that it’s the benefits structure which has (1) narrowed the difference between welfare & a low wage so that there’s no incentive to do an unpleasant job & (2) destroyed pride in working & independence even if there’s no extra financial benefit.

    • global city

      Telemachus in disguise, peddling that old nulabour slur in order to justify their social experiment of ‘diversity’

      • Colonel Mustard

        Let us never forget his denial of the English as a people in their own right, his description of them as “mongrels” and that they require forced “rejuvenation” and “new blood”.

        • Damaris Tighe

          He was trying to wind you up.

          • Colonel Mustard

            Didn’t make it any less offensive though. I detest the way that the people who bleat on about “equality” and “fairness” and are still playing the race relations game are the same ones who use the phrase “pale, male and stale” which is racist, sexist and ageist.

    • Damaris Tighe

      Then English people should be forced to do it or lose their benefits.

    • AndrewMelville

      No they don’t – they just work cheaply which keeps wages down.

      Rich people, such as myself, prefer to pay immigrants and migrants very low wages and fob off the British poor with welfare, rather than being forced to pay proper wages and lower taxes.

    • AndrewMelville

      And stop saying Inglish when you mean British.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      You pay people enough, and they’ll do anything.

  • http://twitter.com/rayveysey Ray Veysey

    It’s the same population as a town the size of Peterborough, now we know that someone resident in the glorious empire of Londonistan probably doesn’t even know where is Peterborough is, or gives a toss about all these people as she doesn’t have to have drinks or dinner parties with them, but hey reality check, the rest of us do you silly cow.

  • Chingford Man

    Have you ever thought of reading the newspaper for which you write, Izzy? That’s the one that used to be worth buying before the guy from Sesame Street wrecked it.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11030392/Number-of-Romanian-and-Bulgarian-workers-in-Britain-hits-new-high.html#comment-1540769645

    “The number of Romanians and Bulgarians working in Britain has hit a new high after a huge surge in eastern European immigration.

    “Figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) showed workers from the two countries, which saw job market restrictions lifted at the start of the year, topped 150,000 for the first time.

    “There was also a massive leap in immigration from other eastern European countries known as the ‘A8’, such as Poland, which joined the European Union 10 years ago.”

    • HookesLaw

      Your link specifically states that there was a 13000 year on year increase in Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants. Just as hardman said.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …so it surged, as was predicted.

      • Chingford Man

        Calm down, dear.

  • Lady Magdalene

    The Daily Telegraph is reporting that there are 150,000 Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants here, up by 13,000. And overall EU immigration has jumped by 187,000 in just 3 months.

    That sounds like a deluge to me.

    Immigration at these levels is unsustainable. We don’t have the housing, infrastructure or the desire to have our country swamped by foreigners.
    And the only way we can control it is by leaving the EU.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11030392/Number-of-Romanian-and-Bulgarian-workers-in-Britain-hits-new-high.html

    • Kitty MLB

      To be quite honest, I deplore these ‘Romanians and Bulgarians ‘ being labelled because to label people gives others with dishonourable motives to shout racist etc.
      The issue is overpopuation and the strain on our public
      services and the fact that people can arrive whenever they
      like quickly or slowly and we have no say.

      But atleast these people are our neighbours from various
      European countries and share our religion.Some might
      commit crimes but none want to blow us to smitherines
      like our other immigrants who are the real immigration problem.

      • Agrippina

        Some may commit crimes yes. Cambs Police- immigrants have cost the following: Interpreters costs in 2009/10 it paid out £809,000 for translation services, an increase from £677,000 in 2008/09, figures released under the FOI.

        In 2007/08 the bill was £540,000 down from the £805,339 in the previous
        year and £715,208 in 2005/06 – just after expansion of the EU in 2004.

        The most commonly translated languages are Eastern European including Polish, Czech, Bulgarian, Romanian, Russian, Slovak and Lithuanian, as well as French, Arabic, and Urdu.

        Tory Sth Cambs Council, still provides translations and interpreters for free, even though porky pickles said he would put a stop to that.

        • Kitty MLB

          As I said being the immigration dustbin of the EU
          ( as someone charmingly called us..but true)
          Is bad for our economy etc and because of free movement we have very little say.
          And I know that Cambs has an issue..its on the
          news rather alot.But because of out rightful wish
          to leave the EU everything has become about
          immigration from within the EU. Ivan next door
          might be lazy sponger costing a small fortune
          but so is Ahmed on the other side, but the difference is Ivan isn’t plotting to send you to
          oblivion.

