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Britain’s anti-Semitic whiff of Weimar

18 August 2014

6:52 PM

18 August 2014

6:52 PM

There is a whiff of Weimar in the air in Britain. Barely a week now passes without some further denigration caused by anti-Semitic, sorry, pro-Palestine demonstrators targeting businesses run by Jews/stores selling products produced by the Jewish state. You know, like Sainsbury’s, Tesco, Marks and Spencer, Starbucks and so on. Most of this fairly random targeting of whatever business sounds a bit Jewish goes unnoticed. Sometimes protestors manage to get the business closed – as with the Ahava store in liberal, enlightened Brighton. Generally they just succeed in intimidating shoppers and making it easier for people to shop elsewhere in some non-Semitic store.

Sometimes the protestors, like this young man in Manchester, are open about their feelings and taunt any nearby Jews by telling them, for instance, how highly they think of Hitler (‘I love Hitler. I’m big on my boy Hitler’ says this nicely integrated young man):

But mainly they just try to persuade people that the Jews are in fact the Nazis, rather than the Nazis being the people who are, once again, trying to boycott Jewish businesses (including businesses which aren’t Jewish but are suspected of being, in some way sort of Jew-y).

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I know, I know, they’re meant to only be objecting to goods produced in the West Bank. But somehow it always ends up with being any product at all from Israel and then – surprise, surprise – any product made for or by Jews. Take just one recent case.

Here is the frontbench Labour MP Shabana Mahmood, the Labour party’s shadow exchequer secretary, speaking at a ‘Pro-Palestine’ rally the weekend before last. After the ‘Salaam alaikum’ intro (a greeting of peace, funnily enough) Ms Mahmood calls on the crowd to join the boycott movement. As a demonstration of her own commitment this nice young firebrand reported how she herself, only the previous weekend, had taken part in ‘direct action’ with a group of 200 ‘activists’ in the centre of Birmingham:

‘We lay down inside Sainsbury’s to say that we object to Sainsbury’s stocking goods from the illegal settlements and that they must stop. We managed to close down that store for five hours at peak time on a Saturday.’


Woo-hoo! Big it up for the Sainsbury’s protest massive. Against such a force the groceries never stood a chance.

Of course Ms Mahmood subsequently got overtaken by the zeal of her own mob. This weekend the targets of the protests included Tesco in Hodge Hill, Birmingham. There the ‘activists’ decided to go into the store just like the member for Birmingham Ladywood had done. But they took things a little further, got a bit carried away and started smashing stuff up. So far as I know products like Coca-Cola are not made in the West Bank or anywhere else in Israel, but it becomes so hard to tell once the mist descends. And isn’t America in Israel’s pocket or something like that? And so the mob in Birmingham threw around Coca-Cola crates, among much else, and assaulted a nearby police officer. As one eyewitness put it:

‘I was just in the Tesco in Hodge Hill, scanning my items and I heard chanting. Then a group of Asian men holding Palestinian flags came walking in and starting to push products over and getting aggressive with staff and shoppers. Police officers tried to stop them but I ran out.’

Mahmood has of course issued a mealy-mouthed, arse-covering statement about this. But she and these nice, politically engaged young men have been more successful than they could possibly have hoped. For yesterday it transpired that:

‘A central London branch of one of Britain’s biggest food stores, Sainsbury’s, has admitted emptying its kosher food shelf after the manager feared anti-Israeli protesters outside would attack it, the supermarket giant has said.

‘Meats, cheeses and sauces were removed from a Sainsbury’s Local branch in Holborn, central London, as it was picketed by demonstrators who were calling on the grocer to boycott Israeli goods.

‘The incident yesterday afternoon happened on the same day anti-Israeli activists ‘wreaked havoc’ at a Birmingham branch of Tesco when a demonstration got out of hand.

‘Actor Colin Appleby took a photo of the empty shelf, prompting uproar online as hundreds condemned the grocer for appearing to succumb to the demands of the protesters.

‘People also pointed out that many of the goods were not from Israel and instead came from nations including Britain and Poland.

‘Mr Appleby wrote that a staff member defended the decision by stating: ‘We support Free Gaza’.’

So there we are. Britain in 2014.

Of course this wouldn’t happen to any other foodstuff. If, say, some BNP types decided to go into a supermarket and smash up the Halal food section because it was made by or for Muslims then airwaves would be full of people objecting, Jews most prominent among them. But it looks like the UK Jewish leadership is starting to go quiet. One week it’s a theatre refusing to host a Jewish film festival. The next it’s a supermarket refusing to stock Jewish food. No wonder a majority of British Jews polled for this week’s Jewish Chronicle said they could not see any Jewish future in Britain.

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  • Stephanie

    Europe and the United Kingdom has been overrun with Muslims. Muslims will continue to overwhelm the places they inhabit with racism and hatred. Today, they target Jewish people. Turn a blind eye to anti-semitism and you are turning a blind eye to yourself. Jewish people are just the canary in the coalmine. It has been that way for centuries.

  • Stogumber

    Sarah,

    “The point you make about “being overtaken by the zeal of her own mob” is the salient point. We will all be “jews” when the hysteria reaches its zenith and who’ll be the voice of reason then?”

    There are different kinds of mobs; some loot your shop; some others destroy your business or take your job in a more sophisticated, more efficient way.

    Mr.Murray’s interventions may perhaps be partly pardonable owing to ethnocentrism (he’s curiously silent about his descent, and Jews have had a certain predilection for fake Scottish names).

    But the real problem is not so much Jewish ethnocentrism itself, but its radicalization and fanatization by universalist neoconservative ideology with its high moral tone and its black-and-white thinking. And just there’s the swamp from which modern mobs rise. We will all be “arabs” when the neo-conservative hysteria reaches its zenith and who’ll be the voice of reason then?

  • Marie Louise Noonan
    • http://www.zpub.com/notes/idle.html TNT

      What’s your point, Muslima? That a Jew who pretends to agree with you is a Jew that you like?

      The disinfection goes on. This is just lip service.

      • MissDemeanor

        everytime a muslim gives an example of a jew who bashes Israel or agrees with terrorists, you just have to say:

        every village has an idiot
        but your village is entirely made up of idiots

        – if jews were stupid, Israel and jews, would not exist anymore
        – and if muslims were clever, they wouldn’t live in cesspits, and slaughter one another, to our amusement

        done.

        • Marie Louise Noonan

          Who said Jews were stupid? I certainly didn’t.

      • Marie Louise Noonan

        I need to get myself some sock puppets too.

  • Jack Cowell

    I’m amazed so many morons read the Spectator. Here we go, as simply as I can put it, so you don’t sh*t yourselves again.

    You can criticise Israel without supporting Hamas.

    You can sympathise with Palestinians and wish them a better way out of their dire situation without being an anti-Semite.

    There is outrage at anti-Semitism in the UK, and there was a press reaction to the removal of kosher foods in Sainsburys, this article included. Pure sensationalism.

    I despair that it is so difficult for you people to get this without thinking the above translates as an affirmation of the Charter of Hamas.

    • Marie Louise Noonan

      ‘I’m amazed so many morons read the Spectator.’

      You should maybe look at how the internet works.

      • Jack Cowell

        Ooooo how very trite of you.

        Do you think that is a sensible comment? Before the internet, magazines were accessible to a great many people in shops. In fact, they still are! If I told you that the biggest subscribers to the Spectator were amongst the lowest 10% in terms of education in the country, you wouldn’t be surprised? Why does availability mean that people will read something. Do you read every publication on the internet every day, or just those that appeal to you the most?

        • Marie Louise Noonan

          Actually, the Spectator’s circulation was tiny.

          And you certainly wouldn’t have found profanity in its articles.

          ‘If I told you that the biggest subscribers to the Spectator were amongst the lowest 10% in terms of education in the country, you wouldn’t be surprised’

          No, I’d ask you for the source of that information.

          Now take a chill pill and lose the ‘tude.

          • Jack Cowell

            What has the size of the Spectator’s circulation got to do with anything? That is totally irrelevant. Yet another person so keen to drop tiny facets of information that they are so proud to know that they talk absolute meaningless sh*te.

            So you don’t have any pre-judgments on the audience of certain publications, TV shows, whatever, such that if you found out a certain type of people, stupid people, highly educated people, etc., watched or read it in huge numbers, you would not be surprised?

