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If Miliband really cared about defending British Jews, here’s what he would say

3 August 2014

10:00 AM

3 August 2014

10:00 AM

In this week’s Spectator, Melanie Phillips argued that supposedly anti-Israel protests over the Gaza war have convulsed Europe in the worst scenes of open Jew-hatred since the 1930s. The most appalling aspect is the silence in the face of all this of the political class. Here’s her suggestion for what Ed Miliband should say if he really cared about the rise of anti-semitism in Britain:

‘I am horrified, not just because of the resurgence of the madness from which my own family so grievously suffered in the Holocaust, but also because we on the left bear no small responsibility for this current obscenity.

‘Hamas has placed its rocket arsenals below hospitals, schools and mosques. It is using 12-year-old kids as human bombs against Israeli soldiers. Yet the left isn’t protesting against this depravity but instead demonising the Israelis who are trying to stop it.

‘I am shocked that John Prescott called Gaza a concentration camp and said Israel should be a pariah state. The EU rightly says equating Jews with Nazis is anti-Semitism.

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‘But then the left marches side by side with Islamists, who are committed to the persecution of gays and women, while it boycotts Israel, the only place in the Middle East where Muslims enjoy human rights.

‘We ignore Muslim on Muslim violence in Iraq, Yemen, Libya or Gaza. We ignore the 800 or so civilians killed in Ukraine. In Syria, more than 200,000 people have been slaughtered, 2,000 in the past two weeks alone. Yet we don’t march against Assad or Putin, only against Israel.

‘We think we are progressives building a better world. We tell ourselves anti-Semitism is right-wing. We are terribly wrong. Today, anti-Semitism is overwhelmingly on the left.

‘Only now I am starting to understand that Zionism, the movement for the self-determination of the Jewish people, is part of Judaism. Hostility to Zionism means hostility to Jews. We on the left shout “Free Palestine”. But that means “Destroy Israel”. How did we progressives get on the wrong side against civilisation?

‘I am ashamed of the part the left has played in fomenting this evil we now see all around us. Under my leadership these lies and this bigotry will now end.’

Melanie Phillips is a columnist for the Times.

This article first appeared in the print edition of The Spectator magazine, dated 


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  • Guest

    ok

  • Des Demona

    Have I missed something? What is happening to British Jews that needs defending?

  • Cobbett

    Jews have always been in favour of mass immigration. Too bad it’s turned against them.

  • lookout

    Shofar Ministries is reporting that Obama is giving the P A $400,000,000, Hamas are using photos of a murdered Israeli family as an advert, mum, dad, three kids, one a nipper, he had his throat cut while sleeping next to his dad, horrendous. It will be in England soon enough, Lord help us

  • Damaris Tighe

    Brilliant article on Frontpage Mag site today: Bringing Back the Good War by Daniel Greenfield. Every nutter anti-Israel poster here should read it.

  • right_writes

    Is Ed Miliband conscious of his Jewishness though…?

    I mean, just the other day he was photographed eating a bacon sandwich!

    • Bonkim

      Ed is an Atheist – and know all religions are bunkum.

      • right_writes

        Yes that’s right…

        How could I forget?

        Commies eschew all other religions.

        • Bonkim

          Religion = Superstition

          • right_writes

            At least we agree on something!

  • Wessex Man

    er, well Mad Mel and her lonnie tunes followers here have got the answer. No the one she or they were expecting but a good one.

  • pole

    maybe he could use some quotes from Is.. gov

    Israeli FM Avigdor Liberman: ‘Israel needs to conquer and thoroughly cleanse the Gaza Strip’

    Israeli Interior Minister Eli Yishai: ‘The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages, only then will Israel be calm for the next 40 years.’

    Michael Ben-Ari: ‘There are no innocents in Gaza, don’t let any diplomats who want to look good in the world endanger your lives — mow them down!’

    Gilad Sharon (son of the former Israeli Prime minister Ariel Sharon): ‘We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza, Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima — the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too. There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing.’

    “We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”
    David Ben-Gurion, ex-Irsaeli Prime MInister

    • Damaris Tighe

      1) First four quotes The Israelis are angry & who can blame them. You omit quotes from the many peaceniks in Israel who work with moderate Palestinians for reconciliation. They used to represent most of Israel but after the Hamas bombing campaign on innocent civilians, which lasted several years, the peace camp has lost a lot of influence. That’s what happens. It’s human nature.

      2) Last quote: well it didn’t work did it, because the Galilee is the most populous Arab area in Israel. Many of its people are prosperous & some Christian Arabs there have petitioned to be recruited into the Israeli army.

      • pole

        The only reason I mention these quotes is that because this reflects itself in current situation. I wish peaceful people took over in middle east, but at this point its not reality. Peaceful people like you and me can only comment here.

  • Radford_NG

    There has been no rise of anti-semitism in Britain.What there has been is the importation of anti-semitism from some of the most anti-semitic places in the world.

    • Augustus

      Isn’t that An oxymoron?

  • Innit Bruv

    Listen to what Henry Siegman, a rabbi and former director of the American Jewish Congress, has to say on the matter: “the slaughter of the innocents”,Democracy Now! July 30. He has also described Israel as a de-facto apartheid state.
    He is far better qualified to judge than the rest of us!!!!!

    • Damaris Tighe

      Why on earth should an American rabbi be better qualified?

  • ScreamingLordCashpoint

    ‘A third deadly attack on a United Nations school sheltering people fleeing bombardment in Gaza was strongly condemned by both the UN and the US on Sunday, with the UN chief calling it a “moral outrage and a criminal act” and pleading for an end to “this madness”.

    The US said it was appalled by the “disgraceful” attack, which killed at least 10 people and injured dozens just days after the shelling of two other UN schools in Gaza caused international shock and anger’

    let’s hope AIPAC ensures the US hands over $250bn of weapons in time for the next strike, eh?

    • lookout

      Obama just sent Hamas 47,000,000, dollars, whose side do you think he’s on

      • Colonel Mustard

        Looks like they are spending it on trolling…

      • ScreamingLordCashpoint

        any weapons to defend the people who just 1,400 of their women and children slaughtered by the IDF?

        by the way, $47,000,000 is a bagatelle compared to $250,000,000,000.

        wonder how many F16 missiles that will stop?

        • lookout

          Hamas is a designated terrorist outfit by the State Department, Obama is arming America’s enemies in time of war

          • ScreamingLordCashpoint

            (Jonathan) Pollards.

            • lookout

              Read the truth in Secret War Against The Jews by John Loftus

        • Damaris Tighe

          Look you raving hysteric, 1400 PEOPLE have been killed. Not all women & children (what about the men or do women & children sound better?), & a large number are Hamas soldiers in civvies.

      • Augustus

        Perhaps Israel should re-take the Gaza Strip, hold on to its battlefield gains, and ensure that ‘humanitarian aid’ is used as intended.

    • Augustus

      To Hamas, Palestinian children are literally fodder for the cause. The more child soldiers die for that cause, the better in their eyes. Hamas’ war revolves entirely around the world media: Unfortunately, the international community falls for this unconscionable method of warfare. That’s what gets them sympathy from the rest of the world, and a possible political advantage in any negotiations with Israel. But they’ve now over-played that card.

      • ScreamingLordCashpoint

        ‘Palestinian children are literally fodder’

        Israel’s just killed 700 of them. Who were you saying they were fodder for?

        • Augustus

          That’s the point. The more dead Palestinian children Hamas can claim as victims, the more happy Hamas is. 7,000 would have been much better in their eyes than 700. That’s the very culture they thrive on, so that Palestinians can show that they are the victims. Anybody with a bit of sense can see that.

          • Damaris Tighe

            But there’s not one anti-Israel poster here with one jot of common sense. I’ve never seen such a concentration of irrationalism in one place.

  • lookout

    The polishing of jackboots is nearly complete, there’s a nasty whiff in the air and it ain’t polish

    • ScreamingLordCashpoint

      the IDF polishes them every day… failed to notice the other striking similarity – tactics?

      • lookout

        Go on walid Shoebats web site, he is a former assassin and was undergoing training to be a suicide bomber, the guy murdered Israelis, he is now a Christian and Peace activist, the material on the site is truthful but terrible, you deserve to see this side of the arguments, unless you choose to remain ignorant, good luck.

        • ScreamingLordCashpoint

          murdered 1,800 did he?

          feeble, feeble excuse, exposed at the first step.

          • lookout

            You didn’t bother then? A coward and ignorant, pure lefty

            • ScreamingLordCashpoint

              I leave the cowardice to the army that slaughters 1,400 women and children…. the brave IDF.

              • lookout

                Still not looked at Wald Shoebats site then, still polishing, you deserve the truth, but, if remaining in your bubble suits you, while you await your well cut uniform, that’s your call.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  any chance of phrasing that in English?

                • lookout

                  You’re joking surely? Know any horst weasel songs? Better start practising

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  songs? Sure it’s plural?

                • lookout

                  YOU DO KNOW THEM THEN

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  it’s a A song song matey, and WHY ARE YOU SCREAMING AT YOUR SCREEN?

                • lookout

                  I am not, just trying to get you to open your eyes a little, I
                  see the world is about enter a calamitous period over Israel, just trying to help the uninformed. The effect of the world turning against Israel brings in things that are terrible. That’s all I am about, check his site out and do yourselves a favour.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  ‘The effect of the world turning against Israel brings in things that are terrible’

                  you mean like the Palestinians getting what Jews got in 1948, a state of their own?

                  terrible, truly terrible.

                • lookout

                  God starts acting like He did in the Old Testament, Jerusalem and Israel is the key

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  they’re here!

