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Yet another Labour attack on McDonald’s employees

2 July 2014

2:16 PM

2 July 2014

2:16 PM

What has Labour got against people who work in McDonald’s? Last week we had Liam Byrne’s burger flip, where he slammed the same fast food employer for which he used to sizzle with praise. Now Andy Burnham has told the Unite conference in Liverpool:

‘What sort of message are we sending out when we say social care is the lowest form of work – lower even than McDonald’s.’

In the UK there are 91,500 people currently employed by McDonald’s, and many of them are at the lower end of the pay scale. These are people that Labour should be trying to win over – not belittling.

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  • http://www.smartrestaurantsolutions.com/ Charlie Stewart

    I hope to better them. I think all labour can get benefit.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    “Liam Byrne in McDonalds”
    I`d sack that caption writer if I were you, Spectator.

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      Doing a retrospective?

  • Gwangi

    Yes, but middle class Labour dames are the biggest snobs going – all have slaves…sorry…servants to do their dirty work (look after kids, clean house, do the recycling), often foreign too – and that, as well as making house prices rise to enrich the house-owners of London, is the real reason so many so-called liberals support immigration). Just look at Yasmin Alibi-Boo – and her rants on the untermenschen of the white working class (who are all drunk, idle, feckless dirt, according to her, who would be better off eliminated from the UK).

    Remember Cherry Blur? She said that if she hadn’t had a good education she’d be working in a shop. Oh no, working in a shop. Lower form of human life then. PAH! As the grandson of a shop manager and shop girl, I would like to slap her hard, the common and vulgar big-mouthed blagging lawyer lie-baby she is.

    Anyway, what I see in McDonalds (which I never visit at home but only when I am on my travels I do) is good – and appropriate for occasional use. Fast food joints are great when you are on the move, want to sit undisturbed, want reasonably priced food in a clean environment with a toilet break). These places are mostly staffed by foreigners because British kids with ‘rispek me’ bad attitude see it as below them to work in such places – why 50% of young black men in booming London are unemployed whilst immigrants can arrive and get a job the same week.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Jamie Oliver successfully sued McDonald`s for selling food unfit for human consumption. Something else that didn`t make it into the censored UK MSM. “Pink slime” was Jamie`s description of McD`s hamburger.
    Jack, Japan Alps

    • Gwangi

      Yes, and Jamie (mwah mwah) boasts about never having read a book all the way through too, Maybe that’s why he is so ignorant as to think the problem is school dinners or fast food joints. No.

      The problem is at home with the (usually) more-often-then-not obese orca-sized ready-meal-munching single mum who doesn’t know how to peel a potato or boil a pea.

      Jamie Oliver has made a massive fortune out of slurping himself onto the moral high ground with his enormous tickly tongue, which sends ignorant gagging women everywhere all a-shivery-leery-shudder.

      Remember please that he used OUR money via the BBC licence fee to establish himself as a TV star – but then had to leave the BBC when his ads for Sainsburys meant the BBC was crossing a line into advertising. Anyway, as it was the licence fee payer who created his career, how about Jamie gives half his massive fortune back to us? Via the BBC (maybe not) or via charities. Come on Jamie! It’d be wicked, pukka and kushti, mate! Bish bash bosh!

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Still washed up on the UK beach with the rest of the trash, right Gwangi?

        • George Smiley

          Jamie Oliver has a Japanese fan-loverboy! Obviously, you have an unbalanced left-wing view of British things by watching too much programmes from the BBC (and not enough from ITV and other channels) through BBC World on satellite. Can’t get UKTV in Japan?! Well, I have some bad news for you! Growing up watching (a few selected programmes of) the BBC from the BBC World doesn’t actually make you British except a bit of a left-wing numpty!

          • red2black

            I’ve tried the commercial channels, but the programmes keep interrupting the adverts. (tee hee)

            • George Smiley

              I have resumed listening to Radio Four again after an hiatus of some 10 to 11 years, alongside with LBC, which I had been listening to solely for a good few years. The left-wing bias is just all too obvious.

              • red2black

                Most people know what they’re in for when they pick up a particular newspaper or tune-in to whichever TV channel.

                • George Smiley

                  I wouldn’t have to be forced to subscribe to the Guardian, the Independent, the New Statesman and the Private Eye in the form of a “newspaper and magazine licence”, so why should I be forced to subscribe to the BBC?!

                • Jackthesmilingblack

                  Hate it and leave it, Jock. Here in Japan, subscribing to NHK is optional.

                • George Smiley

                  Having watched Japanese propaganda broadcast to the British parts of Western Europe on Sky courtesy of the Japanese taxpayer (i.e., your dearly beloved, long-suffering parents and their employers), personally I would rather pay to watch the rubbish from the BBC rather than putting up with your cringeworthy Asian-Californian!

      • George Smiley

        Well, it is easy for him to say, when he is after all a Japanese, and thus don’t have to pay the Television tax, and he can easily change channels if he wants to! Seriously, you are wasting your time on this time-waster! He might tick a few correct boxes on the right “right” things, but he is still an unashamed Lefty, no doubt from watching too much of the BBC World in Japan through satellite! He might like to call himself British, but he is not, is he, so I don’t expect that he really understand half of what we say; he definitely doesn’t pretend to live in this Country anyway!

    • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

      Nonsense. It wouldn’t be Jamie Oliver’s responsibility. He could report them to the Environmental Health Office, or Defra, and they could take action following an investigation.

