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17 July 2014

9:49 AM

17 July 2014

9:49 AM

Are all of Britain’s fasting Muslims about to die because of the heatwave? This is what’s worrying me as I sit in my darkened room — curtains drawn and lights down low, according to the official government advice. Dr Paul Cosford of something called ‘Public Health England’ said:

Many members of the Muslim community may be fasting during the current period of Ramadan. During hot weather it’s important to balance food and fluid intake between fasts and especially to drink enough water.’

One can only hope and pray that as most of England’s Muslims come from Bangladesh, India and Pakistan, where the temperature exceeds on a daily basis what we’re experiencing for a few hours, they might be ok, Paul – huh?

Is it possible for our public health officials to be any more patronising or sensationalist?

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  • Kenneth O’Keeffe

    actually I’d say a large number muzzies in the UK were actually born here so wouldn’t be used to the sort of heat in the sub-continent to which Mr. Liddle refers.

  • pablo58

    More violence during the Muslim fast someone suggested. So would that be ‘a Ramadan-a-ramadadan- a- ding-dong?’. Just wondered.

  • Aldabaran

    Could the guys here remember that (1) Islam has some exemptions from the fast — travellers, warriors, diabetics, and the like. Or it can be commuted for money. (2) Many Muslims — the proportion varies — do not observe the fast and perhaps do not want to do so. And some–who knows how many — cheat and eat or drink secretly.
    But a good piece Rob. This government clown is contributing to a social climate in which Muslims are forced to conform to what their hardliners tell them to do. You are quite right to pick up his craven idiocy.

  • Harry Pond

    How come they were all in the queue at that Burger King on the A14 today?- outrageous hypocrisy.

  • Harry Pond

    I ,like you Rod, am in a constant state of worriment about our Islamic friends. I only wish the British parliament would do more to accommodate . I’m sure if the Irish or anybody else sent a salvo of explosive rocket devices in a random manner across our borders to kill our citizens we would twiddle and pontificate. Its such a shame that the evil and nasty Israel folk fight back.

  • Bonkim

    But their bodies have now adapted to the British climate and forgotten how to survive the heat – in any case Indians and Bangladeshis drink copious quantities of water and salt to survive the humid heat.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Fasting Muslims is only an issue because they are living in Western Europe, including UK. Who ya going to blame? New Labour for importing their own voters disguised as multiculturalism. Keep this in mind when the next General Election comes around. Just don’t vote Labour.

  • vieuxceps2

    Must say i’ve enjoyed the comments on thisthread,especially those laced with humour.Just one question however-WHY do muslims observe ramadan?What does the great Fairy in the Sky get from their self-restraint?

    • Bonkim

      Practice for the long march back through the arid desert. Not all restrain – unlimited feast at sun-down which in the British summer means waiting a long time.

  • Shenandoah

    Are you really having a heatwave? Funny, we’re having a coolwave.

  • Roger Hudson

    I really think dehydration has always been islam’s problem. If you are in an Arabian summer and retire to a cave without enough water you might hallucinate, see archangels ( whatever they are?) and write things believing about god. It could cause 1400 years of trouble.

  • Gwangi

    Two years ago, I was almost rammed by a car swerving out at me from the left lane of a dual carriageway. I braked and survived. I then passed the car when it was back in the slow lane and LO AND BEHOLD it was being driven by a burka babe – wearing a full face veil with a little postbox slit for the eyes to see a LIMITED view of traffic around.
    Why should I or anyone else suffer because of these selfish people who are a danger to other road users?
    What is a fasting Muslim faints whilst driving and kills other road users? Is that just fine in our multiculti Islaophiliac contradiction of a society? What if a fainting fasting Muslims drives into a queue for a school bus and kills 20 children? Is that OK?
    Time to ban dangerous people from driving – and that means all wearing burkas or fasting for some nutty religious reason. People’s safety NOW comes before some 7th century religion cobbled together by a warlord in a desert.