                • lookout

                  Keep an eye on Damascus, it’s about to be wiped, Isaiah 17 vs 1

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  why don’t you become a Jedi Knight and stop wasting people’s time?

                • lookout

                  How did you know my true identity? You must be a genius

                • Chris Morriss

                  Horst Weasel? I guess that’s an intentional spelling mistake.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  No, It was the follow up to the Pine Martin Rhapsody.

                • lookout

                  Your right, my mistake, couldn’t spell for laughing

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  no one else was.

                • lookout

                  Go on, tell the truth,o, I forgot, you can’t

        • Damaris Tighe

          There’s also the son of the Hamas official who became a Christian & wrote a book about Hamas.

      • Augustus

        Tactics? Hamas using ambulances to carry Hamas fighters with children inside by day, and at night to carry explosives.

        • lookout

          And journalists, those clowns are present at Hamas rocket sites but don’t report/ they are in Hamas back pocket

        • ScreamingLordCashpoint

          Tactics? – herding people into shelters with ‘ warnings’ then bombing them, collective punishment of civilians for a supposed Hamas murder of 3 Israelis…. ring any bells?

          • Augustus

            You’re a shill for Hamas, and you’re just here to distort the truth. You’ve said nothing of worth about the hostility to Jews, and would end up defending whichever bunch of degenerates were in charge attacking Israel.

            • ScreamingLordCashpoint

              if you’re floundering for a reply might I suggest the ‘Hasbara Manual’?

              • Augustus

                Personally, I don’t think Israel is very good at propaganda and PR at all. Muslims are far better at it. That’s why Melanie Phillips is such a good ambassador for Israel. Long may she continue to be that. What Israel faces is a struggle for life. There’s a difference between waging a war and fighting to survive. What they’re facing today is the Jew hatred of Hitler’s Islamist heirs. Israeli actions against those who want to destroy it are not hateful acts of war waged in order to kill others, but part of a very determined struggle for life.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  ‘Personally, I don’t think Israel is very good at propaganda and PR at all.’

                  if you’re anything to go by I’m inclined to agree.

              • Damaris Tighe

                The regular Spectator posters, unlike you, are too intelligent to need a manual to tell them what to say.

  • Dave Cockayne

    Ed Miliband is Jewish and on the record as claiming to be a zionist, friend of Israel and fully supportive of Israel’s right to defend itself. Of course those statements were made last year but they are still going to hurt Labour in the next election.

    • Chris Morriss

      With any luck they’ll hurt Labour.

  • john watson

    Funny when Israel commits atrocities they’re ‘defending themselves’ and it’s Hamas’ fault innocent Palestinians are being slaughtered because of Hamas’ use of human shields. Don’t get me wrong I realise this is something the Pro Israel camp have to hang onto, makes them feel like they’re not supporting genocide, but you ARE supporting it. Simply compare the statistics there’s no argument, the actions of Israel are completely disproportionate and indefensible, the whole world can see it now. The human shield argument should be the very thing that STOPS Israel from bombarding. For the argument of Israel needing to defend itself against Hamas rockets – take a look at the statistics and compare Israeli life lost due to Hamas rockets with Palestinian lives lost – disproportionate, and you know it – a retarded monkey could see this for what it is.
    Being against what Israel now stands for ISN’T being Anti-Semitic, that argument is flawed, transparent and down right ridiculous, and the people in here using it should be ashamed of themselves. I personally have no argument with Jewish people, just psychopathic child murdering Zionists. So what now? I’m against Israel slaughtering innocent Palestinians and I don’t hate jews – what now? A great number of Jewish people feel exactly the same way as well you all know.
    The people in here trying to justify Israel’s actions HAVE no argument. You should be ashamed of yourselves for condoning the mass murder of innocent people, you cold cold people.

    • ScreamingLordCashpoint

      they don’t see Palestinians as human beings so shame doesn’t enter into it. For them it’s a case of routine culling.

    • The Masked Marvel

      “Genocide”. You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

      • john watson

        Would you be more comfortable with ‘attempted genocide’?

        • The Masked Marvel

          Now you’re just being silly. Yet you have no problem with all the calls for the extermination of Jews.

          • john watson

            I don’t what? So how did you reach this conclusion?

            • The Masked Marvel

              Er, because they’re not trying anything even remotely related to genocide? Are they trying to kill all the Palestinian Arabs living within Israel as citizens and voters and who serve in the military and in the Knesset? No. Are they trying to kill all the Palestinian Arabs in the West Bank? No. Are they trying to kill all the Palestinian Arabs in Gaza? No. They are trying to kill the ones trying to kill them, who unfortunately and tragically tend to have babies strapped around their necks when they launch the rockets. You may have your own beliefs about what Israel wants to do, but that would not be connected to reality, no matter what your emotions tell you.

              On the other hand, most Palestinian Arabs and many, many non-Arab ‘critics of Israel’ actually do call for genocide.

              When you use the term ‘genocide’ the way you have, you cheapen it in a most grotesque fashion, and insult the memories and families of victims of actual genocides. You need to check your moral compass as well as your dictionary.

  • Alexsandr
  • In2minds

    ‘Free’ Palestine? How much have we sent them in aid. And other than buy cement for tunnels what did they do with hte money?

    • Shazza

      The Hamas leaders live in luxurious palaces in Doha paid for by your money via EU etc. aid.

  • Jupiter

    I thought that the Milipede was Jewish. He must be one of those annoying self loathing Jews who like nothing better than pandering to Hamas terrorists.

  • Jake Steed

    Yah, someone should study the ratio of Jews to Muslims in any given
    country and the number of attacks per number of Jews, I am sure a clear
    correlation will be found. In most of Europe the Muslim minority is at
    least 10 times larger than the Jewish one, which bodes for a large
    number of attacks. It also makes sense that the local newspapers and
    governments will cater to their citizens and taxpayers.

    In Canada the current ratio of Muslims to Jews is almost three to one, and
    increases in anti-semitism and clear bias in the government media
    outlet, the CBC, can clearly be seen (Even going as far as removing
    posts that are not pro Hamas). To be frank though, the CBC has always
    had a strong bias against the USA and has followed the liberal camp
    heavily.
    It is also worth to note that I tried to post this very same
    post, just a few minutes ago, in the globe and mail, on an article
    about anti semitism in Europe. The post was not posted by the moderator,
    while basically all the posts that are posted are antisimetic in
    themselves.

    I would say that people should be aware of these
    ratios, and also trends. Someone should also study what the effects of these ratios are in times of peace.

    It is worthy to note that antisimetic biases have the most effect in the workplace. When I lived in Quebec I didn’t get some jobs because I was not Quebequa. But it was only in 2009 when I didn’t get a job because I was Jewish. This occurred in McGill at a research facility where the professor was British, and the manager was an Arab, I assume Palestinian. I know I didn’t get the job because I was over qualified, and the Manager continuously asked me about my last name etc.
    It really gets to you when people do not hire you just for who you are.

    • Shazza

      I don’t know what to say to you other than as a non Jew, I am so sorry for the ignorance and hatred that you experienced.

      Maybe one day the West will wake up to the dire peril that we all, not just Jews face.

      I won’t hold my breath.

      • ScreamingLordCashpoint

        maybe he should applied for head of the Fed, even the longlist was 100% Jewish.

        • Damaris Tighe

          You don’t like Jews very much do you?

      • Cool And Measured

        Thanks, it really didn’t affect me too bad, I had other offers. But still, it shows what the level of thinking is for some people, even in, or sometimes surprisingly especially in, academic environments.

    • ScreamingLordCashpoint

      how do you feel about non-Jews forbidden the right to return to their homes in Israel?

      • Cool And Measured

        Here you go, a pure antisemite using Arabs as a reason to attack Jews. And no, I don’t think they should have a right of return, as the objective is simply Islamaphying Israel, it is an Islamic religious aspiration disguised as a nationalistic one.

        • ScreamingLordCashpoint

          ‘And no, I don’t think they should have a right of return’….
          … because that’s for Jews only, not Christians or whatever religion.

          • Cool And Measured

            Yah, read up on it. Israel has many Christians and Muslims.

            • ScreamingLordCashpoint

              ‘Israel has many Christians and Muslims’….
              …. and all of their families are specifically forbidden the right to return – by law.

              • Cool And Measured

                Yah, so what. My father was from Iraq, and he can’t go back there. There is just one Jewish country and many Muslim and Christian ones.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  ok, if you’re so satisfied with that, let’s ensure that all European people are made aware that Christians are specifically excluded by Israeli law…. and we’d like the cozy free trade arrangement reviewed.

                • Cool And Measured

                  Do whatever you like, people understand that there is on;y one Jewish country. The only one’s who do not are one’s with an Islamic agenda. You are speaking in the name of Christians, but as a Muslim, you should know that the only country in the middle east where the number of Christians is rising is Israel, so you should perhaps go and ask Hamas why there are no Christians left in Gaza, or ISIS in Iraq.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  ‘there is on;y one Jewish country’

                  22% of Israel’s population is non-Jewish, what are you talking about?

                  oh sorry, you meant Brooklyn, now I follow you.

                • Damaris Tighe

                  And what has Brooklyn got to do with it? Or was that a jibe at the orthodox Jewish community that lives there? And what does that make you?

        • Damaris Tighe

          ie a trojan horse

  • Augustus

    Under his leadership? He’s so thick he probably still thinks those tunnels under Gaza are humanitarian tunnels.

  • The Masked Marvel

    One often wonders what the Spectator editors think of the fact that articles about Israel get infinitely more comments than do pieces about any domestic political issues, even though the latter have an infinitely larger effect on readers’ lives than the former.

