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A recall of Parliament now looks even more likely

8 August 2014

10:01 AM

8 August 2014

10:01 AM

It is becoming increasingly difficult to see how Parliament will make it through the summer recess without being recalled. This morning has brought two good reasons for MPs to return to the House of Commons: President Obama has announced air strikes against ISIS in order to prevent a genocide of the Yazidis and Israel is resuming military action in Gaza after militants fired rockets into Israel. The IDF has been ordered to retaliate strongly to the violation of the ceasefire.

James wrote at the start of this recess that ‘few MPs and ministers expect to make it through to September without the House being recalled because of the grim international situation’, and a few weeks into that recess, this seems more, not less, likely.

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Today Michael Fallon is chairing COBR on the Yazidis. The Prime Minister said this morning that ‘I have tasked officials to urgently establish what more we can do to provide help to those affected, including those in grave need of food, water and shelter in the Sinjar area’.

David Cameron also said he agrees that ‘we should stand up for the values we believe in’, concluding his statement:

‘I welcome President Obama’s decision to accept the Iraqi government’s request for help and to conduct targeted US airstrikes, if necessary, to help Iraqi forces as they fight back against ISIL terrorists to free the civilians trapped on Mount Sinjar. And I fully agree with the President that we should stand up for the values we believe in – the right to freedom and dignity, whatever your religious beliefs.’

But on another matter, his party has bigger fissures in it than before after the departure of Baroness Warsi over the government’s response to the situation in Gaza. Some Tory MPs are becoming increasingly vocal about their doubts that ministerial colleagues are standing up for the values they believe in when communicating with the Israeli government. It may be on issue or all that increases the pressure for a return to Westminster, even though Number 10 would like to avoid such a situation. But this morning it looks even less likely that Downing Street will succeed in avoiding a recall.

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  • Stephen Milroy

    Too little, far too late. ISIS should have been bombed back to the stone age they so love months if not years ago. As it is, ancient Christianity lies in ruins and the west bears a big responsibility, but they don’t care.

  • BoiledCabbage

    ‘we should stand up for the values we believe in’

    ESPECIALLY in Tower Hamlets!

  • Roger Hudson

    When you plot islamic extremism on a map you realise that the global crisis is coming to a head, we must soon be fully confronting all terror groups militarily and any people who support them will have to be dealt with as we dealt with Germans in the UK in late 1939. I know some German jews were wrongly held and peaceful muslims will need to be treated carefully but soon it will be a stark choice, with the ‘British Way and Purpose’ or against and sympathetic to caliphate/wahabi evil.
    Forget the Ukraine sideshow, Putin needs to be on side, bringing his might to the fight on the side fighting islamification.

  • Shorne

    I appreciate that this does not relate directly to this article but I have just come across this
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVfvMZUYPCY

    Anybody seen it shown on any UK Channel? Silly question perhaps
    The reporter, Sreenivasan Jain, (top man in my opinion) wrote in the text that accompanied the video report on NDTV’s website, it was published “after our team left the Gaza strip – Hamas has not taken very kindly to any reporting of its rockets being fired. But just as we reported the devastating consequences of Israel’s offensive on Gaza’s civilians, it is equally important to report on how Hamas places those very civilians at risk by firing rockets deep from the heart of civilian zones.”

    • Alexsandr

      NDTV deserve congratulating in not giving way to Hamas threats.

  • Augustus

    “It is becoming increasingly difficult to see how Parliament will make it through the summer recess without being recalled….”

    Silly me, there was I thinking that members of Parliament thought the Islamic State folk were space aliens. Hamas, on the other hand, we know are seen as freedom fighters, working to remove the blockade for the good of the people of Gaza. And, unlike the Islamic State people, Hamas operatives are seen as righteous. No good, then, trying to explain that they’re one and the same.

    • Damaris Tighe

      I’ve a nasty feeling that for ‘balance’ the international community will come down hard on Israel as well as attacking ISIS, so they can say they’re not anti-Islam.

    • evad666

      Where’s Dave?
      Blair used to be in Tuscany Dave’s in Portugal.
      Now where did Winston take his holidays?