          • Agrippina

            You will have seen the reports of the academic in Wimbledon attacked by 4men. 2 captured at the scene, new arrivals from Poland. Police here have no info about them have asked police in Poland to assist. Quite frankly I want control over who comes in and EU folks simply can’t be stopped. As for the rest of the world, we have slightly more control and if the govt were serious about stopping that.

            Insist on private med insurance 5yrs, no recourse to NHS. Pay for education for any kids, no social housing. Speak fluent Eng. No benefits for 5yrs. Child benefit payable for 2kids only. It would soon slow down.

            • AndrewMelville

              Why give the bleeders any child benefit at all?

              Also why is it called “benefit” rather than welfare or the dole?

              • Agrippina

                I don’t know why it is called a benefit, other than they do benefit from the taxpayers largesse. I agree no more child benefit at all. It was introduced post World War ll to increase the population. We are overpopulated now, so it should be stopped altogether.

                • AndrewMelville

                  I think it is because it sounds better and makes people feel good about accepting it.

                  We need to go back to making it a slightly shameful thing, kill universality and encourage people to work more and sponge less.

                • Ooh!MePurse!

                  Making 50% of young people into graduates was yet another New Labour disaster. Cannot really express how much I loath the Labour Party.

                • AndrewMelville

                  It is the same here. We’ve made everything into an academic subject and killed the old trades apprenticeships. Germany appears to do it much better.

                  It is the usual leftist loathing of the working classes. What is wrong with being a skilled tradesman who never went to university let alone a trades college?

                • Damaris Tighe

                  That’s a very good point. I’d taken on board how the loathing of the working class had condemned a chunk of them to a welfare-dependent ‘underclass’ while cheaper alternatives are imported. I hadn’t sufficiently appreciated that at the other end that loathing expresses itself in the substitution of apprenticeships by what the middle class values – university.

                • AndrewMelville

                  And it permits a massive expansion of the leftist middle class in the form of university and college administrators, teachers etc. All at the expense of the working class.

                  The left truly hates them.

        • saffrin

          Taxpayers paying for immigrant translators is something that has to be stamped out.
          If they need an interpreter badly enough they will find their own.

      • Holly

        Agree 100%.
        We do however have to be realistic on the numbers, and how we are lowering everyone’s living standards by being unrealistic.
        The truth is until we control our borders the numbers will continue to go up…..
        This is just the number of Romanians and Bulgarians working.
        What about the rest???

      • Ooh!MePurse!

        Well said Kitty.

    • Holly

      From what I got off Google….
      An American think tank predicted 385,000 over next five years.
      Migration Watch 50,000 (previously said 70,000)
      A report commissioned by UK Government in 2010 estimated 8,000 will come to Britain in 2014.(YEAH RIGHT!!!)

      Fast forward to today….
      Total of 153,000 employed in UK in the quarter, an increase of 9,000 when compared with last three mths of 2013.(winter months could be a factor)
      Factor in any dependants and even the American think tank is going to have seriously under-estimated their numbers at 385,000 over five years.

      Completely unsustainable.
      Oh, but take heart …. some of them may return home?????
      Ah, I see.
      That’s alright then!

    • ButcombeMan

      You are missing the point My Lady, with great respect.

      Hits on the website must be down (probably because of the holidays but there we are), so Isabel writes this sort of nonsense to stir a lot of responses.

      Right of course about the influence of UKIP but that was hardly difficult analysis or especially insightful writing.

      Like telemachus, Isabel best ignored when in this mood.

    • John Dalton

      This is just another weak, thinly-veiled Spectator put down, Isabel. Your readers see it for exactly what it is. Why do you continue to treat UKIP differently to the way you treat the Tories – when UKIP are a far closer fit to the views of the majority of your readership? Are you that much in the pocket of Conservative Central Office?

      Not only that, but aren’t you focussing on the wrong target? Why the constant anti-UKIP drip drip drip – when we have I*lam-ists handing out IS-IS leaflets on Oxford Street, the flag of ji-had flying in Tower Hamlets, the Trojan Horse takeover of our schools, the groo-ming of our youngsters and ra-dicalisation in our prisons and universities? Or wages being depressed by the mass influx of Eastern Europeans which we are completely powerless to stop, resulting in the displacement and seething resentment of our own working class population? But no, let’s see if giving UKIP another kicking will bring anyone back to Dave, shall we?