      McDonald’s would, in any case, be subjected to regular inspections by the EHO and the Trading Standards Authority, to ensure that such breaches were not taking place. One of the legal obligations imposed upon food businesses is to keep a log of the batch numbers of all ingredients used, which identifies where it was produced, so there is always traceability.

      It’s actually not easy to get away with selling food unfit for consumption. It would involve fraudulently faking records, something which just isn’t going to happen in a company as large as McDonalds.

      Can you really imagine the CEO of McDonalds UK, not worrying at all about the damage that will be done to MCDonald’s reputation when this all becomes public, telling the board of directors, “I want you all to arrange to procure meat unfit for human consumption,” and then the directors forget all about ethics and morality, and cheerfully risk jail, to order the buyers. The buyers, despite receiving no benefit beyond their regular salaries, are also quite happy to risk going to jail, and dismiss any qualms about the possibility of killing large numbers of people, and send this bad meat to the managers, who, displaying astonishing loyalty for salaried employees, are also quite happy to risk jail and serve up this bad meat, and to browbeat any humble, low-waged employee into potentially manslaughtering people – and all this for what? So McDonalds shareholders can enjoy a marginally larger dividend? It’s not going to happen.

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        “Victory for Jamie Oliver in the U.S. as McDonald’s is forced to stop using ‘pink slime’ in its burger recipe”
        Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2092127/Jamie-Oliver-Victory-McDonalds-stops-using-pink-slime-burger-recipe.html#ixzz36dU7cx00
        Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

        I accept your apology.
        Jack, Japan Alps

        • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

          Not exactly a law suit,is it? And not exactly “food unfit for human consumption.” Jamie Oliver mounted a campaign on his American TV show against McDonald’s use of a perfectly legal ingredient, and persuaded McDonald’s to change its recipe.

          Now, if you’d said that, I wouldn’t have disagreed with you.

          BTW, you said the news “didn`t make it into the censored UK MSM”. Yet here you are posting links to the Daily Mail about it!

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            You`re just a No Good sore loser, aren`t you, loser.
            Research it yourself. “I`ve never heard it before so it can`t be true.” That`s essentially where you`re coming from, right?

            • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

              So, Jamie Oliver didn’t sue them, the food wasn’t unfit for human consumption, and it was reported in the “censored UK MSM”.

              Apart from that, you’re absolutely correct. My humble apologies.

              Where I’m coming from is that I’ve actually read the article that you linked to, and you plainly haven’t.

              • George Smiley

                He obviously struggles with both the truth and even the English language, is he not?!

                • Jackthesmilingblack

                  …does he not …

                • http://www.ukip.org/index/ George Smiley (deceased)

                  Bored, silly Troll.

        • George Smiley

          Complete misinterpretation by an anonymous Japanese autistic with Tourette’s, schizophrenia, dissociation and probably also some other serious psychiatric problems. Weren’t you the mental case who was arrested for defacing copies of the Japanese translation of Anne Frank’s diaries in a book shop in Japan a few months ago?!

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Every time you look in a mirror you seen a person with very serious mental heath problems. Admit it Jock, your paranoia is getting progressively worse.

            • George Smiley

              Your parents in Japan obviously do not understand or read much English, thus unable to see the silly trolling that their dearly beloved little boy (with more than a few screws loose) has been up to!

              • Jackthesmilingblack

                Be advised, this person is a fool, a liar and a serial fantasist, in addition to being a seriously unpleasant loser. Any publication with moral and ethical standards would gave banned him long ago.

                • George Smiley

                  Silly boy!

                • George Smiley

                  I take that as the closest thing to your tacit admission?!

  • Amir

    Check ths article out about Labour’s last chance:

    http://www.casualpolitics.co.uk/2014/06/is-labour-still-in-the-game/

  • DrWatt

    Once upon a time the Labour Party served a genuine purpose in politics – founded to represent the interests of working-class people – it was a noble cause.

    Today its a party of sneering self-righteous class snobbery. Rich elitist socialist pretenders who don’t give a toss about those workers on low incomes.

    Is it any wonder that UKIP is now the party that is attracting widespread working class support – people who would have once been natural Labour supporters.

  • http://t.co/rXjomKpfUv JP Janson De Couet

    Does Steerpike spend a lot of time stuffing his face at McDonald’s?

    • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

      Maybe he does. What’s your point?

  • GraveDave

    They want the Polish and Asians and Africans to work in McDonalds. Then they can claim that these good people are only doing the jobs the Brits are too idle and above themselves to do.

    • red2black

      Even stranger that there are no complaints from private sector employers about the influx of immigrant workers.

    • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

      “They want the Polish and Asians and Africans to work in McDonalds.”

      *They*? Who would that be exactly?

      • red2black

        Those who wanted the low-wage service-based ‘laissez-faire’ style economy we now have. High levels of unskilled immigrant workers also served, perhaps ironically, the interests of those keen to create the ‘multicultural’ society we now live in.

        • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

          You wouldn’t be able to get a Big Mac Meal for £3.50 without them. And while the starting wage at McDonalds may be fairly low, the prospects for advancement are tremendous, and every encouragement is given to the staff to take full advantage. By the time you’ve got your five stars, the pay isn’t bad.

          It’s not like McDonald’s is the only low-wage employer around. But unlike your typical kebab shop or chippie, it is by no means a dead-end job, and you are very much in control of your career. I don’t understand why everybody singles out McDonald’s.