            Don’t tell me to chill, you’re little miss blanket skeptic; the intellectual masturbater of the internet.

            • mkey

              What a frantic little chap you are. Calm down, for God’s sake, you’ll give yourself indigestion.

              Okay so you don’t support Hamas. And you’re not an anti-semite. I get it.

              So answer this: how should Israel respond to a neo-Nazi Islamofascist organisation that defines itself by demanding its destruction (and the death of Jews everywhere!) and who rockets Israel, murders its citizens in any way it could, uses every resource at its disposal to pursue this campaign of terror and admits to using civilian shields in order to gain the support and outrage of Western useful idiots?

              Given your superior mind Jack, perhaps you van advise us?

              Thank you so much Jack.

              • Yes Palestine

                ‘how should Israel respond’

                with collective punishment just like its mentors the Nazis.

                • jjjj

                  You people have given the world nothing. Oh, except increase the sales of knives and orange jump suits. You sit all day and moan about the Jooos who have long overtaken you in the Contribution to the World stakes. How many Nobel prizes have you lot won? Where are the medicines, the technological advances, the music etc? What is your purpose, exactly?

                • Marie Louise Noonan
                • Big Mouth John

                  your pc has Israeli technology
                  as does your mobile phone
                  the tv programmes you watch and the music you listen to, all have at least a few technological components either invented, manufactured or both, in Israel
                  same with film and movies

                  thanks for the contribution to my and my partners companies!
                  we will make a donation in your name to the IDF, I’m in Israel next week for business and will do it then

                  oh an btw, don’t take any medicines – the chances that any given pharmaceutical has at some point had Israeli laboratories test it for global production, are rather high

                  stay away from food grown in the Middle East, Israelis invented a specific agricultural system for arrid countries, which every single Middle Eastern country (that doesn’t have famine) uses

                  apart from that don’t use contact lenses, don’t eat cherry tomatoes, and try to live off muslim inventions, like wiping your ar$e with your bare hand!

                • jjjj

                  Waycist!

                • Big Mouth John

                  hey, I’m a rich christian ZIONIST racist, Sir!

                • Marie Louise Noonan

                  You’re not behaving like any Christian I’ve ever met.

                • Marie Louise Noonan

                  ‘your pc has Israeli technology
                  as does your mobile phone’

                  But I’m not boycotting Israel.

                  Where did I say I was?

                  The link I provided contains an essay about Judaism and its respect for the inherent value of human life. I was under the impression that you were measuring human life in terms of its economic productivity. Was I mistaken?

                • Big Mouth John

                  i did not click on your link
                  i will not click on any of your links

                  it’s good that you don’t boycott Israel, your life would be pretty sh!!!y if you did

                  the value for human life, jews show in their protection of one another, unlike muslims who slaughter one another

                  it is Islam that has no value for human life
                  it is Islam that can not live in peace with anybody, no religion, not even their own, not even amongst themselves, in their own countries, wherever there is Islam, there is war and there is death

                • Marie Louise Noonan

                  That’s up to you.

                  You claim to be a Christian. Why aren’t you out there converting them?

                  You are also British*. What are you doing to protect and serve your own compatriots?

                  *Ditto if American.

                • mkey

                  Ah, another Madrassah graduate. You can tell by the sophistication of the reply.

                  Tell me YP, are your parents first cousins? And your grandparents?

                  Figures.

                • Big Mouth John

                  i already said her parents are cousins!

                  is it that evident?
                  poor thing

                • MissDemeanor

                  actually muslims are the new nazis and nobody else

                  and btw, wtf is ‘Palestine’???

                • jjjj

                  Wot, not calling Jews ‘Shlomo’ anymore?

              • Jack Cowell

                Glad you get it; reading my OP and the comments that followed, you’ll see that many don’t, mostly people who are very eager to ‘strut their stuff’ as it were.

                Again, never suggested that I have an answer. All I said was that it is not necessarily anti-Semitic to criticise Israeli military policy or to show solidarity with the Palestinian people.

                I also suggested that the author was being sensationalist by claiming that society doesnt care when thugs cause kosher food to be taken off the shelf, but it would care if it was halal food. That is nonesense.

                You have taken these points to be a criticism of the way Israel deals with Hamas, and an implicit claim that I know the answer. Why? Why can’t you just accept that my points are limited to what I say?

                Also the whole, “calm down, I’m above this, my calmness means that my argument is rational” bullshit demenur is tiresome. I’m perfectly calm. Not hammering the keyboard; the vehemence of my words and the inclusion of punctuation marks doesn’t mean I’m having a stroke. Moron.

                • mkey

                  Fair enough Jack, I get you and sorry for my patronising tone. Like you, I also don’t have a satisfactory answer as to how to deal with Hamas. In fact, nobody who believes in the Judaeo Christian ideals of civilised behaviour and tolerance does. And this question is going to become more and more pertinent. When the Jihadi lunatics start to decapitate people en masse in London and Birmingham you too, reluctantly, will be drawn into this web of evil. And you may find us on the same side.

                  But the re-emergence of crude anti-semitism has shocked us (UK Jews, that is) to the core. I was discussing with a (non-Jewish) very close friend the other day the novels of Kafka and relating how these days one feels – as a Jew – rather like the insect Gregor. You feel you are somehow removed from the world, consigned to a place where you simply cannot assert your humanity. I know we have a tendency to exaggerate this threat but surely you can understand why: our 2000 year post-exilic diaspora experience provides a pretty persuasive template.

                  And this is why Israel is so existentially critical.

                  You see, in Israel we have drawn the line: we have stated unequivocally that we have the right to live as free human beings and being randomly bombed, abducted and murdered by a bunch of Islamist terrorists is not acceptable. Therefore we fight it, with every fibre of our being and with every weapon at our disposal. We try and do this as ethically as possible (do have a look at Col. Richard Kemp on the subject, please) but sometimes this is simply not possible. And if, as you graciously admit, you do not know what you would do, or indeed what we should do, perhaps you should be a little less critical and a little more supportive. Critically supportive, of course, but essentially recognise that we are on the same side, because we are. You know, in my view we deserve the support of all decent people, and you seem to me (in spite of your temper, which you should try and deal with, as I should have at your age) a decent person. You want proof: look at our enemy. Critically.

                  Go to Israel. Speak to the people, Jewish and Gentile. Find out what is happening. Then make your call.

                  I wish you luck. And in the meantime be assured that we will defend ourselves as we see fit.

            • Marie Louise Noonan

              Jack Cowell: ‘What has the size of the Spectator’s circulation got to do with anything?’

              Size is actually quite important.

              I don’t know what you’ve been told.

              • jjjj

                I’m beginning to giggle at your comments.

                • Big Mouth John

                  i think she’s a muslim spinster

                  can you imagine??

                • jjjj

                  The name suggests otherwise, though. I think she’s a well meaning Leftie person who has utterly lost their way.

                • Big Mouth John

                  traitors and useful idiots are the worst

                  i despise them even more than the killers they defend!

                • Marie Louise Noonan

                  How am I a traitor? I already said that I come from a military family and respect the armed forces. And I’m on record denouncing the Real IRA. One has to choose one’s battles.

                • Marie Louise Noonan

                  I am about as left wing as Ayn Rand.

                • Marie Louise Noonan

                  “I utterly object to your ad hominem attacks on me.’

                  The left-right paradigm means nothing to me.

            • jjjj

              This is funny! Mind you, she is so inept she deserves it.

              • Marie Louise Noonan

                Charming. I’d challenge you to a duel but you’d probably bring a machine gun.

                • jjjj

                  If I did, would you go all Mae West on me?

    • jjjj

      Jack, throwing sh*t on your fellow debaters isn’t the best way to win friends and influence people i.e. calling them morons.

      So now let’s see what you did in your comment: You willfully misrepresent the situation by accusing people of equating ANY criticism of Israel as antisemitism. Yawn. This is the usual tactic of ‘you people’ when you don’t get what you want. No one is saying or writing that and those that think the above, I chose my words carefully, are wrong.

      There is insufficient outrage in the Muslim community at anti-semitism. The Liberal Democrats tolerate the antisemitic Jenny Tonge. ‘Nuff said. The removal of kosher foods in Sainsbury’s was, perhaps, blown out of proportion. But the BDS movement behaved disgracefully in the Tesco incident.