      • sarahsmith232

        Agreed, her ‘tone is sneering and contemptuous and lays bare your blatant and nasty bias. Your readers see it for exactly what it is.’
        Her nose will be put out of joint by a comment like yours from an obviously well informed and intelligent male. Pleasing, pretty girls that adopt the opinions of the males that make up her world will be affected by a comment like yours. She’s taken on the opinions of the Metro males that surround her to show how pleasingly accommodating and unchallenging a pretty little thing she can be. Being brought up short by a male like you will affect her, an awkward spanner that’ll leave her wondering if she’s quite as pleasingly attractive as she originally believed.
        Absolutely agree about non-EU also. The politicians believe they’re responding to public anger about EU immigration. They’re responding to a public that can only legally speak about white, Christian immigration, start going on about ‘all these Pakistani’s and Somali’s’ and you’d be had up, but saying ‘all these Poles and Romanians’ and no arrest. It’s not Poles people care about it’s Muslims, nobody has a legal right to openly say it though.

        • Wessex Man

          You are completely wrong, it’s about total immigration numbbers including most particularly Eastern Europeans especially as they have the right under EU Open Borders to come here even if we don’t want them!

          • sarahsmith232

            Morning dear, i know, i know, the Eastern EU are not of absolutely zero concern but, don’t know if you’re familiar with the North but, i’ll tell you, in the Northern small towns you’ll be hard put to spot an Eastern European. When Mrs Duffy (from Rochdale) tackled Brown about ‘all these immigrants’ she talked about white and Christian but it couldn’t possibly be white and Christian immigrants that were bothering her locally, ’cause in Rochdale there aren’t any. Huge Pakistani community though.
            I just think the white and Christian influx is being used as a proxy, it’s freed people up to be able to angrily protest and voice their dissent but it isn’t the type that is of greatest concern. But then that’s not to say that it’s of absolutely no concern.
            The Metro’ politicians hear via their pollsters that people are angrily voicing their dissent, it must be responded to, so they, like a collective pack of dumb animals, follow on behind their pollster set out rules. End result – one after the other, each leader has been setting out competing, pointless, un-achievable ambitions to restrict the free movement principal. While simultaneously ignoring the immigration that we are perfectly capable of doing something about. Take a look at the Tories new Immigration Act, zero, absolutely nothing at all in it that aims to stop non-EU coming in.

            • Wessex Man

              When we made friends with a couple from Bradford, they absolutely despised the Eastern Europeans, who they reckoned were to blame for most of the crime in their district of Bradford.

              He by profession has acompany that removes dangerous materials from Industrial Buildings and asbestos from any building. In 2008 a Polish Company started undercutting him all over the North of England.

              He had fantastic repeat trade decontaminating all sites that they had ruined. They had no problems with Black British people at all.

              I reckon you are trying very hard to create an agenda everywhere in this country that’s not as bad as you promote! Please don’t tell me that because I live in the West Country I don’t know what I’m talking about twenty five minutes away from me is St Pauls and Easton. The scenes of some of the biggest race riots in the last century!

              I actually live in Wiltshire with the biggest population concentration of Eastern Europeans in the West Country where most farm equipment is stolen regularly to order by Eastern Europeans.

        • Agrippina

          Telegraph reported that in a 3yr period to 2012 the police forces in Eng&Wales spent £40million on translators.

          Sussex police is advertising for PCSOs paid up to £20,020 a year who speak East European to work in the Arun district. Around 25,000 of the area’s 150,000 population are understood to have come from East Europe.

          Met Police spent over £7.1 million translating over 97 langs.

          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10080870/Police-spend-40-million-on-translators-in-just-three-years.html

          Too many criminals and yes Ms Hardman, this is the deluge.

    • sarahsmith232

      I’ve watched many a Farage interview about immigration, so far I’ve yet to hear him say that they’ll be an extra 260,000 Romanians and Bulgarians every year, so where this Spec’ writer is getting that from I really don’t know.
      Also, the ONS are saying that there’s been an extra 13,000 in the last quarter, they’ll prob’ be another 15,000 next, 13,000 during the Autumn, say 9,000 during the last Winter quarter, so, all in, around 50,000. That’s precisely what Migration Watch predicted, Farage has ALWAYS backed their predictions.
      So, basically, Migration Watch and Farage have been proved right, yet again.

    • Wessex Man

      Indeed my Lady,

      What they’ve also forgotten to mention is that the Governmernt said 500,000 immigrants had arrived here in the last year, yet they had issued 560,000 new national Insurance to immigrants.

      I wonder why there is such a difference in the two departments figures and why the Governmet is so keen to abandon the Nation Census from 2021?

      My own opinion is that they don’t want us to know that our population has increased by millions more than they say.

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