    • Kit Ingoldby

      ”it was being driven by a burka babe – wearing a full face veil with a little postbox slit for the eyes to see a LIMITED view of traffic around.”

      I’m pretty sure that is illegal right now. Although I’d be interested to see if the police actually enforce that.

      • GraveDave

        I see it an awful lot too where I am. It would be interesting I suppose to do a test on oneself , when sitting in a car to knock up a makeshift from a black balaclava or something. Then knowing how things work with our pc farce, you will probably soon be surrounded by a remake of the Sweeny, with you playing the armed robber.

        • Gwangi

          Oh yes, if a white person, esp a man, were to drive a car wearing a mask which obscured his vision, our pillock plods would soon stop and charge him with sommert, and probably seize his laptop and charge him with self-abuse or similar, and possibly abuse if any of his ex-girlfriends were trawled and offered £52k compo…
          No faith in the police. A farce, yes. The lot of em.

        • Damaris Tighe

          I should imagine it’s easier to see with a balaclava than through a loose cloth head covering with eye slits or a mesh over the eyes.

      • Gwangi

        No, not illegal. In the UK anyway a woman in a mask is allowed to drive… and put other road users at risk. The plods are the worst of the lot – never ever even telling off anyone who looks like a Muslim these days and pandering to any demand of any ethnic/religious minority group. They can tick diversity boxes and hit targets then, in the pc incompetent useless manner.

        Those who are fasting and in danger of fainting in the heat are also allowed to drive.

        Do we really need to wait for a tragedy and deaths before our Islamo-philiac diversity-worshiping EmperorsClothes-admiring see that we need ACTION to make sure the interests of the state and the people TRUMP those of minority religious, ethnic and cultural groups. Those in power should learn to say NO to their demands, and repeat it – often. If they do not, then they could and should be charged with neglect of duty when such tragedies occur – as they will.

        The Islamic plot in Birmingham schools is SO predictable, as are the jihadists which are universities are producing because they refuse to clamp down on Islamo-fascists radicaling students.

    • GraveDave

      It was ‘Sudden Jihadi Syndrome’ I tell you.

  • Joe Public

    Another parasite at the public teet, ‘doing something’ to be seen to be doing something in order to justify his job.

  • sebastian2

    The notion that mohammedans fast is largely bogus. More than 15 years in islamic states taught me that the customary gluttony is simply shifted from day to night. As for the diurnal pause during Ramadan as they anticipate “iftar” and much browsing and sluicing after, this is their choice and if they’re not sensible enough to take, during daytime, whatever food and water their jobs or lifestyles require in the UK, then that is their problem and we should offer no concessions whatsoever. Whether “fasting” brings them nearer to Al’Lah I cannot say. But it brings them closer to obesity and diabetes in many instances.

    I would not want to sit behind, for example, a mohammedan taxi driver who cannot concentrate because his blood sugar level has dropped and he’s dehydrating. Or who is barely awake during daytime because he’s temporarily a nocturnal animal. Nor do I want to witness mohammedans’ affected piety as they compete with each other for public (artificial) righteousness and conformance to their improbable creed’s demands whilst seeking Ramadan adjustments from the rest of us.” I am fasting!” they may brag, rolling their eyes in martyr-esque emphasis, and histrionically wilting.

    Periodic abstinence may be a very good thing. Mohammedans, however, make far too much of a meal of it.

    • Damaris Tighe

      I’m not sure stuffing yourself after sundown counts as a fast. But then Muhammad said ‘I want to make it easy for you’. A very pragmatic religion.

  • Malcolm Stevas

    “Patronising” and “sensationalist” were just two of the adjectives springing to mind as I read this morning’s news about those “public health officials”. I knew it wasn’t April 1st, and I know it’s hard to over-estimate the degree of crazed interventionist nannying our publicly-funded bodies are capable of.
    I hesitated before allowing my wife to leave the house between 11.00 and 15.00 without wearing a burka and carrying a foil parasol, but since the temperature in my part of the Westcountry hasn’t been much over 20 degrees today, I thought we’d risk it. And we made it home again! Fortunately without seeing too many desiccated bodies by the roadside.
    It makes one proud to be English to know our taxes subsidise such a public service.

