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Boris Johnson lays down the gauntlet to David Cameron

6 August 2014

5:44 PM

6 August 2014

5:44 PM

Much has been made of the news that Boris Johnson intends to return to parliament at next year’s general election. The announcement, made in the Q&A session after his speech about London, Britain and the European Union, has got Westminster all hot and bothered. But another of Boris’s answers in that session also deserves to be highlighted.

Gerard Lyons’s report for the mayor sets out 8 key points of European reform, ranging from changing the relationship between the Eurozone and non-eurozone countries, to the completion of the single market, to halting unnecessary regulations. But Boris went much further than this when responding to a question from Peter Wilding, director of the in-at-all-costs campaign British Influence. Boris gave a list of specific reforms that he wanted to see:

  • Scrap social and environmental legislation
  • Scrap the Common Agriculture Policy
  • Put justice and home affairs back as an intergovernmental competence
  • Strike out the provision for ever closer union
  • A yellow card system for national parliaments
  • Managed migration so that Britain has greater control over immigration
  • Completion of the single market in services

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This is a serious agenda for reform and renegotiation. The mayor’s answer was part of a characteristically polite slap-down of Peter, who was trying to suggest that the EU had already agreed to much of the reform agenda in the Lyons report. Boris argued that if these reforms could be achieved then:

Maybe, maybe we’re going to win this argument, in which case I would be all too happy to campaign for a ‘Yes’, which, by the way, shows the wisdom of David Cameron in leading this argument.’

We now have a clear idea of what the mayor thinks a new deal with the EU should look like. It covers a broad range of polices, all of which have strong public support. But this list could also be seen as a challenge. It shows what the PM must deliver by 2017 to secure the backing of the likes of Boris and other Eurosceptic heavyweights, like Michael Gove and Philip Hammond who are on record as being willing to vote ‘Out’ if powers are not repatriated.

There is a desire for many of these reforms across the continent; but whether they are delivered will likely determine how a large group of Conservative MPs campaign in any referendum. And now we know that that group of MPs will almost certainly include Boris Johnson.

Matthew Elliott is Chief Executive of Business for Britain.

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  • Mynydd

    Mr Johnson has taken four years to make up his own mind over the simple matter of standing for parliament. My question therefore is, how long will it take him to make a decision on an international crisis if he became Prime Minister?. Like Mr Cameron, Mr Johnson does not understand EU time, it will take more than eighteen months to agree the title of the proposed treaty change. For each and every country there is at least one EU policy that they don’t want changing. For example, British farmers’ will not accept changes to the CAP unless they get increased farm hand outs, therefore no British government will accept scrapping CAP.

  • Denis_Cooper

    “A yellow card system for national parliaments”

    Doesn’t he know there’s already a yellow card system for national parliaments?

    However it has a small defect, that the Commission thinks it should decide when there’s been a yellow card:

    http://euobserver.com/justice/121959

    “National parliaments opposed to creating an EU-wide prosecutor want the European Commission to rework its flagship proposal, but EU officials say it is likely to go ahead.

    Chambers in 11 national parliaments got enough votes to trigger a so-called “yellow card” procedure when they filed their complaints to Brussels earlier this week.”

    “An EU official told this website that: “Formally, the number of votes was reached to trigger the yellow card procedure.”

    But they added: “It is the commission that decides if there has been a yellow card or not and what would be the consequences.””

  • Denis_Cooper

    http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=85119

    “Immigration: Johnson living on another planet”

    • dado_trunking

      But we all know that London is another planet.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …your army of sockpuppets are going to need another planet for themselves soon, eh lad?

  • Ordinaryman

    Of course his policies “have strong public support”. Nothing like telling people what they want to hear in an effort to win their vote.

  • swatnan

    The knives are out for Boris. Everyone that is anyone will beout to get him. It’ll be Orient Express all over again. ‘Et Tu Dave and George’?

  • Chingford Man

    “This is a serious agenda for reform and renegotiation.”

    I imagine much of this requires unanimity amongst the member states? More chance of me getting into the Bullingdon.

