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Here’s what Cameron should say if he really cares about defending Britain’s Jews

2 August 2014

10:00 AM

2 August 2014

10:00 AM

In this week’s Spectator, Melanie Phillips argued that supposedly anti-Israel protests over the Gaza war have convulsed Europe in the worst scenes of open Jew-hatred since the 1930s. Even more appalling is the silence in the face of all this of the political class. Here’s her suggestion for what David Cameron should say if he really cared about the rise of anti-semitism in Britain:

‘I am utterly appalled by the attacks on the Jewish people on the streets of Britain and in our public discourse. This hatred and bigotry is being fuelled by warped and distorted reporting about the Gaza war.

‘Newspapers and broadcasters are uncritically treating Hamas propaganda as fact. Indeed, since Hamas uses its people as human shields to paint Israel as child-killers, the media have effectively turned themselves into accessories to murder and incitement to hatred.

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‘Frankly, in Iraq and Afghanistan we showed nothing like the care Israel is taking to avoid killing civilians wherever possible, even sacrificing its own soldiers to do so.

‘I have become aware that this Jew-hatred is fuelled by falsehoods about Israel’s historic and legal rights. Accordingly, Philip Hammond will ensure that the Foreign Office corrects its untrue claims about the ‘occupation’ and ‘illegal settlements’.

‘I have also realised that Muslim anti-Semitism is the principal driver of the Islamic war against both Israel and the West. Accordingly, the government will suspend its support for Mahmoud Abbas until the Palestinian Authority stops glorifying terrorism, promulgating blood libels and instructing its children that their highest ideal is to destroy Israel and murder Jews.

‘To combat anti-Semitism in Britain, I will also ensure that all schools teach the history of the Jewish people and its eternal connection to the land of Israel. I acknowledge that colonial Britain’s betrayal of its legal obligation to settle the Jews in their historic homeland and its appeasement of their Arab persecutors lie at the core of the Middle East conflict and stoked the Jew-hatred we now see erupting again. As Prime Minister, I feel under a moral obligation to try to put this right.’

Melanie Phillips is a columnist for the Times.

This article first appeared in the print edition of The Spectator magazine, dated 

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  • masscoruption

    End antisemitism today,open borders for Israel.

  • Samir Halabi

    British Schools do not teach any history of the Jewish people. When I attended School many years ago there was no mention in history books about the Jewish presence in England starting with William the Conqueror in 1066 and ending with the total expulsion of the Jews in 1290. No mention of the many Jews who paid ship’s passage to be taken back to France and then taken off the ships, their possessions stolen by the crew, left stranded on a piece of land till the tide swept in and they were all drowned. No mention that there was also Jews that decided to go and live once again in ‘Holy-Land’ in that period and throughout many periods in history right through to the 20th century. No mention of the Crusaders who even before they reached the Holy-Land’ to re-conquer Jerusalem from the Arabs, they murdered their way through Europe by killing so many Jews on the way. No mention of the Jews, eastern Christians, Muslims that they butchered to death in Jerusalem.

  • Samir Halabi

    Where were all the demonstrations for the 250,000 Syrians so far been killed by their fellow Muslims during this continuous civil war now lasting well over 3 years. Christians being ordered to convert to Islam, by ISIS forces in Mosul Iraq, pay a Jiziyah (protection-tax)
    or Stay and be beheaded. The Christians have lived in the Middle East for some 2,000 years, 700 years before the dawning of Islam, where were the demonstrations, Girls from a Boarding school in Nigeria kidnapped by Boko-Haram terrorists and threatened to be sold into slavery and married off to Jihadists. where were the demonstrations. Muslims seem only to demonstrate when there is trouble with Israel and the Hamas terrorists, reason for this is that jews are defending themselves against Muslims, and Muslims are killed by Jews, this is what the Muslims who demonstrate together with their stupid white brothers in Arms, they are not interested when hundreds of thousands of other Muslims are killed all over the Middle East by other Muslims, Baroness Waheeda Warsi simply used the Gaza war as an excuse to resign, she wasn’t up to her job anyway. If because of her actions British Muslims become more violent and attack the Jewish community as a way of venting their anger at Israel, Warsi should then be made accountable for aggravating the situation and bringing the Middle East war to the streets of the UK as has happened in other European countries notably France.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    “Nobody cares about the Jews.”
    Remember that punchline?

  • Liz

    “Jewish people and its eternal connection to the land of Israel”

    Eternal? The a Jewish people stole it from the Philistines and Canaanites (killed and drove them out), had it for a while, lost it to the Romans, left voluntarily, came back 2000 years later and stole it from the Palestinians (killed and drove them out).

  • Liz

    “Convulsion of anti-Semitism”.

    Well there have been some incitement in the press, a couple of posters and some nasty messages of social media. The kind that women are expected (by The Spectator and the Daily Mail incidentally) to suck up every day of the week.

    • Sean L

      No that’s a category error dear: there’s been no incitement against, or scarcely any criticism of, women as such. What you’re doing is interpreting any abusive remark directed against particular women as abuse of women as such.

      Incidentally, you don’t comment on another fact Melanie Phillips refers to: that the Muslim casualties inflicted by Israelis amount to a fraction of those killed and maimed by their fellow Mulims, and in many places. Indeed if the media reporting was proportional we would scarcely hear of Gaza since there aren’t enough hours in the day. Now why might that be, the media’s disproportionate reporting of Israel? Unlike Melanie P I don’t think it’s entirely a product of ant-semitism, though that’s surely part of it. I reckon it’s more to do with the appearance of most Israeli media representatives. If they elected a few Falasha it would soom be a different story. Just as criticsm of US drone bombings of innocent Muslims is muted now that Obama’s at the helm. Whereas if it was still Bush in the White House the “Stop the War” mob would be in full frenzy, even though by all acounts Obama has presided over far more such attacks than his predecessor.

      • Liz

        The Daily Mail incites hatred of women each and every day.
        The Spectator brings up the rear under the guise of having a laugh, and cheerleads sexual assault and victim blaming.

        And the Internet is literally awash with hate speech against women, as is this message board a great deal of the time, and there are a damn site more physical and verbal attacks on them than on any religious group in Europe. Not that anyone would know it because helpfully sexism isn’t included as a category in hate legislation.

        Melanie Philips herself is of the opinion that women should amend their clothing (to disguise their s*x) to be safe from assault. One imagines she doesn’t feel the same about religious clothing.

  • Liz

    “Indeed, since Hamas uses its people as human shields to paint Israel as child-killers”

    If Hamas do use their own children as human shields; even if they strap them to wooden boards and hide themselves and their weapons behind them, Israel’s got to stop firing at them.

    • zoid

      no. israel has responsibilities to safeguard its armed forces and its people in general…no one else….

      …safeguarding the gazan people is the responsibility of their elected representatives, who’ve so far built tunnels and bought rockets, but haven’t built a school, air raid shelter or any peacetime infrastructure for their people

  • Jonathan

    I simply cannot believe how bigoted this journalist is. This pathetic excuse for supporting the indefensible murder (Read genocide) of the ethnic Palestinians is an absolute outrage and the Spectator should be ashamed. Cameron like all of the other egregious Western government leaders, is bought by the evil Zionist Neocons. But even he has to draw a line in the sand over this mass murder of innocent people. I was heartened to see so many people demonstrate against the vile actions of these Jewish murders.

    • zoid

      what a crock!

      genocide is the deliberate killing of a people…

      …look at the some population figures regarding the palestinians….the palestinian population (in both wb and gaza) has grown from 1.9 million in 1990 to almost 4 million now…

      …those israelis are lousy at genocide…

      • ScreamingLordCashpoint

        ‘…those israelis are lousy at genocide..’

        give them time, they’re trying so hard.

    • Daidragon

      Melanie should fuck off to Israel if she thinks it’s so special.