    One also wonders if anyone at the Spectator would dare ask the BBC why they don’t spend even the tiniest amount of energy scolding the public about anti-Jewish sentiment in regards to Israel, in stark, horrific contrast to the sheer volume of programming and commentary the BBC have put out lecturing and educating the public against Islamophobia and making British Muslims feel the brunt of wrath about Islamic Terrorism.

    • Damaris Tighe

      I think the speccie eds rub their hands with glee at the extra traffic. What other reason can there be for putting up the same articles under different names?

      • The Masked Marvel

        Well spotted. I did notice this was the same article for which a comments thread was already beaten to death, but hadn’t thought it through quite like that. They do milk these things for all they’re worth, don’t they? Pretty cold business, Mr. Nelson.

        • Damaris Tighe

          Lots of recycling going on here!

  • Augustus

    Here we go again. Hundreds of posts, no doubt stating all over again with unyielding scorn how Jewish people stole Palestine from a nicely settled Arab community and drove them out. It literally boggles the mind and offends the senses that there is even one member of Western civilization, never mind a Labour politician, who is shocked or troubled that Israel has been giving the Palestinian wing of the Muslim Brotherhood a good hiding. As any homeowner will tell you, you may not get to choose your neighbours. You can choose to get along with them as best you can, or you can set yourself up for a lifetime of misery. That is the choice the people of Gaza, and all those that border Israel must make, and the right decision will put them on a path to peace.

    • Alexsandr

      nicely put

    • ScreamingLordCashpoint

      ‘Hundreds of posts, no doubt stating all over again’ at how Israel has once again massacred women and children.

      And they’d be right.

      • Alexsandr

        go and play with your lego

      • Colonel Mustard

        Ah yes. The massacre of women and children.

        A 2007 study of Palestinian suicide bombings during the Second Intifada (September 2000 through August 2005) found that 39.9% of the suicide attacks were carried out by Hamas, 26.4% by Fatah, 25.7% by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), 5.4% by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) and 2.7% by other organisations (maybe yours).

        From 1989 to 2008 suicide bombers caused 804 deaths.

        http://archive.adl.org/israel/israel_attacks.html#.U94-ZihiFPE

        Were you outraged by these massacres? Did you protest?

        • ScreamingLordCashpoint

          it’s ok, we understand that you don’t recognise Palestinians as human beings.

          • Erictheowl

            What a remarkably stupid, sulky, petty and pointless response. Do grow up.

            • ScreamingLordCashpoint

              oh dear, have I upset you? Please accept apologies little fella.

          • Colonel Mustard

            “You” understand nothing. Were you outraged by these deaths? Did you protest?

          • Damaris Tighe

            I keep on wondering why you & others like you keep wittering on about recognising Palestinians as human beings. Because, you see, it’s a given, of course we do. So is this ‘human being’ stuff the last resort of someone who doesn’t have much else to say?

            • ScreamingLordCashpoint

              yeah, course you do, which is why we see Israeli’s perched on hills overlooking Gaza watching and celebrating missiles landing on UN schools and refuges and destroying the fragile young bodies of children sheltering in them..

              • Damaris Tighe

                And why do you take these people, who live in the south & have suffered years of missile attacks, as representative of the whole population & also representative of all who support Israel. Aren’t you always saying that Muslim extremists don’t represent Muslims in general?

            • john watson

              If you see them as human beings, why would you condone their mass murder? Makes no sense. The human shield thing is bs btw, it’s a cop out. Even if it were true, it would make Israel even colder for continuing bombardment in the full knowledge that innocent humans would invariably be killed.

              • Damaris Tighe

                In war people get killed.

                • john watson

                  Thought so, you’re a psychopath..ah well.

                • Damaris Tighe

                  You know nothing about me. I’ve not said I don’t care, even weep, about it. You’ve just fit me into your ready-made anti-Israel stereotype.

                • john watson

                  Oh you care, you weep – yeah right. You can tell that by the fact you condone murdering innocent children as an act of ‘war’.

                • Damaris Tighe

                  So you would do nothing if your family were under attack by missiles in case an innocent in the aggressor’s vicinity was harmed?

                • john watson

                  Yes, I’m sure I would. The response would be proportionate to the action. In other words I wouldn’t blow his head off, then go hunt down every living relative and kill them all and call it ‘defending’ myself.

                • Damaris Tighe

                  Which shows how little you know about what’s going on in Gaza. The IDF are not hunting down innocents. They’re hunting down criminals who hide behind innocents. This has been shown so many times that I’m not going to say more about it. If you really care about finding out the truth about what’s happening, instead of emoting, you can do so via the internet.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  ‘The IDF are not hunting down innocents’

                  80% of the 1,800 hunted down by the IDF and killed are civilians.

                • Damaris Tighe

                  Those figures are put out by Hamas you idiot. They put their operatives in civilian clothing & count them as civilians if they’re killed. The genuine civilian deaths are certainly much lower.

                • john watson

                  I know enough. They’re murdering innocents and blaming it on Hamas for using them as human shields. If Israel knows this is the case, surely the humane thing to do would be to stop the bombardment?

                • Damaris Tighe

                  You know what you want to know to support your prejudices. Bye bye.

                • john watson

                  It’s ok, I think we both know why you no longer want to discuss this. The evidence proves what you’re saying to be incorrect. Try not to trip on your tail.

                • Damaris Tighe

                  I don’t want to carry on explaining what should be obvious to any reasonable & realistic person. As I’ve been doing this for 3 weeks now I’m bored stiff with it.

                • john watson

                  That’s because you can’t justify it. You may have thought in the past that you’ve explained it to others, but that’s just you trying to justify mass slaughter of innocents.

                • Damaris Tighe

                  No I’m just fed up trying to explain the obvious to brain dead idiots like you.

                • john watson

                  You say that, but you haven’t explained anything lol. Resort to ad hominem attacks if it makes you feel better by all means.

                • john watson

                  Tell me what’s unrealistic about me asking why Israel continues with it’s plan knowing that human shields are being used. Considering the Israeli death count compared to `Palestinian. Explain it to me I’m all ears.

                • Damaris Tighe

                  Because if every necessary military operation had to stop because human shields were being used, the whole free world would become hostages to any vicious, cynical group that grabbed a group of civilians.

                • john watson

                  But the amount though, the dead. Can’t you see that it’s disproportionate with the casualties from Hamas rockets?

                • Damaris Tighe

                  But that’s how wars are won – through disproportionate casualties!

                • john watson

                  You say that with total disregard to the loss of innocents that you pretended to weep about before.

                • john watson

                  You know the answer, you know Israel is at fault.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  ‘But that’s how wars are won’…
                  …the slaughter of women and children?

                  sick, truly sick.

                • john watson

                  I’m beginning to think I called it right in the first place – psychopath.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  almost right but in the main (95%) are sociopaths, they’ll get upset if you diagnose them as common or garden psychopaths.

                • Damaris Tighe

                  No, I’m not a psychopath. I care far more about the people of Gaza than Hamas. Psychopaths such as Hamas deliberately put civilians in harm’s way because they have no ethics but are counting on Israel’s ethics to protect them. Otherwise human shields wouldn’t work.

                • Damaris Tighe

                  Your chum, the Screamer, is a genuine antisemite. Look at his other posts here. This is the company you keep.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  ‘ I’ve been doing this for 3 weeks now I’m bored stiff with it.’

                  we felt that way after your first post.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  See, you are a psychopath after all.

                • john watson

                  You obviously don’t understand what a psychopath is. Stop trying to type a response to everything I say, you’re tying yourself up in knots.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  No, I’m not. I rather suspect I have encountered more real psychopaths than you ever have. But you brought the definition of psychopath into this discussion. Do you now think that might have been hyperbole?

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  ‘I rather suspect I have encountered more real psychopaths than you ever have’

                  given your support for child slaughter I’d bet you have.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  What support is that then?

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  oh look, he’s just a little innocent.

                • john watson

                  You’ve encountered them. Family or….?

                • Colonel Mustard

                  No, not family. Or even friends.

                • john watson

                  Woman?

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  ‘doing nothing’ is not the only alternative to telling families to leave their homes then launching a missile strike on their shelter.

                • Damaris Tighe

                  Ah, so you acknowledge that the IDF is warning civilians to leave their homes & therefore not targeting them. Very good. That’s a start.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  ‘telling families to leave their homes then launching a missile strike on their shelter.’

                  it would help if you had a reasonable reading age, say >7

                • Damaris Tighe

                  Don’t be an idiot all your life.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  pants up now!

                • lookout

                  Their shelters are from where their launch their indiscriminate rockets

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  a-r- e d- e- y r-e-a-l-l-y?

                  d-i-d d-a-t n-i-c-e Mr N-e-t-a-n-y-a-h-u t-e-l-l y-o-u d-a-t?

                • Damaris Tighe

                  No the Goldstone Report did after the last Israel-Gaza spat.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  But only if they happen to be Palestinian because Israelis don’t count. Hypocrite.

                • john watson

                  When did I say ‘Israelis don’t count’? I’ve stated that I find the response disproportionate, what is it about that statement that’s giving you problems?

                • Colonel Mustard

                  So are you. You demonstrate no empathy for the innocent victims of Hamas suicide bombers, bombs and attackers:-

                  http://archive.adl.org/israel/israel_attacks.html#.U96GnyhiFPG

                  So you must be a psychopath.

                • john watson

                  I do? When did I support them? Please elaborate. We both know you can’t lol.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Support? This is about empathy and your lack of it for the victims of Hamas terror. So by your own reckoning you must be a psychopath.

                  http://archive.adl.org/israel/israel_attacks.html#.U96GnyhiFPG

                • john watson

                  What lack of empathy? Please elaborate. We both know you can’t.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  You haven’t demonstrated any empathy in this thread for the innocent victims of Hamas terror and yet you continue to accuse those who demonstrate a lack of empathy for Palestinian victims as psychopaths.