          • Gwangi

            Yes you would. You’d ensure young unemployed British people were forced to undergo training to work in such places. No benefits or housing benefit at all should go to those who refuse.
            But I agree, I don’t know why people single out McDonalds. Places like that are a godsend abroad and in the otherwise expensive west end of London. And yes, these are big companies with opportunities.
            Unlike the local rat-infested kebab shop. (gosh I hate kebabs in this country – they are so nice abroad though, in Greece/Turkey etc). I also wonder when Lenny Henry and his ethno-warriors are going to demand the kebab and takeaway trades reflect exactly the ethnic make-up of the UK eh? (or for that matter, GPs – so no more than 16% ethnics then, and positive action for whites to be GPs to hit that 84% target! Yeah right!)

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            McDonald`s, the men that made you fat. Motivated solely by greed and together with other fast food retailers, McDonald`s have systematically destroyed the health of not just the United States, but many other nations. I`d back off mentioning that you used to work for “Pink Slime” if I were you Sunshine.

            • George Smiley

              McDonald’s does not make the people fat. The people make themselves fat, through living too close to or too far out away from their places of work, the possession and use of their own private cars and not enough of walking.

              • red2black

                I blame the customers that buy my products.

                • Jackthesmilingblack

                  There’s a lot more to it than that, so this is only the dumbed down version. For the real story, go to “The Men That Made us Fat”, it’s all over Youtube.
                  But at it’s most simplistic level, fast food products including McDonalds contain an ingredient that turns off the ‘I’m satisfied, I’m full” gene, thus causing customers to over eat. So if you really want to educate yourself, do the research rather than assuming any new information is wrong just because you’ve never heard it before.
                  There’s a lot more in heaven and earth Horatio, than you’ve had hot dinners.

        • Gwangi

          Yes, and the left (pc pro-immigrant) and the right (fat cat bosses wanting to pay lower wages and take away worker rights) all want more and more mass immigration to serve their short-term needs, and do not give a shyte about how that hurts other people, makes everywhere overcrowded, makes houses unaffordable, puts huge strain on our health/education systems and social cohesion, so long as they get what benefits them and theirs. Selfish greedy treacherous Fuggers. The lot of em.

  • swatnan

    Isn’t it about time McDonalds served up a lamb burger; at one time they used to have a pork delta burger, but that has disappeared off the menu. Many people in this country do not eat beef, and have to put up with just chicken or fish on the menu.
    And very few would go near a veggie burger. McDonalds do try to serve their community, but could do a lot more.

    • GraveDave

      I used to prefer Burger King. But it’s a lot more expensive now

      • Fergus Pickering

        Burger King was always crap. Well it was round here. I’ll be eternally grateful to McDonalds for putting up with my two daughters whatever they did. We were regularly turfed out of the Wimpy bar fo throwing up and suchlike.

        • swatnan

          I’ve noticed that a lot of KFC’s are sort of disappearing in London. Why? There used to be a good one in Marble Arch, now its gone. The thing is that you can expect a good standard of food and service, especially if you are in a hurry, and at a fixed price at these joints. Although I never use them regularly, say twice a month, if I’m stuck miles from home.

          • Nick

            Yes the one in the Strand has long since gone and the one in Farringdon was bulldozed.

          • Gwangi

            Yep I always visit KFC if it’s there – the Piccadilly one or I wait until the Membury services on the M4. Burger King is rank.

        • Kitty MLB

          “We were regularly turfed out of the Wimpy bar
          for throwing up and suchlike.”
          Well Fergus, dear. Some ruffians have no idea
          how to behave in the polite society of polite
          food..utter disgrace.
          When I were a student many moons ago
          burning the midnight oil for the future benefit
          of others. I ate so many Wimpy’s that I became
          a vegetarian for a while…but started to smell
          like tomatoes.So returned to meat in a bun.

          P.S I meant fast food and not polite food,
          adios .

          • Fergus Pickering

            It was my daughters of ages four and two who did the throwing up. McDonalds was designed for such wild things. And the burgers were better.

            • Kitty MLB

              Oh sorry I thought with the terminology you used that you were all throwing up. They tend
              to leak at both ends when small, until the
              digestive system kicks in.
              Mc Donalds in a childrens assult course that
              sells food. And I’m not surprised yours
              very wild..the best way for small and big
              children to be.

              • Fergus Pickering

                I never throw up. My guts are ironclad. That’s why I vote for Ironman Nige.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Well I am glad you have a healthy digestive system Fergus dear. ” Ironman Nige” as in the Iron Lady ?
                  Oh come on Fergus, it’ll be like casting pearl before swine.
                  You are far to witty and wise to be taken in by that Conservative stealing scoundrel.. You just have a rethink and see the error of your ways. Besides off kippers will upset those
                  ironclad guts of yours.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  Never, Kitty. Nigel is godlike. Cameron is just fat and red-faced. He has to go.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Godlike? Oh, will he be walking on water next?
                  Maybe the English Chanel .That would be
                  appropriate.So Cameron has to go because
                  he has a red face (I have pink cheeks, I might
                  add, not as much as his)
                  Your face would be red if you had to deal with
                  such ludicrous buffoons all day.And besides
                  that is the middle class, public school book
                  they all have red cheeks.And he has lost weight sinse you abandoned him for
                  a kipper riding a bicycle.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            There was this couple that took their cat to the vet, and the vet advised them that their pet was undernourished. Well, they were vegetarians.