  • Smithersjones2013

    This morning has brought two good reasons for MPs to return to the House of Commons:

    Well only if Cameron has something credible to say. Given his foreign policy has been as much an abject failure as Blair’s (being very similar in its complete lack of medium to long term planning) and increasingly is now in tatters that seems highly unlikely……..

    From economic policy omnishables to foreign policy omnihambles

    • chui1996

      £58000000 (58 million) a pittance

  • MajorFrustration

    And leaders of the Arab world are doing what exactly? I am inclinded to agree with LadyDingDong with one addition – given that we do not know a good Muslim from a bad Muslim why not bomb Mecca and then at least we would know that we would be fighting the entire Muslim world.

    • Alexsandr

      if iSIS attack israel that may happen. they have missiles and neuclear capability.

  • Diggery Whiggery

    If they want airstrikes fine, but the end problem is still the same. How can you create the stable institutions after the conflict? In a country like Iraq that isn’t really a country, how can you find that common demos necessary to form a democracy?

    The west as a whole also needs to be careful of its own demos which is far more fragile than we might think.

    We will never be able to build a peaceful Iraq until we contemplate the division of Irag or it’s transformation into a decentralized federation. However, the USA proves that even that does not stay stable for long.

    • Colonel Mustard

      It is more fundamental than that. This is about a worldwide revolutionary movement that poses a greater threat to peace and stability than communism, but former communists and their fellow travellers in this country are aiding and abetting it, deliberately or misguidedly.

      Even Cameron is trying to square the circle of domestic polarisation with foreign policy. That tightrope act is the result of previous UK government policies and decisions that were reckless or incompetent, storing up future trouble so that politicians could feel smug about their platitudes.

      War and disorder is coming. Cameron should be using evert penny to re-arm, not hoping we can get by with territorial reserves and an aircraft carrier with no aircraft. The police should be investing in seriously effective internal security techniques not the balaclava-wearing mob shambles they currently preside over or arresting people on Twitter.

      • Blindsideflanker

        It is not just about militarily squashing ISIS and the Jihadists, we also need to squash them intellectually, give them no place to hide, either territorially or ideologically .

        Unfortunately the institutional self loathing from the British establishment combined with their moral cowardice dressed up as tolerance, means we are being forced to accept the Jihadists agenda. For example, here in the home of Common Law, where you might expect the British Establishment to defend it tooth and nail, instead roll over and give room to the backward, bigoted, loathsome Sharia Law. In fact we have that fool Cameron praise Warsi for piloting Islamic finance through Parliament.

        • Colonel Mustard

          I agree. But in reality intellectuality is put aside when push comes to shove as in 1939 and then it is the big battalions that matter.

          Cameron is prevaricating intellectually at the same time as he is dithering and hamstringing militarily. He is like Chamberlain in 1938 without the drive to re-arm in 1934. The British will come to rue the day.

          • Alexsandr

            well we can start telling people that there is no god, allah or whatever and its pointless praying, waving ones ar$e in the air on fridays, and that there is no heaven, no 72 virgins/raisins for them. And that to say one is a Muslim means that one supports the vile acts of jihadis in the mid east, the slaying of lee rigby and blowing up tube trains.

        • Makroon

          To be fair, the “British Establishment” has much to be self-loathing about.

          • Smithersjones2013

            I agree but the problem is it is not themselves they loath but the rest of us.

    • Blindsideflanker

      Iraq a multicultural country that is falling apart.

      And what do they want to create here in the UK? A multicultural country, and as we see from the tribalism it has spawned, the country is already beginning to fray at the edges.

      • Colonel Mustard

        Spot on. They were and are fools. Unfortunately they won’t be the ones paying the piper.

      • Inverted Meniscus

        Well said but it would take vision, courage, clarity of thought and determination to avoid such problems here and I am afraid we only have a spiteful, dishonest coterie of greedy, duplicitous, cowardly and petty-minded muppets in our parliament.