  • Augustus

    The Iranian leader Khamenei has now demanded of the Islamic world that the West Bank should also be an armed terrorist area. Khamenei is delighted with this war – now just the West Bank and his pleasure will be complete. And all the dead Palestinian children certainly makes Khamenei happier than the living, because they all go to Allah’s paradise. The complete destruction of Israel is, of course, Khamenei’s sacred goal. But one has to ask, Would everyone be begging Hamas to stop killing Jews if their missile assaults were more effective? No, because anti-Semitism, and hatred of Israel in general, is an acute infection. It attacks and rots the mind until the humanity of the soul itself dies. These haters, these vehement anti-Semites, are poisoned and dead inside. They are evil, yet see themselves as heroic and virtuous heroes of the Left. But they are dead inside.

    • Jacques Strap

      They are misguided fools.

  • stainrod10

    I do hope that Melanie’s efforts to clear up falsehoods about Israel’s history include a thorough discourse about the activities of the Stern Gang and their compadres in the forties and the terrorism they wrought that led to the foundation of the country . It would illuminating to contrast the actions of these groups with Hamas and the ironies that lie there. Israel will doubtless win the military battle but they will lose the war of ideas, perception and ultimately will be weaker , not stronger. Its a self defeating course of action

    • the viceroy’s gin

      Yes, they’re wrong and it will never work, and why can’t these fools see that?

      How predictable you are.

  • Richard

    I would be grateful for the author’s comments on this report of a blog recently posted in “The Times of Israel”:

    The blog by Yochanan Gordon, titled “When Genocide Is Permissible,”
    calmly argues for the complete obliteration of not just Hamas, but of
    everyone — women, children, innocent civilians — who lives in the Gaza
    strip.

    The article stated: “Hamas has stated forthrightly that it
    idealises death as much as Israel celebrates life. What other way then
    is there to deal with an enemy of this nature other than obliterate them
    completely?”

    “We have already established that it is the responsibility of every government to ensure the safety and security of its people. If political leaders and military experts determine that the only way to achieve its goal of sustaining quiet is through genocide is it then permissible to achieve those responsible goals?”

    “Anyone who lives with rocket launchers installed or terror tunnels burrowed in
    or around the vicinity of their home cannot be considered an innocent
    civilian.”

    • zoid

      that is an isolated article……however, if you ever see any broadcasts from al-aqsatv or read/view other hamas mouthpieces, then you’ll find that they are quite open about their genocidal intent…

      …gordon’s article is demonstrative of a minority and marginalised point of view in israel which has little popular support, whereas hamas’ ‘death to all jews’ schtick got it elected….

      israel outlawed its extremist party (shas)….gaza elected theirs….

  • The Masked Marvel

    Second attempt to please the moderators: Cameron cannot come out and say anything like this lest he be labelled a Zionist puppet. He needs votes and positive media coverage, not moral accolades from Jewish writers. If he said anything this strong, the BBC would kill him, for a start.

  • ilPugliese

    Typical Melanie Phillips collection of assertions. Everyone who criticises Israel is now a Jew-hater or a demoniser of Israelis. Jewish settlements in the occupied territories are quite legal. Jews have an entitlement to an eternal Jewish homeland in Israel. Britain betrayed its legal obligation (which one was that?) to provide it. British children should be taught in school about this entitlement and the history of it and that the Arabs are persecutors. All a convenient subset of the complete history.

    • Augustus

      Britain betrayed its legal obligation (which one was that?)”

      Article 22 of the League of Nations Covenant of July 1922, in confirmation of the San Remo Resolution of April 1920. Plus the Franco-British Boundary Convention of December 1920. Plus the additional Anglo-American Convention of December 1924 which respected the Mandate for Palestine. These documents were the foundation of Jewish legal rights and title of sovereignty over British Mandate Palestine and the Land of Israel under international law. A legal onus was thus placed on Britain to ensure that the Jewish National Home would be duly established, but Britain betrayed that legal obligation because the Mandate created a right of return for the Jewish people to the whole of mandated Palestine, and the right to establish settlements on land throughout the whole country in order to create the envisaged Jewish state as exclusive beneficiary.

      • ilPugliese

        Thank you! I will have a read.

      • ilPugliese

        From looking at the resolution, “the British government had undertaken to favour the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine without prejudice to the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine “. It doesn’t say that a Jewish state would be established, just a home, and I suspect the ability to establish it without prejudice to the existing communities proved to be impossible. It says a lot for the arrogance or ignorance of politicians that they think they can just move a people with its own culture into the midst of another people with a very different culture and expect it to be all sweetness and light.

  • bengeo

    Anyone know how big Gaza is?

    – 27 miles long and 5 miles wide.

    • Jacques Strap

      Blimey, he has put on some weight since he quit football.

      • bengeo

        That’s the booze for you. 🙂

        • Jacques Strap

          Shhh dont mention booze in front of the muslims!

          • bengeo

            That is very thoughtful of you.

            • Jacques Strap

              Thanks, because we have to put their needs before ours….

              • bengeo

                Troll

                • Jacques Strap

                  Anti-Troll!

    • Alexsandr

      what is so good to make people stay there? Surely its a no brainer to go and live somewhere else. Even Dudley must be better than that!

      • bengeo

        The Oslo Accords ceded control of the airspace and territorial waters to Israel. Any external travel from Gaza requires cooperation from either Egypt or Israel.

  • Jacques Strap

    “Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends.
    They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship
    shall become one of their number. God does not guide the wrong-doers.”
    -Qur’an 5:51

  • gerronwithit

    Fat chance Melanie. Agree with most of what you are saying but we have no need or responsibility to deliver Zionist history to our classrooms. You should know as well as anyone the mess we already have in this country dealing with multiculturalism and the need to hammer home British history, for all the good that will do us in the end.

  • Richard Eldritch

    Israel doesn’t do it’self any more favours than the Gazans. Three blokes get murdered so ya carpet bomb an entire population? Ya can see how that looks or should we bomb jamaica everytime some yardy kills a Brit? Anyway I’m a proper Brit, I hate ya both, Israel should be British.

  • john watson

    ‘Israel has lost 63 soldiers in combat and three civilians have died from rocket fire into the country’.

    ‘more than 1,600 Palestinians dead. 8,300 injured ‘.

    If you can’t see this for what it is, you’re probably suffering from a personality disorder.

    • Colonel Mustard

      “In the Soviet Union, a systematic political abuse of psychiatry took place and was based on the interpretation of political dissent as a psychiatric problem. It was called “psychopathological mechanisms” of dissent. During the leadership of General Secretary Leonid Brezhnev, psychiatry was used as a tool to eliminate political opponents (“dissidents”) who openly expressed beliefs that contradicted official dogma.”

      • john watson

        If someone can’t see that the mass slaughter of innocents is totally unjustifiable, to my mind they fit into the psycho category. Psychopaths have trouble with empathy, that’s why they try and justify things like…the mass slaughter of innocents.

        • Colonel Mustard

          Yes, I gathered that is what you thought the first time.

          • john watson

            You disagree?

            • Jacques Strap

              So what do you propose as the alternative option?

              • Alexsandr

                there are some who think you can destroy an enemies war assets without using weapons. They think you can have a sterile war where no-one gets killed. Unfortunately, war isnt like that. They ignore the IDF has taken care to reduce casualties. Hamas hasnt, even of the Gaza people.
                And they forget Hamas’ objective is to kill jews. The fact they are rubbish at it does not remove the motive, or the possibility that the Hamas rockets could be very deadly.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  The left are always selective when it comes to expressing moral outrage at the “mass slaughter of innocents”. It is why they never forget Bloody Sunday but have no time to grieve for the innocents “disappeared” by the IRA. It is why the likes of telemachus can huff and puff about Israel but then dismiss the mass slaughter of innocent millions by Stalin and Mao as “necessary for progress” and admire them as “strong leaders”. It is why a mob of the righteous can assemble in London with their SWP banners and protest on behalf of one of the worst terrorist regimes in the world, which throws its political opponents out of buildings and drags them half-burnt behind vehicles, but not say a peep, not a word, decade after decade, for the millions of persecuted and murdered in North Korea.

                • john watson

                  That may apply to ‘the left’, but it certainly doesn’t to me. So, maybe you could answer the question I asked of you instead of avoiding it and becoming the hypocrite you just bemoaned in your last post.

                • john watson

                  ‘The fact they are rubbish at it does not remove the motive, or the possibility that the Hamas rockets could be very deadly.’