  • Dan Grover

    I used to work at McDonalds, for two years. It’s really not that bad – the pay isn’t great (though it was technically above the minimum wage). I was a youngster at the time and I was surrounded mostly by people of my age. The roles teach you basic job skills like presentation, dealing with customers, listening and taking instruction from managers, responsibility for what you’re doing – the sort of stuff that you can’t really learn at school but you’re already expected to be au fait with at a “real”, career oriented job.

    It also had very flexible hours (mostly due to the fact that everyone is basically infinitely replaceable), which worked out well for me – when I had exams, I could take a week or two off to revise with very little notice, because they knew they could find people willing to take up the extra shifts, which also works well when you want more shifts to get more pay. You literally get paid for every second you’re there, so if you take a shorter break, you get paid that little bit more. And if you really want, you can make a career of it by moving into management.

    All things considered, it’s not for everyone but there are far worse jobs out there.

    • Ed B

      Well said sir! I never worked in McDonalds but instead spent a couple of summers working in a motorway service station in the early 1980s, mainly cleaning out the tables in the restaurant and manning the tills. In addition to all the good learnings you pointed out, it taught me above all to be respectful of those doing “menial” jobs because they are bloody hard, and always to take pride in my work and the money I earn, no matter how much or how little. Seems that Mr Byrne takes a different attitude. I wonder if he has ever had to clean up someone else’s sick.

      • Airey Belvoir

        A visit to McDonalds will offer ample proof that, with the right management, motivation and training. Britsh kids will work hard, effectively and willingly. It seems to be an excellent training ground.

        • red2black

          Gawd bless yer, guvnor… you toffs ain’t all bad… spare us an ‘alfpenny so’s I’ve got two to rub together, will yer?

          • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

            You’re too good for McDonald’s, are you? A cut above all the plebs who get on with earning a living, however menial, for the sake of providing for themselves and their families? Who’s the real snob here? Not just any old snob, but a feckless and lazy snob.

            • red2black

              I worked for McDonald’s in Baker Street in 1980 as a night closer. I also worked as a nursing auxiliary in North London, which included some very unpleasant tasks. A sense of humour is a great asset. ‘Airey Belvoir’ sounds like the voice-over on one of those spoof government information films by Harry Enfield. A lot of what you call ‘menial’ is often important work, and I’m not in the least bit a snob about the type of work people do.

    • GraveDave

      Good for you mate.

    • Gwangi

      Yes, and also – and this’ll make people snigger – working at McDonalds will give you full employment rights after a year or two.

      Compare, if you will, to the way I used to teach at colleges (and to many people working via agencies as so-called ‘associate lecturers). I had my hours but they were not guaranteed. I had no sick or holiday pay. Certainly no employment rights or chance of any redundancy money.

      And yet the people who work in such zero hours agency contracts as ‘associate lecturers’ see themselves as above those who work in McDonalds. Well, get this: you are BELOW them, have fewer rights and privileges, and are in effect disposable labour – casual staff, not ‘associate lecturer’ BS at all!

  • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

    I worked in McDonalds for a few months back in the 1980’s. Unless things have changed dramatically, my feeling was that, for a young person with few qualifications, it was one of the best opportunities he or she could hope for.

    Yes, the starting pay is very low, but frequent pay rises can be earned quickly and easily, through monthly performance reviews and passing competency tests. If you have all five stars, the pay is not bad.

    From there, you can become a trainer, then a supervisor, then a junior manager, then a store manager. At every step, there is every encouragementto aspire, to qualify, to advance, to increase your responsibility, your seniority, your income. Most McDonalds managers started their careers flipping burgers for minimum wage, like everybody else. If you have the ability, but not the qualifications, McDonalds operates its own management school (in Chicago, I think) and will send you there on a fully funded course in operating a McDonalds store.

    No, at the bottom end, it’s not terrific work, but a school leaver isn’t unlikely to get any great responsibility anywhere. But there are few employers where a trainee can rise so far and so fast. I don’t know why people single McDonalds out for such abuse (perhaps because it’s such an overtly American company, whereas working in a pub, for example, provides similarly mundane work, with fewer prospects and less control over your career, but it’s not American, so it’s more acceptable). But I would advise any young person to get a job at McDonalds, and do so sincerely

    • GraveDave

      I know a bloke who did very well out of it. From being a school leaver he now owns one of the best franchises in the country. Got his own house , big car, big family, and lots of money in his account. Mind, he does have to work longer hours than any teacher or politician.

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      Essentially the same scene here in Japan. Higher rates for those with blond hair and blue eyes. See, discrimination`s not all bad.

      • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

        I didn’t say anything about discrimination.

        • George Smiley

          Never seen a single foreigner of whatever race flipping hamburgers in McDonald’s in Japan back in the 1990s. Seriously, “British” Jack does have some obviously very strange, schizophrenic sort of identity issues.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Plenty of guys from Nepal and Myanmar working in McDonald’s, MacDonald. Or doesn’t that count as foreigner in your racist mind?

            • George Smiley

              Stop discussing about your Country thereby changing the topic! This is the Spectator, a BRITISH rag, not an international free-for-all! Surely, there are English-language news sites for you (as a Japanese) to practise and improve your English; or have they long banned you from doing so?!

              • Jackthesmilingblack

                Unless or until you own the Spectator and can dictate editing policy, take your narrow-minded xenophobic racist bigotry and shove it up your donkey.

                • George Smiley

                  Stop being the Troll, lad! You are a foreigner who don’t even live in this Country, and you are not a Millwall fan, mate!

                • Jackthesmilingblack

                  Millwall fan? He really is away with the fairies.