        • Mynydd

          I agree and its lead player is Mr Cameron our Prime Minister. Anyway parliament wont be recalled until Mr Cameron has finished his holidays

          • Inverted Meniscus

            But better than having a maniac like Gordon Brown or a preposterous imbecile like Miliband. Labour Troll and sycophant.

      • Makroon

        Are you talking about Scotland ?

    • Smithersjones2013

      deleted

    • Conway

      In a country like Iraq that isn’t really a country, how can you find that common demos necessary to form a democracy?” Precisely the point that people make against the EU.

  • Colonel Mustard

    “And I fully agree with the President that we should stand up for the values we believe in – the right to freedom and dignity, whatever your religious beliefs.’”

    Perhaps you should have thought about that before denuding our armed forces of capability in favour of non-emergency foreign aid and subsidising fake charities, you muppet. You are a prince who in war seems willing to expend blood before treasure so you have learned absolutely nothing since about the 14th Century, you muppet.

  • Makroon

    Isabel has forgotten the one “international issue” which actually has a direct bearing on the citizens of these islands – the foolish and self-defeating trade war against Russia instituted by the US and EU, and now joined with enthusiasm by Putin.
    The EU might well be tipped over the edge into recession with direct consequences for the UK.
    What happened to dialogue ? what happened to the WTO ?
    The only factor preventing Putin from suspending over-fly rights is probably Chinese objections.

    But how much more fascinating for Westminster and Washington SPADS are wars in the middle-east cockpit !

    • Smithersjones2013

      They are clearly having serious problems prioritising all these messes they have created. After all no one is talking about Libya either

  • Airey Belvoir

    The Dumbest Question of the Day award goes to Mishal Hussein on the Today prog:
    (discussing the firing of 18 rockets into Israel within minutes of notional ceasefire end)

    “Do we know that it was Hamas who fired the rockets?”

    BBC wishful thinking at its finest!

    • GUBU

      In our rush to condemn the Israelis, we seem oblivious to the fact that the people keenest to get Palestinian civilians killed are Hamas’ leadership.

      They’ve probably realised that they’ll not attract international opprobrium as long as they don’t try to organize any film screenings in Kilburn.

    • evad666

      Mishal Hussein is renown for her pro islamic bias.

  • dado_trunking

    When we are led to believe that radical religious insurgencies are an increasing threat to the nations of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, then why not call upon that organisation to a) change their brief and b) sort it out. Holidays saved.

  • swatnan

    The more I think about the middle east the more I recall those words from ‘Lawrence of Arabia’; The Arabs (and Jews) are a tribal peoples; very tribal, in many ways very backward and fundamentalist conservative peoples that don’t like change but love fighting each other. I am confirmed in that view when I learn about this forgotten tribe the Yazidis the Satanists, and wonder at their strange customs like apostasy and stoning and elopments etc. Very feudal. These are the tribes that Obama wants to defend against the muderous ISIS another tribal medieval, backward peoples.
    And I do wonder why all this military equipment we’re selling to Saudi Aarbia and Jordan and the UAE isn’t being used to defeat ISIS. Maybe they’re saving it up for a rainy day. Its about time Americ awas releved of its responsibility as Defender of the World and these tinpot dictatorships and monarchies of the ME accepted some responsibility to settle their own affairs. So I’m quite relaxed about Britauin keeping out of this mess. When Parliament is recalled there should be a decision to stop all arms sales to the Jews and Arabs, and impose sanctions on the Jews and Arabs.

    • Airey Belvoir

      “How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays
      on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in
      a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.
      The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits,
      slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and
      insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule
      or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and
      refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.

      The fact that
      in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute
      property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the
      final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a
      great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities –
      but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of
      those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.
      Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing
      faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless
      warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered
      in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly
      struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the
      civilisation of ancient Rome.”

      Quoting Winston Churchill (his words above) got an MEP candidate arrested![136][137]

      • Makroon

        Interesting quote. Reflections on his Sudanese experience ?

    • Alexsandr

      why the Jews. they are the only democracy and free society in the mid east. A little country the size of Wales, a beacon in the barkness.