                • john watson

                  How many times, we’re discussing what’s going on with regards to the palestinian people. If we were discussing Hamas terror, i could understand it, but since we’re not….

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Hamas terror and the Palestinian people are, unfortunately, inextricably linked. To compartmentalise the morality involved as the protesters have done is tantamount to war mongering. But they have gone further, waving Hamas flags and wearing Hamas tee-shirts.

                • john watson

                  Hamas terror and the Palestinian people are, unfortunately, inextricably linked

                  Were the murdered innocent Palestinians all Hamas terrorists?

                • goatmince

                  Now you committed a serious error of judgment.
                  Disassociating Palestinians from extremeists is the only way to a soultion of the conflict.

                • goatmince

                  Bingo! They are not ‘inextricably linked’.
                  In the same way as Ukip is not inextricably linked to England, chocolate is not inextricably linked to diabetes and a glass of red vino a day isn’t inextricably linked to alcoholism.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  You don’t know much about Hamas and Gaza. They are not like UKIP, chocolate or red wine.

                  They don’t play Bingo either…

                • goatmince

                  I do not need to tell you what I know.
                  What I am telling you is that dissociating extremists from the population always works. Always.

                • john watson

                  I’ll openly state I don’t wish to see any loss of life, anywhere, ever. Will you do the same?

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Why then do you encourage Hamas to continue their terror attacks by failing to protest against them?

                • john watson

                  Because, undoubtedly like yourself, I don’t protest everything I disagree with.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  maximise your return – protest against the IDF, they’re the ones who slaughter 1,800 human beings.

                • Damaris Tighe

                  You may not wish to see it but it will happen whether you like it or not if there’s a war. Grow up.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  how many Israeli civilians?

                • Damaris Tighe

                  How many would you like to get killed before Israel is allowed to do something about it? 100? 1000? 5000? 6 million?

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  you’re happy with 1,800 Palestinians, why are you unhappy to extend the favour to Israelis?

                • Damaris Tighe

                  my reply has been moderated, I think I know why, here it is again:

                  I see, it’s a numbers game, t*t for tat, an eye for an eye.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  numbers game? Then how do you feel about the number ‘6’, which seems to be used endlessly when it comes to justifying the slaughter of Palestinians?

                • Damaris Tighe

                  How did I know you were going to say this, but I thought I’d throw the number in because your post was so utterly absurd.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  pull your pants up, it’s embarrassing.

        • you_kid

          The Gordian Knot cannot be undone. The only answer is to give the Palestinians the rights everyone else on this planet takes for granted.

          and, to avoid ambiguity:

          not many will blow up 1,000+ people they disagree with and get away with it.

          • Colonel Mustard

            But you keep avoiding the question.

            Were you outraged by these massacres? Did you protest?

            Silence is endorsement.

            • you_kid

              No it isn’t. You report it, I will comment in the appropriate and usual subtle fashion. But then again, when I am really bored I go and read breitbored for a far too right laugh.

              • Colonel Mustard

                Your comments are neither appropriate nor subtle. The kindest description I could find for them would be “zany” but in truth they are seriously unhinged.

            • john watson

              Like your silence on the mass slaughter of innocent Palestinians?

              • Colonel Mustard

                My silence is not the issue. You are the ones protesting about the “mass slaughter of innocents”. I want to understand why you only protest against Israelis and not others who slaughter innocents.

                • john watson

                  How on earth could you ever know who or what I’ve protested in the past you ridiculous man? All you’re doing is trying to divert the conversation away from the realities – mass murder of innocent Palestinian men, women and children. Nice try but no cigar.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  But you are accusing others of precisely that. You have not once expressed empathy for the victims of Hamas terrorism and yet you accuse those who do not express empathy for the Palestinian victims of being psychopaths.

                  And with this blatant double standard you call me “ridiculous”?

                  So then, have you in fact protested against Hamas for their massacres of innocents? Are you outraged by it or do you endorse it?

                  http://archive.adl.org/israel/israel_attacks.html#.U96GnyhiFPG

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  exactly how many Israeli victims of Hamas during the Israeli invasion were there to emphathize about?

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Check the link and the other links I posted. You think Hamas only started trying to kill innocent people last month?

                • john watson

                  How do you know how we feel about that situation? We’re not discussing it right now, so how would you know? You’re trying to second guess what we feel about something we’re not discussing. As I said, you’re doing this because you’re obviously ashamed of the fact you condone what’s happening in Israel, so there’s hope for you yet.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  I don’t know, that is why I am asking you. How do you feel about the innocent victims of decades of Palestinian terrorism all over the world? Have the Israelis attacked innocent victims all over the world? This list only goes back as far as 1990. There were attacks since 1967:-

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks

                  I’m ashamed of nothing and you can’t project on me. I’m not the one demonstrating no empathy for the victims of Hamas terror. You are the ones who are outraged and protesting. I’m just trying to understand why the empathy you boast about is so selective.

                • john watson

                  No you’re just the one trying to change the topic of conversation from the situation happening right now to something else that happened somewhere else. I’m not selective, I’m discussing this in particular…because it’s what’s being discussed.
                  You’re not ashamed of the fact that Israel is committing genocide on the Palestinian people – good for you oh heartless one.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  It’s not “somewhere else”. It’s part of a continuum. I’m discussing it and you haven’t shown empathy for its victims. I want to know why. Are you a psychopath?

                  I cannot be ashamed for something I’m not responsible for.

                • john watson

                  Well I notice you continually sidestep my question – ‘do you condone the current Israeli actions?’ I have continually stated my stance on the loss of any life.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Expressing regret for the loss of any life is different from expressing condemnation of Hamas terror attacks which are the catalyst for everything that has occurred.

                • john watson

                  They’re the catalyst? We’re discussing the disproportionality for a start. Many reasonable minded human beings happen to think wiping out a whole people for a few home made rockets is a tad drastic. You obviously don’t fall into the reasonable minded category.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  But it isn’t just a few home made rockets. Have you ignored the litany of terror attacks I have provided links to? Why?

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  ‘Have you ignored the litany of terror attacks I have provided links to? Why?’

                  because you’re a waste of space.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Which tells us all we need to know about what makes you tick.

                  Why are you wasting so much time responding to “a waste of space”? Doesn’t that make you a bit stupid?

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  no just another opportunity to highlight the 1,800 Gazans slaughtered by the IDF

                • john watson

                  The reasons Israel give for the current response are rocket attacks. This is you AGAIN trying to divert conversation away from the masses of innocent Palestinians slaughtered at the hands of Israel.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  So what would be a proportionate response to those rockets?

                • john watson

                  Why would you want to know a ‘twTs’ opinion?

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Cowardly and evasive. What would be a proportionate response?

                • john watson

                  You really think you deserve one?

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Because you cannot answer. The answer you are desperate to give is that Israel should ‘do nothing’ that it should just sit back and let Hamas fire rockets while offering no response. Unfortunately, that would expose your hypocrisy and worse.

                • Damaris Tighe

                  “A few home made rockets” – that’s a crass ready made sentence that’s doing the rounds. They’re medium range missiles deliberately aimed at civilians & as long as they keep flying the population of Israel will be running in & out of shelters. The old people can’t make it. If Israel does nothing it will be an invitation to even more & better missiles in the future.

                  You didn’t mention the tunnels. One of them was rigged with explosives & dug under an Israeli kindergarten.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  feeble.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  I’m not the one calling myself “ScreamingLordCashpoint” though.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  oh is he a friend of yours or do you just luuuurve the way he got his puppet Blair to send our soldiers into Iraq?

                • john watson

                  No, I’m accusing others of showing no empathy for the plight of Palestinians – because that’s what we’re discussing. Again this is just you rather pathetically trying to divert the conversation into something else. You are indeed a ridiculous man.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  But that is precisely what people like you do all the time. You divert, deflect and project. I’m discussing the plight of the victims of Hamas terror over several decades for which you have no words of empathy which means you must be a psychopath.

                  http://archive.adl.org/israel/israel_attacks.html#.U96GnyhiFPG

                • john watson

                  People like me? How about you tell me what I’m like. Please. You’re making assumptions about strangers. We’re discussing what’s happening to the Palestinians. You’re trying to vilify Hamas to us – how do you know you need to? see…assumptions.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  People like you – who accuse those who fail to demonstrate empathy towards massacred innocents of being psychopaths but who fail to demonstrate any empathy for the innocents massacred by Hamas (and other Palestinian terrorists).

                  Are you going to vilify Hamas then? Let’s see you. Are you going to hold a noisy protest in London – with SWP placards – vilifying Hamas? Let’s see you.

                • john watson

                  ‘Are you going to hold a noisy protest in London – with SWP placards – vilifying Hamas? Let’s see you.’

                  Well I haven’t done so regarding this situation so I can’t see it happening, no.

                  I haven’t failed to show empathy, let me make it clear right now. I have no desire whatsoever to see innocent lives lost ever, no matter who they are or where they are from. Now that’s cleared up – do you support the current bombardment on Palestinians?

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Why haven’t you protested? If the massacre of innocents matters so much to you why haven’t you protested against Hamas before?

                  Do you condemn Hamas and Palestinian terrorists for their 50-year war against innocents across the globe?

                  Why do SWP protesters wave Hamas flags and support terrorism?