              • Jackthesmilingblack

                discuss, or
                talk about
                Watch the grammar, China boy.

                • George Smiley

                  More self-prescriptive and made-it-up-yourself autistic nonsense by some Japanese fantasist idiot!

  • Smithersjones2013

    Come on Steerpike, sneering abusive urban liberals look down their noses at everybody.

    It’s part of their psyche along with the narcissism, the dictatorialism, the superiority complex, the arrogance that believes they know better than anyone else and the desperate need to be seen to be charitable with other people’s resources!

  • Fergus Pickering

    My daughter worked at Pizza Hut all the way through her time at university. She wasn’t much good as a waitress which isn’t easy (though she did her best) but she got a first class degree. So fuck off Labour.

  • Thats_news

    It is because the Hampstead Champagne swilling “socialist” elite are against them. They get their burgers from the trendy little place that uses artisan bread, artisan beef and artisan vegetables, natch.

  • pointlesswasteoftime

    Is everybody here deliberately missing the point? He’s not having a go at McDonalds or their workers. He’s saying the way those who wipe sick people’s bottoms, or who feed the elderly or provide transport for the disabled are treated with lower esteem and paid lower wages than those who serve burgers. He is right and that situation is wrong.

    • Thats_news

      He was using a McDonald’s meme to make his audience salivate. That’s where he was clearly having a go at McDonald’s and their staff.

  • Lucy Sky Diamonds

    Cant be bothered to get out of bed in the morning, do not worry we will pay you to stay there.

    Vote Labour.

    Worried about the economy, do not worry we will borrow as much as it takes to create a well paid non job for you.

    Vote Labour.

    Immigrant, cant speak english, do not worry we will employ lots of interpreters to ensure you do not have to bother.

    Vote Labour.

    Want to immigrate here but have no skills or cannot even speak English, well promise us your vote and your in!

    Vote Labour.

    Special interest group with looney socialist ideas, do not worry we will hurl taxpayers cash at your crazy scheme.

    Vote Labour.

    Wanna have a bad back it beats working for a living, do not worry will will make it easier for you to swing the lead.

    Vote Labour.

    Work for a quango or fake charity, do not worry we will keep your job, after all you are there to make everyone’s life a misery.

    Vote Labour.

    Want to be unsackable no matter how inept you are, do not worry we will gaurantee your rights to take employers to the cleaners.

    Vote Labour.

    Want to keep that over salaried public sector cushy job, do not worry we have plenty of hard working taxpayers to keep you better off than they are.

    Vote Labour.

    Want a dumbed down education system to ensure your kids appear to do well no matter how badly we educate them.

    Vote Labour.

    • David

      Wonderful

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      If you want to see that urban suburb you grew up in changed over night into a multicultural hellhole,
      Vote Labour.
      However, I must take issue with: “…cannot even speak English”

      This is straight narrow-minded xenophobic cultural imperialism. People come to UK in order to acquire fluency in English, although some 90% of the population would be unsuitable as role model. Barring immigrants that lack English proficiency is so missing the point. Total chicken and egg, the argument frequently expounded by those that lack second language skills.

      • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

        Strongly disagree. Yes, of course, many people come to the UK primarily for an opportunity to immerse themselves in an English-speaking society, and thus develop a fluency they probably wouldn’t in their home countries.

        But I’ve also met many people whose linguistic ability was simply shocking, to the point that they couldn’t function as a normal member of society, this despite having lived here a considerable time. The most startling example that leaps to my mind was an elderly Indian woman on a Virgin train. Their toilet doors are operated using buttons, but she clearly was unfamiliar with this concept, and could find no way to to close the door that she comprehended. She couldn’t read the written sings, couldn’t understand the visual signs, couldn’t ask how it worked.

        Were I a gentleman, I suppose I would have volunteered to show her how, and I regret that I didn’t. But I was fascinated to see what she would do. In the end, she clearly decided to hold it, and went back to her seat. That’s an extreme case, but I’ve certainly encountered numerous lesser examples.

        I have to add that Brits are frequently no better. Another pathetic toilet moment was in Brussels’ Gare du Nord at about six in the morning. The only people about were the cleaners, myself reading a paper, and an Englishman looking for the toilets. Evidently failing to understand the prominent signs saying “WC”, and incapable of speaking a word of French, he tried sign language, making peeing motions to the cleaners. They, of course, thought he was mad.

        I don’t think any immigrant should be refused entry unless they can speak English with the fluency of a native, but an ability, at least, to function in society is vital.

        • Jonas

          You watched an elderly woman on a train almost piss herself? Are you a real person or was your comment generated by a Ron Liddle gif?

          • George Smiley

            But what business did she have in Britain in the first place if she could not speak and understand English?! Well, she was obviously not here as a useful skilled immigrant to teach Britons a (useful) foreign language, making investments or opening up factories like British expatriates do in the East, was she?!

            • Jackthesmilingblack

              When your best, indeed only option is relocating to Britain, you must feel that fate has dealt you a bad hand.
              Embarrassing isn`t it when middle-class Brits, both young and old are flying the coop in droves, while at the same time the third worlders are falling over themselves to get in. Prepare for multiculturalism, Britisher pals. Because it`s GAME OVER.

              • George Smiley

                Are you actually British or not, what?! Kindly make up your mind, you schizophrenic troll!

                • Jackthesmilingblack

                  If after all this time you actually have to ask whether or not I`m British, you must be a raving idiot. But I think we already know that.

                • George Smiley

                  No, you are not British. Never have been, and never will be.