  • Monima O’Connor

    Boris is just posturing as all politicians do. A nice headline and it is easy to get them when your network is at the very top level in Fleet Street ( or should one use ‘Wapping’ these days?).I don’t believe him AT ALL.

  • JonBW

    Apart from point 7 (which is the least indicative of ‘euroscepticism’) Ican’t see the rest of the EU agreeing to any of those objectives.

    So i think the renegotiation becomes a bit of an empty gesture…

    • telemachus

      Forget renegotiation
      The next administration has no intentions in this direction

      • HookesLaw

        Say that a bit louder please.

  • anyfool

    Boris Johnson lays down the gauntlet to David Cameron
    Rubbish, Boris will not stand against Cameron, the Tory Party will not need a gauntlet if Cameron fails to win a majority he will be out on his ear, Boris has thrown down the gauntlet to Osborne and that no hoper May.
    Still it has deflected attention from that woman, her name has slipped my mind, but more importantly the minds of the media goldfish.

    • telemachus

      Sayeeda son
      Sayeeda

      • Smithersjones2013

        Risible

        • telemachus

          A lady of principle who vocalised the thoughts of middle Britain

          • Alexsandr

            A electoral failure who cared only for Muslims

    • HookesLaw

      The notion of laying down gauntlets is all in the mind of the writer.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …yes, I agree. No need for laid-down gauntlets, only the spike to mount Call Me Dave’s head, 9.0 months from now .

        Goodness, it is really getting down to only 9 months away, lad?

      • Wessex Man

        Now listen here Ho zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • Smithersjones2013

    Much as it is an admirable list I can already hear the contempt with which it will be dismissed with by the likes of Juncker, Von Rompuy, Schulz and Redding.

    And this is the problem with Johnson’s approach for those who are desperate to cling to Brussels coattails. There is absolutely no chance that Brussels will agree to it (the idea that 28 nations will all benefit from such reforms is highly dubious.)

    Now assuming that the list Boris has identified delivers the benefits identified for London if those reforms are not all delivered then withdrawal (with an open outward foreign policy) will likely become the most beneficial option. Now as I understand it that is the option that secessionists are proposing.

    Withdrawal then becomes the preferred alternative

    • telemachus

      You know well that all this is hypothetical pap
      Douglas Alexander will have none of these, indeed he will promote more integration

      • Smithersjones2013

        What you mean he of the ‘Young Burks’ who made Hague look good?

        Well I do hope he does because nothing will strengthen the Eurosceptic cause more than Europhiliac Labour intransigence

        • telemachus

          The levers of power Smithers
          Forget the minority of Eurosceptics

          • Smithersjones2013

            It won’t be a minority anymore if Labour do as you speculate…..

            • telemachus

              On the contrary
              Folks will begin to appreciate the multiple benefits

              • girondas2

                How’s Iraq going for you telemachus?
                Enough dead people for you yet?

                • Alexsandr

                  no. they are not jews.
                  the left hate israel.

              • girondas2

                Telemachus, a man who will lie about war will lie about anything.
                So tell me telemachus, why would anyone here listen to a word you say?

    • HookesLaw

      And the only way that will happen is to vote conservative, Labour will not offer a referendum.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …goodness, well, you best not split the UKIP vote then, lad, if that’s what has you terrified .

      • Mynydd

        Not quite right, Labour are committed by, an act of parliament, to offer a referendum if powers are transferred from the UK to the EU

  • saffrin

    Boris, the latest participant to join the LibLabCon’s playing for time game.
    Boris, both EU Presidents have made it perfectly plain there is no renegotiation.
    It’s In or Out and we all know LibLabCon are for staying in regardless.

    • telemachus

      Because they have our interests at heart

      • saffrin

        The UK has been in decline since we joined.
        We had almost 100% employment remember?
        Today’s EU has 26% unemployment….according to some guy on the telly.
        We could be trading with the World on our own terms yet Brussels won’t let us.