      I accept that you don’t support Hamas.

    • MissDemeanor

      i’m amazed you don’t realise that you’re the moron

      oh well

  • MikeF

    Lengthy pseudo-analytical but ultimately vacuous piece from here from the BBC about ‘whether’ there is a rise in anti-semitic incidents in Europe. Note how the murders in the Jewish Museum in Brussels were committed simply by ‘a man’ rathe than by…well I think we all we know what sort of man it was:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28853221

    • Matt E

      I think it is criminal that the elites allowed Muslims to immigrate to Europe is mass. Physically, it puts most notably the Jewish community (and gays) at risk. But also the domestic Christian population is at physical risk every time they interact with the Muhammedan savages.

      • Barzini

        ‘the elites’

        Care to bit a more specific as to who was behind the changing of the immigration laws in all white countries?

        thought not…..

        • http://batman-news.com Ttind

          ‘The elites’ are comprehensively covered by Alex Jones and David Icke, they have no ethnic base whatsoever in fact they may not even be human, they live in a trans-dimensional realm inaccessible to normal consciousness until you purchase the mind awakening Patriot Warrior of the Galaxy health supplements which comes with a years supply of tinned food and a shortwave radio. So hunker down guys and pray to the universal mind to spare you from the coming Armageddon. After that we can start again with a constitutional government and real equality and democracy.That is why Matt E was not able to be specific.

  • ybrandstetter

    Are there any decent Britons outside the pages of the Spectator and the Telegraph?

    • Marie Louise Noonan

      I would imagine that members of the armed forced don’t get much of an an opportunity to read either. And I would say our taxpayers are pretty decent too given that one of the biggest recipients of foreign aid is…

      • ybrandstetter

        Tax-payers: at this time both the US and UK do not cover their own government expenses using their tax income but via loans. Everything the tax payers send in goes to social expenses. I am not aware of Israel getting anything from britain. as for the US, the foreign aid to Israel is strictly military, a comma onto the US defense budget, and is mainly a political tool to make Israel seem a client state. As for decency, I merely copared the antisemitic diatribes and screeds on the independent and Guardian websites with the Spectator

        • Marie Louise Noonan

          ‘As for decency, I merely copared the antisemitic diatribes and screeds on the independent and Guardian websites with the Spectator.’

          But that isn’t what you said.

          You said the following: ‘Are there any decent Britons outside the pages of the Spectator and the Telegraph?’

          Nary a word about the Independent and the Guardian.

          • ybrandstetter

            Give me space for an Op-ed and I shall be more specific and expansive. The Spectator and Telegraph seem to buck the general trend of anti-Jewish vitriol permeating the rest of the British press.

    • Matt E

      Nope. Britain is pretty much a goner.

      • Marie Louise Noonan

        Where do you live? Maybe we can meet up and discuss this?

        • jjjj

          Do you look like your avatar? Cor…

          • MissDemeanor

            that’s why they wear full veils, so they don’t scare our children!

            • jjjj

              Scarier than Darth Vader!

            • Marie Louise Noonan

              Charming.

  • David

    The anti-Israel protesters are a bunch of idiots anyway. How many of them could even name the Palestinian Prime Minister or even point to Gaza on a map? They are usually so uninformed as you can tell when they get interviewed. I have had enough of the masochistic attitude of people in this country who tell us Islamic violence is a result of the West/Israel resisting it.

    • Matt E

      The more informed they are, the worse they tend to me. Muslims are by and large Nazis in intent. Allowing them to immigrate to the West in mass is criminal.

  • Binding&Hoche

    Maybe these protestor had said it had been tampered with or contaminated, and the store manager was just staying on the safe side ? Photo was taken by an actor, not a journalist, so who could say? …is it back on sale now?

    • jjjj

      What about the swastika painted on the Jewish charity in North London and the brick thrown through the window of the Synagogue?

    • MissDemeanor

      i think this is one of the dumbest comments I have ever read anywhere on any subject

    • Eurocentric

      Oh my, run out of IQ pills?

      • Marie Louise Noonan

        ‘Oh my, run out of IQ pills?’

        Then get your doctor to prescribe some more.

  • Matt E

    Here is a collection of essays on why Britain is dead. Very persuasive. Very sad. Very true.
    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/007708.html

    • Marie Louise Noonan

      Beginning with ‘When Y’all Gonna Wake Up’ or some such nonsense. Parody?

  • Guest

    Check out the site (no hyperlink here) amnation.com/vfr/archives/007708.html . Collection of essays on how Britain is dead. Very persuasive. Very sad. Very true.

    • Marie Louise Noonan

      Good grief, you really are unleashing the big guns: blog entries, I can’t bear it. I think I shall take refuge in real literature, you know, something from the ‘Western canon’ . Nary a blog entry in sight. Thank God.

  • Donafugata

    As I was coming out of Sainsbury’s on Saturday, parked by the exit was a small man of middle-eastern appearance dressed in a Superman outfit.
    As I left the shop he rattled a collecting tin at me, “would you like to make a contribution to Gaza?” he asked.

    ” Gaza, certainly not” I replied.
    He seemed rather taken aback by this and then informed me that it was a humanitarian cause.

    “How do you know that, it is probably going to the Hamas rocket fund” I said.
    “Anyway, if the people of Gaza don’t like what’s happening to them they shouldn’t vote for terrorists”.

    I cannot describe the sense of satisfaction this encounter gave me, I hope he’s there next Saturday.

    And what are Sainsbury doing by allowing this charlatan to collect inside the store?

    • Yes Palestine

      bet your day was complete when later you saw some slaughtered Gazan children on your TV!

      • Matt E

        Muslims are Nazis in intent. Everywhere around the globe they try to slaughter children. When they use their own children as human shields to protect their rockets – how sick can a people be! – you don’t get sympathy points, Muhammed.

        Islam is a totalitarian, pagan, supremacist cult masquerading as a religion. As Churchill and Gladstone understood, it is an evil ideology.

        • Marie Louise Noonan

          Please stop using only the Nazis as a tool to define the modern world. we are a complex species. Stop reducing us to that.

          • Matt E

            They want to murder every last Jew. Is that better? Not only that, after they’re done with the Jews, they want to deal with the Christians and everyone else. Better. Good.

            • Marie Louise Noonan

              I’m asking you to use other historical references. At least to show that you know some.

              • jjjj

                Are you his teacher? All your posts here are just carping and inane questions.

                • Marie Louise Noonan

                  Not familiar with the Socratic Tradition then?

              • Eurocentric

                Neanderthals will do well enough

          • Big Mouth John

            muslims = nazis

        • Yes Palestine

          nice to see a Jew describing non-Jews as ‘shields’ rather then human beings. It’s ok – we all understand!

          • Matt E

            They are called ‘shields’ because you Muhammedans use them to protect and ‘shield’ your rockets. Islam is sick and evil.

            • Yes Palestine

              They’re not called ‘human beings’ because they aren’t Jews.

              • Big Mouth John

                if you want to be treated like a human being, you muslims should start acting like human beings!

                • Yes Palestine

                  ok Shlomo.

                • jjjj

                  Finished wanking to the Mufti’s poster? Like you lot do in the hummus in the Middle Eastern restaurants.

                • Big Mouth John

                  ok Abdul

                  1.6 billion Muslims, nearly 30% of the world’s population, who have contributed a big fat zero to humanity

                  20 Mio jews, 0.2% of the world, leaders and revolutionists in all fields of science and humanity

                  it feels effin’ brilliant not to be a muslim

                • Yes Palestine

                  didn’t the Nazis have similar ideas of racial supremacy? Nice to see you’ve learnt so much from your mentors!

                • Big Mouth John

                  nazis were spreading propaganda

                  I’m listing facts Abdul

                  you just don;t like them cause you know they are true

                • Yes Palestine

                  yeah…

                • Big Mouth John

                  that’s right

                  1.6 billion losers who give the world nothing but trouble

                  can;t live in peace with sikhs
                  can;t live in peace with buddhists
                  can’t live in peace with hindus
                  can’t live in peace with jews
                  can;t live in peace with christians
                  can’t even live in bloody peace with each otehr

                  cancerous filth!