                • john watson

                  Still side stepping the ole Israel question eh? lol. You crack me mate, it’s so transparent . yeah you keep with scolding me for not attending any Anti Hamas protests, and I’ll keep calling you out for being ridiculous and ignoring the current situation.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  I think it’s a little more fundamental than “not attending any Anti-Hamas protests”. And when you descend to “lol” for a subject such as this it tells us all we need to know. Go back to your little local government office tomorrow and feel righteous.

                • john watson

                  More assumptions. You’re the one who brought the anti – Hamas protests and my lack of protesting up. Ridiculous man.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  No you did. You asserted that those who demonstrate a lack of empathy for the massacre of innocents are psychopaths.

                  Calling me ridiculous won’t change that.

                • john watson

                  No I never mentioned protesting that was all your handy work. You assumed that because I hadn’t informed you about my opinion on a completely different subject that I showed no empathy. I proved I did by openly stating that I’m against all loss of life. Something you’ve yet to do with regards to Israel.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Oh, I thought you were protesting against Israel here?

                  They are not different subjects. It is a matter of whether you believe terrorism and the massacre of innocents can be justified. You have to ask why Israel is bombarding Gaza and follow that to its root cause.

                • john watson

                  ‘terrorism and the massacre of innocents’ sums up Israel perfectly in this situation.

                  Are you ever going to answer the question BTW?

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  why can’t you address the central issue of Palestinian children eviscerated by IDF ordnance – too squeamish?

                  I don’t blame you, the sight of a 4 year child on the operating table with her intestine hanging out and left arm missing is a sight no one should see.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  You don’t know what I’ve seen and probably wouldn’t want to.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  ok, so your briss didn’t work out.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  I’m not Jewish. The more you write the less credible you become.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  So to sum things up, you are just a sanctimonious twT.

                • john watson

                  I’m sanctimonious because I haven’t attended any protests? So everyone in here is only entitled to an opinion if they have attended a protest regarding the situation they have an opinion on? And I’m the ‘twT’ ?

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  Hamas murdered 1,800 Israelis have they? ‘Cos that number of Palestinians is what Israel have murdered.

                • Colonel Mustard
                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  Israel has slaughtered 1,800 Palestinians during its invasion of Gaza – how many Israeli civilians has Hamas killed?

                  sharpen up your game or scarper.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  If my game wasn’t sharp you wouldn’t be dancing to my tune.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  your game ensures the IDF slaughter figures get printed under each of your posts, sharp boy.

                • Damaris Tighe

                  During its terror campaign Hamas killed 1000 Israeli civilians – children & teenagers in pizzarias, night clubs & buses, & old people at a Passover meal. The bombers looked them in the eye before they detonated.

                • Patriccia Shaw

                  Tell me how else a down trodden people whose children and sick are being murdered daily by tanks of the rogue Israeli State can get their despair across to the World suffering the propaganda onslaught of the American dominated media.

                • Damaris Tighe

                  I see. You’re ok about the slaughter of innocent children as long as they’re Israeli. You have exposed yourself & your comments no longer have a shred of credibility.

                • Damaris Tighe

                  1,000 Israelis were killed by Hamas’s terror campaign. As a proportion of the population of Britain that equates to 10,000.

                • Diggery Whiggery

                  Well, in fairness he’s not really saying that he does know who or what you’ve protested in the past. That’s why he asked ScreamingLordCashpoint for clarification, but he declined to answer. You then took up the conversation at that point, but didn’t answer his question either.

              • Damaris Tighe

                You have worn your heart on your sleeve demonstrating your distress & sorrow at the Gazan loss of life. The onus is on you to say what other ‘massacres’ in the region have prompted you to equal distress.

            • ScreamingLordCashpoint

              the slaughter by Israel is the issue.

              • Colonel Mustard

                Ah, I see. So the massacres of the Israeli innocents doesn’t matter to you? Or perhaps you support that?

                • Billie

                  According to your figures, suicide attacks killed 804 Israelis in
                  20 years. Israel has killed 1,200 civilans in just 7 days, and killed, traumatised and imprisoned countless
                  over 20 years. Were you outraged when David whopped Goliath? Did you protest?

          • Damaris Tighe

            Of for chrissake, the ruddy gordion knot again?

            • Inverted Meniscus

              He communicates exclusively in EU sponsored socialist nutter gibberish. As do all of his many sock puppets.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            So you’re again pushing your inanity that “the rights everyone else on this planet takes for granted” include the “rights” to be islamofascist murderers like your Hamas buddies, and fire volleys of rockets at innocent civilians. That it, laddie?

        • Damaris Tighe

          Since the establishment of Israel in 1948 c 12 million muslims have been killed in wars & conflicts. Over 90% were killed by other muslims. Less than one tenth of 1% were killed in the context of the Israel-Palestine conflict.

          • ScreamingLordCashpoint

            that makes Israel’s massacre of 400 women and children ok then.

            • lookout

              Zephaniah 2 vs 4-7, this how it ends

            • Damaris Tighe

              No. It’s a comment about what interests you.

            • Damaris Tighe

              No it shows up your faux compassion for what it really is.

          • Colonel Mustard

            It’s remarkable that those so vociferous about the Israeli “massacre of innocents” are silent about all that. No protests or outrage at all. The lack of empathy must mean they are psychopaths.

        • skyfet

          This is a propaganda message from the Israelis. I’ve seen exactly the same message on another blog. Not surprised, since the Govt. over there in Zionism nation are recruiting College Students to spread their propaganda. Goebbels will be proud.

    • Patriccia Shaw

      It is the Israeli State that refuse to pursue the 2 state solution.
      This from April 24.
      The reconciliation agreement between the two major Palestinian factions, Fatah and Hamas, which was signed in Gaza on Wednesday, is based on a two-state solution and recognizes the State of Israel, senior Fatah official Jibril Rajoub said on Thursday.

      “The reconciliation that we achieved will be implemented according to the program of Abu Mazen [Palestinian President Mahmuod Abbas] which recognizes the state of Israel,” Rajoub said, in an interview with Army Radio’s Good Morning Israel program.

      He added that the two-state solution envisages “a Palestinian state in the 1967 borders and the state of Israel with its capital in West Jerusalem.” Hamas leader Ismail Haniya “is obliged to uphold Abu Mazen’s policy,” Rajoub stressed.

      • Alexsandr

        er.
        read the history from 1948 when the UN proposed a 2 state solution. Who was it who rejected it?

        • Patriccia Shaw

          Try July 16>

          This Year.

          “Which is why Benjamin Netanyahu’s comments last Friday were so important. “There cannot be a situation, under any agreement,” he declared, “in which we relinquish security control of the territory west of the River Jordan.” With those words, explained Times of Israel editor David Horovitz, a Netanyahu sympathizer, the Prime Minister was “insisting upon ongoing Israeli security oversight inside and at the borders of the West Bank. That sentence, quite simply, spells the end to the notion of Netanyahu consenting to the establishment of a Palestinian state.”

          • Damaris Tighe

            With Israel’s experience of Gaza, which it completely evacuated 9 years ago, that’s hardly surprising is it dear? If Israel completely evacuated the West Bank now, withdrawing all security oversight, you can be sure that Israel will be treated to rocket fire from the east as well as the south within a short time.

      • The Masked Marvel

        “It is the Israeli State that refuse to pursue the 2 state solution.”

        Other than what’s in the Hamas Charter, yeah. What happened to your position on European interlopers there, Patriccia? Suddenly you think the Jews have a right to their own state in Palestine? You’ve either changed your tune, or it’s just any old chance to bash Israel is fine with you.

        • Patriccia Shaw

          24 Apr 2014 – Official: Hamas will Abide by Two-State Solution

          • Alexsandr

            by firing rockets @ Israel.???

          • The Masked Marvel

            You didn’t provide a link because anyone clicking through would realize you’re a liar. That was Fatah saying Hamas would play nice, which is also a lie. They ramped up the rockets afterwards, and continued to build a UN-approved tunnel right the way through to beneath an Israeli kibbutz. They don’t want a two-state solution any more than you do. Jimmy “Apartheid State” Carter tried to push the same lie back in 2008. How’s that working out for you? Has the Hamas Charter been amended, dear?

          • Damaris Tighe

            Have you never heard of taqqya (google it)? As you well know Hamas’s Charter says that it’s pledged to destroy Israel & fight Jews everywhere. Until that changes you can assume that what Hamas really wants is a hudna, a temporary truce for tactical reasons.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            By firing rockets at Israel?

      • Augustus

        “reconciliation agreement”?

        Please kindly remember that Hamas is a terrorist organization; lying is part and parcel of its modus operandi. It cannot honour its own pledges, its promises are nothing but hollow rhetoric. The battle against Hamas is actually being waged on behalf of the entire world. As for Fatah officials and talks towards peace, at the moment Israel’s military is doing the talking.

    • Inverted Meniscus

      Great comment but little room for common sense around here. Too many socialist nutters.

    • john watson

      ‘As any homeowner will tell you, you may not get to choose your neighbours.’

      Israel did though eh? They just bulldozed the existing Palestinian homes and built new ones.

    • ScreamingLordCashpoint

      offends the senses that there is even one member of Western civilization, never mind a Labour politician, who is shocked or troubled that Israel has been’….
      …. slaughtering Palestinian women and children.

      now we understand why jimmy savile was such a good friend of the friendless state.

      • Augustus

        That’s not critical thinking.

        • ScreamingLordCashpoint

          true though.

        • Damaris Tighe

          There isn’t one piece of rational critical thinking in any of these anti-Israel posts. Just repetitive emoting, screams & faux compassion.