  • The Masked Marvel

    Every time Boris breaks wind it’s a new post. But he’s not getting special treatment or anything.

    • telemachus

      Boris does not break wind
      *
      The Gods do not do such

      • Alexsandr

        there are 2 types of people
        those who f art and those who lie.

        • telemachus

          You have finally nailed him

          • Alexsandr

            yes, but which are you?

            • telemachus

              Come sit next to me son

    • Smithersjones2013

      Oh come on he used to edit this rag. Of course he will get preferential treatment

      • The Masked Marvel

        Yes, I know. I’m just moaning because I have seriously mixed feelings about him, lately trending towards the negative.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          Yes, the vulture knows Dave is doomed, and he’s planning on feasting on the carcass. But it’s not like he’s self-serving or anything .

          • Holly

            Dave isn’t ‘doomed’.
            He will not suffer if he is no longer party leader, MP or Prime Minister.
            Financially secure enough to move on, and no doubt move up from where he is today.
            We sit here year in, year out, watching them come, and watching them go. Are we any better off after they have gone?
            They on the other hand…

            • Wessex Man

              Wise words indeed but when Ukip get in there knocking heads together it is going to change.

          • The Masked Marvel

            Which is one of the reasons why one can be forgiven for thinking that personal character for a politician (i.e. what they get up to in private life) is important, and relevant to how they go about the business of leadership and government. I do happen to agree with the telemocker on this truffle he’s found. If their wives and family can’t trust them, why should I? If they say one thing and do another – repeatedly – why should I trust them with my money or my liberty?

            Other examples:

            A politician who stabs his own brother in the back in a quest for power.

            A politician who lies about his past, lies in his autobiography, and lies when caught revealing his true ideological beliefs on the campaign trail.

            I’ll let somebody else do the Blair gag here. I can’t be bothered.

            Then there’s Boris’s waffling populism and Nanny-State tendencies. At least he seems to have some sanity regarding the false prophecies of Warmism. But writing columns from the soapbox or stammering and giggling through chummy sessions with Paxman isn’t the same thing as taking real heat. Is he really capable of doing the courageous things necessary to right the ship? His tenure as Mayor doesn’t give one much confidence there. Being a congenital Tory simply isn’t enough, as Cameron has shown over and over.

        • telemachus

          You mean you are not enamoured to have a serial philanderer as PM

          • Alexsandr

            i dont care about his sexual habits as long as he can run a government properly.
            Not sure Boris could. But he is not worse than many in westminster.

    • Holly

      I would not vote for Boris, ever.
      He, like Idiot boy, have not earned the right to lead anyone.
      Although, Boris has at least had a bit more experience of the political workings of b*ll sh1tery that has crept into politics since 1997.

      The MSM, and the Westminster bubble bods, are practically prematurely ‘evaluating’, to get a word from these two. It is pityful.
      Hyping one up as, a ‘blonde-mop buffoon’, saviour of the Conservative party, and the other as, a hypocritical, bandwagon jumping, opportunist, ‘under-dog of the Labour party, then fail to understand why we are so underwhelmed by the pair of them. They understand even less when we disagree with THEIR ‘take’ on things.

      The media, in all it’s forms, in this country has been pretty much reduced to the level of a primary school playground.. Which is understandable for the Blair generation I suppose, but the older one’s should know better, but they are villified for ‘speaking out of turn’ if they do not obey.

      • The Masked Marvel

        They’re both bandwagon-jumping opportunists, I think. The media love Boris because they enjoy his act, he’s usually accessible, and gives a good quote,. They love Miliband because they must support Labour and/or because he gives good train wrecks with which they can fill the day’s news cycle.

  • George_Arseborne

    This is bad news for George Osborne. Cameron kicked out of Number 10 next May, will spark a leadership battle. Osborne thought he was the natural Leader in waiting, but things has change with Boris the clown coming in.