                • bobmattfran

                  You get quite emotional when you go on one of your racialist trips. i would seek medical help before you have a heart attack.

                • bobmattfran

                  From your posts I doubt you qualify to make the lower order of animals!

          • Big Mouth John

            we call them as you use them

      • MissDemeanor

        i bet your day was complete when you saw a 8 year old holding up a human head he had just decapitated

        yeah, THOSE ARE YOUR PEOPLE

        pride, huh?

      • Donafugata

        No Palestine.

      • MissDemeanor

        wtf is Palestine???

        never heard of it!

    • Marie Louise Noonan

      That was remarkably brave of you. I have relatives in the armed forces and their bravery in no way approaches yours.

      How old was the kid? 6.

      • MissDemeanor

        how old was the kid holding up the head of a decapitated man while grinning into a camera? (with his father beaming proudly that he carried on the family tradition)

        8 ?

        • Marie Louise Noonan

          Non-sequitor alert.

          • MissDemeanor

            garbage bag alert

            • Marie Louise Noonan

              You have no idea what I just said, do you?

              Actually, I suspect you are a bot.

              • MissDemeanor

                i know what you said, and you mis-spelled it, you cretin

                so stop pretending to be clever, put on that garbage bag and go serve a man

                • Marie Louise Noonan

                  MissDemeanor: ‘i know what you said, i took latin in school, and you mis-spelled it, you cretinous muslima’

                  Actually, I am an agnostic. But I am also a cradle Catholic. And yes, according to your *apparent* worldview, I was probably responsible for The Inquisition even though I was not even on the planet at the time. I once thought that this would be a pretty sound alibi but, in these strange times it probably isn’t.

                  Tell you what, just for you, Little Miss Sunshine, I shall turn myself into the nearest police station. Thank you for helping me to see the light.

                  Mea Culpa. Mea Maxima Culpa.

    • Big Mouth John

      good for you!!

      on Gloucester Road in South Ken, I passed an Oxfam today, that displayed a big sign in the window ‘Gaza crisis appeal’.
      I stuck my head inside and loudly said ‘what’s the Gaza crisis appeal? the terrorists have run out of rockets’??

      inside were 4 people: 2 shoppers and 2 saleswomen, they all just stared at me open mouthed

      felt good indeed

      • jjjj

        Yes, they were shocked at the fact that someone dares to try and overturn their cosy consensus that the Jews should always be victims and will always go meekly to their deaths.

        • Yes Palestine

          get the violins out, here comes the whinging again.

      • Yes Palestine

        ‘ they all just stared at me open mouthed’

        you shouldn’t have worn your p*ss stained pants and slippers then if you didn’t want to be ‘noticed’.

        • Big Mouth John

          yawn

          muslims are not good at comedy
          they’re really brilliant at beheading each other though

          zionists are world famous comedians, another thing they’re better than muslims at

          • Yes Palestine

            duh, not very good at

            sentences and paragraphs den?

            • Big Mouth John

              i’m not even jewish!

              I have been working in computer technology with Israel for nearly 20 years, I think they are a very admirable people.

              -Israelis are smart – if they weren’t, Israel wouldn’t exist anymore

              -Palestinians are morons – if they weren’t, they wouldn’t have spent the last 70 years wallowing in their own squalor, doing the same thing over and over and over again, expecting a different result (the definiton of insanity)

              – Israelis/Jews protect each otehr
              -Muslims behead, slaughter, rape, kill, maim, gas and eat each other

              -Jews have survived unbelievable odds and still have always managed to punch way above their weight in practically every field
              -Muslims have achieved nothing, and would still ride camels, had they not discovered oil – they still wipe their ar$es with their bare hands

              -Jews have evolved
              -Muslims have evolved into cockroaches, those also travel in hoards and eventually kill and eat one another

              -Jews create and build
              -Muslims burn and destroy

              enough paragraphs for you Abdul?

              • Yes Palestine

                paragraphs consist of more than a single sentence Shlomo.

                • Big Mouth John

                  i know your lot like to deflect, like you are doing now with semantics, that frankly nobody gives a rat’s behind about, because you have nothing to say, at least nothing of any value or depth

                  it’s okay, we’re used to it

                • Mike

                  Pity for you they’re inconvenient truths !

              • bobmattfran

                The only reason they exist and get away with murder is because of the USA that is controlled by AIPAC, but never mind if you think thay are so wonderful why don’t you go and help your murderous Zionist friends to bom a few more Hospital in Gaza, or are you like most Zionists full of it, and have neither physical or moral courage?

          • Marie Louise Noonan

            ‘muslims are not good at comedy’

            You must be a Muslim then. Don’t give up the day job.

      • bobmattfran

        Prat!

    • Eurocentric

      Qatar has big stakes in Qatar and more and more of British businesses. The more you buy there, the more money going to fund terror.

    • bobmattfran

      A typical arrogant Zionist who obviously enjoys the murder of women and children, you should be deeply ashamed.

  • The Masked Marvel

    Most BBC and Guardian staff agree with the young man in your video, Douglas. Deal with it.

  • Jack Cowell

    What an absolute disgrace this kind of talk is. To dismiss all pro-Palestinian sentiment and positive action against the Israeli state as anti-Semitic (“by anti-Semitic, sorry, pro-Palestinian demonstrators”) is to belittle genuine anti-Semitism and to equate all Jews with Israel. To obscure anti-Semitism in this wantonly careless way makes it harder for us to do what needs to be done; nipping anti-Semitism in the bud in this country, now, today.

    I’m sure the author would agree with me that Black militants attacking a shop because it has owners with Afrikaner heritage is a racist attack. If they boycott it, still yes obviously. What if the group identified itself as part of the South African apartheid boycott movement, trying to end that appalling regime? Yes, it would still be a racist, stupid endevour. Yet to follow this author’s logic, this group would have made the entire movement, every protest, every word of criticism, an act of Black supremacist racism. I’m not sure how the actions of one idiot 200 miles away can in one stroke make me a racist for protesting the financial support of a state that I see as oppressive.

    I am disgusted at the news that kosher food has been taken off the shelves of a supermarket due to intimidation from thugs. But the author uses this as a cheap rhetorical trick to make it seem like society accepts this form of anti-Semitism.

    “Of course this wouldn’t happen to any other foodstuff.” Well I am pleased. It turns out, there are no anti-Muslim attacks or similar occurances in Britain.

    “…then airwaves would be full of people objecting”, quite rightly, just as they are over this removal of kosher food. Here are some examples, seeing as he obviously purposefully ignored the news: http://bit.ly/1w16P6N ; http://ind.pn/1t9X1DW ; http://bit.ly/1pdPq6j ; and that is not to check the local press, radio and private news wesbites, that have a much freer tongue.

    Stop equating the actions of Palestinian sympathisers with the actions of racist idiots, just because they tell you their justifications are the same. The BNP tell people that they are protecting British values, but we laugh at them. Why do you accept that the whole Palestinian freedom movement is committed to such thuggery? Is it because it criticises Israel? Is it because it is very ‘de rigueur’ for a writer to be critical of the free Palestine movement just now? Whatever your reason, it is not driven by logic.

    • Matt E

      You are a typical Brit with no moral compass. What is the goal of the Palestinian people in Gaza in regards to Israel? It can’t be a territorial dispute given that Israel left Gaza and made it 100% Judenrein in 2005. It can’t be to end a blockade because the blockade only started after Hamas started firing rockets into Israel. What is the goal of sending rockets indiscriminately into Israel with the intent to murder and maim as many Jewish non-combatents as possible? What is the goal of having tunnels that lead to Israeli kindergartens and hospitals? Oh yeah, it’s to murder as many Jews as possible.

      That you could possibly think that this deserves sympathy shows your moral sickness. It is typical of a country, Britain, that has lost its soul.

      • Jack Cowell

        You are a typical moron, equating my logical argument, about the validity of arguments even when they are appropriated by racists, with support for the actions of Hamas. I think Hamas are vile and their tactics worse. Did you only read the first line of my comment?

        Israel left Gaza? How gracious of it to leave the territory that it
        filled with the people it displaced as a result of its expansionary, invasive policies.

        Gaza was blockaded only after the murderous and anti-Semitic military wing of Hamas began firing rockets at civilians in Israel, true. Gaza only exists because of an explicit policy of land theft on the part of Israel. Once ‘granted’ existence by the UN after WW2, Israel immediately set about seizing more land, culminating in the ghetto of Gaza that we see today.

