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Breaking: David Cameron returns to Downing Street after journalist beheaded

20 August 2014

20 August 2014

Downing Street has announced that David Cameron is returning to Westminster from his holiday. A Number 10 spokesperson said:

‘If true, the brutal murder of James Foley is shocking and depraved.

‘The Prime Minister is returning to Downing St this morning. He will meet with the Foreign Secretary and senior officials from the Home Office, Foreign Office and the agencies to discuss the situation in Iraq and Syria and the threat posed by ISIL terrorists.’

That the apparent murderer of James Foley spoke with a British accent was not, according to Philip Hammond this morning, a surprise to those tracking radicalised Britons joining the conflict. But this development still has big implications, surprise or not.

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  • sebastian2

    I don’t know which is worse: the evil beheading by a so called “British” mohammedan (an oxymoron if there ever was one) or the mood of denial and potential appeasement that some show even now. As hundreds are killed, even more dislocated and forced into exile, as women are abducted (all, deeds, by the way as practiced, by their so called “prophet” during his early years of schizophrenic barbarism and conquest) and enslaved, converted, raped (can anyone doubt this?), as children are orphaned because their parents were of the “wrong” religion, as churches and other places of worship are desecrated and demolished ………………… the naive bleat “This is not the real islam.” is audible. Audible and perhaps growing in volume as mohammedan apologists make ever more frantic efforts to disguise or distract us from the true ugliness of the RoP.

    I do wonder at what point we will generally awake to the RoP’s genetic barbarity, intolerance and imperialism. Some already know of it. Many suspect it, look candidly at it and feel uneasy at what they see. Many are inclined to dislike it. But there are many, too many, living in what I believe to be false hope for its reformation and “multicultural” integration into Britain’s tapestry of cultures and creeds co-existing and sharing amiably and constructively. If this was ever going to happen, it would’ve. It hasn’t. It hasn’t after exhaustive efforts to persuade it to and after, it seems, endless concessions. So if it hasn’t happened by now, it never will.

    Our overstretched security services at some point will fail to prevent a domestic outrage. Then the problems will really begin. The potential is full to the brim.

  • Iain Hill

    Independent verification of this video is needed. Horrifying if true, but it all seems too pat and convenient. His parents not credible at all.

  • http://www.johnproblem.com johnproblem

    Dear Tony_E, Me neither – the numbers are the UN’s observers on the spot…

  • http://www.johnproblem.com johnproblem

    He must have been having a jolly nice time before now, not to return when 487 Palestinian children were slaughtered by missiles…..

    • Tony_E

      Or maybe he doesn’t swallow hamas propaganda whole…

  • Gwangi

    Well, you gotta laugh or else you’ll cry, inshallah:

    http://www.jesusandmo.net/2014/08/20/left/

  • FlippityGibbit

    “Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion
    paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger
    retrograde force exists in the world.” Winston Churchill 1899

    • Mrs Josephine Hyde-Hartley

      “But to what shall I compare this generation? It is like children sitting in the market places, who call out to the other children, and say, ‘We played the flute for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge, and you did not mourn.’ Jesus – a couple of thousand years ago – ish.

      Just because Muslims don’t behave the way Winston Churchill of 100 years ago wanted – doesn’t mean we should take Winston Churchill, as Gospel truth.

      And incidentally, just because this bloke who apparently has beheaded an American journalist calls himself John, doesn’t mean to say he hasn’t got a demon –

  • English Majority

    Another young White man. Viciously beheaded by Muslims.

    And to humiliate and destroy him further, they forced him to read out their propaganda.

    We’ve also allowed the sinister, Marxist/increasingly foreign media and government to make us forget that a young White British soldier was beheaded on our own streets.

  • Augustus

    The US Government is certain that the decapitated man in the video was the 40-year-old James Foley. Also, his family has confirmed it. And at the end of the video they showed another American, journalist Joel Steven Sotloff, whose fate apparently now depends on ‘Obama’s next decision ‘. There have been rumours for some time that IS was saving kidnapped journalists for this type of action, and to use them as human shields. But they are only following Sharia. With written acceptance by ‘spiritual’ men, an infidel is sacrificed, following the almighty Prophet’s fine example.

  • Fraziel

    Wonder what the Americans will think about their citizens being executed by British muslims as we have allowed these savages to go unchecked at home. Its at times like this i wish they had a republican in office, preferably not a religious nut case one.

  • GUBU

    As we speak, an official in Whitehall is probably quietly shelving proposals to counter the threat of the Islamic State by funding a programme of gender equality workshops for returning jihadis, and sending out Rowan Williams to explore with the new regime how sharia might be applied with greater sensitivity in a multi faith context.

    • Blindsideflanker

      I think you have pretty much nailed it.

  • Pootles

    This may be stating the obvious, but if the UK government doesn’t take clear action very soon, then we will simply drift into low-level civil war, especially in England. It appears that the utter bas8ard that beheaded James Foley was ‘British’. He, and hundreds of others like him, will probably return to the UK, and then what? If the government doesn’t protect us from these sw*ne, then we will need an English version of the UDA, or the IRA to protect us.