    • telemachus

      It will be Ms May

  • LadyDingDong

    Westminster bubble piffle about two balding men fighting over a toothless comb. Why nothing on the genocide being perpetrated in Iraq by those peace-loving ISIS freedom fighters against the 40,000 Yezidis? Where are the Hamas lovers now, or is it only a crime when a democratic nation defends itself against murderous Muslim fanatics, and not when the Islamists exterminate one of the oldest cultures on earth?

    • telemachus

      Are you referring to the kiddie and sick folk bombers

      • Alexsandr

        get your priorities right. The scale of the atrocities in syria/iraq is massive compared to gaza.
        and the Ebola virus has the makings of a worldwide pandemic.
        but they dont have the benefit of a lefty jew hating fest like Gaza. Cos the left have hated the jews since Proudhon, Fourier and Marx

        • telemachus

          The Israeli State is meant to abide by ethical principles and purports Western Civilisation
          How on earth can they not see the disproportionate nature of their actions day on day despite the advice from friends like Kerry

          • Alexsandr

            i dont accept your premise that they have been disproportionate. They could have flattened gaza 3 times over.

            • telemachus

              The Palestinian death toll in Gaza stands at more than 1,800, with nearly 10,000 wounded, Gaza’s Health Ministry said Sunday. More than 300 children have died, the ministry has reported, as the United Nations repeatedly raises concerns about the high number of deaths in Gaza.
              *
              3 Israeli civilian deaths

              • Alexsandr

                there has been no analysys of how many Gazan deaths are due to Hamas – executuons, ‘friendly fire’ etc, and also how many are due to using human shields.

                • telemachus

                  That is the narrative
                  The reality is a defenceless people crammed into the Gaza ghetto subject to economic blockade and abandoned by the civilised world
                  *
                  Add to that mix the genocidal tendencies of the nearest Western State and you have hopeless misery

                • Alexsandr

                  genocidal? I suppose you are an apologist for the Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas/ISIS murdering tripartite sponsored by Iran and Quatar? All have vowed to destroy Israel, a country the size of Wales? The Islamic world that stretches from Islamabad to Marrakesh bullied by 8m israelis, 20% of them Arabs? What parallel universe are you posting from?

                • telemachus

                  That is not the issue
                  The US will absolutely guarantee that nuclear armed Israel is not physically threatened
                  There is no need to crush the Gazans

                • Alexsandr

                  yeah, and when ISIS get to the golan heights or even get into S lebanon. what then?

                • telemachus

                  Then proportionate or even obliterative action will be appropriate
                  But as I keep saying the issues are totally divorced

                • Alexsandr

                  say what you want. they are inextricably linked.

                • ButcombeMan

                  The US was not able to help with the upcoming multi tunnel attack.

                • Wessex Man

                  Well I’m not an apologist for Muslims, in fact I’ve been campaigning for a similar air lift of the Christans in Iraq and Syria as was done with the Asians in Uganda back in the seventies.

                  I never ever agree with the slimeball that is telemachus but I do agree with growing numbers of Americans and Brits that Israel’s attacks on Gaza are entirely excessive in the extreme and are turning people who stood up for Israel before brooking no argument against Israel.

                  Hamas don’t and will never have the capacity to raze entire sections of Gaza in the way that shown every day.

                • Holly

                  I hope you keep up your ramblings’.
                  They bring to light the real problem.
                  People are becoming more aware of what is going on in the world, where the groups of nutjob Muslims, are brutally killing other groups of Muslims, and anyone else they think are ‘infidels’, yet you fail to understand that unless you wholeheartedly take on their agenda you too will be their enemy.
                  More likely than not, they already look upon you as their enemy.
                  Keep up the good work tele, you, and your insane cohorts have managed to change my thinking in a week.

          • Dr. Heath

            More racist bilge. Israel is supposed to conduct itself according to the ethical principles that some entity called “Western Civilisation” adheres to.

            But, of course, the most appalling and hideous forms of barbarism imagineable are perfectly acceptable elsewhere. Western Civilisation appears to be an option that progressives expect to be taken up only by far cleverer, nicer people who, wouldn’t you know it, all happen to be white people living in the secularist West.