  • ADW

    Ah but Rod you forgot – in tropical climes there are certain times of day,

    when all the citizens retire
    To take their clothes off and perspire.
    It’s one of those rules
    That the greatest fools
    Obey,
    Because the sun is far too sultry
    And one must avoid its ultry
    Violet ray.

    The natives grieve
    When the white men leave
    Their huts.
    Because they’re obviously,
    Definitely
    Nuts.

    Mad Dogs & Englishmen
    Go out in the midday sun.
    The Japanese don’t care to,
    The Chinese wouldn’t dare to,
    Hindus and Argentines
    Sleep firmly from twelve to one,
    But Englishmen
    Detest a
    Siesta.
    In the Philippines
    They have lovely screens
    To protect you from the glare.
    In the Malay states
    There are hats like plates
    Which the Britishers won’t wear.
    At twelve noon
    The natives swoon,
    And no further work is done,
    But mad dogs and Englishmen
    Go out in the midday sun!

    Or so said an Englishman, who wasn’t afraid of calling himself an Englishman, in this masterpiece: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2YvYiWtovM

  • Gizzard Puke

    By gum it’s hot!

  • anotherjoeblogs

    Is there a Health and Safety chapter in the koran about fasting in Bradford when Britain sizzles in the 70s ?

  • jack

    Give them a geography lesson as well please. Just let anyone who is interested to know that you can’ t face East and find Mecca, since the world is not flat.

    • Fergus Pickering

      We are talking about ideal Mecca not the sad diurnal replica full of unwashed arabs.

  • TNT

    It’s not even a proper fast. Same – or greater caloric intake – merely shuffled to earlier or later in the 24-hour period. Utterly pointless.

  • The Masked Marvel

    Just be grateful your public officials are not making you fast during the day so as not to make them feel thirsty or hungry by watching you. Yet.

    • Blindsideflanker

      To late we have gone past the ‘yet’ for one school was reported to have banned eating as it offended Muslims, and we have just had this Sainsbury cashier refuse to serve someone with wine and ham because it offended her during her Ramadan fast. ( Not that someone else having wine of ham has any significance to Ramadan) , so Muslims are already seeking to impose their beliefs on the rest of society.

      • Jeffrey Vernon

        Based on n=1, you claim that ‘Muslims’ are imposing their beliefs. Muslims can’t eat pork, and no doubt there’s a handful who treat the pig in all its forms as a fetish to be regarded with superstitious horror, but most of them couldn’t care less if someone else eats a bacon sandwich

        • The Masked Marvel

          Possibly, Jeffrey (One is sure you personally know many of them and have data to back up your claim, yes?). But what you seem to be missing here in your rush to fight the righteous fight against racism and Islmaophobia is that we’re not talking about what the Muslims would try to do. We’re talking about British Public Officials would try to do.

          • Jeffrey Vernon

            Blindsideflanker wrote ‘Muslims are already seeking to impose their beliefs on the rest of society.’ As for anagramophobia, you won’t hear me campaigning about it.

            • The Masked Marvel

              He mentioned the school officials first, though. I stopped reading the rest of his comment after the second factual error about the Muslim cashier incident.

      • The Masked Marvel

        IIRC, it was M&S, but bad enough as that was, I was actually thinking more about an incident involving actual public officials. Recall the time when the Lothian NHS decided to enforce Shariah Law on behalf of Muslims and “advised” non-Muslim staff to eat away from their desks during Ramadan so as not to make their Muslim colleagues feel hungry while fasting. Curiously, one cannot recall them wanting to ban shortbread or pizza during Passover.

        http://www.scotsman.com/news/nhs-staff-told-to-eat-away-from-desks-for-ramadan-1-1327653

  • artemis in france

    How long will it be before Muslims have their own Health and Safety official website? After all, not being able to see much through those slits could lead to unexpected falls and injury. Those long, straggly beards could get stuck in machinery and closing bus and train doors. The possibilités are limitless. Ramadan is a particular problem though. As somebody said in the Mail yesterday – how do they manage in Sweden etc. when night doesn’t fall until midnight and daylight returns about 3 a.m.? Not much time for their Muslims to eat and drink. I for one am very concerned.