    • Damaris Tighe

      ‘then we will need an English version of the UDA, or the IRA to protect us’: the prototype existed, the EDL, & look how they were treated

      • sebastian2

        I think it will not take much to rouse the English into action. Many, I fancy, are merely waiting for a call to arms. Politicians should be very afraid. They must cease pussyfooting around, act …… or endure the consequences for we have reached our limit of tolerance.

        • Damaris Tighe

          But who will call them & risk what happened to Tommy Robinson, who did far far less than issue a call to arms?

          • sebastian2

            Your point is a fair one. That said, there are those among us who will. I’m convinced of this. Anonymous now but who’ll be very visible and known about when tolerance finally runs out and anger boils over. I think we may be very close to this.

    • Blindsideflanker

      As far as I can gather they are just going to let them back in. Our parents and grand parents stung up Lord Haw Haw, our lot are just going wave in Jihadi Islmaofascists.

  • English Majority

    Have you noticed what the HuffPo has been doing, led, of course, by its sinister, sneering Islamist Political Editor, Mehdi Hasan?

    Mehdi is now using the ultra-Islamist appeasing words of an ex-MI6 man in order to help his fellow Muslim brothers by stopping America/England attacking Islamic State.

    You’ll note how Mehdi shows VERY clear signs of support for Islamic State now. He’s barely managing to hold back his violent, vicious hatred for England. And this foreign Muslim is influencing the minds of millions of young English youth via his shady, powerful HuffPo position….

    The BBC also, of course, regularly have him on shows. He’s seen as a ‘moderate Muslim’. Just recently, he won the ‘Man of the Year’ award at the ‘British Asian Awards’. John Berclow was there to present him with said award.

    Its all part of the Jihad. Mehdi is doing his part. As are all Muslims in positions of influence. As Muslims, they’re privately watching ISIS and yearning for them to succeed.

    Cameron will NOT ever do what needs to be done. He and the government are deranged traitors. They’re leading us straight into absolute Third World HORROR.

    • Holly

      As I said earlier, the general election next year is our last opportunity to change the direction this country is hurtling towards, and we absolutely owe it to our future generations to switch votes, just once, to avoid them having to fight these barbaric nutjobs here at home further down the line.
      There is no one willing to stand up to the minority in Britain, who hate us with all their being, and to throw the responsibility of having to eventually fight them onto our children/grand children/great grand children is, I think, the biggest betrayal we could ever do against them.
      We CAN beat this at the ballot box in nine months time, and I will be playing my part, and I hope with all my heart and soul others can pluck up, and hold onto the ‘courage’ while in the polling booth to do the same.

      • English Majority

        ‘Democracy’ (we no longer have one) is no longer an option, Holly.

        The cancer is far, far, far too deep.

        • Holly

          You’re a right optimist.
          And you call us weak.
          I do not recall us having a ‘democracy’ long before Blair/Iraq.

  • FlippityGibbit

    For my own conscience I am Doing something I’ve never done before. I am deliberately and conscientiously starting my own PERSONAL Boycott of EVERYTHING, Islamic, or connected to that religion, including businesses owned or operated by people of that faith, food or produce from those countries. No matter how tenuous the link they will not get one penny from me. If enough people REALLY have the conviction of their words and are truly are disgusted then maybe they will join me. If not, my conscience at least will be clear!

  • Blindsideflanker

    On the news we are told the British authorities are doing everything they can to identify the people who have joined IS, and, and, and….. nothing, that is it! We are supposed to be really grateful that they are putting a name to them, and that is it.

    The lack of inquisitiveness to what next is truly staggering from our media. We are supposed to be content at finding out who they are, not what prosecution the British authorities intends to bring against them.

    It seems to be a case of pretend to do something about it, say they are working really hard to put a name to these people, then hope that we will forget about it, after all we don’t want to upset the religion of peace here by prosecuting these people now do we?

  • FlippityGibbit

    Here is something to think about. Rather than “Positive Discrimination” in favour of obvious uncivilised savages who are way beyond contempt, what about really positive engagement with the OTHER minority religions who are law abiding, tolerant and peace loving. We have Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists and a myriad of other religions who share a common belief of peace and tolerance with us. Let those that have other aspirations towards violence and intolerance whither on the vine through our intolerance!

    • Damaris Tighe

      Yes yes yes, but they don’t get a look in because they’re not violent & threatening! Those who make the most noise win. Cowardice rules.

      • FlippityGibbit

        Only because we do not have Politicians with the “dangly bits” to face up to what is happening and find it easier to try and “Bribe the Devil” who will NEVER be satisfied!

  • Agrippina

    Apparently, people here are uploading this video onto various websites. I hope that the plods are going to their homes to arrest them. Along with the flag wavers at the recent marches in England.

    Toughen up cameron, these nutjobs here need to be shaken up, you need to snap out of the supine treatment you have permitted to date.

    • FlippityGibbit

      Sorry, “shaken up” is way short of what needs to be done to them!