                  So best kill a bunch of innocents then. Lol, how does your mind work exactly?

              • john watson

                An alternative to what? Slaughtering innocent men women and children? If so.. how about NOT slaughtering innocent men women and children.

  • Augustus

    “This hatred and bigotry is being fuelled by warped and distorted reporting about the Gaza war.”

    Most certainly. But it is also being fuelled by Islamic schools which get their donations from religious Fascist countries such as Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, etc. These schools, where young Muslims are indoctrinated and incited towards anti-Semitism, as well as against the very country to which their parents and grandparents came to find a more prosperous life, are a monumental disgrace.

  • dado_trunking

    So Russian money leaves the City in large quantities to move elsewhere and we blame the Jews for that? That is a very odd thing to do.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      …what does the goat think about that, lad?

  • misomiso

    What if you were born Palestinian Melanie?

    How can you not acknowledge the pain and suffering and genuine grieviances of the Palestinian people?

    How can you not condemn utterly and totally the building of Settlements?

    Israel is a Beautiful state, formed from the inhuman horror of the Nazis in the 2nd world war. But look what they have become?

    • Alexsandr

      the jews started to gather in what is now Israel in the mid 19th century, a process that accelerated during the British mandate. They didnt just suddenly all appear on one day in 1948.
      and they have been defending their enclave since before the end of the ottoman Empire. is it a surprise that they have a robust attitude to attackers?

    • Inverted Meniscus

      Yes it’s become a democracy defending itself from terrorist scum.

      • Jacques Strap

        Indeed, it is not Israels fault that muslims enjoy overbreeding.

  • Bonkim

    Now Melanie, whist part of this makes sense and anti-semitism needs to be combated at every level, the rest is humbug. No reason British school children should be taught Zionist propaganda and ‘history of the Jewish people and its eternal connection to the land of Israel.’ – or more importantly God given rights of Israelis to expand on occupied territories.

    Balanced analysis of the mixed up colonial history of Palestine, and the muddled manner in which the colonial powers divided up the Mid-East and provided a hope for world-jews to have a second home to atone for their historic persecution in Europe – yes. That is to illustrate the consequences of past mistakes in history and need to resolve issues based on the present situation.

    Attacking Jews in Britain for events taking place in Gaza or Israel is utter stupidity, equally that does not imply that Israel can do what it wants in disregard to civilized behaviour. Pointing out to US and British behaviour in foreign wars and comparing how that compares with Israel’s action in Gaza also does not stick. Israel’s actions need to be looked in the context of the history of Gaza which just a congested refugee Camp with over three generations of hopeless and displaced people. If they are lobbing rockets – an impotent act in frustration that is no justification for the massive destruction and loss of life inflicted by Israel.

    • Alexsandr

      so what is israel supposed to do in the face of hamas agression. sit and wait until one of their rockets manages to hit somewhere and kill loads of Israelis?
      Hamas committed acts of war by firing rockets at Israel. The job of a soldier in war is to seek out and destroy the enemy. which is what they are doing.
      Failure to do that will mean the enemy will regroup and attach you again.
      You have to look at the hamas charter which vows to destroy Israel which is in line with the Koran..
      You also have to understand Hamas are the Quatar government by proxy.

      • Bonkim

        I have no problem if the Gaza strip is obliterated – but don’t justify that in rational terms.

        Israel was founded on land confiscated from Palestinians – now refugees living in UN administered concentration camps – don’t expect anything else from caged animals that is what they have turned into over the generations.

        Who cares what the religious texts of Muslims or Jews teach them – what we see is the manifestation of historic wrongs.

        • Alexsandr

          well i wish you well trying to unravel whose land is whose. People will put up arguments going back to Adam and Eve.
          Even unraveling the land tenure of the Ottomans is hard enough without the complication of the Mandate.

        • Augustus

          Caged animals? You are totally and deviously ignorant, Gazans themselves have constructed their own prison cage. Gazans kept themselves poor from 1948 to 1967. They did not develop a state or build an economy, as Israel did in the same period. Gazans actually enjoyed the most amount of freedom and peace under Israeli administration. In the 1970s to the mid 1990s the ordinary Gazan had freedom to travel to Israel and the West Bank. In fact 40% of Palestinians found employment in Israel. Israel supported Palestinian business, it increased Palestinian water resources by 100% and electrified the Palestinian territories. Under Israel Administration schools and universities were built. Infant mortality rates plummeted and Palestinians lived longer because of the tremendous increase in the quality of healthcare brought by Israel to Gaza and the West Bank.

          The transfer of Gaza to the PA and unending terrorist attacks by Hamas and other terrorists was the reason a separation fence was built keeping terrorists in Gaza. It led to Palestinians being excluded from the Israeli marketplace. It lead to the closures of the economic zones. It also ended the economic advancement and build up of infrastructure which Israel had accomplished in Gaza during its administration. Under Palestinian administration the water resources have been fouled by improper drilling of wells and failure to build water treatment and desalination plants, Palestinians failed to build the electrical infrastructure for Gaza’s energy requirements. Palestinians failed to improve their medical facilities to handle the great increase in population between the end of Israeli administration and the present time, instead investing their money in corruption and armed resistance.

          • Jacques Strap

            Not to mention their birthrate… they will soon make up for the recent loss.

          • Bonkim

            Agree with much of what you say – the Palestinians think different and have different priorities. You can be living in a gilted prison and get all mod cons – that however does not equate to the freedom to make your own mistakes and fritter away your treasure.

            On the real plane Gaza is a refugee camp and Gazans do not have the organisation needed to progress – frustration breeds desperation and Israel is their standing enemy – don’t expect change.

      • Jacques Strap

        Mess with the best, expect to die like the rest.

      • HookesLaw

        ‘Now Melanie, whist part of this makes sense and anti-semitism needs to be combated at every level, the rest is humbug.’

        Yes, I would tend to go along with that. If a crime is being committed – if people are being persecuted – then its a matter for the police not political interference. All of a sudden Cameron is to blame for people being anti semitic on top of all the other daft things dim people want to blame him for.

        • Alexsandr

          what has cameron got to do with my post above?

          • Jacques Strap

            He is obsessed with him, bless.

  • Augustus

    “In Iraq and Afghanistan we showed nothing like the care Israel is taking to avoid killing civilians wherever possible, even sacrificing its own soldiers to do so.”

    And who, with any common sense, can blame Israel for disabling Hamas. Billions in aid have been provided to the Gaza Palestinians. Where’s all that money gone? Luxury villas for the Hamas leadership in Qatar, Iranian missiles, tunnel building materials etc., but what’s has been spent on the Gazans themselves? And why does the UN body UNRWA specifically fail to blame anyone for placing a weapons stockpile within a children’s school? It actually handed the rockets it had found back to Hamas. And last week UNRWA supplies and building materials were found in a Hamas tunnel which has been used to smuggle weapons and carry out attacks on the State of Israel. And this UN body no longer mentions the names of the dead who were clearly members of terrorist groups, because these known terrorists mustn’t be identified or named. So now we have a supposedly independent UN legal body now doing Hamas’ bidding, because the only explanation for their change in policy is that Hamas told them to do it, so they did. Without doubt, ‘Muslim anti-Semitism is the principal driver of the Islamic war against both Israel and the West’.

  • sarahsmith232

    For me, what she writes is illogical because her understanding of rights are being warped by her believe that Jews have a more righteous – ‘eternal connection to the land of Israel.’ There’s no logical, reasonable reason why someone should believe this. But she then goes on to show how silly, unreasonable and only malleably convenient her believe that historical ethnic and religious longevity must confer a more righteous position in society is when she then goes on to show that she believes that white, English kids must be educated to believe themselves historical products of racism/fascism/ignorance and general all round innate inferiority in relation to her own.
    Has anyone challenged on the really quite gapingly wide hole in her logic?

    • Bonkim

      What else do you expect from Melanie Phillips except Israeli propaganda?

      • Alexsandr

        makes a refreshing change from the cheerleaders for a mysogenistic, violent, paedophile religion that has no tolerance for any other faith or atheism, and whose ‘holy’ book is full of passages inciting violence.
        I suspect many who spout pro hamas stuff have not bothered to research the Hamas charter nor the verses of hate in the Koran. But that would get in the way of a nice bout of marxist jew hating would it not?