        • Marie Louise Noonan

          He’s a Moronican!

        • Matt E

          Israel’s expansionary, invasive policies? In 1948 and 1967 the Arabs wanted to murder every last Jew and declared genocidal war on the Jews. Israel won those wars. There was never a sovereign state of Gaza. They have no right to that territory. That Israel doesn’t kick every one of those murderers out is ridiculous. But glad to hear that you are okay with Gaza being a 100% Judenrein territory?

          Israel was not ‘granted’ existence by the UN. The UN was merely recognizing the facts on the ground. Again, in 1948, Israel accepted partition. The Arabs did not and sought to murder the Jews. Israel won. Expansive policies, ha! You literally can define the moral bankruptcy and historical illiteracy of the dying British country

          • Jack Cowell

            I’m OK with that am I? Typical moron, running on supposition. It’s almost as funny as your assumption that I’m British? Laughable use of ‘logic’.

            Historical illiteracy? You buffoon, I’ve studied the history and anthropology of that region for years. The facts on the ground were much more complicated than you suggest. The aliyah was a long process, stretching across hundreds of years, but the Zionist aliyah had with it an explicit policy of indigenous Arab displacement. At this point the main problem that people had with Jews arriving in Christian/Muslim Palestine was the sheer numbers, illustrated by the relative peace that resulted form the 1939 British immigration restriction. These people saw their homeland being invaded. In the first three years after statehood was granted, and granted it was, the Jewish population of Israel doubled. The exclusionary practices of early settlers, their forceful tactics for getting Palestinians to leave their homes, all amounts to expansionist policy. I can recommend some good books to you if you care to educate yourself on historical facts.

            And yet, all of that is aside and apart from my original argument, which you so gravely failed to understand. Let us return to it. People sympathise with Palestine’s situation. I attended a rally that expressed solidarity with a people driven into the arms of terrorists because they feel they are being driven from their land. The author suggests that this is anti-Semitic of me, and I contend that that is illogical. You prove my point by talking about tunnels and rockets; as if I am some sort of Hamas supporter!

            Where are you from? I’m sure you are not typical of the population, you can’t all be so arrogant and pompous, using the internet as some kind of intellectual wank-sock.

            • Matt E

              “I attended a rally that expressed solidarity with a people driven into
              the arms of terrorists because they feel they are being driven from
              their land.”

              1) Israel made Gaza 100% Judenrein in 2005, despite having every right to control the land and determine its inhabitants. So quit talking about some kind of territorial dispute in Gaza

              2) If the people of Gaza were deserving of any empathy, they would speak out against their elected government firing rockets with the intent to murder and maim as many Jewish civilians as possible. They do not.

              You fools think that these Gazans deserve some kind of attention and protection because they are like your pets. The worse they behave, the more sympathy you have for them. Your sympathy is misplaced. These Gazan Muslims are just as much monsters as most other Muslims. Their government does not come out of thin air. It really is a reflection of their barbarity. The only reason why you care about them is because they are fighting against the Jews

              As to your history – the Jews have always lived in the land of Israel. Always. They are the only people that ever had a sovereign state in the land. The Muslims/Arabs never had a state in Palestine. Read Twain: It was barren in 1900. Quit acting as if the Arabs are native to the land. Quite the reverse. The Jews are native to the land and the Arabs who lived – who came from other parts of the Ottomon Empire – there took territory by sword.

              But the Arabs could have had most of the land in Israel in 1948. But they rejected partition and instead they chose war. Well, they lost. Get over it. And to think that in 1939 – when world Jewry could have been saved – you are bragging about Britain’s immigration restriction on what Jewish land – you are a sick person. The Brits trained the Arabs for their genocidal war against Israel in 1948. Sick.

              Lastly, you have a very selective history. Arab countries actually expelled all of their Jews throughout the Middle East. Jews who had lived in these places for hundreds of years – kicked out with their money and possessions stolen. Don’t they have any rights?

              The conflict in the Middle East comes down to the Arabs/Muslims not being able to handle Jewish sovereignty anywhere. That you would side with these barbarians in any fashion shows your barbarism.

              • Jack Cowell

                Where are you from Matt? Don’t worry, I will reply when I get a proper chance, but I’d like to know this.

            • Steve

              Is it OK for me to start shooting at my dark skinned neighbours and calling for their total eradication from this soil if I feel like my ‘homeland is being invaded’?

              • Jack Cowell

                Obviously not. Is that an apt analogy? Does that completely surmise the historical reality of Palestinians living in Gaza? Why have you made it about skin colour? On what basis do you feel that your homeland is being invaded?

                • Matt E

                  They speak of Jews as if they are vermin. Do you not listen to their constant threats to destroy the Jews? The charter of the governing entity of Gaza is committed to the destruction of the Jewish state and to the murder of world Jewry. They insist that they can only live in a territory if it is ethnically cleansed of Jews (is this okay with you). Jews are not able to own territory in most all Arab/Muslim countries. They have no rights in any of these countries. Jews were systematically thrown out of most every Arab/Muslim land.

                  But even if your history was accurate, which it is not, what exactly is Gaza fighting for? It can’t be for territory. There are no Jews in Gaza. It can’t be to stop a blockade. The blockade was a response to the rocket fire into Israel. They are fighting to murder as many Jews as possible.

                • Jack Cowell

                  I will reply properly to you when I get a chance to write, and when I’ve consulted sources that I have at home. Until then, where are you from?

                • Jack Cowell

                  Where are you from? I will reply when i get the chance, but until then, please indulge me. You assigned me a nationality then attacked my grasp of history, as well as that country in general, so please tell me the location of your historical Ivory Tower.

                • Matt E

                  Stop asking me where I am from. I’m not your friend. You can figure it out, Jack-O.

                • Jack Cowell

                  I know you’re not. I know where Mussolini was from, does that make us friends? It is a perfectly relevant question, given how concerned you are with my nationality and my particular brand of history.

                • Matt E

                  You can read plenty of my comments and figure it out. Your nationality is important to me because I am convinced that Britain is dead. And unfortunately, I see my country headed in Britain’s direction and it scares me. See Lawrence Auster’s collection of essays on ‘Britain is Dead.’ Very telling. Very true.

                • Jack Cowell

                  Why wont you just tell me? Why do you think I’m British?

                • Jack Cowell

                  Why do you assume that I am British? And who are you, Batman or something? Just tell me where you’re from. You cannot assume so much importance as to think that you have reason to guard that information.

                  I’ve read Auster, and I’m not sure I want to take my world views from a paranoid, homophobic episcopalian. Even if he did speak some sense about the way immigration is discussed.

                • Jack Cowell

                  Anyway, you have completely hijacked my argument: Is it anti-Semitic to protest the actions of Israel in Gaza, simpliciter? This author suggests that it is, largely based on the actions of individual protesters. My contention was that this is an absurd position to take.

                  What, in a logically presented argument, is your problem with that position?

                • Matt E

                  My position is that you have to be brain dead or a Jew hater to not believe that Israel does not have every right to do whatever it takes to prevent rocket attacks on its citizens. No country would or should allow their citizens to come under rocket fire. In a morally sane world, Israel would push a button and destroy Gaza – because Gaza has declared war on Israel and no Israelis should have to live with daily rocket threats. So you’re either a Jew hater or simply brain dead. And the history here doesn’t matter either.

                  As for the protestors – most of them want to throw the Jews in the sea. Certainly a majority. So I’m not following you there.

                  But yes, the goal of the Gazans is to murder as many Jews as possible. I would say that most people who support Gaza in any way or who oppose Israel’s measures to stop the attacks are Jew haters. Yes.

                • Yes Palestine

                  ‘Israel ….. have every right to do whatever it takes to prevent rocket attacks on its citizens.’

                  whatever? It’s ok, I know you don’t believe non-Jews to be human beings so even the slaughter of every woman and child in Gaza would be justified if Israel deemed it necessary.

                • Matt E

                  It’s the Muslims who don’t value human life. They don’t value their own – they use their children to protect their rockets. And they don’t value Jewish life – hence they fire rockets indiscriminately into Israel to try to murder and maim as many Jews as possible. Nice try though, Muhammed.