  • The Masked Marvel

    These people were barbarians before Islam came into existence. Islam didn’t make them violent troglodytes. But now that it’s here, it’s the driving and unifying factor, so it’s logical to wonder why all the so-called “moderate Muslims” are silent. Rather than trying to change the subject to who is to blame for the overall situation in the region, the BBC needs to abandon their lies and finally discuss why there is no public, Muslim version of the “Not In My Name” crowd.

  • Blindsideflanker

    The disgusting BBC corrupts our language yet again.

    The BBC news headlines calls these Islmofascists ‘militants’ and calls the person decapitating the journalist an IS ‘fighter’.

  • Damaris Tighe

    ISIS have several western captives, used as human shields to dissuade the west from attacking them as was made clear in the ‘British’ barbarian’s & the poor journo’s statements. So let’s see what the west’s policy on human shields is going to be. Do nothing, perhaps, as they advised Israel?

  • Smithersjones2013

    I hope the urban liberal multiculturalists (Westminster you know who you are) are proud of the monsters they have created!

    • Hexhamgeezer

      Methinks they enjoy ‘rubbing our noses in it’

      • The Masked Marvel

        They don’t really think it was so wrong, in the end. They realize many people are unhappy about the consequences, but they do not believe their intent was wrong or that they’re responsible for anything truly harmful. The half-hearted, mealy-mouthed, disingenuous statements from the likes of Cooper, Straw, and Blunkett in Nick Robinson’s rather varnished ‘truth about immigration’ documentary are proof of that. Lessons learned, you can put us back in charge now, was the message.

        • Damaris Tighe

          ‘Lessons learned’: one of the great cliches of the decade (translation – nothing will change) along with ‘hardworking people’ (translation – we will continue to ignore you) & ‘diverse’ (translation – injustice).

        • Holly

          Labour knew exactly what they were doing. It was a deliberate act.
          Iraq was a deliberate act, spun out of control to make it appear legit.
          The thing that is so wrong with Labour is, they do not think, they do not fret about consequences, they simply do stuff to come across as plausible, which they are not, never have been and never will be.
          100% UNFIT TO GOVERN.
          The current shower do not have the political will to unpick what Labour have done to this country either, so why on earth am I going to vote for them.

          • The Masked Marvel

            Yes, it was deliberate, but the current situation wasn’t really their intended outcome. Not that they had much of a vision other than “more voters for us and Tories being made to look like racists, with the BBC supporting us no matter what”. Which, in the end, is what they got.

  • FlippityGibbit

    In Medieval Times we had the ability to declare someone an “Outlaw” this meant that as they chose to live “outside the law” they could not apply to the law to protect them. They could be killed on sight by anyone and it was viewed as a “public service” for ridding society of such a threat. Reckon we should start reading some old Law Books and reintroduce a few as they seemed to work!

  • FlippityGibbit

    I would support ALL Halal food being removed from the shelves of ALL shops to show that disgusting savagery has NO support in any civilised country. How many religions do we have in the UK? How many do we have a problem with? Time to take some really hard decisions to show indefatigably that NO religion that supports or harbours these people will be tolerated. We banned the IRA didn’t we?

    • Gwangi

      Yes, but Gerry Adams wasn’t brown-skinned and wearing a halo of ethno-religious immigrant immunity from criticism or prosecution.

      Really, if Adolf himself had been a brown-skinned Pakistani, the leftwingers of British politics would have been his biggest fan. Maybe he should have blacked up? You seem, if Germans had drunk more tea instead of coffee, he could have used the teabags. Like in It Ain’t Half Hot Mum (now banned by the BBC because a white man – the late great Michael Bates who spoke fluent Urdu and grew up in India – mimics an Indian – brilliantly).

      It is preferable treatment being given to some people of a certain skin colour – or racism, as it’s generally known – that has allowed Islamofascism to prosper in the UK and for suicide bombers and jihadis to be recruited at our schools, colleges and universities (many of which ONLY serve halal meat and never serve pork so as not to offend the most offensive religious and ethnic minority this country has ever known).

      • FlippityGibbit

        Sorry, I’m colour blind! Don’t care what colour it is, if it looks and smells like s**t it gets flushed away!

      • Conway

        Michael Bates was superb! Such a loss!

    • ArchiePonsonby

      Agreed! Time, also, to write or e-mail your MP to protest them STILL being allowed in!

  • Advocatus_Diaboli_69

    A British subject slaughtered a British soldier in our capital city. Now another British subject has slaughtered an American. We don’t know how many more British passport holders have committed similar atrocities. All they tell us is they think they know that about 500-750 UK citizens have gone to join in with the barbarism.

    How many supporters and sympathisers are there in the UK, and in the the rest of Europe? How many are cheering them on?

    • English Majority

      “How many are cheering them on?”.

      At least 70% of the Muslim population tacitly/privately support their Islamic brothers in ISIS. The vast majority being younger Muslims.

    • Conway

      I suspect this is a BINO (British in Name Only).

  • The Laughing Cavalier

    Great news, he can be ineffectual in Downing Street instead of being ineffectual n Cornwall.

    • will91

      Brilliant! hahaha

    • The Masked Marvel

      Cameron can’t do anything even if he wanted to. There isn’t the military capability to go it alone, and the majority of the public want nothing done. There would be less public outcry and less political consequences over the mass deportation of Muslims than over renewed military action.