    • AJH1968

      Augustus I salute you
      where would the world be now if we did not have a Churchill in the 1940’s. Your
      efforts on behalf of civilization (because that is what we face today Gaza
      tomorrow Cordoba) are an inspiration to me. I have many Israeli friends I worry
      constantly about their well being. The world should be heading to the stars instead
      we are being dragged by a medieval ideology back into the Stone Age. The fact
      that so the so called elite enable this barbaric host and help with their propaganda
      war is despicable. I would say that the greatest weapon of mass destruction in
      the Islamist’s arsenal is the womb. The devastation is plain to see
      children bred for cannon fodder and photo opportunities. Is it fashionable to
      be blind to such incongruity?

  • anyfool

    Thirty years ago the Labour Party used to defend the Jewish race against the National Front, now it appears to support its aims.
    After this mornings attack it looks like Labour has gone for broke with its Muslim block vote and have ditched its Jewish links.

    • Daidragon

      Apart from the leader being Jewish and the friends of israel being the largest extra curricular group amongst Labour MP’s you might have a point.

      • ScreamingLordCashpoint

        even that’s not enough, he wants every Labour mp to swear allegiance to Netanyahu.

    • ScreamingLordCashpoint

      Judaism is a faith not a race.

      • Damaris Tighe

        No, the Jews are a people, Judaism their religion.

        • ScreamingLordCashpoint

          ‘Jews are a people’?

          that’s news to me, says who? Are ‘the Christians’ a people as well, or are they too lowly for that distinction?

          • Damaris Tighe

            The Jews think of themselves as a people. Look it up on google. You can be an atheist Jew but still an ethnic Jew. Christians are a religious category only. Your bit about ‘too lowly’ reveals your distaste for Jews & outs you as a latent antisemite. Bye.

            • ScreamingLordCashpoint

              think of themselves eh? Sorry but the rest of mankind thinks that’s BS, how can a Chinese Jew be ethnically the same as a Polish Jew?

              • Damaris Tighe

                Google ‘Jewish peoplehood’. Bye

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  shorthand for ‘I haven’t a clue – it’s what I was told to write’.

                • Damaris Tighe

                  You couldn’t be more wrong. I study these things & know a lot more than you in your little bedsit.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  ok I get it now, the penny’s dropped, you’re batting for the Palestinians and using a dumb pro-Israeli persona to discredit Israel.

                  very good, you nearly had me fooled, but welcome aboard.

              • lookout

                You mean you don’t know?

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  along with several billion others…. no.

  • Daidragon

    More disgusting apologism from possibly the worst journalist working today.

    • Alexsandr

      worst journalist because she doesnt support your jew hating and highlights the nasty side of Islam?

      • Daidragon

        Worst journalist because she is nothing more than a propagandist for a foreign country.

        • Chris Morriss

          Have you seen Mark Regev? The resemblance to certain propagandists in 1930s Germany is chilling.

      • ScreamingLordCashpoint

        nobody listens to your silencers, the trick’s worthless, we can finally speak.

    • Inverted Meniscus

      More hypocrisy from the socialist scumbag who recommends that Israel receives “a damned good kicking” ( meaning the murder of Israeli citizens).

      • Daidragon

        I stated quite openly that I would like to see the IDF get a good kicking. Why you are conflating this with attacks on innocent people I don’t know. It’s the IDF that murders innocents by the thousand.

        • Colonel Mustard

          Hamas and the other Palestinian terrorist organisations that you support would murder innocents by the thousand too if they got the chance. Not through want of trying:-

          http://archive.adl.org/israel/israel_attacks.html#.U94-ZihiFPE

          You gormless doofus. Get back under your stone.

        • Alexsandr

          IDF are responding to an act of war by hamas.

          • Daidragon

            By targeting children playing football on a beach. Nice people.

            • Shazza

              Moslems strap suicide belts on disabled/mentally disabled children. Google it.

              Nice people.

        • Inverted Meniscus

          Liar. You said Israel and then added some rubbish about the American IDF when you got caught.

          • Daidragon

            No. You’re lying again.

            • Inverted Meniscus

              No it is the preserve of socialist scum like yourself.

              • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                bad day at the checkpoint meni?

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Perhaps one of the other socialist nutters can translate this socialist nutter’s gibberish.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  touched a raw nerve did I?

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  No I simply cannot follow your socialist nutter gibberish laddie. Insignificant little nobodies like you don’t touch nerves raw or otherwise lad.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  oh, the internet big man. I’m quaking in my boots, stop it.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Try Cyrillic lad we might understand you a little better.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  I suspect Hebrew in your case sonny.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Nobody can follow your gibberish lad. Certainly not this Englishman.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  oh, you’re an ‘Englishman’ are you? How do you feel about the King David Hotel?

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  What in the wide world of sports are you on about laddie? You keeping spouting gibberish and nobody is interested.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  not much of an Englishman are you. Unaware of the treachery that saw Irgun stab our soldiers in the back – lads who’d defeated Hitler and helped liberate the death camps.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  More gibberish lad.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  you’re doing well on the vernacular, is it true you’ll be learning dialect next week as well?

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

              • Daidragon

                Obviously not. This site is rife with lying fascists.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Did you edit your original post? It would not surprise me.

    • Chris Morriss

      She has become the faux-right’s equivalent of Harriet the henna-haired harridan. I just wish both of them would disappear for a few months.

  • Roger Hudson

    This was an old talk tacked onto this weekend’s Miliband story.
    Miliband can’t be all ‘uriah heep’ this week after his recent sucking up to Netanyahu in Jerusalem and flaunting his jewish ancestry . He is just trying to score cheap points against Cameron, he must never be PM.
    As for Gaza, we can’t get to where we want to be from here. Definitely a zero sum ‘game’.

  • ScreamingLordCashpoint

    Israel’s behaviour is simply that of a cornered rat, so no surprise there. The fact that it’s chosen to expose it’s inhumanity to the world’s gaze simply reinforces its sense of desperation. We’re approaching the end game…. the colony’s sealed its fate.

  • dado_trunking

    Milipede single-handedly united Britain by tucking in to his sandwich.
    Of course the bigoted far right have no clue what the bacon butty boy inadvertantly did there. But the broad electorate do.

    • Alexsandr

      millipede is the sort who would ask for a knife and fork in McDonalds

      • Daidragon

        At least he’d know how to use them Alex. Can I call you Alex?

        • Alexsandr

          no

          • Daidragon

            Thanks. Alex.

            • Alexsandr

              cau dy geg

              • Daidragon

                Is that supposed to be welsh?

                • Chris Morriss

                  It’s rather vulgar Welsh, asking you to stop speaking.

        • Shazza

          He sure knew how to use the knife on his brother …….

  • Wessex Man

    Is this mad harpie Melanie Phillips now employed full time by the Spectator? She and her mad followers are taking up far too much space with their anti anything other than Israel propaganda?

    • Alexsandr

      she talks more sense than you on this subject.

      • Wessex Man

        only to you fellow loonies.

    • ScreamingLordCashpoint

      The cornered rats know that world opinion is turning against their little colony day by day, hence their swarming on every opinion forming blog.

      • Alexsandr

        Or some islamic facist like you coming on here making trite comments that add nothing to the debate except to show your prejudice and hatred for Jews. Go and read your Koran and find more people to hate.

      • Bill Kenny

        Wow representing Jews as “rats” where have we seen that before?

        • ScreamingLordCashpoint

          Jews?

          I admire your perseverance but the ‘great silencer’s’ impact is dead… no one’s listening, understand?

  • lookout

    Have a look at the list of Jewish Nobel prize winners vs Muslim Nobel prize winners, it’s staggering, we wouldn’t miss the the latter, we would be dead without the former, don’t support Israel?, don’t support the Jews? Don’t want anything from either? Don’t have painkiller next time you go the dentist, throw away your mobile phone, just 2 examples of Jewish inventions, there are lots more.

    • Shazza

      Cancer drugs, medical scanners, computer virus protection etc. etc. the list is endless.

      The Left and their sick BDS campaign against Israel should heed this and not cherry pick their products; such hypocrisy, no Israeli avos or grapes but perfectly fine to use all the other products that save lives, etc.

      Why don’t they buy islamic technical/medical equipment?
      Why don’t they buy islamic medicine? Oh yes, maybe they just not so into camel urine then.

      • Alexsandr

        actually what products of industry, science or the arts has Islam given us since 1800? (Yes I know they were more enlightened long ago but seem to have regressed somewhat.)

        • Shazza

          Their so-called mathematical knowledge stems from the fact that they could translate ancient Greek.
          We have all heard of Euclid, Pythagoras, etc.
          As to your original question – 0

      • ScreamingLordCashpoint

        Britain owes Israel precisely nothing.

        • Chris Morriss

          I would go much further and say that Britain is owed many apologies from Israel for the abuses it has had to take from them. Starting of course from the King David hotel massacres.

    • ScreamingLordCashpoint

      we really couldn’t care less how many medals you claim when you are murdering women and children before our very eyes.

      • Alexsandr

        do tell us what positive benefits Islam brings to the world?

        • ScreamingLordCashpoint

          nice try but the issue is Israel’s massacre of women and children.

          • Alexsandr

            you clearly have not read anything on here before so I cant be bothered saying it all again.

            • ScreamingLordCashpoint

              don’t bother saying anything – the excuses are failed.

      • Colonel Mustard

        Who is “we”?

        • ScreamingLordCashpoint

          you not appreciate it from your vantage point but people outside of Israel actually do have opinions and have now made their judgement on your colony.

          • Colonel Mustard

            Which doesn’t answer the question. Who is “we”?

            • ScreamingLordCashpoint

              ‘people outside of Israel ‘ or can’t you read?