  • Kitty MLB

    Eh and why must parliament be recalled. America have intervened but surely we are
    not actually going to sacrifice more lives and add to the graves of those who dies in the first Iraq war. That Blair was so keen to have and allegedly mislead parliament
    over. But we must defend Israel and the Christians. Oh what evil has Tony Blair unleashed and blood still staining his hands.
    Some might say, we should have a WW3 and finish this evil off. As it will continue to flourish. What is the answer.

    • Holly

      Now you know why I call him one of the four horsemen.
      The other three are out of the loop also, they can now sit back and see all their ‘good’ work unfold.

  • LadyDingDong

    My fervent view is, we should immediately drop supplies to the Yazidis and endangered Christians in Iraq and bomb the daylights out of ISIS. We should also increase support to the Israelis and help them bomb the daylights out of Hamas. It’s about time we stuck it to those Islamist terrorists who are attacking the west and bomb them back into the stone age they crave for all of us infidels.

    • dado_trunking

      That ‘strategy’ didn’t work in Northern Ireland, did it?

      • Colonel Mustard

        Actually it did until people like you f***ed it up by creating a fifth column to aid and abet the enemies of the state. The same in Vietnam.

        • telemachus

          For the love of God
          Give up
          Say something useful

          • GUBU

            Some of us have been asking that of you for years…

          • Colonel Mustard

            My feelings about you precisely. And so?

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Advice best directed toward your ridiculous, fetid, socialist nutter self.

          • Smithersjones2013

            Well we have long since given up on you saying anything useful…..

      • GUBU

        Were there airstrikes or artillery barrages launched against the population of the Bogside? For the life of me, I can’t remember any.

        Such comparisons are often lazy, as well as inexact.

      • Inverted Meniscus

        I dont recall air strikes in NI but then you are not British and no nothing of our history or processes.

        • dado_trunking

          Your history, chuzzlewitz? Come on.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            More gibberish lad? How is the goat and Dalai snd the rest of your sockpuppets?

            • dado_trunking

              Bombing always works, laddie. What works in Gaza today worked in the City and Manchester twenty years back.
              As I say, you know nothing about English history.

              • Inverted Meniscus

                You are an EU troll spouting gibberish from Brussels like the rest of your ludicrous sockpuppets laddie and know nothing of the UK. Go and feed the goat lad.

                • dado_trunking

                  Laddie, we summarise:
                  you come here and repeatedly troll me with your fatuous and insulting and outright WRONG lines and I, dado_trunking from the shires, will blow your fatuous waffle to bits in an instant. You have two options.
                  Option 1: carry on
                  Option 2: climb back into the hole where you came from

                  It is entirely up to you what you choose to do, it has nothing to do with me what you choose to do. But when you decide for yourself to opt for option 1 of the two options presented to you by dado_trunking, then you will be fed the above lines until you pop. Your call.

                  You are not English.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Gibberish as always.

                • GUBU

                  Even worse than that – self regarding gibberish.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Your egotism seems to have run away with you. About 60% of your comments fall into the category of silly nonsense and the remaining 40% are incomprehensible nonsense.

                  Quite an achievement.

                • telemachus

                  .!!

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  I leave you with the thoughts of the Colonel and Gubu.

          • Colonel Mustard

            Hmm. Spot the logic problem with these statements:-

            “That ‘strategy’ didn’t work in Northern Ireland, did it?”

            and then:-

            “I was there when the largest bomb in post war British history blew. Look at the Arndale now!”

            with:-

            “Bombing always works, laddie.”

            Hmm. Apparently Dado the Mad Euro-Hatter believes bombing doesn’t work when it was not done by governments in Northern Ireland but does work when done by terrorists in Manchester. Or something like that.

            • dado_trunking

              No, bombing always clears the air. What then happens is people realise what numpties they have been and inject money. It worked in Belfast, it worked very well in Manchester. It will work elsewhere if we stick to the simplified rule of thumb that violence is an expression of discontent, cannot be avoided, but in the end the lifting of standards brings the change required to live as civilised people. The rest is merely a tease by means of inversion to focus the mind on THIS thought.