  • lakelander

    Please can politicians now start talking about repatriation?

  • William_Brown

    Usually Cameron does exactly what Obama tells him to do. Now that a British subject has slaughtered an American, perhaps Barak will ask Dave to get a grip on the country of which he’s supposed to be Prime Minister.

    • ArchiePonsonby

      Wouldn’t count on it! Especially from someone with the middle name of Hussein!

  • Blindsideflanker

    We still need to know what charges the British state will bring against the people who have gone to join this Islamofascist movement IS.

    • Tony_E

      Have they actually committed a criminal offence in British law, and if so, what offence?

      • Blindsideflanker

        Yes, there is a law against joining an irregular military force. I believe there is also a law of joint enterprise which makes people guilty in association of a crime.

        IS has participated of genocide of all sorts, which makes British passport holders guilty of being part of it, and the crimes it has committed.

        We should deal with them as we dealt with the Nazis.

      • Agrippina

        International War Crimes, as we are signatories to the International Criminal Ct.

      • Colonel Mustard

        Foreign Enlistment Act 1870 – but it is ambiguous in the case of volunteers for ISIS as it could be arguable whether that is “a foreign state at war” under the meaning of the act. The Act was not used in the Spanish Civil War, although debated, and the last successful prosecution was in 1896.

        “If any person, without the license of Her Majesty, being a British subject, within or without Her Majesty’s dominions, accepts or agrees to accept any commission or engagement in the military or naval service of any foreign state at war with any foreign state at peace with Her Majesty, and in this Act referred to as a friendly state, or whether a British subject or not within Her Majesty’s dominions, induces any other person to accept or agree to accept any commission or engagement in the military or naval service of any such foreign state as aforesaid, –

        “He shall be guilty of an offence against this Act, and shall be punishable by fine and imprisonment, or either of such punishments, at the discretion of the court before which the offender is convicted”

        Geneva Convention and UN protocols cover mercenaries fighting for gain but not volunteer insurgents.

        • Damaris Tighe

          Trouble is, the political classes of all western powers (except perhaps France) don’t seem to hold to the concept of a ‘friendly state’ any more – or at least they use it very selectively.

    • Gwangi

      Yes, that new law is insane. I wonder if any women will get arrested for henpecking husbands eh? Or will this law, designed to attract the women’s vote, just be another way of women to get revenge against their exes, just like the present harassment law (which vengeful women adore as if they claim they have ‘suffered alarm and distress’ by receiving 2 emails from an ex, they can get him arrested for harassment. Maybe these bints need lessons in HOW TO BLOCK sends of emails and tweets eh?).
      And I wonder how many Muslim husbands will be arrested for bullying and oppressing their wives. Are there enough police cells to house the many hundreds of thousands of Muslim husbands who behave, well, as they would in Pakistan, then?

    • Holly

      I bet you….
      These nutjobs will be made to wear some sort of tag, put on a curfew, and told not to use mobile phones/computers etc….Oh and be ‘nice’.
      WOW! That will make folks feel a lot safer eh.

  • Tony_E

    The problem with fighting ISIS (or any other Islamic organisation), is that it’s the asymmetric nature of the fight.

    We have rules, and our media and political bodies are quick to challenge the behaviour of our soldiers. They take no account of the nature of the war that is being waged, and that it cannot be won unless we are able to get the gloves off and actually fight to win.

    I don’t want to send UK soldiers to fight in a war where only one side is subject to the rule of law.

    • edithgrove

      But they are here, among us.

      • Tony_E

        That’s a whole other debate. One I’m sure we will be forced to have sooner or later.

        First I think we have to deal with the British nationals who are currently out there fighting and make sure that they cannot return to the UK.

    • Advocatus_Diaboli_69

      So you must appreciate how difficult it is for the Israelis then.

      • Damaris Tighe

        Exactly. It’s going to be very interesting to see how this pans out. Rules as applied to Israel? Or rules for everyone else?

      • Tony_E

        Yes, absolutely I do, as I have often posted here.

  • Blindsideflanker

    Hark do I hear something from Warsi?

    No sorry false alarm.

    • Tony_E

      Not a chance.

    • Holly

      Don’t forget Galloway and Shabana Mahmood.
      Vipers in the nest.

      • Agrippina

        All the leftie supporters, guardian, bbc, owen etc.

      • In2minds

        Shabana Mahmood, is she a security risk?

        • Holly

          Don’t know.
          What do you reckon?
          Where do HER loyalties lay, going on her performance?..
          Or Galloway’s, or Warsi’s?
          Not with the majority in Britain that’s for sure.

          • In2minds

            The Mahmood problem is for Ed Miliband to answer!