        • Chris Morriss

          “Marxist Jew hating”
          Yes, lots of Jews are Marxist!

          • Alexsandr

            there was an article in the telegraph this week that explained why the left hate the jews. Look it up.

      • sarahsmith232

        Agree, her logic is all over the place and I don’t see how on earth she can believe herself separate and different from the likes of Hamas when using Jewish ‘historical and legal’ superior rights as the basis for her argument.
        I just re-read my post, yeah, i’m all over the place as well. Don’t make my point very well. ‘Cause if she wants to align herself with a belief in such a thing as ‘historical rights’ then she can’t in the next breath demand that our education system should be used to train white, Christian, English kids to see themselves as historical products of ignorance and racism. That our history lessons should be skewed to the benefit of Jews and to the detriment of white English people.
        – ‘Cause in the world where ethnic and religious historical longevity trumps all else then our white, Christian non-Jewish identity trumps theirs. She doesn’t have any legitimate rights when they’re in conflict with Christian, white English ones, if we’re being expected to use the logic behind her – rights conferred by history, thinking. Her demand that we use our education system to brainwash white English to become ashamed of our national history is in direct conflict with our English, superior ‘historical rights’. So how can she then believe she has the right to demand it? Completely illogical.
        Is that me meandering again? Prob’, oh well. Just wish someone would challenge her on her oh so convenient, like you write ‘Middle Ages’ thinking.

        • Augustus

          Off with your head!

        • Bonkim

          Human mind is capable of thinking in diverse channels. So O.K

    • Augustus

      “warped by her believe that Jews have a more righteous – ‘eternal connection to the land of Israel”

      What are you on about? Jewish legal rights and title of sovereignty over the Land of Israel has always been indisputable, It was those Arabic-speaking peoples who increasingly fought the return of the Jews to their homeland, And they even went a stage further and no longer called themselves Arabs or Syrians, but Palestinians, in a propaganda switch of national identity.The very name of this supposed national entity is non-Arabic in origin, and derives from Hebrew root letters. The Arabs of Palestine have no connection or relationship to the ancient Philistines from whom they took their new name. Yasser Arafat was a con-man and anti-Semite of the highest order, and his administrative cronies should never have been allowed by Israel to have anything to do with Judea, Samaria and Gaza whatsoever.

      • Alexsandr

        yasser arafat was also born in Cairo. not in gaza or the west bank.

      • sarahsmith232

        Ok dear, so you’re of the belief that if there are a set of people that can be described in ethnic and religious terms and have a historically (slightly, ’cause, I mean, come on, Christians and Muslims have also been there for really quite some time also). That have a slightly longer historical connection to a specific landmass they should be understood as of superior importance, have more rights.
        Ok, so then she and you can’t then get to say that Germans in the 1930s were in the wrong to want to rid their nation of Jews. They had a ‘historical right’ to be able to do so. You can say ‘yes, but gassing them, really not ok’ but you can’t get to say ‘they were wrong to want to remove their presence in society, the Jews had rights, it was wrong on every level’.
        I’m going to guess that you would probably not agree that Germans had a superior ethnic and religious historical right to want to see Jews no longer be a part of their nation. So how is that logical then?

        • Alexsandr

          doubt muslims were there before the 7th century AD
          Jews were there 4000 years ago

          • sarahsmith232

            Honey, logic? You don’t have any. Try and that one dearie.

            • Alexsandr

              if you post in English I may understand.

              • sarahsmith232

                Ok dear, I’m not exactly the sharpest knife going, and maybe a more intelligent person than myself could manage to make some logical link that could persuade a person that there is such a thing as ‘historical rights’ . . . . when they’re conveniently used to be of specific benefit for Jews, and for everybody else, there’s none. Maybe a more intelligent person could manage to explain how that all works out logically.
                You, quite simply, on the other hand, sorry dear, but you can’t come back at my argument ’cause you aren’t intelligent enough to be able to.

                • Alexsandr

                  but many here seem to think the Jews have no historic rights. And many seem to think sorting out who has what right would be easy. As I have said, its complex, going back to biblical times, and also the chaos of the end of the Ottoman empire, the British mandate and the post war crisis in which Israel was formed. Hasn’t been stable since 1948 has it?
                  Spose you could give it to a load of lawyers and make the lawyers very rich.

                • sarahsmith232

                  I’m not saying Jews have no rights, but she’s saying that not only are theirs superior within Israel she also seems to believe that white, Christian English kids rights in this society should be understood as secondary also.
                  She’s demanding that we educate our kids to see our national history as one that we should be ashamed of. She’s demanding that we use history classes to train our kids to see themselves as products of a corrupted, disgraceful, ignorant, racist, fascist nation.
                  There’s a lot of nationalistic English people that post on here, yet they’re aligning themselves with her writing. That doesn’t seem to make much logical sense to me.

                • sarahsmith232

                  BTW, what Telegraph article was that? Which journalist, have you got a link?

                • Erictheowl

                  From the complete incomprehensibility of your posts I would suggest that you take more water with it in future, pet.

        • Augustus

          I don’t understand your argument about ‘superior importance’ etc. As for Germany, it’s well know that Jews had been well-established there. ‘Germans in the 30s’ as you so prettily describe the rise of the Third Reich, not only ‘were in the wrong to want to rid their nation of Jews’, they wanted to wipe out all the Jews of Western and Eastern Europe put together, and succeeded in carrying out the greatest genocide of all time. Btw, Arabs were a far greater beneficiary to land for self-determination in the Middle East in the 20th Century than the small nation which the Jews had won, and even then they had to fight pretty damn hard to keep even that.

  • Blindsideflanker

    If Jews conflate their religion with the state of Israel , they shouldn’t be surprise to find them and their religion are on the receiving end of anger resulting from actions of the state of Israel.

    With Israel and the Jews we seem to have got to a situation of now you see us now you don’t, where over the top and murderous responses from the Government of Israel can’t be criticised because if you take Israel to task for its actions, they switch identities and claim you are having a go at the Jews.

    • artemis in france

      You seem unaware that Israel was founded as a refuge for all Jews. With anti-semitism on thé rise, within a décade or so I predict that growing Muslim populations throughout Europe will make it increasingly difficult for Jews to live in France and the UK and perhaps in other countires too. Israel wil be their only refuge unless they can get to the US. But even there things are starting to turn against them, both politically and demographically. Jews who choose to take the Palestinian side in the current conflict should reflect on the wisdom of their views for they are like quislings sowing the seeds of their own destruction. Islamics won’t care which side they’re on because a Jew is a Jew to them.

      • Alexsandr

        reports say increasing numbers of French jews are emigrating to Israel
        They have seen jew hatred in Europe before,

      • Shazza

        It won’t be just the Jews who will find living in Europe intolerable within a decade or two as the moslem population mushrooms.

        For the moslems it is just a question of priorities, i.e., first the Jews, second homosexuals (Lefties as well), then the rest of us.

        The UK/Europe will be islamic states within 30 years. Max.

    • Augustus

      “they switch identities and claim you are having a go at the Jews.”

      That’s amusing, considering the world’s most famous ‘switchers’ are the present-day Palestinians who switched from being just ME Arabs to a whole newly fabricated identity. Aided and abetted by the UN around about 1969 they morphed into Palestinians. Before that the Palestinians used to be the Jews.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        Yes, they started off using the racial-identity approach, as became fashionable among the communists and their fellow travelers pre and post-war. Arafat was himself an atheist and communist. Later, after all that fell out of fashion, and islamofascism began its reassertion, Arafat began jumping the rug and doing the hamana hamana, so the rich Mideast thugocrats would take over his financial needs. Poor Afafat, here he’d been all dressed up like Fidel the revolutionary, rebelling against the be-robed sheiks all across the Mideast, and then suddenly Moscow pulled the rug out from under him and he had to go rag-hat in hand begging the be-robed sheiks for cash. Watching all this over the years was like watching Weimar burlesque.

  • Shlomo

    Reading this reminds me that peace in Israel and the Occupied Territories has two principal foes: Islamic terrorists, their acolytes & supporters on one side; and batsh*t crazy Zio-chauvinists like Melanie Phillips on the other.