                • Yes Palestine

                  thanks Shlomo but you may not have noticed the hundreds of non-Jews slaughtered by the IDF.

                • Matt E

                  You Muslims are incredible. You declare genocidal war on the Jews and then you have the gall to complain when they respond. Israel is a healthy country – it isn’t going to take cr*p from the Muhammedans. Quit using your children as human shields, Muhammed. And quit murdering Christian Yazidis in Iraq.

                • Marie Louise Noonan

                  Why do you insist on judging people as a collective? You deny the complexity of the individual whether you judge them positively or negatively.

                • Yes Palestine

                  Shlomo, I applaud your standard hasbara which is to confront the evidence of Israeli genocide with talk of whataboutery. Israel’s a colony, try thinking about what’s happened to all those ‘healthy’ colonies since 1945.

                  That’s right – they’ve been wiped from the pages of time. And your right about Israel taking no cr*p, my own uncles were targeted by Irgun and Stern after they as British soldiers had help defeat Hitler.

                  So yes, we’re not going to take any lessons from the backstabbers of the rogue state.

                • jjjj

                  Are you the sc*m n*zi from Guido Fawkes website who calls all Jews ‘Shlomo’? You pos will get yours yet.

                • Yes Palestine

                  I don’t know, are you?

                • Big Mouth John

                  just call this one Abdul!

                  hey Abdul, you know how many Shlomo’s hold nobel prizes?
                  you know how many Abduls hold nobel prizes?

                • Yes Palestine

                  well you just wrote ‘most muslims are returded’.

                  not the shiniest knife in the box are you?

                • Big Mouth John

                  LOOOL

                  actually that was on purpose

                  it’s a nice mix up between 2 words that describe you perfectly

                  seems like you’re not the sharpest knife in the box, parents cousins, ey?

                • MissDemeanor

                  hahaha nice one

                • Yes Palestine

                  yeah, course it was… we believe you…

                • jjjj

                  You debate like a child. I have pity for you.

                • Big Mouth John

                  most muslims are returded

                  their parents are cousins so they have the highest concentration of geneticaly mutated abnormalities

                  that’s why they act like that and that’s why all their countries are such cesspits

                • Yes Palestine

                  bad day at the checkpoint?

                • Big Mouth John

                  yeah, noticed, so what?
                  cry me a river, terorrist!

                  if they can’t win, why keep firing rockets?

                • Marie Louise Noonan

                  I don’t think they are prepared to do that. Matt E does them a great disservice.

                • Big Mouth John

                  again with the human beings thingie

                  read properly: ACT like humans, and we’ll treat you like humans!

                  act like TERRORISTS, and you’ll get treated like terrorists!

                  first you start war after war after war after war, and then you have the audacity to whinge and complain when you get your stinky ar$es handed back to you

                  no missiles = no dead palestinians

                • Yes Palestine

                  No Israel = ‘no dead Palestinians’.

                  it’s the last dinosaur colonial state, stop worrying and accept that the pages of time just need a little cleaning up.

                • Big Mouth John

                  LMAO

                  you troglodytes have been declaring the end of Israel for 70 years!
                  what’s taking you so long? too busy killing each other?

                  Israel is still here, despite all odds, stronger than ever, while you lot are drowning in your own blood and excrement.

                  Israel is here to stay – get used to it, or choke on it

                  😀

                • Yes Palestine

                  70 years eh? My, my, only another 930 to go. Remind me, didn’t someone else predict their state would last a millennium?

                • Big Mouth John

                  i don;t believe in fairy tales like you cretins, i believe in facts

                  fact: Israel is here, has no oil, is the tiniest country in the ME, constantly attacked by neighbours, and yet somehow has the strongest economy in the entire region and the most advanced military technology in the world

                  fact: Muslims have 57 countries, most of them excrement filled cesspits filled with terrorist beheading their own people

                  not that I have a problem with Muslims killing each other

                  😀

                • Marie Louise Noonan

                  They receive 8.5 million dollars a day from Yank Land.

                • jjjj

                  Rubbish, the money is in transfer pa…Oh, forget it. Do your own research.

                • Jack Cowell

                  Yes I do hate them, and I pity them. I dislike all organised religion; i have never experienced it in a non oppressive and sycophantic strain that does not run against everything that is good about the human spirit. I see it as weak, unable to deal with the idea of death.

                  There it is! There’s the logical fallacy! I should have guessed that you were American by your failure to grasp a fundamental argument, and to make your point with winding rhetoric and bold assertions rather than reason and point. “The goal of the Gazans”.

                  Let me once again spell out my original point, the one that you had so much trouble answering. The author of this article (and now try your best to distance yourself from any other context) suggests by his writing that all those people who chose to show their support for regular Palestinians, facing so much death and carnage, are anti-Semites, supporters of Hamas, etc. He also claims that there is no outrage against this new zeal for “anti-Semitism” as he calls it, when in fact the news is full of it, literally brimming, his article a case in point.

                  Do you not agree that there is something illogical about this line of reasoning? I’m not asking you for your views on Israel, just answer me that! If some As are B, and we don’t like people who are B, should we hate all As and never listen to a thing that any of them have to say? If so, I propose that we ban all self-righteous yanks from forums and comment pages.

                • Matt E

                  I think his collection on Britain is excellent.

                  Homophobic? So was Obama homophobic five years ago? Saying that homosexual acts are wrong was morally obvious 15 years ago. That our societies have become morally sick doesn’t change that.

                  Why do you dislike Episcopalians? I dislike that many have lost their faith. But what can I do.

                • Jack Cowell

                  I’m sure that you do.

                  I don’t know that quote, but if he was saying that in the same sense that 200 years ago it was scientifically obvious that the world was flat, then no he is not.

                  Why do you insist on using such dire logical fallacies. I call him a homophobe, so you call someone else a homophobe. Attacking someone else, does not preclude my original point. The same goes here. Attacking my views on Israel does not answer my original point.

                  Do you agree that it is possible to sympathise with Palestinians as victims of European imperialism and now Israeli supremacism without being anti-Semitic? Do you agree that it is possible to boycott a shop run by Jews for political reasons, and for it not to be anti-Semitic? This has been my entire point and you have ignored it so many times.

                  I dislike such fundamental Christians because I view anyone with such religious attachments as insecure children. Religion produces no good, only stoning, FGM, war, persecution, bigotry, and unnecessary hindrances to scientific progress and liberty.

                • Marie Louise Noonan

                  Auster was also a Jewish Catholic convert, if you want to venture into the identity politics so worshipped in the land of the free and the home of the brave.

                • Jack Cowell

                  So?

                  I find quite often that people on forums and social media are very keen to enjoy their platform, get all of their wonderful knowledge off their chest and sound ever so clever, to the point where they fail to make a point.

                • Marie Louise Noonan

                  ‘because I am convinced that Britain is dead.’

                  Then have a wake and then get lost. You’e of no use to us now. By the way, we also have a fair number of servicemen from the US. What do we do with them?

                  Shall I tell the people I see on the street that some Yank on the Interwebs says they are all walking corpses? They will probably die laughing which may well have been your plan all along.

                  (Allies, my bottom!)

                • Jack Cowell

                  And as a quick point, the fact that they do speak of Jews as vermin does not detract from the validity of my reply to ‘Steve’; that is, his analogy is a bad one. Please try to follow the logical course of the argument at hand.

        • jjjj

          Jack, what is wrong about your comments is that you are holding Israel to a standard much higher than you would hold other countries. You acknowledge that Israel left Gaza and evacuated its settlers. Does it matter if it was ‘gracious’ or not? It wasn’t the first time.In return for peace with Egypt it evacuated the Sinai desert and this after Egypt had lost the territory was used as a springboard to try and strangle Israeli shipping and as a launchpad for an attack on the ground in 1967. But Egypt didn’t want Gaza back? Wonder why…

          Your comment leaves out ‘conveniently’ the 48 war that was declared on Israel by the Arabs.

          Go and read some better books, you are frit.

          • Jack Cowell

            1) The gracious comment was sarcastic. It removed its settlers from a tiny part of a land that did not belong to them, returning them to a bigger piece of land that did not belong to them. I would say a similar thing to a burglar that was robbing me but left my shoes; “oh how very kind of you”.