            • Holly

              I reckon Mahmood is a problem to everyone.
              She, like others, are crawling out of the woodwork, and have no place in positions of power, and who’s personal opinions whilst holding that position should be kept to herself.
              I did not elect her, and neither did millions of others, but her decision to let her personal beliefs spill out into the public arena tells me that she is intent on doing harm to the basic fabric of this country, and the foundations it was built on, and that affects everyone.
              The very thought that Idiot boy could sort this, easy to sort behaviour of one of his own, is ridiculous, he will never do anything to upset his minority voters.
              IF he was going to ‘answer’ this, he would have done so by now, and if it had been a Conservative MP Labour bods would be all across the media screaming for their sacking.
              Miliband and his shower of traitors are the reason we are having this conversation.

        • Agrippina

          Yes, because she encourages the sort of idiots who then went onto trash a shop and other acts of intimidation of Jewish businesses & people.

          They the thickos, think that if she is with them, than the next step that they take is just a natural consequence, same applies to galloway, rahman (mayor of Tower Ham) the Glasgow officials who decided to fly a palestinian flag.

          If these nutjobs were discerning, they would note that alot of the poison about the West and us infidels doesn’t ring true of their experience of life here with us. They would not join up and carry out barbaric acts.

    • FlippityGibbit

      Seems to me Israel is NOT the problem, Islam is. We gave them freedom of religion, they give us savagery, intolerance and uncivilised behaviour. Dodgy Dave really needs to “grow a pair” and step up. Impossible? Bet you Nigel would know EXACTLY what to do, AND DO IT! Once more only UKIP has the answer!

      • Holly

        Now in all honesty I do not know what UKIP would do, but what I do know is, they would have put into motion our exit from Europe.
        Put a stop to the human rights stuff being used as an excuse for not booting out all those who wish to do us harm.
        UKIP would not be pandering for the minority vote.
        That is a heck of a lot more than any of the three main parties are willing to offer us, and they put us all in grave danger by being so….Erm….’nice’.
        The MSM would love us to think UKIP are racist, but the only really nasty bods are a Labour bod, an ex-Labour bod and a,defected to Conservatives on a better offer than Labour, bod.
        Then we have the BBC and the MSM, and a shed load of other lefty bods all cheering the wrong people.
        It is NOT looking good.

      • Conway

        Nigel has said (reported in the Independent) that anybody going out to fight for Is should be stripped of British nationality if they hold dual nationality, citizens’ passports should be withdrawn and if they are not citizens but have leave to remain, then that should be withdrawn. They should not be allowed to repatriate. Seems reasonable to me.

    • Gwangi

      No and you won’t see any British Muslims protesting about the murders by Muslims of non-Muslims or indeed of Muslims.
      Yet, if someone draws a cartoon of their hero – M – who ordered many beheadings in his time (when he wasn’t marrying and breaking in 9 year olds, that is…) – they are out on the streets marching, and the same if a democratic and tolerant country defends itself by retaliating when the fascists next door fire hundreds of rockets at its civilians, who belong to a racial group they want to exterminate and wipe from the face of the earth.

  • @PhilKean1

    .
    “I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.”

    Yamamoto’s words shortly after Japan launched the attack against Pearl Harbour.

    It seems that the terrorists know very little about the American character. Unlike 50% of the British people, who’ve had the the fight and their pride flushed out of them by weak, vote-buying, Liberal-left politicians – Americans still retain the spirit that once made Britain, not only a great friend and ally, but also an enemy to be feared.

    Murdering the innocent American journalist is more likely than not to galvanise American opinion to push their Government to take avenging action.
    .

    • MaxSceptic

      One can only hope that they will use all means to eradicate this evil from the face of the earth.

      • @PhilKean1

        It will be up to the Americans to do it. The British Prime Minister wants to talk the problem away.
        .

    • Magnolia

      Avenging action will only bring more hatred and violence.
      What we need, and I agree with the rest of your post, is resolving action.
      The two actions might be identical in nature but we need cold logic and a sensible plan of action that will rid us of this evil.

      • @PhilKean1

        When you buy disinfectant from your supermarket, do you look for one that says it kills 99% of household germs, or just 25%.

        The gloves need to come off.
        .

      • Holly

        Like what?

  • will91

    Melanie Phillips warned about this almost a decade ago in ‘Londonistan’. In addition to what appears to be the spectacular failure of our security services, one is also awoken to the “extraordinary contribution by the British Muslim community” (adopts Cameron’s voice) in making Britain a major player in global terrorism.

    • ButcombeMan

      Love or hate her, Melanie was the very best writer on this arena, the Spectator has ever had.
      Rather stupid to lose her.

    • Iain Hill

      Hopefully British policy will never sink to her level.

      • will91

        Anything else you’d like to add? Any substance to your argument? How predictable (sigh)…

  • swatnan

    Its an absolute disgrace. Bring back the Guillotine for Acts of Terrorism; the killers of Lee Rigby should have been guillotined; its the only language these islamofacists understand, and respect.

    • rolandfleming

      No. You don’t defeat barbarism by becoming barbaric.

      • will91

        Well you defeat barbarism by wiping it out. If that involves firing hell-fire missiles at them and blowing these fascists into smithereens there you have it.

        • rolandfleming

          There is such a thing as a just war. And I understand the logic of the ‘hydra problem’. But that is not the same as condoning state-sanction killings in the UK.