    • monty61

      For sure that’s the truth. Unfortunately one of them is currently Israeli Prime Minister.

      Shouting ‘anti-semitism’ at the faintest whiff of criticism of Israel’s actions is doing the country no favours whatsoever among those of us who seek to be its friends.

      The fiction that there is no alternative to this one-sided battering of civlilans needs to called out, repeatedly, as utterly false, even as we also condemn Hamas and their rockets.

      • Andy

        Like Muslims shouting ‘Islamaphobia’ at the faintest whiff of criticism of their hate filled religion.
        Seems that most Muslims are anti-Semitic and Christianphobic.

        • Alexsandr

          most? Read your Koran. its there in black and white
          and you left out apostates and gays.

          • Andy

            I’m ashamed to adit that I do have a copy of that hate-filled book in my library, but I don’t bother to read it. But you are right in what you say.

            • Alexsandr

              and there is google.

        • Chris Morriss

          Don’t you realise that “semitic” has a racial, not a religious meaning? Most of the indigenous arabs in the vicinity of Israel and Palestine are also semitic.

          • Alexsandr

            you are right in your definition of semitic, but anti-semitic seems to mean anti-jew in general use.

            • Chris Morriss

              Only because there has been a deliberate campaign by a group of people with their own agenda to make it so.

      • Augustus

        The ‘one-sided battering of civilians’ was entirely due to those thousands of powerful Iranian rockets being fired incessantly into Israel by crazed groups of Islamic terrorists. If you poke a hornets nest long enough you’re bound to get stung.

    • Augustus

      Hamas is ruthless to its own people, considering them as defence weapons instead of assets. Hamas has never tried to employ people, resulting in an over 50% unemployment rate there.The median age in Gaza is 14. Half of the people are mere children. Women are obviously seen as baby incubators even as other countries are cutting down on their populations. Babies are cannon fodder, literally.They are raised on young TV personalities who preach hate. ‘Zio-chauvinists’, however much you might like to despise them, don’t live like that. That’s the difference.

  • swatnan

    It has to be said, they’ve brought it on themselves.

  • YahYah

    This is not Jew-hatred. When Netanyahu went to Davos in January, he chose to give a speech on how economically beneficial it was that Israel is investing heavily in military development. Even if Israel is resigned to a permanent state of war with Palestine, and even if that is a pragmatic position, it’s going to have to acknowledge that that does not sit well with the rest of the world, and as the more advanced state it is expected of Israel to pursue a higher ideal.

    If you’re not careful, these claims of “Jew-hatred” are going to become self-fulfilling. Jews are too successful to be granted minority status by the average person. You’re playing to your weaknesses if you cast this argument like this.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      What is this “higher ideal” you reference? Is it that their citizenry should be murdered arbitrarily by savage animals, while they stand aside and watch and do nothing? And if those like you who advocate that insanity are called anti-semites, the shoe fits, doesn’t it? You anti-semites would never accept that slaughter to yours, but you demand others accept it, the sub-humans, apparently.

  • http://owsblog.blogspot.com Span Ows

    Or he could paraphrase Golda Meir:

    Peace will come to the Middle East and elsewhere including the UK when all* Muslims love their children more than they hate Jews (and Christians, increasingly: first the Saturday people…)

    * I know she said Arabs but with our Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Somali Muslim problems growing I think the above is fair.

  • Ron Todd

    If Hamas diverted all the effort they put into building rockets into building shelters for their people then they would have a lot of shelters but nothing to shelter from.

    • http://owsblog.blogspot.com Span Ows

      What about not building shelters but building schools, roads, hospitals, colleges, industry, agriculture, irrigation, etc…If they stopped attacking they wouldn’t NEED shelters.

      • Alexsandr

        The isaelis buit excellent shelters. Maybe why the Hamas rockets have not caused casualties.

        • saffrin

          Hamas’ rockets haven’t found targets as they are being shot down by the air defence system freely supplied by the US in an attempt by the US government at the time to keep Israel out of the first Gulf war…remember?

      • sarahsmith232

        Luvvie, have you been there? I spent just a few days in the West Bank, not very knowledgeable or anything but saw the way that the Israeli’s act to throttle the first signs of successful industry there. It’s not in Israel’s interest to allow Arabs to become successful, that would be far too threatening to them. Don’t forget what it is that animates this Netanyahu’s every impulse – the absolute, rock solid, to his very core belief that ALL non-Jews wish to see them exterminated. That they will be wiped out by both Muslims AND Christians if the Jew were not the hostile aggressor.
        Make no mistake, Netanyahu’s first interest is in keeping Arabs trapped in intolerable destitution.

        • Alexsandr

          hang on. Israel is about the size of Wales. The Arabs have land from Pakistan to North Africa. Their intolerance of one small patch in non islamic territory just shows their rank hypocracy.
          have Jews questioned the right of Islamic states that surround them to exist?

          • sarahsmith232

            Er. . .yes.

            • Inverted Meniscus

              No. You idiot.

            • Darnell Jackson

              Sarah you are puddled, the rop hate the Jews.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          …so you’re saying that the Israelis are tamping down “successful industry”, you know, like the type of “successful industry” we see all around the Middle East, where not even one world class manufactured product originates (well, other than from Israel)?

          Sorry, but that’s bunk.

        • Colonel Mustard
        • http://owsblog.blogspot.com Span Ows

          where have you been luvvie? Jewish development started about 130 years ago with the draining of swamps, irrigation, terracing, planting of trees etc. Jump forward 60 years to the creation of Transjordan and Israel…how do the advances since then compare?

    • Colonel Mustard

      An essential truth that jew-haters overlook.

      • you_kid

        No one relevant ‘hates’ jews in Britain and frankly, why would anyone? Britain is a bacon/pork pie/pork scratching loving nation.

        “Come here and adhere to our values I say – pork haters are rightly eyed with suspicious doubt.”

        Isn’t it absolutely curious that when posters post this and attack halal, the bigots will trip over their own feet to support it.
        When the comment is made to pisstake the koscher lot all ethics suddenly go out of the window.

        This is pathetic stuff. Britain MSM, get a grip!

        • the viceroy’s gin

          Well, I agree that you and your army of jew-hating sockpuppets are not relevant, lad, even as you cheerlead for your murderous islamofascist buddies… Hamas .

          • you_kid

            Jesus Christ, when will this muppet be banned?

            • the viceroy’s gin

              …I imagine it’d take several staffers to round up your army of sockpuppets and get them banned, eh lad?

            • the viceroy’s gin

              …but it is just like you socialist nutters, to seek to silence those who disagree with you, eh lad? Maybe you’ll have the camps someday, to bring that about finally. You Levesonista fascists can always dream, can’t you?

              • you_kid

                You cretin misrepresent my lines repeatedly and openly.
                When will you be banned?
                Are you employed by the Spectator?
                Why are you not banned for blatant misrepresentation if you were not?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Nobody “misrepresents your lines”, troll.

                  Perhaps you socialist Levesonista nutters will eventually get your way, and be able to send your dissenters to the camps. Oh happy day then, eh fascist laddie?

                • you_kid

                  Inshallah this troll will be banned.
                  I am not holding my breath.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Maybe you should put-in a call to Gauleiter Leveson, troll. He can round up the necessary brownshirts and go to town on that, in the fashion that you fascists prefer.

                • you_kid

                  Rian Gyggs flicks a switch and shaggs his brazza’s missus.
                  Why would I give a s**t, you git?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …can any other of you socialist nutters translate this nutter’s fascist gibberish?

                • you_kid

                  Rihanna’s nipple slips, oh p*ss!

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …give a go at this bizarre gibberish as well.

                • you_kid

                  Huge Grunt grunts a hugely popular phew! in Mandarin. “Mayfair me alone”.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …but this gibberish may be irredeemable.

            • Inverted Meniscus

              It’s you and your army of EU sponsored gibberish spouting socialist nutter trolling sock puppets that should be banned laddie. Trolling tripe and tagging comments to destroy debate with your gibberish.

            • Jackthesmilingblack

              If he’s banned, you’ll be next in line.