              • Colonel Mustard

                But originally you said that strategy (bombing) didn’t work. Here you go:-

                “That ‘strategy’ didn’t work in Northern Ireland, did it?”

                And when challenged that government forces in NI didn’t actually resort to bombing you then gave an example of a terrorist bomb in the UK that you say did work.

                I am discontent about many things, including the prospect of a Labour government that no-one in the shires of England voted for but I would not resort to violence. So you appear to be another who believes in the power of terrorism and seeks to excuse it.

                • dado_trunking

                  No, I do not excuse terrorism. I merely highlighted that there is always a reason for terrorism and that the solution is never bombing but the injection of capital and the lifting of standards.

              • GUBU

                I would like to see you explain this simplified rule of thumb to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and his chums.

                Before they stop teasing and focus your mind on your imminent execution.

                • dado_trunking

                  Extremists must be isolated as outlined elsewhere above/below.

      • Frank

        Actually it did, although we didn’t bomb anyone, we just shot enough PIRA / INLA to get the leaders to come to the table for peace talks.

      • Tom M

        I could relate quite a few places where it most certainly did work. The
        difficulty is that this is a real war (unlike NI) and Israel hasn’t
        been allowed to finish it. They are fighting religious psychopaths who
        have no wish to negotiate. When fighting military fanatics there is only
        one solution.
        General Pershing said, on the armistice of WW1, if we
        stop now we will have to come back and finish it later. We indeed had to
        do that. The principle is clear and there are many more examples I can
        quote if you wish.

        • dado_trunking

          Bilboa, Bosnia, Berlin
          … and that’s just places in Europe beginning with B.

    • Archibald Heatherington

      They’re already there.

      • Holly

        …And ‘THEY’ are already here.

    • telemachus

      We should also increase support to the Israelis and help them bomb the daylights out of Hamas
      They did that
      And brought don the biggest instant of opprobrium on their co-religionists on Europes streets since Krystallnacht

      • Colonel Mustard

        Er, thanks to idiots like you. See my comment above which got you frothing. You precisely demonstrate my point. It would only be useful if notice was taken and people like you were to be kept away from government and the public narrative forever.

      • Inverted Meniscus

        Advice best directed towards your fetid, irrelevant, imbecilic, socialist nutter self.

        • telemachus

          If you wander around NW11 these last 2 Saturday nights you see people frightened at the reaction the Gaza hospital/school situation has made

          • GUBU

            But then staff from your care facility finally catch up with you, and everyone can breathe easily once more.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Why are you wandering around NW11 and frightening people?

            • Smithersjones2013

              He escaped again did he? You just can’t get the security staff anymore……

            • Shazza

              He should have worn a burka.

          • Alexsandr

            if you wander around LS17 you will find people scared by the rise in anti semitism, inflamed by the likes of you.

    • Frank

      It might be more effective to target the Qataris who are the paymasters to Hamas.

      • Alexsandr

        i am sure the Saudis and Iranis are too.
        I would check out UK Muslim charities. We need to know where Zakat goes. And whether it is truly appropriate for charity status and the tax breaks it gets.

  • Martin Keegan

    “It may be on issue or all”?

  • Blindsideflanker

    And what will we get from Parliament being recalled? A lot of hot air? What will they actually do other than pontificate?

    • Holly

      It will be one of the most pointless things that could happen.
      The Labour bods will continue to gripe about the ‘bedroom tax’, and Cameron will say how terrible everything is, how things can not be allowed to go on like this, how he supports the US blah, blah, blah.
      The defence Secretary has not minced his words, he has said, ‘ISIS flag being flown over London is, ‘extremely inappropriate’.
      Jeez that’ll scare ’em.

  • starfish

    Hmmm
    This is how we ended up in Libya
    “Something must be done” is not a substitute for some strategic vision

    • In2minds

      ‘Something must be done’ – Indeed, but as we cannot even control schools in East Birmingham apart from ego inflation what will be done?

      • Holly

        We absolutely rule at the ballot box though.

        • In2minds

          Not in North Birmingham as the same people do ballot rigging!

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