              • Colonel Mustard

                The rest of the world is outside Israel and I doubt you speak for all of it. Your pseudonym suggests you are part of the ghastly British left wing collective hi-jacking world opinion but the question remains which part?

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  The socialist nutter part aka the Labour Party.

                • Damaris Tighe

                  Not sure he’s of the left. The banging on about the King David Hotel & his undisguised antisemitism indicate he’s of the right.

              • Inverted Meniscus

                That would be the rest of the World then. Where is your accreditation to speak for the rest of the World?

              • Alexsandr

                i am in england and its plain to me that Israel is reacting to an aggressive attack on its citizens by a force that is vowed to destroy Israel and the Jews. A force that is part of a wider islamic mob who have ethnically cleansed Mosul, seek to genitally mutilate all women of child bearing age, and even slaughter other Muslims who don’t worship their imaginary friend in quite the right way. And are paedophiles, mysogenistic, and homosexual haters. But then I have boithered to read up on it and not believe all I see on Ch4 news.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  ‘its plain to me that Israel is reacting to an aggressive attack on its citizens by’
                  …..killing hundreds of women and children despite the fact that no Israeli civilian has been injured.

                • Alexsandr

                  oh dear.
                  If a country attacks another country with live ammunition, thats an act of war so the attacked country has to then seek out and destroy the enemy. If the attacked country fails to do this it is at risk of further attacks in the future. Hamas attacked Israel with rockets and incursions via tunnels. So they cant be surprised that Israel seeks to neutralise that threat.
                  the fact that the Hamas rockets have failed to kill sraelis is irrelevant. its the risk and intent that matter.

                • Damaris Tighe

                  Wrong. Some Israelis have been killed & injured in the last 3 weeks, starting with the 3 teenagers kidnapped & murdered by Hamas. Others have also been injured & killed by missiles that Iron Dome failed to stop.

          • Augustus

            It’s obvious who your ‘people with opinions’ are, they are the extreme Left, found in any country, who believe that the Israeli army is an aggressive occupation force, and that Israel is an extreme right-wing society disrespectful of its minority. Basically; Israel is a brutal apartheid state aiming to be the next imperialists. Well, that world can go jump in a lake. Israel is at war.

        • Chris Morriss

          The majority of right-of-centre libertarians, excluding the odious Paul Staines of course.

          • Damaris Tighe

            All the right of centre libertarians I know are pro-Israel. I should know as I was a founder member of the uk’s first libertarian organisation 35 years ago.

    • Chris Morriss

      You said exactly the same thing in an earlier thread. Whether you are deliberately being mendacious, or just don’t know what you are on about, is a moot point.

    • Chris Morriss

      Mobile phone: Jewish invention? If you want to show off your ignorance, there are many more entertaining ways than this.

  • saffrin

    The jews have been nothing but trouble since before Moses.
    How can anyone have sympathy for those always on the wrong side of right?

    Oh ye, make a law demanding it.

  • Colonel Mustard

    Miliband is a communist, seeking to impose communism under the pretext of re-inventing the Labour party – again – and a lot of bollox about one nation.

    I just read in the Spectator how in 1961 Gaitskell provided MI5 with a list of Labour MPs who were crypto-communists or acted under communist party instructions. MI5 chose not to investigate. The list today would be even longer.

    • Alexsandr

      the socialists have hated jews since the idea was first thought up in the 19th century. Even Marx (who was of jewish birth) was anti Jewish. Its in the lefts DNA

    • ScreamingLordCashpoint

      I thought most of them were members of ‘Labour Friends of Israel’.

      • Colonel Mustard

        Doubt it. The Soviet Union broke off diplomatic relations with Israel in 1967 and began a programme of anti-jewish propaganda, persecution and discrimination. From 1970-1980 250,000 Jewish refugees left the Soviet Union for Israel.

        Soviet-sponsored Communist party members, communist sympathisers and agents of influence in the UK would not have been any friends of Israel, then or now.

  • HookesLaw

    Miliband is dog whistling like mad to the lefty crackpots and nutjobs.

  • Shazza

    Nothing will be done to counteract the demonisation of Israel – we have gone mad.

    Islam is winning, it is successfully destroying all that we in the West, supposedly hold dear –

    Equality of the sexes
    Equal rights and equal punishment for all citizens, including homosexuals under the law
    One law for all citizens regardless of race, ethnicity or gender
    Freedom of speech
    Freedom to practice your own religion
    Animal rights
    Monogamy
    Non segregation of the sexes
    Child protection including the right for all not to be forced into marriage, denied education and legalised rape
    Cruel and unusual punishment
    Respect for law and order

    These are just a few givens that we are losing and not a single politician/journalist/MSM – anyone is drawing attention to it.

    It has taken 5000 years to develop Westen, secular, civilisation and it is being destroyed in decades.

    Why are we allowing this to happen?

    Melanie, you are very brave – unfortunately, no one is listening to you. What the dhimmis don’t realise is that when islam is done with the Jews, they will turn their attention to anyone/anybody who does not fall into line with their barbarian ideology.

    • Alexsandr

      you have forgotten to mention FGM , the Muslim paedophile gangs in the UK, clearly thinking white girls are just trash, the disgusting paedophile habit of mufa khathat -you will have to look that up – I dont think I would get a description of that past the moderators

      • Shazza

        Agree but don’t have to look up that perversion. It is also known as ‘thighing’ and the late Iranian Ayatollah Khomeini was a keen advocate of it. For those not in the know, the information is all freely available on the net.

      • ScreamingLordCashpoint

        how about MGM – banned in Germany two years ago but then reinstated under intense pressure of ‘antisemitism’ accusations?

        • Alexsandr

          i am not going to defend circumcision. But I think there is a big difference between male circumcision and butchering a girls genitalia so she can never feel sexual pleasure. And the Jews use trained people for the procedure and take proper precautions to prevent infection. FGM is dome in some places with bits of broken coke bottles. Remember, FGm is part of the mysogenistic regime of subjugating women as 2nd class citizens.

          • ScreamingLordCashpoint

            MGM’s often performed with a Mohel’s mouth ‘sterilising’ the wound.

            • Chris Morriss

              Indeed, that is still the orthodox way.

    • Patriccia Shaw

      I repeat again and again and again.
      This is not about religion.
      It is about a usurper rogue state taking historic lands from a peace loving people and then economically strangling them.
      The sooner Kerry applies his logic to a solution based on that understanding the sooner the slaughter by the rogue state will cease.

    • you_kid

      Nonsense – your culture cannot be taken away from you, only you can do that by not living it.

      • Shazza

        Tell that to the Christians in Syria/Iraq – maybe ISIS will listen to you.

        • you_kid

          Christians in Syria and Iraq … as if you cared and would welcome them here. You appear to be the kinda guy who would ‘welcome’ them alright. Laughable.

          Of course it is wrong! Do you not comprehend English?

          • Shazza

            I do care – why else would I have said what I did?
            Yes – they really do need asylum and I would welcome them.

            PS Regarding English comprehension Shazza is female so I am not a ‘kinda guy’ so I think the the boot is actually on the wrong foot.

            PPS There is no such word as ‘alright’ it is ‘all right’.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Well you certainly don’t speak Englishh laddie. Nobody can translate your indecipherable socialist nutter gibberish. Shall we ask the goat?

            • you_kid

              Shall we? We will never know whether we shall, shan’t we?
              You are a pleb on acid.

              • Inverted Meniscus

                Is that what causes you to spout gibberish lad?

  • swatnan

    The IRA fired a mortar into No 10, and Major started a road map which was completed by Blair in the historic Good Friday Agreement.
    Power sharing in a ONE Palestine is the only solution. Israel is going to have to swallow its pride and arrogance and submit to the inevitable, in the same way as the arrogant Protestants in NI did. But it’ll require statesmanship to do that. The World cannot be put through this intolerable nonsense by a few million Jews and and a few million Arabs; we have much better things to do.

    • Colonel Mustard

      “…in the same way as the arrogant Protestants in NI did.”

      And Irish Republicans were not proud and arrogant? What did they concede to achieve this wonderful settlement of peace? Agreeing not to continue murdering innocent people and setting off bombs in England?

      Don’t confuse statesmanship with capitulation to terrorists and the appeasement of ex-terrorists to discourage them from reverting to their murderous habits.

      • Alexsandr

        the repulicans are still active in NI in criminality. They just dont bomb ad shoot people at the moment.

        • lookout

          A few years ago IRA leadership were in West Bank and Damascus advising Palestinian terror groups how to blow up Jews, the IRA was trained in explosives by Leslie Aspin, ex sas mercenary, he helped train Libyan state terrorists while working for MI6, according to his book, he featured in Secret War Against The Jews by John Loftus as president Bush’s bag man during Iran contra

    • Alexsandr

      Arabs control the whole mid east from India to n Africa. Israel is one small state the size of Wales. and still the islamists are intolerant of that small bit of land.

    • Inverted Meniscus

      The “better things to do” do not include the rubbish you have written. There is absolutely no comparison to be made between Hamas and the IRA beyond the pointlessly rudimentary. Hamas is committed to the destruction of Israel and the extermination of its citizens. You cannot negotiate with these people and neither should you. You defeat them and then keep them defeated.

  • jesseventura2

    Do you ever wonder why jews have always been hated?

    Do you think your barbaric killing of animals would be allowed if only uncivilised muslims carried out this horror?

  • @PhilKean1

    .
    I can think of only one current world leader who, if his country –

    – was in Israel’s political and geographical position, would – I believe – sit back and not retaliate if Hamas rockets were raining down on the heads of his citizens.

    And you need look no further than Downing Street for the answer.
    .