    • Patriccia Shaw

      Yes but what should Cameron say?

      If you read Speccie you imbibe from the last paragraph.

      *

      This is what David Cameron should say: ‘I am utterly appalled by the attacks on the Jewish people on the streets of Britain and in our public discourse….

      *

      Melanie failed to add that the ire of the British people needs to be redirected to the State of Israel who bomb the defenceless Palestinians in their schools and their hospitals. They should remind the Israeli leadership that they are responsible, and they alone, for the plight of their co-religionists on the streets of Europe.

      • Ron Todd

        If somebody is firing rockets at you from a hospital do you just let them? Do you wait until they get better rockets or until Iran gives them a nuclear warhead? Muslims in Europe have been attacking Jews for a long time. When there was a very minor backlash against Islam after 9/11 all the liberal idiots blamed white working class racism not the Islamic killers.

        • Alexsandr

          bad news. ISIS may well have neuclear weapond. Check wiki.

        • Patriccia Shaw

          In truth, Netanyahu, by his intemperate actions is hastening the time when Iran will attain Nuclear Capability.
          It would then be a very brave man who would predict that they would not be justified in sharing them with Hamas.
          It is for this reason that Western co-religionists must drag the Israeli regime to their senses.

          • MaxSceptic

            I’ll be that brave man and say that such ‘justification’ is a good reason to eradicate the Iranian Islamic leadership along with Hamas.

          • Cooper cap

            You don’t answer his point about firing from hospitals. We heard rockets being fired from outside the hospital window as the BBC reporterwas doing his piece inside. The reporter explained the noise without interrogating the doctor alongside him on why it was being allowed.

            • telemachus

              In a dense ghetto that is Gaza there are limited options.
              You can fire from between domestic homes or the wider and safer spaces that exist around hospitals.
              You preach the Israeli propaganda narrative.

              • Alexsandr

                they could fire from open countryside away from people. But then they would not get the pics of dead people on TV when Israel seeks to destroy the rocket launch sites to claim victim status on the rolling TV news channels.
                there is plenty of open land -look on google maps.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Or they could not fire at all in which case there would be nothing for Israel to retaliate against.

                • Alexsandr

                  well yes, but i was rebutting tellytubby drivel.

              • Ron Todd

                Not so dense look on Google map or similar apps plenty of space away from civilians.

                • Augustus

                  That’s right, Hamas has plenty of wide open spaces inside Gaza if they want to fight a war against Israel, with little to no ‘accidental’ civilian casualties. But they chose to fight behind schools, hospitals, houses and market places where the most civilian casualties can be counted on.

              • Augustus

                “How, as a socialist, can you not be an anti-Semite?”
                -Adolf Hitler (1920)

                • telemachus

                  Some of my close friends are Jewish and an uncle of mine is Jewish by marriage
                  In my discussions with them it is clear that they too have a problem with the current stance of the Israeli State

                • Augustus

                  OK, fair enough. But then there’s this:

                  “Our belief about fighting you [Jews] is that we will exterminate you, until the last one, and we will not leave of any of you, even one. For you are the usurpers of the land, foreigners, mercenaries of the present and of all times. Look at history, brothers: Wherever there were Jews, they spread corruption. They spread corruption in the land, and Allah does not like corrupters. Their belief is destructive. Their belief fulfills the prophecy. Our belief is in obtaining our rights on our land, implementing Shari’ah law under Allah’s sky.”
                  -an incendiary sermon aired on Al-Aqsa TV recently by a cleric who promises the complete extermination of the Jews.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  And so what should Israel do to prevent murderous terrorists from firing missiles at its citizens?

                • Daidragon

                  Many non Israeli Jews despise the state of Israel.

                • Erictheowl

                  Here’s one who despises you and all your ilk.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Top comment Eric!

              • Inverted Meniscus

                And yet you describe the murder of millions of innocent civilians by Stalin as necessary for progress or words to that effect. You socialist scum certainly do hypocrisy with nobs on.

              • Inverted Meniscus

                And yet you describe the murder of millions of innocent civilians by Stalin as necessary for progress or words to that effect. You socialist scum certainly do hypocrisy with nobs on.

            • ilPugliese

              Why would he interrogate the doctor? Have you really not seen anyone asking Hamas spokesmen about this on the TV recently?

          • Alexsandr

            dont speak too soon. Wiki says ISIS may have a nuclear capability. Great – a load of islamofascists with nukes.

          • Ron Todd

            I would predict that they would not be justified. Lefties would still find excuses. How about western Muslims having a word with Hamas or all the other groups that want to kill off all the Jews and Christians?

            • Alexsandr

              how can they? The Koran tells then to slay Jews, Christians, Apostates and gays.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            By “intemperate actions” you mean defending Israel from murderous Islamofascist terrorists who started all this by firing rockets at Israel. That would be your friends at Hamas wouldn’t it you idiot.

        • Daidragon

          Netanyahu is the Milosovic of the Middle East. The constant theft of land and resources to be given to European settlers is both illegal and immoral and the sooner someone give israel a good kicking the better.

          • Alexsandr

            Oh we have another jew-hating troll here, spouting the same old arguments. He clearly hasnt looked at what Hamas and their ISIS friends stand for and what they do. Not only to Jews but to Christians and other Muslims too.

            • ilPugliese

              Classic comment.

            • Inverted Meniscus

              Well he is a socialist after all.

            • Daidragon

              What’s any of this got to do with ISIS you nutter? Christians have killed more jews than every muslim country put together.

              • Inverted Meniscus

                Well they are probably friends of yours as well.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            By the phrase “good kicking” we can assume you mean ‘murdering Israeli citizens’. Typical of the ant-Semitic left.

            • Augustus

              And by ‘someone’ he definitely means his fellow Muslim brethren. Perhaps he’s a member of Islamic Jihad’s Al Quds Brigades.

            • Daidragon

              I mean giving the American Zionist IDF a good pasting like they got in Lebanon. They have to pay a price for their incessant, vicious war mongering in the region.

              • Erictheowl

                Oh here we go – the all-pupose socialist hate speech, so you would have to bring the Americans into it. Have you any idea how deeply tedious and sterile these hackneyed, frayed old whinges are, or do you just churn them out on autopilot every time a particular word or phrase triggers the reaction?

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Agreed. That would be the Americans who are trying to get Israel to just sit back and allow Hamas to fire rockets at them. Leftists just tie themselves in knots by screaming for an end to violence with one hand and encouraging violence with the other. Any opportunity to castigate the Americans even when the premise is ridiculous is also grabbed.

                • Daidragon

                  Without American born again fuckwits we would have had a Palestinian state by now. Two state solution. It’s the only way. America has blood on it’s hands. They are just arms dealers and zionist enablers.

              • Inverted Meniscus

                I think we know exactly what you meant you disgusting little man.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            I always enjoy the cant and hypocrisy of leftist scum like yourself. Decrying violence with one hand and then advocating violence with the other.

        • ilPugliese

          Why would anyone fire rockets at us?

      • Colonel Mustard

        telemachus…

        on holiday but his cell still operates…

        • Andy

          She is a silly b*tch. Bad as him.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Yes. The only debate is to determine which is the most ignorant leftist scumbag.

      • Andy

        If the Palestinians were so busy digging tunnels into another Sovereign State and firing missiles at that State they would now be being bombed. They committed acts of War. They cannot whine when they get War.

        • Alexsandr

          quite.

        • Daidragon

          If the zionists hadn’t stolen their land there wouldn’t be a conflict in the first place.

          • Alexsandr

            The arguments on whose land is whos is a sterile one. In the 18th century there were not many people there. Jews and arabs moved in from the late 19th century. Unpicking the tenures over many millenis is not possible. Pity the arabs didnt accept the UN solution before Israel was created then all the trouble would probably not have started.
            And remember there are 20% Arabs in Israel. The Jews were cleared out of Gaza in 2005 by the Israeli government.

            • Daidragon

              It’s not sterile, it’s what the conflict is about. Europeans turning up in Palestine after the war and driving out the legal landowners at gunpoint, stealing their homes, committing atrocities against them. It still goes on to this day. Russians and Americans have no moral or legal right to settle the West Bank or East Jerusalem.