            2) I do not hold Israel to a different standard. Let me again ask the question. Is it not illogical to suggest that all pro-Palestinian protests are anti-Semitic, and further that the acts of the few make the whole movement illegitimate? Is it not absurd to think that I cannot sympathise with the situation of the Palestinians and not with Israel? Must I support Hamas and be an anti-Semite because I feel that the Palestinians have been abused by the arrogant European powers of 1948, and since then a supremacist, ethno-nationalist Israel? AS PER MY ACTUAL ARGUMENT.

        • MissDemeanor

          your argument has only logic in terrorist circles

          • Jack Cowell

            How? How is that the case?

            The author is trying to conflate all criticism of Israel, and more importantly all support for Palestine in any sense, with anti-Semitism. Have you even read my OP? I laid it out pretty clearly, but I’ll do it here in terms that wont confuse you:

            Some As are B. Bs necessarily have nothing good to say. Therefore, As necessarily have nothing good to say.

            An even more accurate layout would be:

            Bs call themselves A. Not all As are B. Therefore B and A are identical. Absolutely absurd reasoning.

            I also took personal offence ato the suggestion that society is not outraged by anti-Semitism. That is dangerous sensationalism, and, AS MY OP SAID, such tripe is embarrassing and beneath the Spectator.

        • Eurocentric

          If you’re so concerned about land theft, get out of Gibraltar and the Falklands. For a people who colonized – and split up – half the world, you have nothing whatsoever to say, for the results of English conquests all around the world reverberate until today. Where is YOUR voice over Jordan having grabbed the west bank? As for the ghetto of Gaza, that is of their own making. They’ve alienated themselves even from their other Palestinian “brothers”, who they set about killing whenever possible.

          • Jack Cowell

            Another straw man pathetic fallacy. The British government (again, an assumption that I’m British?) colonised much of the world, so nobody can make ANY criticism of Israel’s policies?

            These are mistakes that a 1st year philosophy student could easily avoid. You embarrass yourself. Nobody thus far has answered my OP. I asked if something was logically consistent for the author to suggest, and people have labelled me a Hamas sympathiser. People are so eager to get their knowledge off their chest, to make their little stand, to pintificate, that they miss the point entirely.

    • mkey

      Jack,

      Are you going to reply to Matt E’s persuasive reply or are you simply unable to because he is demonstrably right?

      What does Hamas want to do with the Jews? Yup, it really is that simple.

      • Jack Cowell

        Hahaha. It wants to kill them all, because it is a lunatic, fanatical group. You are the perfect point prover, the archetypal imbecile who skim-reads a post, thinks access to the internet means he has a valid point, and writes.

        My point, in its entirity: The author is wrong (both morally and in purely logical terms) to conflate support for PALESTINIANS, not Hamas, support for the PEOPLE OF PALESTINE, with anti-Semitism. To debase all criticism of the way Israel handles its foreign policy as racism is disrespectful to those who suffer from real persecution because they are Jewish. It also galvanises racists and idiots. I feel sorry for the Palestinians, and I feel that Israel’s precarious position in the world has made them as supremacist as the lunatics that they fight.

        The second point I made was that the author willfully ignores the fact that THERE IS OUTRAGE at anti-Semitism in the UK. The Spectator writes about it a lot, Richard Ferrer wrote on it in the Independent, it is all over social media, etc. I call that poor journalism.

        My OP made no normative claims about Israel or Palestine, just a recognition of reality. What a daft tw*t you are. You are so thrilled at the opportunity to say your little, “well I think this lad, and what of it?” piece that you haven’t read any of my posts, where I repeat to the stateless Matt that, while my reading of history is different to his, I have never once said anything that in any way means I even remotely sympathise with Hamas. Pompous ar*e that you are. Read.

    • MissDemeanor

      you should either be ashamed of yourself for being such a bloody terrorist sympathiser, or you should be embarrassed of yourself for being such a bloody stupid dhimmi

    • Eurocentric

      Do you have any idea, Useful Idiot, that Christians in the West Bank ruled not by Hamas, but the Palestinian Authority, have to pay the jizya tax? That ‘s because they are dhimmis: they must pay a protection tax to make sure they aren’t slaughtered for having another religion under Islamic rule. When Sharia takes over half of Europe, including Britain, you will pay it too. Let’s see what nice guys you will be thinking the Palestinians are then.

      • Jack Cowell

        I’m getting tired of explaining this.

        My views on the situation are irrelevant to my point that the author has employed very poor and misleading argument.

        Is it logically consistent to hold that ALL and ANY criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic, because some, even the vast majority, of pro-Palestinian protesters have acted in some way that is anti-Semitic? Is it anti-Semitic to feel that the people of Gaza are being persecuted, in a historical sense, and that shelling them to pieces is not the ideal solution? Asking such questions in no way erodes support for Israel’s right to exist, nor does it entail support for Islamic persecution of Christians, you useless idiot.

        Once again, he states that ‘this wouldnt happen to other people’s food’ without outrage, when there is outrage this time. That is truth twisting at its finest. That you reasoned from that to think that I support Hamas, or anything that you seem to have guessed about me, is laughable.

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  • Big Mouth John

    Last night, 4 mates and I went to a Sainsbury’s, we loaded 5 trolley with bacon, pork pies, halal products and as many ice cream tubs we could fit, then we dispersed, abandoned our loaded trolleys randomly in different corners of the supermarket and exited

    i might enter sainsbury’s again, but i’m certainly not going to spend a single penny ever again

    legal, symbolic and fun – we’re doing it again tonight

    • Steve

      The sort of peaceful process that ought to be applauded by the left but will, inevitably, have them tut-tutting and muttering about ‘racism’.

      Keep it up John – it is time the silent majority developed a voice.

      • Big Mouth John

        it’s not racist

        it’s just islamophobic, and something I am very proud of

        • Matt E

          It’s not Islamophobic when they really do want to kill you.

    • Marie Louise Noonan

      ‘we loaded 5 trolley with bacon, pork pies, halal products and as many ice cream tubs we could fit, ‘

      Um, about the bacon…

    • Matt E

      Are you sure that’s not illegal in your country? Britain is in the process of criminalizing all talk of the evil of Islam.

      • Damaris Tighe

        They did try a few years ago but it failed. Nevertheless people were still cowed into not criticising Islam until about 3 months ago, when the UK Independence Party’s success allowed people to feel more free to talk about these things. It was like the lid blowing off a pressure cooker.

        • Matt E

          Yes, I saw. I hope the UKIP lives up to its billing and I hope the party does well in the UK elections. It would be nice to see society come together to fight Islam. I just question whether Britain is too secular to do it. 19th century Britain would have kicked the Muslims back to their Sharia states in a heartbeat. I hope I’m wrong.

    • Yes Palestine

      ‘we loaded 5 trolley with bacon, pork pies, …then we dispersed, abandoned our loaded trolleys’

      So you’re Muslims.

  • Bernard Michael

    I’m struck by the sad irony that under the control of Hamas and their extremist ideology, Shabana Mahmood wouldn’t have a cat in hell’s chance of opining her views in such a public forum over there

    • Matt E

      That MP should never have been allowed to enter Britain. That’s the disgrace.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jack.harper.520562 Jack Harper

    Would it be kosher if parliament passed a law making England a White Protestant state?
    Israel passed a law making Israel a “Jewish State” according to the records in the Knesset.
    So why not follow the Jews lead?

    • Damaris Tighe

      England is already constitutionally a protestant state with the Queen as both head of state & head of the C of E.

    • Big Mouth John

      why do you have a problem with 1 ‘jewish state’ and no problem with 57 ‘Islamic nations’?

      and counting mind you…

    • Matt E

      I would have no problem with England wanting to be a white, Protestant state. In fact, it historically had always been a white Protestant state. That’s why the Monarch is the head of the Church of England. But your elites could care less about the Protestantism of the country so it has no chance. You people were too d*mb to keep your state and your elites are evil.

      Of course, the comparison isn’t apples to apples because Jews are a people (G-d spoke to the Jews as a people at Mt. Sinai). whereas Christian conversion is individual according to its theology.

      The world would be much better off if the US and UK were white, Protestant states (as they were in the 19th century) with healthy Jewish and Catholic minorities that had full participation in everything. Just as having a Jewish state of Israel with Christian minorities is a great thing.