            • red2black

              She may be here as ‘a useful unskilled immigrant’, to keep wages low and working class people in hard competition with each other for jobs, houses and public services. Any boy scout or girl guide worth their salt would have shown the lady which button to press.

          • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

            I said I regret it these days.

        • George Smiley

          He is obviously trolling; an autistic schizophrenic (also with Tourette’s) from Japan who hates the British, but likes to pretend to be British half of the time to wind people up, calling himself a “Japan Alps Brit” or such like some other nonsense.

        • Jackthesmilingblack

          You do seem a little preoccupied with public toilets. I seriously doubt you could find your way to the bathroom in Japanese.
          Jack, the Japan Alps Brit

          • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

            Finding your way to the toilets is a fairly fundamental need in polite society. And if I went to Japan, I would take the time beforehand to learn how to ask, along with other basic phrases such as, “How much does this cost?”

            • Jackthesmilingblack

              You`d really need to learn the kanji. Because however much you practiced the spoken language, it`s 10-to-1 your delivery would be so far off no one would understand you. Especially if you used BBC news readers as your model. Work on stress patterns, because essentially in Japanese there are no stressed syllables. Some exceptions, but essentially vowel-consonant clusters.

              • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

                Wacko. I shall bear your advice in mind the next time I go to Japan. I was referring to an Englishman in Brussels, where the French language presents no such problems, and an inability to ask where the toilet is represents a simple lack of initiative at best.

                “Ou sont les toilettes?” Or even just “Toilettes?” — how difficult is that?

              • George Smiley

                Whereas you need to just concentrate on your English for now!

                • Jackthesmilingblack

                  Apply that advice to yourself, China boy.

                • George Smiley

                  Crazy Japanese bloke!

          • George Smiley

            Troll; and a Briton who calls a WC the infamous hated term “baaathroom”, in a third Country?! That’s a good one, Johnny Foreigner!

      • George Smiley

        Now, you are just trolling! Autistic, Tourette’s, and are you also a schizophrenic? Why should England be an international language school for foreigners to GET PAID to learn the English language?!

        “Britisher pals”, eh?! You can call yourself a “Japan Alps Brit” all life long all you like, but at the end of the day, you are still a Japanese and not a Briton.

        • Jackthesmilingblack

          See you`re still keeping the nutter around for laughs, Spectator. This amounts to a mocking of the afflicted. Mental health in cyber space; there`s a really first-rate story here. “Support mental health or I`ll kill you.”
          See you in Tokyo, say when and where. Then you can interview the resident John leCarre fan and ask him why he labels everyone that disagrees with him a non-Caucasian foreigner.
          Or perhaps you agree with him that only resident Brits should be allowed to comment in a “British” publication.
          Jack, the Japan Alps Brit

          • George Smiley

            Ideally yes, because people like you—and especially you—tend to either spam or troll, or otherwise write all sorts of rubbish!

            • Jackthesmilingblack

              “write all sorts of rubbish”
              At last, a subject you know something about.

              • George Smiley

                An Autistic, aren’t you?!

    • Inverted Meniscus

      Brilliant but the truly frightening thing is that this is anything but a comprehensive list.

      Want a pension that is guaranteed at the end of your non-job. Fine, there are plenty of private sector workers who cannot afford one themselves but will pay for yours.

      Vote Labour.

      Etc etc etc

      • red2black

        I worked in a local authority, and during the early 1990s were were given the chance to ‘opt out’ of the Local Government scheme. Each of us was interviewed by a pensions expert from a private company. His advice? To stay where we were. These were the days of the fast-buck smart-arses that were a portent of the greed-fuelled shambles that came to pass a decade or so later. Happy and smug when they’re coining it in; poisonous and vindictive when they aren’t. As for what the article above is actually about, I worked at Baker Street McDonald’s around 1980 as a night closer. Apart from a total lack of ‘health and safety’ – resulting in an electric shock for me, and ‘a fried hand and lower arm’ for a worker at another branch, along with a real punch-up between one of my fellow-workers and a pig of a manager, it was wonderful.

    • red2black

      Same policies as the Coalition.

  • matt

    But Labour are not interested in trying to win over ordinary working people, they have become entirely the party of the lefty, metropolitan, middle classes, and the guiltily wealthy ones at that. Despite Unite’s best efforts in mounting a hostile takeover bid this is not something that is going to change. The only political parties now actively trying to win over working people are UKIP and the BNP.

    • HookesLaw

      Keep polishing your jackboots.

      • matt

        Don’t have any jackboots, UNITE have taken them all for their invasion of Poland, errr I mean the Labour party

        And just because I rightly point out that only UKIP and the BNP are seeking the working class vote anymore does not mean that I like or support them or that state of affairs. It is just a crying shame that the Cameroon Old Etonians are so completely incapable of relating to working people and so “doing a Maggie” and sweeping them up electorally.

  • andagain

    What has Labour got against people who work in McDonald’s?

    They’re not unionised, I believe…

    • red2black

      Having worked for them, the workforce bloody well should have been.

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      Sounds as if Labour have an issue with the top management rather than the staff.

  • Inverted Meniscus

    As always with Labour, the underlying message is: We know how to spend your money and regulate your lives better than you do so be grateful and keep your mouths shut or else’.

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      I get that impression, too.

  • laurence

    Always been impressed with the staff and the service at McDonald’s. Food is fine too. They try and they mostly succeed. Burnham and Byrne should note that the McDonald’s staff work for a living and have some experience of the realities of a working life. Bet they’d love to suckle the public teat or gamble with other people’s money in the city.