              • Alexsandr

                i think you need to trawl through the league of nations and UN resolutions. Have you checked the Balfour Declaration, for instance. its not that simple as you make out.
                You also need to check out where the Palestinians came from – again not that simple, especially as much early 20th century census data is suspect.

              • Colonel Mustard

                Your comments are sterile. There were Jews in Palestine before the war, you doofus, the population of Jews had grown by 470,000.

                And in 1921 Winnie created Transjordan out of Palestine land for the Saud family.

                By 1949, the British had allotted 87,500 acres of the 187,500 acres of cultivable land to Arabs and only 4,250 acres to Jews. The Jews worked land that no-one wanted and bought land from Arabs who were willing to sell.

                80% of the Arabs in Palestine owned nothing. They were the working tenants of absentee Arab landlords in Egypt, Syria and Lebanon. By 1947, Jewish holdings in Palestine amounted to about 463,000 acres. Approximately 45,000 acres had been acquired from the Mandatory Government, 30,000 were bought from various churches and 387,500 were purchased from Arabs. Analyses of land purchases from 1880 to 1948 show that 73 percent of Jewish plots were purchased from large landowners, not poor Arab workers. Those who sold land included the mayors of Gaza, Jerusalem and Jaffa. As’ad el–Shuqeiri, a Muslim religious scholar and father of PLO chairman Ahmed Shuqeiri, took Jewish money for his land. Even King Abdullah leased land to the Jews. In fact, many leaders of the Arab nationalist movement, including members of the Muslim Supreme Council, sold land to Jews.

                Most of the pre-war Arab unrest in Palestine was imported from neighbouring Arab regimes or fomented by the British. Acquaint yourself with Fawzi al-Qawukji and Haj Amin el-Husseini, you doofus.

                It is the crass ignorance of Lieborgs like you that causes wars and bloodshed.

                • Daidragon

                  Spoken like a true racist zionist. Yes there were jews there before the war. A small minority. The influx of European zionists is what the conflict is about. Invaders and occupiers with no right to be there.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  The conflict before 1939 seems to have escaped your doofus brain. Maybe you should read up about that you communist moron.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Israelis were there 4,000 years ago lad long before the Palestinians.

            • Daidragon

              There were no Israelis before 1948. Just Jews. Who were a small minority in Palestine.

              • Inverted Meniscus

                Is that what your friends at Hamas reckon?

          • McRobbie

            How come its their land..its no ones land, just an arbirary allocation by some big wigs over time with whisky and a map. Who stole the jews “land” some centuries ago by driving them out?

          • Samir Halabi

            Jew-hating piece of trash!!! and what about the 1,000,000
            Jews made homeless stateless refugees overnight from their Arab-Homeland, in many instances they have lived in those lands for 2,600 years 1,200 years before the dawning of Islam. The land they owned in the Middle-East and North Africa was five times the size of the state of Israel today.

      • Alexsandr

        you are a racist anti jew and ignorant with it
        Hamas, the elected government of gaza, started this by firing rockets into Israel, in accordance with the hamas charter and the Koran.
        The gazans take some responsibility for electing a hamas government on the promise of riches in heaven, when any intelligent being knows there is no heaven, allah or god.

        Hamas put resources into attacking Israel, not protecting its citizens. because they care nothing for the lives of the gaza people.
        Hamas use human shields to get pictures of dead people on the TV news because they are waging a PR war. One that stupid people are taken in by. The sort of people who will attack Jews and their property.like they are in France
        Hamas could have stopped this weeks ago by stopping firing rockets but they chose not to. so ye sow, so shall ye reap.

        • Augustus

          This particular person suffers from psoriasis of the brain caused by the spread of a terrible socialist fungus that affects her ability to think straight. A self-opinionated idiot, even worse than a radical Islamist in a bin bag dress.

        • john watson

          ‘when any intelligent being knows there is no heaven, allah or god.’

          Does that include Israelis/ Zionists?

          If Hamas are indeed using people as shields, why are Israel continuing with the bombardment?

          ‘Hamas could have stopped this weeks ago by stopping firing rockets but they chose not to. so ye sow, so shall ye reap.’

          So you and the other 12 people who agree with you, advocate the slaughter of innocent men women and children?

          • Alexsandr

            As an Athiest I reckon all religion is bunk. and I am saddened and angered that people use their imaginary friends to justify violence and other vile acts
            As I have said in the speccie comments before if you had been keeping up, you would know that Israel was subjected to attacks from Hamas which by any definition were acts of war. Therefore their soldiers will need to seek out and destroy the enemy. Its what soldiers do in a war -always have done.
            Hamas could have ended all this weeks ago by stopping attacking Israel but they didn’t.
            Its in the Hamas charter that they want to destroy Israel in line with passages in the Koran. All that is easy to research on the Internet.

            Think on what would happen if Hamas fighters were to control any Israeli territory. Dont you think there would be wholesale persecution of the Jews. See what ISIS, Hamas’ friends, have done in Mosul to the Christians.

            • john watson

              Way I see it, Israel has been persecuting Palestinians for some time. Also, I note that you didn’t answer my question about human shields. You say that Hamas could have stopped this weeks ago, surely by the same token Israel (considering the death toll on the Palestinian side) could do the same?

              • Alexsandr

                i did answer your question about human shields. a soldier has to seek out and destroy the enemy. OK he can seek to keep civilian casualties to a minimum but that cant override his main objective.
                failure to destroy the enemy gives them the opportunity to regroup and destroy you.

                I think you will find that the IDF has taken quite a lot of care to reduce Gaza casualties. That Hamas hasn’t done the same for the Gaza people is an indictment of Hamas.

                • john watson

                  Oh so the fact that Israel have slaughtered innocents en masse isn’t their fault then, right you are. So you do in fact agree and condone the mass slaughter of innocents.

                • Alexsandr

                  repost because got modded

                  What about Dresden in WW2. Did the RAF/USAAF only kill Nazis?
                  No, it was a war and yes there were many civilian casualties.
                  As there were in the UK. (A whole branch of my family were killed in their house in Ilford in 1944 including a baby. bad but we were fighting a war) And the same in Nagasaki and Hiroshima
                  Its how wars work.
                  Yes war is {expletive deleted}. But if you start one, like Hamas did, then don’t bleat when you take casualties.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  I wouldn’t bother if I were you. He is using the “So you…” gambit that predicates your argument for you in order to render it morally repugnant before you have even replied. Highly selective too. I have never seen these pro-Hamas types get upset about the “mass slaughter of innocents” caused by suicide bombers, indiscriminate terror attacks or the 50 years of mass slaughter, persecution, torture and incarceration in North Korea.

                • ilPugliese

                  Dresden was hardly a display of the moral high ground. America, as we’ve come to realise, never had one and still doesn’t. Germany, we knew, had none either. In this instance, Britain declared war.

              • Inverted Meniscus

                Yes you idiot but Hamas would continue firing rockets even if Israel halted its operations. It was, after all, Hamas who started this in the first place by firing rockets at Israel. Do you get that, Hamas started this by firing rockets at Israel?

              • Augustus

                Some persecution when the Arab citizens of Israel Palestinian party is the 4th largest faction in the 17 party Israeli Knesset.

              • McRobbie

                So you expect the israel government to turn to their own people and say..its tough, but the rockets will have to keep on coming randomly and we will have to continue to be lucky everytime that they don’t hit a hospital, a school, a university but we want to prove we are more humanitarian than hamas…so you’ll have to accept your life is at risk permanently. How long do you think they would be in power..how would people in this country react if rockets were thrown at us and we were told just to hunker down and bite the bullet/bomb. Its shocking what is happening in gaza…..hamas could stop it today for ever by not provoking retaliation.

                • john watson

                  You know those dead men women and children?.. Well they weren’t firing rockets at Israel, they were innocent people like you and I. Innocent men women and children and they’re dead now thanks to Israel ‘defending’ itself.
                  If a few home made rockets were fired into UK, I doubt very much we’d attempt to wipe out an entire people. Did the UK Government propose wiping out all the Irish due to IRA attacks?
                  Please.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            No you idiot we object to the murderous terrorists of Hamas firing rockets at innocent people. What do you expect Israel to do? Sit back and watch the firework display you ignorant socialist cretin.