      • Holly

        You most DEFINITELY don’t, can’t, and won’t defeat it by being ‘nice’ that’s for sure.
        Guillotining these barbaric British nutjobs on OUR terms, not as martyrs, but as traitors.

        • swatnan

          Exactly; give them a fair trial, and then guillotine them.
          Then they’ll get the message

          • William_Brown

            They won’t. It will strengthen their belief that they will be martyred and join their 40 virgins. This, I really couldn’t care less about – if that’s what they want to believe, then so be it. As long as we rid them from (at least) the UK, then that is all we should be concerned about as a first priority.

            • swatnan

              Its almost impossible to remove them from the mainland, because cells will still be active here. What needs to be done is to monitor seek and destroy them ie catch and sentence them; but it has to be a sentence of such harness that it acts as a deterent to others joining.
              Even if you remove them from the mainland, they’ll still foind softr targets abroad tourists journalists business people to capture and hold hostage, and thres not jus one group there are a dozen with islamic fundamentalist ideas through out the world. This is a global problem. Seek and destroy by legal means or by assasination squads, because they won’t fight as an Army, but melt away and resort to guerilla tactics.
              The last time we faced terrorism was over the NI Problem, but then the catholics were being vitimised unfairly and had a case to be listened to. These islamofacists haven’t.

              • William_Brown

                Nonsense… We had internment camps for Italians and Germans in the second world war and they worked just fine. Sure, some innocents were caught up in it, but that’s what happens during a war – it is neither fair, nor pretty.

      • swatnan

        To allow people to walk over you, is a sign of weakness; you have to respond in a language they understand and respect.

        • rolandfleming

          I’m sorry but I don’t want to see state-sanctioned beheading in the UK. If you are into that sort of thing I suggest you might want to try another kind of country.

          • Holly

            State sanctioned terrorist recruitments okay though eh?

            The sad truth is we have to be MORE barbaric than they are, and Agrippina is spot on about sending their relatives back to where they hail from would be a fantastic start.

          • Alexandrovich

            It’s only people like you that make me think I ‘might want to try another kind of country.’

        • Agrippina

          The only lang that may slow them down is that there families are sent back to wherever they hail from. They will not want aged granny, mum, sisters, nieces, aunts etc having to walk miles in the sun to fetch water and live in some hot sandy dump.

          The thought that their family will be thrown out, will halt their actions.

          • swatnan

            You have to remember that these islamofacists are fannatics and don’t think logocally; they’d murder their own grandmother if it came to it to get to Paradise.
            Besides which those holding a British passport have every right to stay here, and should do so and adjust and integrateinto the good things of the British way of life, like fairness tolerance and justice.

            • Agrippina

              Do you believe that their families have no idea that their kids have become very religious and concerned with ‘foreign affairs’. Alot of them live in tiny 3bed terraced homes, they know exactly what their children are doing.

              That the imam down at the mosque is a bit harsh about the West and infidels, but we just ignore him.

              There is also the nutter that died in syria channel4news spoke to him. He said that his mother here said ‘that he should not be a coward and go to the front when fighting’, that is encouraging him, she should be in jail.

              Brit passports have been handed out like sweets, most cannot speak the lang, do not integrate and should be expelled, as they cannot support themselves. Why should we have these folks on the welfare teat for life.

              • swatnan

                If you’ve had kids were you aware of what they were upto every minute of the day? I doubt it. Most parents don’t these days; that what living in a liberal democracy does for you.
                There is not much parental control even in Muslim households these days.

                • Agrippina

                  The father in Wales whose 2 sons have gone, said that they had become very interested in the war in syria, just as I have outlined above.

                • Holly

                  Surely they’d figure it out when the little mite didn’t come back for his tea, or recognised their angel spouting off on the news.

      • Damaris Tighe

        There is nothing barbaric about a clean execution – which is more than these muslim beheadings (which aren’t clean cuts – I go no further) are.

      • FlippityGibbit

        No, you have to be even more barbaric so that they are too afraid to be barbaric!

    • http://i-squared.blogspot.co.uk/ Katabasis

      They don’t “understand” it or “respect” it at all.

      The fear neither death nor life imprisonment. Either way they are martyred.

      We have only one option for domestic causes and that is prevention, not cure and that means no more cultural relativism or special treatment. We return to the principle that is supposed to be one of the guiding forces of liberal democracies – equality under the law. Something we have not had for a long time thanks to “cultural sensitivities”.

      • swatnan

        Depends what the Law is; if capital punishment were reintorduced for Terrorism and Crimes of such a vile nature abhorent to society, then the terrorist for get their just deserts; society would regard such people as criminals, which is what they are and not martyrs. Their followers few in number would still see them as martyrs, but I doubt if they would recruit many new terrorists into their gangs, knowing that they would be guillotined.
        And it is fact white democracies that have the cultural sensitivity about ‘death’, and are so squeamish about it. Death should be a way of life.

        • FlippityGibbit

          And remember, an executed person is buried in an unmarked grave in unconsecrated ground so tough titty on the martyr stakes!

          • Damaris Tighe

            cremation

          • swatnan

            I think they disposed of bin Laden at sea.