    • Thats_news

      But especially the Big Tasty and Caramel Frappé.

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      Interestingly, restaurant food in Kuala Lumpur is so inedible that you find yourself having second thoughts about McDonald`s, even if it`s only to stock up on salt, pepper, sugar … Come in handy on the third-world Asia backpacker trail.

  • Hexhamgeezer

    The only sneering we’ve seen on these blogs regarding MacJobs has come from Labour supporters. I think their workers, especially the young ones, strike a nerve with them and it’s not a protective one either. For youngsters they are great gap jobs or simply routes to saving and getting job experience, Like working in bars or other catering, working at Macs teaches you hard work, self-discipline and customer focus and prepares you for the rigours of work in many other areas. Working and surviving there demonstrates and encourages drive and makes it far less likely that you will consider yourself a ‘victim’ despite the low wages.

    No wonder Labour hates them.

    • Inverted Meniscus

      Great comment. That said, a Labour MP would read it with bemused incomprehension. “What is all the self reliance and ambition nonsense, surely you need us to regulate your lives”.

    • Colonel Mustard

      According to that font of impartial, balanced and objective pomposity rtj1211 most comments on this website are sneering including 95% of mine. He is 100% confident that I believe I am superior to people on the left (even though they are the ones always telling us how intellectually cleverer they are).

      With a classic lack of self awareness rtj1211 further assures me that he is “able to comment about both lots of you (hard left and hard right) from a position not imbued with your own prejudices, constructs and hang-ups.” which in his case of course is not to be construed as sneering superiority.

      Slightly puzzling why we never see him exercising his sneering but strictly impartial superiority against the hard left here.

    • telemachus

      Both you and Steerpike should wash your mouths out
      Working at MacDonalds is often the only employment available to the young in the vast swathes of the North that the coalition have forgotten
      Labour welcome this great company and wish that Osborne put as much effort into the North as they do

      • Inverted Meniscus

        Yet Burnham sneered at McDonald’s.

      • Hexhamgeezer

        Like where?

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Do try and spell “McDonald’s” correctly. But even more important than a careless spelling error is the attitude that spelling mistakes don’t really matter. All part of Trash Culture UK.

        • George Smiley

          Are you Autistic or what?!

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            A vote for Jock McNutter is a vote for stupidity.

            • George Smiley

              Tourette’s as well?!

      • saffrin

        All those kids are working at McDonalds because your lot dumbed down their education to a point they are too thick to do anything else.
        Apart from that, since your lot came to power over 9 million immigrants have arrived and taken most jobs.
        I tell you, there is nothing happening today that doesn’t firmly land in Labour’s court for responsibility.
        Labour WRECKED this country, we can only be grateful the public saw sense and kicked Labour out when they did.

        • red2black

          I’m no fan of Labour, but a lot of well-off people seem to have done very nicely thank you out of them.

          • chui1996

            Well-off people do not do nicely because of government . They do well in spite of governments.

            • red2black

              Then why do we have governments and political parties peopled, almost without exception, by the well-off?

          • saffrin

            I know, 3.8 million immigrants I heard and that’s only the ones they know about.

        • Jackthesmilingblack

          Three back-to-back Labour terms. Never over-estimate the intelligence of the electorate.

      • HJ777

        “Working at McDonalds is often the only employment available to the young in the vast swathes of the North…”

        So, just to clarify – you think that McDonald’s is often the ONLY employment option for young people in large areas.

        So it’s the only employer of young people in those areas, is it? I never knew that McDonald’s formed such a large proportion of the local economy. I was under the impression that in many areas of the north the public sector spends more than half of GDP – why is the public sector discriminating against young people when it comes to employment then?

        • Ellie Rose

          The public sector does discriminate against young people by specifying x years of experience in the “essential criteria” of the job description. Hospitality, retail and call centres are the main options for young people with no previous experience. McDonald’s is one of the biggest employers of young people in the UK. They can afford to pay them a Living Wage but choose not to because they know that uneducated and inexperienced young people have little other choice of employment, so they are able to continue with their exploitation of the workers, and encouraging them to sponge of the tax payer to pay their bills.

          • miford

            Facilitated by the minimum wage which the mainly foreign multi national fast food outlets get away with paying our youth whilst they pay no tax in this country. It is a scandalous Labour/EU cynical device of exploitation/modern slavery.

  • Peter Stroud

    Burnham was a most ineffective health secretary. We know how he closed his ears to any criticism of the NHS, and treated whistle blowers with contempt. The fact that he is shadow health secretary, shows Miliband’s weakness in picking his shadow cabinet

    • Hexhamgeezer

      It also, IMO, shows their limitless toleration of manslaughter in furtherance of a Labour greater good.

      • red2black

        Yet the only disciplinary and corrective measures taken appear to be those of the nursing unions against ‘front line’ staff. No politician from any of the mainstream parties has done anything.

        • Hexhamgeezer

          .true……but doesn’t address my point.

          • red2black

            So this issue should be a matter for the police and courts, as manslaughter would seem to suggest?

            • Hexhamgeezer

              Yes.

              • red2black

                So the limitless tolerance of manslaughter extends right across the party political spectrum and beyond.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  It isn’t limitless but depends entirely on whether the victims fit the politically correct “victim” profiles created (mainly) by the Labour party in government.

                  One nation my a**e.