            Throughout the latest crisis in Gaza, hundreds more rockets were fired towards Israel, a nation whose leaders expressly said that they would respond by attacks on Gaza that, because of the weaponry used, would have to be “disproportionate”. The idea that it is barbaric to invite such appalling retaliation on the heads of Palestinian children knowing full well that the world’s largest Arabic nation, Egypt, conspires to lock them into the Gaza strip apparently never occurs to certain proponents of the values “Western Cvilisation”. Are imbecility and support for the values of “Western Civilisation” co-morbid?

            Hamas, one of its spokesmen explained, sees this all working towards a South African style solution. Whatever Hamas does, however many of its own subjects are slaughtered, will be excused, he said. Whatever Israel does will so utterly condemn it in international opinion that its eventual annihilation and replacement by an islamist and Jew-free paradise [yes, the bloke did say this, in English] will be guaranteed and Israel’s disappearance, like that of the South African apartheid political system, will go unmourned.

            The Israeli operation, from Hamas’s point of view, was, said its spokesman, a great Hamas success. Not because of the nearly two thousand corpses, of course, but because of the opprobrium it earned Israel and the fact that the total annihilation of Israel [and all those Jews] was that much closer as a result.

            • Colonel Mustard

              The collective left are always much more interested in criticising Western governments that can be deemed “imperialist” and turn a blind eye to the crimes and oppressions of others. It is why we are never allowed to forget Bloody Sunday but the IRA “disappeared” are conveniently forgotten. It is why hugely expensive public inquiries are held and re-held to wallow in Tory guilt whilst the IRA have never surrendered their weapons and the Mid-Staffs victims remain only as faceless statistics in a report. It is why the BBC can suppress a report on their coverage of Palestine and apparently get away with it. It is why the cretinous mobs prepared to shout and scream about Israel never utter a peep about North Korea.

              Despite throwing their weight around and taking over most of our institutions and much of the narrative they still see themselves as “insurgents” in a “struggle” (zzzzzzz) so they have an immediate affinity with any other group that adopts that label, whether it is the IRA or Hamas or ISIS or some other murdering gang of terrorists who can be excused by blaming their victims for failing to “embrace” them. Some of the more unhinged advocates of the left even express an admiration for mass-murderers like Stalin and Mao as “strong leaders” and attempt to revise or downplay their crimes against humanity.

              It’s repulsive. The romanticism for the Red Flag represents much for them to be deeply ashamed about. But shame to lefties is always something to throw at their opponents never to express about themselves, despite a very long and densely packed catalogue of appalling crimes and misdemeanours committed in the name of their wretched ideology.

              • telemachus

                Are not you glad that .telemachus is a democrat

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Don’t make me laugh. You are just a nasty little Lieborg troll who posts repetitive lies and attempts to bully anyone who doesn’t share your warped and twisted ideology of supporting terrorists.

            • telemachus

              The rogue Israeli State should behave itself in a civilised manner if we are to accord the same the considerations it craves

              • Holly

                Looks like some have woken up to the nutjobs slautering anyone and everyone they come across, because they will forever shun their nonsense.
                Where’s Blair, and Miliband with their hollow lecturing.
                Where’s wee Dougie?
                As for Galloway, well WTF are the police!?
                Yorkshire IS NOT the same as the south, or hasn’t Galloway worked that bit out yet.

    • you_kid

      May I draw your attention back to topic – the unbroken band of consecutive Scottish PMs (since you_kid records began) must be broken, given the possible YES scenario. Today marks a very important day in the future history of those who call themselves English.

      • HookesLaw

        As ever youn talk cobblers.

        • you_kid

          Hooky. Luv. Cutie. Awwwww. You’re a good egg.
          Have a look at the real world scenario with regards to BoJo’s list below. I felt I had to confirm the outcome today.
          No point spending *another* 18 months deliberating about what the EU’s response might/could/would/will be.
          Took me five minutes …

    • Colonel Mustard

      But note how this relatively innocuous story has triggered frenzied responses from the resident Labour and EU trolls. No less than 30 comments from the serial communist creepoid and apologist for terrorism telemachus, all but one tagging the comments of others. And the duty troll from the Mad Euro-Hatter’s disruption cell has posted more tripe than usual, but tripe that warrants notice as it reveals much about what they do here and why.