      • Augustus

        “the ire of the British people needs to be redirected to the State of Israel

        Yes, but which British people specifically? Because there are even some who think the military wing of the Colombian Communist Party, known as FARC, are doing great terrorist work in their neck of the woods, whilst being ‘funded by kidnapping, illegal mining, extortion and the production and distribution of illegal drugs’..

      • Inverted Meniscus

        You do not speak for the British people do you understand that you arrogant oaf. A few misguided, ignorant, loud mouthed idiots like yourself might blindly condemn Israel for defending itself but I suspect many of us recognise that Israel is fighting a vicious, murderous terrorist organisation in order to protect its citizens.

      • Bo Williams

        “They should remind the Israeli leadership that they are responsible, and they alone, for the plight of their co-religionists on the streets of Europe.”

        And if Cameron did say that in the very next paragraph should be something about offering his resignation as he had just shown himself up to the world to be a disgusting and despicable racist.

        • Patriccia Shaw

          Strange is it not that the rise in these crimes closely parallels the recent actions of the Israeli State.
          There is a plan for a 2 State solution that awaits a further positive action on the West Bank illegal settlements.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Well tell your terrorist friends to stop firing their missiles and Israel will doubtless be open to persuasion.

          • Colonel Mustard

            Oh dear, telemachus, yet another lie. Try this instead:-

            https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/euantisem2013.pdf

          • Alexsandr

            there was a 2 state solution proposed by the UN in 1948. guess what, the Arabs rejected it. instead they invaded the new Israel. Says it all really.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …so you’re threatening “co-religionists”, are you?

        What are you threatening them with?

        • Inverted Meniscus

          Socialist nuttery.

      • Samir Halabi

        Is that a threat? Because if is, this time the Jews won’t go down like sheep.

    • sarahsmith232

      Yes, you’re absolutely dead right. They’d merely have to live under the thumb of a more powerful oppressor that will always act to ensure that Arabs can never become the equal of Jews in the ME. Really, I mean, why on earth would that be so unattractive to these miserable ingrates?

  • statechaos

    Hear hear. It is sad to see civilians casualties in Gaza, but Hamas have a very effective propaganda machine, so instead of attending to these victims they make sure they manipulate the media in their favour. The Hamas Charter states that all Jews must be killed and that peace initiatives should not be entered into. Israel is fighting Hamas militants intent on destroying them, and trying to preserve its free and liberal society. Hamas has a repressive muslim regime where women are second-class citizens and where gay Palestinians have fled to live in the tolerant country of Israel. It is hypocritical of the left to support Hamas which is against everything they should stand for. The Palestinians need to rid themselves of Hamas whose hatred of Israel is greater than their love of their own people. Israel is right to defend it’s citizens against these attacks from Hamas.

    • Colonel Mustard

      The same tactic was used by the North Vietnamese who as blatant aggressors managed to depict themselves as victims through the tireless work of useful idiots and agents of soviet influence in the West. Works every time as malevolence harnesses stupidity to climb on top of the moral dung heap and crow.

      • Daidragon

        I think you get your history from the back of an american breakfast cereal box Colonel. The Vietnamese were throwing out the forces of colonialism and occupation. The French, Japs and Yanks were all enemies who had to be kicked out. Which they were. Tough bastards the Vietnamese.

        • Colonel Mustard

          I am not going to debate the origins of the war in Vietnam with a brainwashed and brain dead Labour doofus like you. Your second sentence demonstrates the extent of your ignorance.

          • Daidragon

            You’re a revisionist idiot. Should be called Professor plum instead of Colonel Mustard.

            • Colonel Mustard

              And you are still a brainwashed Labour doofus. No revisionism in the facts I study and that you choose to ignore because you believe in communism and apologise for its murders, like all the other Labour doofi.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          You’ve misread events in Vietnam. The French and the Yanks were not “kicked out”, they packed up and left, and it was the Allies who forced the Japanese to surrender there. In fact, after their surrender, those Japanese forces, under British command, helped drive the murderous commies back into the cesspit they’d crawled out of . You may want to have another look at this.

          • Daidragon

            ‘Packed up and left.’ Just like that. Hilarious. The French had their arses kicked at Dien Bien Phu and the yanks just lost the stomach for the fight and basically ran away. Despite being subject to all sorts of vicious bombing with conventional and chemical weapons, the peasants won.

            • the viceroy’s gin

              Actually, no, both the French and the yanks decided to withdraw, and were never defeated.

              • Daidragon

                Laughable. The french were defeated in the field. Yanks pulled out because they couldn’t win.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, sorry, but you just don’t have understanding of the history, lad.

            • Colonel Mustard

              Ah, the “peasants” won, eh? It never takes long before a Lieborg reveals the red flag waving, Red Square marching, secret police loving, soviet apologist communist within. Let me tell you, doofus, the soviet-equipped army that rolled into Saigon in April, 1975 were not “peasants” and to most people in that city they were every bit as foreign as the French and Americans.

              By then even the Viet Cong consisted of North Vietnamese sent south. It was a war of aggression and the North’s last offensive was launched 2 years after they signed the ceasefire in Paris and the last Amercan troops had left.

              Do you know how many real peasants the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong communists murdered? After their campaign of murder and intimidation to secure Hanoi for Ho’s communism they started in the South by murdering 400 civic officials in 1957. From 1967 communist fighters killed 25,000 civilians and abducted 46,000. Your “freedom fighters” murdered, tortured and buried alive 4,062 men, women and children in Hue in 1968 in an attempted ideological cleansing while agents of soviet influence (aka traitors) and useful red idiots like you pranced around on university campuses denouncing the USA.

              So, none of your pro-communist garbage you doofus. You should instead hang your silly head in shame for the lies you told then and still tell now.

              • Inverted Meniscus

                Socialist nutters like him don’t do shame Colonel. They just keep spreading propaganda. Remember, to a socialist the truth is defined as: “whatever happens to be coming out of my mouth at a specific moment in time regardless of any evidence to the contrary”.

              • Daidragon

                2 to 4 million civilians killed by indiscriminate use of cluster bombs, agent orange, napalm and every other piece of filth the CIA could come up with. Laos and Cambodia attacked. Thousands of children still killed every year by uxb, thousands more born with deformities because of chemical weapons attacks. America was a disagrace in Vietnam. Real nazis. God bless the people that defeated a superpower.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Your figures are way out and even the 3.1 million estimated by the Vietnamese government includes ALL combatants on ALL sides.

                  But none would have died had not your communist buddies decided on regime change in the south and invaded a sovereign country. Communists caused the war. None of your doofus lies will change that fact.

    • artemis in france

      Well said.

  • Ricky Strong

    Muslims have captured the victimhood status from the Jews, the left will accordingly bleat in whatever direction makes them feel good about themselves. Cameron will inevitably try and balance the interests of the relevant parties because he has no convictions of his own.

    • Alexsandr

      no. the early socialist ‘thinkers’, including marx, decided jews were bad. So now anyone who hates jews must be good. Even when they are as nasty as Hamas.

      • Chris Morriss

        Er… and what was Marx’s family religion?

        • Alexsandr

          this was documented n the tekegraph this week. I was wondering why the left hate jews and dont seem to have a problem with Islam which has tenets that go against lefty thinking.

        • Daidragon

          Wasting your time with these nutcases mate. You couldn’t make it up. A Jew decided the jews were bad. Alexsandr is one of the biggest idiots on the internet.

        • Damaris Tighe

          Marx’s family religion was protestant Christianity – they had converted. Karl Marx was baptised. Alexandr is correct – Marx wrote a hostile essay titled ‘The Jewish Problem’.

  • Dicky14

    I think we’ve crossed the Rubicon with this Prime Minister as to what’s right and wrong and moved into vote acquisition of the lowest order – with the calculation that it’s simply more worthwhile courting the anti-Israel vote. In Preston, Bradford and Tower Hamlets the Palestinian flag has replaced the Union Jack on their town halls and….nothing. A fine history of Judeo-Christianity destroyed in a couple of generations. The voting stats don’t add up – no PM can ever support Israel now.

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