    • Patriccia Shaw

      But this was about Miliband.
      “And this is what Ed Miliband should be saying: ‘I am horrified, not just because of the resurgence of the madness from which my own family so grievously suffered in the Holocaust, but also because we on the left bear no small responsibility for this current obscenity.”
      A slur.
      A stain.
      The sole and total responsibility for the plight on our streets of the Jewish population lies with the actions of the Israeli Leadership.
      There is not a disinterested commentator on the planet who is not screaming about the disproportionate actions of the Israeli State.

      • Alexsandr

        you havent been reading what people say on other threads. If you had you would not be spouting this jew hating lefty rubbish.

        This is 100% Hamas’ fault for agressively firing rockets at Israel and digging tunnels for deadly incursions into Israel
        These are acts of war. Israel is only doing what it needs to do to defend itself from islamic fundamentalists that only want to destroy Israel and slay Jews, as documented in their charter and the violence inciting Koran,.

        do keep up dear.

        • Patriccia Shaw

          I am sorry. I will try to keep up.
          However I am just a little concerned that there could just be a reason that the otherwise peace loving Gaza Citizens feel the need to use the rockets.

          • lookout

            They want every Jew dead.

            • Alexsandr

              wrong
              they want every jew, christian, apostate, homosexual dead.

              • lookout

                Spot on, try Walid Shoebat web site, Hamas hanging kids on railings as human shields

          • Alexsandr

            Wound up by islamists vowed to destroy Israel as ordered by the violence inciting Koran, as documented by the Hamas Charter, and funded by Quatar. They are part of the Muslim Brotherhood, and affiliated to ISIS.

            • Patriccia Shaw

              Thankyou.for the explanation.
              I thought it might be something to do with the attempt at starvation with the economic blockade, compounding the appropriation of Arab lands and aggravated by the illegal settlements.

              • Alexsandr

                nah. thats the excuse. to make it acceptable to liberals in the West.

              • lookout

                Israel have set up a hospital for Gaza on the border, and trucked in supplies during the conflict, Israeli prisoners would tortured and shot, Hamas prisoners would be took to court,sentenced, jailed and then released , in their thousands, for one Israeli, barbarism vs civilization, you chose

                • Wessex Man

                  Is that to make up for the onwe they destroyed in Gaza?

                • Shazza

                  The Red Cross is able freely to visit Israeli POWs.
                  What chance that happening to Hamas POWs?

                  Hamas’s allies, ISIS crucify, behead and torture their captives – these are the people you support. Try to keep up with worldwide happenings in the moslem world by not just relying on the BBC/Sky/Ch4/MSM – all you need to know is freely available on the net.

                • Shazza

                  Apologies!!!

                  My post was meant for Patricia Shaw and not you.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Who is another Telemachus sockpuppet by the way.

                • john watson

                  Israel kills innocent men women and children indiscriminately. The innocent Palestinian men women and children who are currently being slaughtered as you type crap online aren’t beheading anyone.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  the cornered rat helps the children it slaughters.

                • Alexsandr

                  you are telemachus or his friend and I claim my £5
                  just using another nick and saying the same old stuff doesnt make it right.
                  and if you are a new poster, try reading the many threads on this subject before writing trite comments.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  sorry, you may have the upper hand in Israel but in Britain you count for nothing.

                • Alexsandr

                  thats funny. I am british athiest.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  yes, that’s funny.

                • telemachus

                  I know not these folk
                  *
                  They do however put sense into a sea of Islamphobic Southern Baptist inspired piffle

                • lookout

                  I thought you once called yourselves a Christian ?, never read Isaiah 17 v 1, psalm 83, describing the very near future in the middle east

                • Chris Morriss

                  What has a quote from the Jewish Isaiah have to do with Christianity?

                • Damaris Tighe

                  Jesus read from Isaiah in the synagogue when he first declared his mission. I know gnostics want to excise the OT from the Christian Bible, & I’ve some sympathy with that, but you can’t dislocate Jesus from the Jewish prophetic tradition.

                • john watson

                  So mass slaughter of Palestinian innocents ISN’T ‘barbarism’?

              • Wessex Man

                Don’t let the loonies on this page grind you down!

              • Shazza

                Please see my post to lookout below which was meant for you.

              • Inverted Meniscus

                No it is down to Islamofascist nutters firing rockets at a democracy. The democracy has, amazingly, decided to defend its own citizens. A bit like we British did between 1939 and 1945.

                • john watson

                  Yes Israel are defending themselves against Hamas by committing genocide on the Palestinian people. I’m sure in your colourful mind that all balances out somehow, and the argument of human shields justifies it. Meanwhile, in the real world, everyone else can see it for what it is.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  You speak for nobody but yourself you arrogant little man. As if a socialist oaf like you knows anything about the ” real world”.

          • Shazza

            Why then don’t they use them on Egypt as well? After all, Egypt has also closed their border with Gaza.

            Why are the leaders of Hamas not with their own people? Do you not think that instead of living in their luxurious palaces (paid for by you with EU and foreign aid) in Doha?

            Is Egypt an apartheid state?Should we not begin a BDS against Egypt as well?

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Well perhaps they shouldn’t have started all this by firing those rockets you ignorant bigoted socialist nutter.

          • Erictheowl

            “Peace-loving” Gaza citizens, for the most part, don’t. The evil, barbaric, crazy, inhuman beasts who make up Hamas, however, do.

            Hamas kills Palestinians just as diligently as it kills Israelis, if it suits their ends, and are also extremely good at manipulating the gullible leftie media bods.

            The reason you never see many pictures of Hamas fighters is that if these brave souls see a anyone pointing a camera, they simply shoot them.

        • ScreamingLordCashpoint

          opposing the genocide of children is not ‘jew hating’. Fortunately your attempt to smear calls for the protection of children has fallen flat on its ugly face – no one’s listening to screams of ‘antisemitism’ any more just because someone asks that Palestinians are allowed to live.

          • Alexsandr

            its a sad fact of life that intellegent analysis doesnt always get popular support. Doesnt mean its wrong tho.
            pity people are so swayed by manipulated (by hamas) media.

            • ScreamingLordCashpoint

              times running out.

              • Alexsandr

                you are right. The violent homsexual hating, paedophile, mysogenistic islamic hamas have played a blinder of a PR war, and have taken in the gullible and stupid.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  Opposing the massacre of women and children may seem ‘gullible and stupid’ in your world but then again, that’s the whole problem with Israel.

                • john watson

                  Alex, one doesn’t have to be either gullible or stupid to take the opinion that Israel is acting disproportionally to Hamas rocket attacks. One doesn’t have to lap up Hamas propaganda to see what is actually happening. One could ignore ALL media and just look at the amount of innocent Palestinians being murdered to get to the truth of this situation. It HAS to stop. Any reasonable person would think and say the same.
                  To attacks someone’s intelligence because they have sympathy for the killing of innocents is a new low. Trying to turn everything into a childish tug of war, a blame game, is quite pathetic. Look at the situation for what it is, take in the facts and the numbers of Palestinians deaths and get a clue. You can’t seriously stand by the garbage you’re posting in this comment section. Please put me out of my misery and tell me you’re a troll.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  What would be a ‘proportionate’ response to the rocket attacks by Hamas? Clue, doing nothing is not an answer.

                • Damaris Tighe

                  Judging the comments here I think a lot of people were easily persuaded.

              • Inverted Meniscus

                Yes your Islamofascist friends had better stop firing their rockets ladde.

                • ScreamingLordCashpoint

                  filth

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Israelis would just go home and get on with their lives if your Islamofascist friends would stop firing their rockets laddie.

            • john watson

              As opposed to Zionist media?

        • john watson

          I don’t even know where to start with you, you really are a maniac.

      • Colonel Mustard

        Come off it telemachus. Any veteran of the Coffee House can identify the stench of your comments. Popping up as telemachus in the same thread (as you did yesterday) won’t pull the wool over any perceptive eyes that this is not you. Your little games here are transparent – but not in a good way.

        I hope voters pay attention to the inherent deviousness and dishonesty that you represent and which inhabits the Labour party like the name through a stick of rock.

        • Alexsandr

          when labour first stated the red rose logo, someone said very pretty on top but a load of pr1cks underneath. I think we know which bit tellytubby is.
          I wonder if he wears his short skirt and fishnets while posing as patricia – hope not :(

          • Inverted Meniscus

            I’m struggling to see the pretty bit on the top as well.

        • Erictheowl

          Not so sure about this, Colonel. This one appears not to have much education, and to be pretty inarticulate. One of tellytubby’s hangers-on, I think, and not a very bright or promising one!

      • Inverted Meniscus

        Well thank you Telemachus that is quite enough socialist nuttery for one day. Labour is, after all, the party of lies, lying, Lias, mediocrity, failure, incompetence and cowardice. No move along, there’s a good nutter.

      • Coleridge1

        How about “the sole and total responsibility for the plight on our streets of the Muslim population lies with the actions of Islamism.”
        Stone women, hang Gays, ethnically cleanse Christians, butcher 170,000 Syrians, cut off each other’s heads in Iraq, slaughter 400,000 Black people in Darfur……
        and we’ll take it out on the UK’s Muslims. But hold on …. that would be Islamophobia. Can’t possibly have that can we?

    • ScreamingLordCashpoint

      filth.

      • Inverted Meniscus

        Yes you have summed up Hamas quite nicely there.

  • saffrin

    I blame the immigrants.
    Kick those jews out.
    Ban religious cults.

  • Patriccia Shaw

    And this is what Ed Miliband should be saying: ‘I am horrified, not just because of the resurgence of the madness from which my own family so grievously suffered in the Holocaust, but also because we on the left bear no small responsibility for this current obscenity.

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