        • Damaris Tighe

          ‘Death should be a way of life’ – the only people that description fits in today’s world are jihadis.

          It is surely right to honour life in all things but sometimes it may have to be protected by judicial death.

    • Conway

      And don’t forget to grease the blade with pork fat.

  • edithgrove

    The implications are that we’re now supplying the world with terrorists.
    A couple of days ago the Telegraph reported the UK government had shelved a recommendation to classify the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organisation in deference to our trading partners. If this means what I think it means it explains the hell-hole we’re falling into and the spineless performance of British politicians.

    • Shazza

      Correct.

      And as for it is just a ‘tiny minority’ who support terrorism/ISIS/Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood, this is not true. The majority support these organisations.

      The true ‘minority’ are those who actually go and fight for the abovementioned terror organisations.

      BTW On RT yesterday it was revealed that according to a poll conducted in France, 15% of the populations supported ISIS. I wonder what the percentage here is ……..

      We are now reaping what the liberal Lefties have sown.

      • John Gerard

        “I wonder what the percentage here is ……..”

        It’s 7% according to the ICM poll. Which makes around 4.5m people if you rack it up. Second question down:

        http://www.icmresearch.com/data/media/pdf/New%20EU%20Members-Combined-July%202014-V3.pdf

        • Shazza

          This is very frightening.

          • John Gerard

            I just thought maybe I’d made a mistake on the 4.5m number, and it was a specific age group, or something. But it appears to be a general sample of the population. If anyone can correct that, please do so.

      • The_Missing_Think

        It’s the same with all ‘group think’ idealogies, there are no ‘tiny minorities’.

        The comments on this site alone, proves there is no such thing as a ‘moderate’ Zionist.

        You’re all foaming armchair Zio-extremist, given half a chance, everyday.

        Time to chant ‘anti-Seminite’ again is it pseudo Zionist extremist?

        Like you also chanted ‘racist’ at the BNP… how’s that working out by the way?

    • Holly

      Would Cameron be stirred into action if other countries start bombing London to target these nutjobs?

  • In2minds

    Cameron returns, but to do what, he will not be very busy coordinating the cries of anguish from the Muslim community will he?

    • will91

      Looking forward to the press conference this afternoon…

      David Cameron speaking outside number 10: ” Today, all Britain’s, across all communities, are united in their disgust at this act…err that is of course if you discount the several hundred British militants currently fighting with IS and of course the thousands of British citizens who either sympathise or support IS in their efforts”

    • Damaris Tighe

      He will be working on a speech, the central point of which will be ‘Islam is a religion of peace’.

      • will91

        Tonight, on the news we will hear that: “There is nothing in Islam which permits such acts”

        Let me help you out there Dave…

        Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”

        Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”

        Take your pick from dozens and dozens of other verses. Silly Dave, looks to me like his just peddling out the same tired bullshit.

        • Damaris Tighe

          Obama & Kerry said much the same. Soooo predictable.

  • @PhilKean1

    .
    The barbaric murder committed last night by the terrorists was expected –

    – and it is sad that the innocent American journalist just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    And the reason this murder – and the ones to come – were expected, is because the terrorists have learned that their murderous adventure can’t continue to gather momentum – and is under threat of elimination – all the while they can be surgically targeted by high-flying military aircraft.

    No road will be safe to travel along. Resupplying will become almost impossible. Massed attacks without the cover of counter-measures would be suicidal. Defensive positions and launch-sites would be wiped out. And – just as importantly – the Kurdish-led army would be supplied intelligence about every move the terrorists make.

    Intelligence is a vital component in predicting and preventing such situations. But intelligence, in the form of information about potential threats, isn’t the only intelligence that has been sadly lacking.
    Because – as the recent, cowardly, caught-in-the-headlights paralysis of the UK Government shows – we also need intelligence, boldness and decisiveness from our political leaders.
    .

    • John Gerard

      They need to do a post-D-Day, typhoon taxi-rank job. Any moving vehicle, from a bicycle to a tank, gets obliterated. That’s how they got Rommel.

  • Advocatus_Diaboli_69

    The words of Amel Nona, the Chaldean Catholic Archbishop of Mosul, now exiled in Erbi, should be heard

  • Agrippina

    About time too. Brits here know exactly who the murderer is from his voice, his family should be taken in for questioning. Those that are returning from syria, iraq etc need to be put before the courts, for aiding our enemies and those that are hostile to us.

    There need to be more air attacks on the IS positions, men, women and children will die, it is war. You will have to take difficult decisions and give the military a clear outline of what it is you want, no more hand wringing. These nutjobs need to be cleared of the face of the earth both here and in iraq.

    • FlippityGibbit

      I’d send them to the USA for trial, somewhere like Texas where they have the death penalty. Against their human rights, sorry these people don’t BELIEVE in Human rights!

  • Colonel Mustard

    Cameron’s weakly performed balancing act – how to look strong on the world stage at the same time as appeasing and not offending minorities in his domestic audience – is the result of the reckless and foolish immigration “policies” of successive governments and the astonishing decision, made without the consent of the English people, that their country should become multi-cultural rather than multi-ethnic.