  • The_greyhound

    Mr Liddle asks if it is possible for our public health officials to be any more patronising or sensationalist.

    Sadly, the answer is yes. The wonder of the interweb enables them to benchmark themselves against overpaid patronising tw@ts everywhere. Expect advice on turning off the heating in hot weather, and remembering to breathe next.

  • The Masked Marvel

    Well-disguised there, Rod. Clever.

  • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

    How on earth did the human race ever survive before we had the wisdom of Public Health England to rely on?

    Oh yes, they never got summers this hot in the past. Global warming, you know.

  • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

    My American wife just informed me that it’s 110 Fahrenheit in her home town this week. “This is nothing,” she snorts contemptuously.

    • artemis in france

      For me the funniest comments about température relate to night time. I see the minimum over the next few days in the south of England will be 14 degrees. Here, in the south of France we will have 22 tonight. But, with the help of a décent fan one manages to get a good night’s sleep. We’re 65 and come from the UK and, latterly, Paris. Yet, still we survive.

    • Shenandoah

      Phoenix?

      • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

        Riverton, Utah.

        • Shenandoah

          Ah.

      • Baron

        Once, many years ago, Baron was relaxing in a cooled outdoor swimming pool in a Phoenix hotel, and nice it was too. It has BA to do with the topic of this blog, but Baron felt like telling you about it.

        • Shenandoah

          Baron can tell us anything he feels like, any time.

          • Harry Pond

            why have you changed your name?

            • Shenandoah

              I always change my name and my avatar. It’s the points I make not the persona that matters.

              • Harry Pond

                ok Swanky Yanky

                • Harry Pond

                  What do you feel about this business on the Gaza strip- I’m not that happy about it actually Swanky. It just doesn’t feel right to me.

                • Harry Pond

                  The Hamas are a massive bunch of fools though

                • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxZsdWIuQRs Shenandoah

                  Very good! One of my favourites! ; )

                • Harry Pond

                  but who are you then?

                • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxZsdWIuQRs Shenandoah

                  I’m Swanky, Harry. You got me!

                • Harry Pond

                  ok,

        • Harry Pond

          But Baron, I had to go to Bury St Edmunds to buy some ‘make up’ with Mrs Lungfish today. We stopped in Lavenham for a gin and tonic on the way home.

  • GraveDave

    They even enforce it in schools. They shouldn’t.

  • Nigel Tipple

    ‘Are all of Britain’s Muslims about to die because of the heatwave?’
    Sadly, yes…along with virtually everyone else in the country. I’d be very surprised if more than 30 people survive the 24 degree centigrade temperatures now being experienced.
    I’ve just finished the last of the water in the dogs bowl, but alas my wife didn’t make it. Her carcass is now being picked over by vultures in the garden.
    When will it all end??!!!

    • Nigel Tipple

      I’ve just had a thought. Is Dennis Howell still alive? If not, perhaps he could be resurrected. His stint as Minister for Drought in 1976 was, without doubt, the most successful appointment in the history of politics…it rained 3 days later…brilliant!

      • Donafugata

        I well remember it. The Sikh community of Southall brought a holy man over from India who was apparently good at bringing rain.

        The day after his ritual it bucketed down which had all of us singing and dancing in the rain.

        • Donafugata

          As for Muslims, flying copulations and all that.

    • Hexhamgeezer

      Be grateful though that her death has enabled those creatures to live. Our own summer zephyrs bring news of unseen tragedy – the familiar sweet smell of Death as Mu$lims in the conurbation succumb in the Fiery Death Furnace of Global Warming.

      Won’t someone think of the cheeldren?!?!?

    • The_greyhound

      “Her carcass is now being picked over by vultures in the garden.”