      • telemachus

        The original first post on this thread was from .telemachus giving a seven point rebuttal of the Johnson nonsense I-love-myself speech
        I suggest you relinquish the self appointed role as high sheriff and address the issues
        *
        Let it be on record that .telemachus despises terrorists but decries also the actions that induces terrorists to pursue their wicked deeds, the most blatant at present being a rogue western state in the Levant

      • Mynydd

        Why complain about others when you are tagging the comment of LadyDingDong

        • Colonel Mustard

          She doesn’t mind, you Lieborg doofus. She up-ticked me.

          Besides when it comes to tagging a single tag is hardly on the scale of that other deranged, deluded and mighty bore telemachus. The fact that you can’t discern between one and 29 tells us all we need to know about Welsh Labour. Covered up any more good scandals lately?

          High Sheriff indeed. Says Marshal Whata Twerp who ranges up and down Coffee House main street making sure anything he disagrees with is tagged with Lieborg propaganda.

          • Mynydd

            Don’t do as I do, do as I say

            • Colonel Mustard

              Has it escaped your notice that I posted my comment after and in reaction to seeing 30 tagged comments from your comrade in one thread?

              You then tag my comment (as usual).

              You people really are something when it comes to hypocrisy and twisting the truth but in your case I think it is just STUPIDITY of mammoth proportions.

              • telemachus

                All Ad Hominem
                Mynidd

  • The_Missing_Think

    “Boris gave a list of specific reforms”.
    _____

    Boris gave a list of flying pig maneuvers.

    • telemachus

      Quite

  • Alexsandr

    i can hee frau frump liking that list…
    remember we would have to get all these changes through QMV
    so that will be a no from the EU then
    then what Boris?

    • telemachus

      It will not be up to Boris
      Or Dave
      Or Phil H
      *
      Douglas Alexander will be a force right at the centre, making Britain’s voice count

      • Alexsandr

        not if the sweaties vote yes he won’t

        he is useless anyway.

        • telemachus

          Las night taught us the 41 seats are safe

          • Alexsandr

            but the west lothian question remains. and if they give Edinburgh more power the question must be resolved.
            an english assembly of whatever structure will not be a good place for labour.

            • telemachus

              The conservative nature of parliamentarians means that happily the WL question will not be answered anytime soon

              • Ordinaryman

                What’s happening!! I’m agreeing with you again. Must go and lie down until this stops.

            • Mynydd

              After four years of Mr Cameron’s government the West Lothian question remains unanswered. Labour’s solution of regional assemblies, along the lines of the Welsh Assembly, was turned down by English voters. If you want an English Assembly get out campaign for it, just like the people of Scotland and Wales did. There are no free hand outs just because you are English, get out and work for it.

          • Ordinaryman

            Oh dear! I’ve ended up agreeing with you on something.

          • Holly

            Not if Galloway gets his way.

      • Holly

        Can’t say I’ve seen much of this Labour halfwit lately.
        Too busy hiding behind Warsi eh?

    • you_kid

      Not only is it not up to Boris, that list in the real world will ‘perform’ as follows:

      1) environmental legislation: we all love the EU Air Quality Directive. No one who matters doesn’t.

      2) scrap common agriculture? Forget it. We all want our ham/
      Jamon Iberico/ Bockwurst/ Fasola/ Danish bacon/ Prosciutto (yes pork haters, ham) and eat it.

      3) justice and home affairs – what are you on about? Britain stores emails and data, not Europe.

      4) strike out ever closer union – forget it. It will happen when it needs to happen.

      5) yellow cards – QMV all the way, lads

      6) managed migration – every nation manages that. Why we manage it the way we do was explained many times. We need their money.