            • Colonel Mustard

              The two possibilities that could and should have been explored for Mid-Staffs were corporate manslaughter under the Corporate Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Act 2007 which includes the Department of Health in its schedule and/or manslaughter by gross negligence under common law. The former provides that:-

              “An organisation to which this section applies is guilty of an offence if the way in which its activities are managed or organised—

              (a) causes a person’s death, and

              (b) amounts to a gross breach of a relevant duty of care owed by the organisation to the deceased.”

              It is incredible, bearing in mind the number of alleged deaths through negligence (admitted in official reports) that there was never a police investigation or a file sent to the CPS. One can only presume that this was because the majority of victims were old and white.

              • red2black

                If, as you say, there was never a police investigation or a file sent to the CPS, then considering the seriousness of the situation, people are entitled to ask why not, without being expected to presume anything.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  They have asked. The victim’s relative who was campaigning for answers was hounded out of her town by all the usual leftist suspects and whole blogs run by leftists are dedicated to denial of the facts. Nothing to see here. Move along. Musn’t criticise Labour’s NHS!

                  If this had happened under a Tory government’s watch we would never hear the last of it and that little shi-ite Burnham would be campaigning for justice like there was no tomorrow.

                • red2black

                  ‘Hounded out of her town by the usual leftist suspects’? Perhaps ‘campaigning for justice like there was no tomorrow’ is a commendable trait.

  • paulme

    Arbeit macht fries

  • saffrin

    Vote Labour, McDonald’s management degree sponsor.

  • BarkingAtTreehuggers

    no fries with that?

  • Colonel Mustard

    What was the context though? Who said that and why? How many social workers are there and what are the implications for the government budget if their status and remunerations are elevated? Elevating the status of nurses was not a great idea in improving the care of patients.

    Besides with Burnham, one of the slipperiest members of the teflon-coated gang of warmed-up New Labour has-beens on the opposition front bench, the sub-text is everything. With Burnham what you see is never what he wants you to get.

    • Inverted Meniscus

      Agreed Colonel. There is something enormously smug and dishonest about this loathsome man who has yet to be held to account for the horrors of Mid-Staffs.

      • telemachus

        I detest the dishonesty of those who try to pin Stafford on Labour or Burnham
        Snake Cameron did it twice at PMQ’s
        *
        Let us hear the truth
        Before New Labour thousands and thousands were dying for want of care and on waiting lists
        Hundreds of thousands were suffering for want of care and on interminable waiting lists
        With the more than doubling of the NHS budget Labour and Burnham in particular set about putting a structure of quality improvement and regulation that allowed lapses of professionalism to be exposed
        *
        Burnham is a hero and Burnham will deliver a world class health system when he merges health and social care

        • Colonel Mustard

          I detest your dishonesty, the dishonesty of the party you propagandise for and the way Burnham has tried to slither out of responsibility for Stafford.

          He is no hero.

        • HJ777

          Average NHS waiting times were higher for 11 out of the 13 years of New Labour than they had been in 1997.

          http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7271772.stm

          • telemachus

            We heard that kind of statistical garbage from Cameron this lunchtime
            But he answered not one of Miliband’s questions
            *
            Oh and he forgot to say that before 1997 half, yes 50%, of patients on cardiac waiting lists died
            *
            We need to see the back of smug Hunt soon

            • HJ777

              So statistics that contradict your argument are ‘garbage’ yet you’re quite happy to quote your own.

              • Colonel Mustard

                He’s a liar like the rest of his stinking party.

              • Inverted Meniscus

                He and Jambo are peas in a dishonest pod.

            • Fergus Pickering

              How many die now?

        • Inverted Meniscus

          Inevitably dishonest as always. But then you represent Labour the party of lies, lying, liars, failure and mediocrity. You can lie all day and all night but the unecessary deaths at Mid-Staffs occurred when that odious little creep Burnham was health Secretary. They were spending £250,000 a year on bottled water for meetings while patients were drinking from flower vases. On Burnham’s watch.

          • Thats_news

            Then the Labour NHS banned vases of flowers. Why would they do that? Oh, yes. elfin safetee.

            • red2black

              ‘elfin safetee’ legislation was introduced because over 1000 people were being killed in accidents at work every year, not forgetting many more who were disabled or so badly injured that they were unable to return to work.

              • Thats_news

                No. You are making the error of confusing the Factories Act (1961) and the Health & Safety at Work Act (1074) with the crazed “elfin safetee” lobby. The HSE have a warning on its website about these numpties: http://www.hse.gov.uk/Myth/myth-busting/index.htm

        • Thats_news

          So nothing was Labour’s fault. Ever. Labour did nothing. Nonsense.

          • telemachus

            I think the point is that Labour made and will make life for the little people immeasurably better
            If it is a fault yes Labour made and will make the fat cats squawk

            • Colonel Mustard

              The life for the little old people in Mid-Staffs wasn’t made better.

              Labour has a front bench full of squawking fat cats. You squawk for Labour, interminably.

              Under Hollande’s proto-Miliband nonsense the fat cats didn’t squawk. They just left. With their tax money.

              • Fergus Pickering

                Well it was certainly made a bloody sight shorter

            • Hexhamgeezer

              ‘little people’! Is that how you think of them (rhetorical question) ? Little – and that’s where they’ll stay with you in charge.

            • sungeipatani

              Little people! Little People! Who are these people you have such contempt for?

        • sungeipatani

          I assume you are being ironic, but it is sometimes difficult to tell.

  • Jen The Blue

    The clue is in the audience……””He told the Unite conference”.

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