      Another service Wonga provide?

    • Oedipus Rex

      Stop complaining man!!! Don’t you realize that in a few months time we’ll be living through “Arctic Conditions” as the media so accurately informs us? You know, when there’s some of that deadly light dusting snow on the A1 and a bit of cold wind! Then, I’m often reduced to setting parts of my body alight with lighter fuel and barbequing fingers of close friends for possibly my last meal on earth. Give me a “heat wave” any day!

    • Fergus Pickering

      Vultures on the increase then. Every cloud….

      • Nigel Tipple

        Which is slightly odd, given that I live in the Test Valley.

    • MikeF

      What about the dog?

  • wycombewanderer

    “Are all of Britain’s fasting Muslims about to die because of the heatwave?”

    I have to say I’m rather ambivalent either way, but if it comes to pass I’m pretty certain I know who’ll get the blame!

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Fancy a bacon sandwich, Mustapha?

  • TrulyDisqusted

    Let’s think about this for a moment…

    Consider for a second that you are a Muslim, required to follow the Sunna and are therefore required to abstain from food and drink between sunrise and sunset during the month of Ramadan.

    You’ve lived your entire life following the word of Allah, then on 15 July 2014, up pops Dr Paul Cosgrove, Western, possibly Christian public health official…

    Who are you going to listen to?

    • Harry Pond

      I would head down the chip shop

  • Blindsideflanker

    Anybody want to go under a Muslim surgeons knife late in the day after he has been starving himself of food and water for 8 hours, or be driven by a Muslim train driver who’s attention is wandering for lack of nourishment?

    Rather than worrying about Muslims putting themselves through a bit of dietary flagellation , public health authorities should be more worried about the dangers Muslims pose to the rest of us during Ramadan.

    • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

      Well, they’ve been doing it for centuries without much of a problem, so I shouldn’t think it’s that much of an issue. When was the last time you heard of a train crash because the driver was fasting? For that matter, when was the last time that a Pakistan International Airways, Egyptair, Iranair, Saudia, Quatar Airways or Emirates airliner fell out of the sky during Ramadan?

      Do you not think that, over 1400 years of Islam, a few imams might have observed the carnage taking place in climates much hotter and drier than ours, and said, “Look guys, this really isn’t working. Maybe we should do this fasting thing differently.”

      • Blindsideflanker

        Only because it is a problem that isn’t being highlighted . In Muslim countries communal violence increases during Ramadan, and I have been told from someone who ran a manufacturing plant in a Muslim country, they had tell people if they were adhering to Ramadan then they had to take their annual leave to do it, as on health and safety grounds they were too much of a danger to themselves and their workmates .

        PS lolling around in a tent 1400 hundred years ago was a lot less demanding than participating in a 21st century society.

        • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

          Communal violence may increase during Ramadan — I wouldn’t know. But what has that to do with Muslim train drivers not crashing their trains, and Muslim surgeons not killing their patients during Ramadan?

          Which Muslim country is it that you were referring to? One can only wonder how they run all those oil rigs in such devout countries as Iran and Saudi Arabia if they’re all a danger to themselves and everybody else.

          Lolling around in tents? What movies have you been watching? I think the overwhelming majority spent their day struggling to find adequate food and water, same as everybody did in Europe — except that the European climate is a lot more amenable to finding food and water than anywhere in the Middle East.

          • Jim Station

            The simple fact of the matter is that oil rigs are run in Saudi Arabia, most of the time, including during Ramadan is by using lots of foreign labour.

            • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

              I’m aware of that. Much of that foreign labour is from other Arab countries, and from the Indian subcontinent, many of whom are also Muslims, and therefore observe Ramadan.

              • Jim Station

                Yes… but who often work substantially less hours during Ramadan. The management of the rigs are often Westerners – especially during Ramadan.