      But I am sure that you are protesting against the 57 Muslim states. I’m sure those bother you, no? In those states, Jews and Christians have limited or even no rights (unlike say religious minorities in Israel).

      • Yes Palestine

        ‘Jews are a people (G-d spoke to the Jews as a people at Mt. Sinai). whereas Christian conversion is individual according to its theology.’

        one rule for Jews and another for the goy!

        • Matt E

          No, Muhammed. Judaism and Christianity have different theologies. When G-d spoke to the Jews, he spoke to them as a nation, gathered together at Mt. Sinai. When G-d speaks to Christians, according to their theology, he speaks to them as individuals.

          Islam, which means ‘submission,’ is a totalitarian, supremacist, pagan ideology masquerading as a religion. It is akin to Naziism or Communism and must be defeated. It is barbaric, Muhammed. And the West must separate from it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jack.harper.520562 Jack Harper

    As far as I know all Jews are criminals.
    Even little old lady’s and school teachers.
    If a Jew is not directly involved in some criminal matter you can be rest assured they are aiding and abetting one that is.
    This is the the very nature of the tribe and its members.
    The good Jew v. The bad Jew is a non-starter.
    All was quite in the UK until the Jew showed up in 1066 and appeared in the Magna Carta 151 years later as a organized criminal.

    • vieuxceps2

      149 years later. Magna Carta 1215.See how Jews always try to fiddle you?

      • jjjj

        Are you sure you really wanted to upvote his first post? Surely he’s too extreme for you judging from his second one.

        • vieuxceps2

          I assumed his post was a form of irony,albeit a little over-wrought.Hence my wry comment .Naive maybe?

          • jjjj

            Hmm…Now you mention it, maybe he was being ironic. I see it now.

    • jjjj

      As far as I know Jack, you are a moron.You have no grasp of grammar and you also are a failure at maths. But more seriously, as far as I know, you are a wife beater.

      • MissDemeanor

        his parents are probably cousins too

    • Big Mouth John

      ^ this is the typical intellectual level of a mouth foaming jew-bshing muslim

      and then they wonder why we look at them like trolgodytes

    • mkey

      Ah, the triumphs of the Madrassah education.

      Or maybe ol’ “Jack” went to a primary in Birmingham.

  • wjre

    Could someone please tell the guy who loves Hitler that he’s wearing a Ralph Lauren shirt! Ralph Lauren is Jewish! And don’t switch to Calvin Klein…

    • MissDemeanor

      no let him show the world how incredibly stupid they all are

      that Merda POS in the south of france who shot jewish kids in front of a jewish school, was using an Israeli Uzi gun!

      1.5 billion Muslims have less brains collectively, than 1 single averagely intelligent jew or christian

  • adanac

    There was a lot of opposition to Israel for the deaths of the Palestinians. The dead children of Palestine were, merely collateral damage. Much of the world reacted with anger.

    There was a petition going around the globe. They want the UN to charge Israel with, war crimes and crimes against humanity.Because, PM Harper encouraged Israel to make war on Palestine, Some are calling for Harper to be tried as well.

    Six members of my family served during WW2. One brother was 17 when he joined. Down the road in that war? He was given the duty of burying victims of a concentration camp, with a bulldozer. So, the family did have a lot of compassion for the Jewish people.

    However, the dead children of Palestine, are not merely collateral damage. Were the Jewish children with tattoos on their arms, merely collateral damage too?

    • Matt E

      Do you have no moral compass whatsoever? Have all Brits simply lost their minds?

      Lets see: The elected government of Gaza started a war by indiscriminately firing rockets into Israel with the intent to murder and maim as many Jews as possible. Israel responded to this declaration of war by trying to stop the rocket attacks on its civilians. Just because the elected government of Hamas puts its children and women in front of its rockets does not change the moral calculus here of Israel whose goal is to protect its citizens from Muslim rocket attacks and Gaza, which seeks to murder as many Jews as possible.

      Can your morally relativistic brain understand that? Any dead children in this conflict are the responsibility of the elected government of Gaza, Hamas. When you declare genocidal war, the other side can and must be allowed to do whatever it takes to protect its citizens. You Brits are sick!!!!

  • Freedom

    I’ll ask again: Why does Britain tolerate Muslims behaving badly? Tell them to shape up — or else!

    And further: David Cameron, speak up, fercrissake! Your own people are at risk — the Brits that believe in the British way of life, of freedom, liberal democracy, do unto others, the Enlightenment dispensation. For god’s sake, man, DO something!

    • Marie Louise Noonan

      I’m looking at those riots in ‘Ferguson’ and thinking a similar thing.

      • Matt E

        It is similar. One major difference though is that the blacks have always been citizens in America. The Muslims were allowed to immigrate into England by your elites.

        • Marie Louise Noonan

          My point was that you should MYOB.

          Muslims eh? The next thing you know we’ll be funding the Mujahideen and sucking up to the Saudis.

          • Matt E

            My point was that you should protect your minorities – ie. Jews from Muslim barbarism. You should also protect your soldiers from getting beheaded by Muslims on the streets of London – but I guess that is none of my business.

            You probably will fund the Mujahideen. Just like you released the Lockerbie bomber for oil contracts. Your country is morally sick. And it is one thing to fund the Mujahideen against the Soviet Communists when they are the biggest threat to world peace. It is another to fund them when we recognize that Islam is the greatest threat to world peace.

            • Marie Louise Noonan

              I love your mean-spirited interpretations of our actions. and your utter failure to volunteer a single ‘Mea Culpa’.

              • MissDemeanor

                hahhahha

                where is the effin mea culpa from the religion of peace, who can not live in peace with anybody, not even each other??

                oh sorry, i forgot, they usually blame the jews

        • Damaris Tighe

          Not only that but their ancestors were brought to the US by force. For that reason alone the have as much right to be there as the WASPs.

          • Matt E

            That’s true. Despite their behavior, they do have as much right to be there as we do.

    • Matt E

      Read Gladstone and Churchill on Islam. They got it. The bottom line is that England lost faith in itself. It no longer even has the language to prevent the Islamic invasion. It no longer has the ability to differentiate between Good and Evil which is why much of its government and people supports Hamas. When England lost its Biblical religion, it lost its moral compass. Sad.

  • English Majority

    ISIS have beheaded an American director/journalist called James Foley.

    • Matt E

      ISIS is Islam. Islam is evil.

      • MissDemeanor

        Islam is a psychopathic death cult and should be illegal in civilised society

        • Matt E

          Absolutely right.

          Islam, which means submission, is a totalitarian, supremacist, pagan ideology masquerading as a religion. It is much more akin to other totalitarian ideologies like Naziism and Communism than it is to Biblical Religion. It should absolutely be banned and we need to stop Islamic immigration to the US and the West.

  • Craig Atlas

    there is one thing behind all this madness-multiculturalism-invented by a jew and carried out by various jewish organizations world wide.

    • Freedom

      You’re part of the problem. You’re part of the madness. Look in the mirror. And then sod off.

      • Craig Atlas

        you take a hike commie.

    • vieuxceps2

      Well, don’t keep us in suspense.What is this “one thing”?

    • Guest

      oh look, a muzzy blaming jews for something

      how original

  • JMB

    Just to lay to rest the myth a) that Islam is tolerant of other religions and b) that the Palestinians had their ‘homeland’ in Palestine, read this: http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4611/muslim-colonists

  • RaymondDance

    Our grandchildren aren’t going to forgive us for this …

    • jjjj

      If they have to grow up with the likes of ‘She Dog’ and ‘Yes Palestine’ (see comments below), they will repudiate us.

    • Matt E

      Your grandchildren are going to have to fight because your elites have let the Muslim barbarians into the country. Your grandchildren have long odds of winning, although I wish them success.

  • Michael

    What incredible hypocrisy in Europe!!! For some people the Gaza conflict is a perfect opportunity for satisfying their hatred and racist ideology against the Jewish people, I wonder why the world is so busy in condemning only Israel as if it does not have the right to defend itself against its enemies. Why the people on the streets shouting against Israel could not have the same moralities to condemn what is happening in Syria, Iraq, Ukraine? Should I believe these people are serious or what they are doing is a morally justified while millions of people are being murdered? No single demonstration has been carried out until now for those who are being killed in Syria, Iraq or Ukraine.

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