    • Shazza

      Spot on Colonel. Regarding your ‘without the consent of the English people’ it was actually written into law by Labour that anyone who opposed this deliberate islamification would be prosecuted under their totalitarian ‘race hate’ laws.

      When Michael Howard dared to allude to Labour’s immigration policies was he not accused by the Left of ‘having something of the night’ about him and I stand to be corrected, but didn’t that most devious creature Mandelson say words to the effect that he ‘had the whiff of the gas chambers’ about him?

      I have said this before and I will repeat it again.

      For the first time in the history of these isles, the indigenous population were prevented, by law, from defending themselves from a hostile invasion.

      • Tom M

        I think that was Anne Widdecombe who said that of Michael Howard.
        That comment as with Teresa May’s “nasty party” comment should be put into the Tory MP’s handbook of things you don’t say about your own party.

    • Portendorfer

      I just do not get the carping at DC for things that he can do nought about.
      What can he do if some crackpots in Iraq behead an American?
      How can he reverse the tide unleashed by New Labour.
      You should save your ire for those who are culpable.

      • Holly

        1. He could have got us out of European stuff that ties our hands in dealing with nutjobs.
        2. He could ‘advise’ our judges on how the majority want nutjobs to be dealt with, make deportation the one and only option.
        3. He could revoke shed loads of British passports given out to nutjobs/suspected nutjobs/non-nutjobs who might become nutjobs, and refuse to hand out any more to people from countries that wish to do us harm.
        4. He could revoke the British passport of all those already out there doing god knows what.
        5. He could have an ‘IN/’OUT’ referendum sooner rather than later, so as to hasten all of the above.
        6. He could make it an instant barring from Parliament of any MP inciting racial/religious hatred toward the majority.

        There are dozens of things Cameron/government should be doing, and seeing as he is the boss, it is perfectly reasonable for the blame for stuff happening now to land at HIS door.

        • Alexandrovich

          And now HookesLaw has another pseudonym – ‘Portendorfer’.

          One thing you missed Holly, how about Cameron standing up in the Commons and saying, unequivocally, that the all too frequent islamic tantrums we are subjected to in this country will be tolerated no further; as of now, right now. Unfortunately, this would require a spine.

        • Colonel Mustard

          Quite so. He is weak and more frightened of the gobby whining of the metro-leftists he sets such store by rather than what really matters.

      • Colonel Mustard

        Er, read the title of this article. The “uber-pundit” always has plenty to say about everything and he is as culpable as the rest of them in Westminster for what has happened in this country.

        • Portendorfer

          He came back to stop the chattering classes moaning.
          He is as entitled to a holiday as the rest of us.

          • Alexandrovich

            He came back because of the palpable and mounting anger of the man and woman in the street. He is not entitled to a holiday during an emergent situation of national importance.

          • Colonel Mustard

            He is the chattering classes. He is the very leader of the chattering classes. It is about the only leadership he shows.

    • you_kid

      Absolutely right, Colonel. Cameron needs to keep Scotland on board with everything he does.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …what about the goat, lad? Is the goat staying on board?

    • jack

      The Leader of all and master of none.

    • Gwangi

      Agreed. And I would bet a year’s salary that the Muslim murderer who beheaded this innocent journalist is from the London area and went to college and then probably university there, where he was radicalised on campus by Islamic extremists.
      These jihadi recruiters are, incredibly, still allowed to operate on the campuses of British colleges and universities – and all because the ‘politically correct’ ‘liberal’ hypocrites who run them seem to believe that intolerance should always be tolerated so long as it comes from anyone with a dark skin and a religion.
      I bet that when this vile murdering British Muslim is identified, we shall see that he went to a college like Newham or similar and then maybe went to Greenwich university (like the killers of Lee Rigby), East London university or another 4th rate polytechnic with a majority of ethnic minorities and a management pandering to Muslims always, no matter what they do or say on campus. I have seen this all before. No doubt we shall see it again too. J’accuse. I would like to see the negligent and complacent incompetents who allow Islamic extremism to thrive at UK collegs and universities arrested, charged and imprisoned.

    • Mynydd

      Why just English people, don’t the people of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland count anymore.

      • Holly

        I think it boils down to there being, more ‘noses to rub’ diversity in to in England.
        Wales and Scotland at the time were more…erm…accepting to lefty thinking.
        Clueless on NI, but hey ho, can’t know everything eh.

    • West Point

      So which party’s immigration policy do you support?

  • http://i-squared.blogspot.co.uk/ Katabasis

    Great.
    And what’s he going to do. Will he recall the warning below from five+ years ago or just carry out more ineffectual hand wringing? –

    ‘CIA warns Barack Obama that British terrorists are the biggest threat to the US’
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/4550144/CIA-warns-Barack-Obama-that-British-terrorists-are-the-biggest-threat-to-the-US.html

    • Blindsideflanker

      Devolution, selling out of our sovereignty to the EU, Multiculturalism, and spawning terrorists are all products of the same source , a weak, feeble and decadent governing class.

      It is said that extremism and terrorism fill the vacuum of a failing state.

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