      7) single market of services – with a new centre of finance in Frankfurt?

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …can you have your fellow EUSSR nutters translate this socialist gibberish, lad?

        • you_kid

          You mean the islamofascist, communist, green, press-controlling, windmill-selling, bolshevik, catholic, faceless Bruxelles bureaucrat, pork-hater hating ones that will all simultaneously take over England and take all rights away from the indigenous … or was it the communist, catholic, islamofascist, faceless Bruxelles bureaucratic, bolshevik, pork-hater hating, press-controlling, green windmill selling one who is certain to deprive you of your last will/rights/liberty all at the same time in a coordinated effort to turn this nation into an catholic, islamofascis, green, faceless bureaucratic, pork-hater hating, bolshevik, press-controlling, communist state?
          NURSE! Double dose for this cracker jack …

          • the viceroy’s gin

            …you don’t need to bother translating this gibberish though. It’s far too wordy and nobody’s interested.

  • telemachus

    Scrap social and environmental legislation
    – Ask the disadvantaged and Home Counties Nimbys about this
    Scrap the Common Agriculture Policy
    – Ask our own farmers about this
    Put justice and home affairs back as an intergovernmental competence
    – Ask those targeted for political reasons about this
    Strike out the provision for ever closer union
    – Ask those with a forward world vision about this
    A yellow card system for national parliaments
    – Ask about the reciprocal view here for Romania
    Managed migration so that Britain has greater control over immigration
    – Ask all responsible employers about this
    Completion of the single market in services
    – Ask outward looking entrepreneurs about this
    *
    Boris has joined the little englanders

    • Alexsandr

      wanting to be outside the corrupt and useless EU is not turning your back on anything. It certainly is not anti Europe. its just anti an artificial construct.
      so shut up about little englanders.

      • telemachus

        When I was a boy my father told me that England was the best country in the world
        That was before the winds of change
        Just what do we replace the Empire with
        Or are you content to contract into little england

        • Alexsandr

          Australia and India seem to have done OK without being in the EU. You do well these days by trading in the world. I believe we can do so much better on the world economic stage without the straitjacket that is the EU

          • telemachus

            Our economy is of a different order and we cannot afford to divorce Eurofinances from the City

        • Kitty MLB

          Your father was right Great Britain was the best
          country in the world.Until Labour wrecked it with
          multiculturalism and tying us to the constipated
          elephant of the EU.And now we are little Britain.
          But yes, the winds of change is in the air.And that doesn’t bode too well for your bunch ,
          old wasp!

          • telemachus

            Or was it until Keith Joseph decimated our industry

            • Alexsandr

              were you even born then? It was red robbo and his ilk, and many years of useless governments under wilson and Callahagn that did it.

              • telemachus

                Look at the figures of manufacturing decline from 1981

                • Alexsandr

                  its manufacturing employment thats gone. manufacturing output is up

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_in_the_United_Kingdom#Recent_trends_in_British_manufacturing

                  we dont need the huge workforces to make stuff anymore. we have robots.now

                • telemachus

                  Then what about the misery of youth unemployment engendered

                • Alexsandr

                  that is a moot point. Much youth unemployment is IMHO due to too much immigration. And dumbing down of our education system.

                • telemachus

                  The latter accelerated by Gove
                  The vast majority of immigrants are in employment and more productive than indiginous

                • Alexsandr

                  gove was the first education minister interested in the kids and not the providers and should be applauded. He resisted the dead hand of the teaching unions.

                  not sure where you get your figures for your second statement from.

                • telemachus

                  Second first
                  Treasury figures January 2014
                  First
                  Gove’s ethereal plan may sound good until you look at the Social Darwinism he was pursuing

                • Ordinaryman

                  I think your second paragraph regarding immigrant labour may be related to the “misery of youth employment” you commented about earlier. Have you fallen on your sword?

                • Andy

                  And manufacturing declined more under your Fascist Party government.

    • Smithersjones2013

      I see your first thought is to look after vested interests then? How quaint….

      • Andy

        How typical.

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