        • Jeffrey Vernon

          Lolling in tents; when they weren’t rampaging across Arabia and Syria, sitting up all night in prayer, or settling scores with each other. Other cartoons are also available

        • Damaris Tighe

          I’m sure you’re right. Until recently (& even now) it wasn’t possible to run a headline along the lines of ‘Muslim taxi driver crashes due to Ramadan’.

      • artemis in france

        You’re confusing Imams with reasonable people. And your attempts at empathising with Muslims are a bit pathetic. They don’t care what you think.

        • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

          I think most imams are reasonable people. And I’m not empathising with Muslims. I just think Blindsideflanker is talking bollocks.

          • Blindsideflanker

            So you are telling us that someone going without food and water for 16 hours, is able to function just well at the beginning as they are at the end of it.

            PS I bet there is a significant rise in domestic violence in Muslim households during Ramadan.

            • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

              I do it, two days a week. There are considerable health benefits associated with it, and you wouldn’t believe how the weight drops off you. When I first started, I dropped a stone in a month, and my trousers didn’t fit any more.

              If anything, I think my concentration improves during the period. The best way to deal with the hunger is to focus on something else.

              • Blindsideflanker

                It sounds like you are doing the 2 5 diet, which isn’t Ramadan fasting, do you exclude all fluids as well?

                • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

                  Well, you can have a maximum of 600 calories on your fast days (500 for women), which equates to 3 slices of bread without butter or any toppings at all, 3 eggs, and four carrots. You can either drag this meagre diet out through the day, or you can save up and have a somewhat decent meal in the evenings, which is what Muslims do.

                  No, I don’t abstain from fluids, but I certainly have gone for very long periods without fluids. It’s not a problem if you’ve had plenty to drink beforehand. That the entire Arab world, where water is much more vital than it is here, manages to get through Ramadan every year without disasters breaking out all over the place, and that it hasn’t been a serious problem in the UK in the past, tells me that it’s not going to be a serious problem in the future.

                • Blindsideflanker

                  Then you aren’t comparing like with like. Ramadan is a binge fast diet, which excludes fluids, which is bad for the system.

                • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

                  They seem to do okay with it. Like I asked above, how many Iranair, Pakistan International Airways, Saudia, or other airlines from Muslim countries fall out of the sky during Ramadan? Does Iran or Saudi Arabia have to suspend oil production during Ramadan?

                • pablo58

                  Sorry, but “the entire Arab world……..without disasters breaking out all over the place”? Must be a different one to the one I’m reading about/ seeing on the telly.

                • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

                  Good God Alive! Talk about a non-sequitur. Why don’t you follow the thread and figure out what the f*** we’re talking about???? Jesus!

            • Jeffrey Vernon

              Strange as it seems, they manage. The muslim medical students at UCL took their finals during ramadan a few years ago; they took the whole thing in their stride, revision and papers and vivas.

              • Blindsideflanker

                Wow, you should report that to the world, new breed of human being has been found who can function without sustenance.

                • Jeffrey Vernon

                  It’s not my original discovery; it’s been around for at least 1400 years. The fact is, students take and revise for their exams while fasting between dawn and dusk. For all I know they stuffed themselves just before sunrise.

                • Hugh

                  For a whole 8 hours?

      • evad666

        Mustn’t highlight concerns the remnants of the thought police will object to the spreading awareness of reality.

    • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

      Not to mention the rest of the time.

  • Hippograd

    Is it possible for our public health officials to be any more patronising or sensationalist?

    They’re showing that they care deeply about a vulnerable minority community, who, like all minority communities, are exactly the same as the non-minority community. Only better, thank heaven.

    • Goinlike Billio

      Or is it perhaps about a public body which has nothing better to do than state the bleeding obvious on a subject about which they know less than the people they are lecturing.

  • Eyesee

    On balance, he’s probably right you know. There is a difference between doing things that are sensible and meet needs and challenges rather than creating artificial issues that you can, however survive. I guess the ‘expert’ is doing the usual Left wing bit of assuming you are stupid and need telling all the time. And Islam, coping as it is, as best it can using mediaeval knowledge applied today in much changed circumstances, is otherwise quite often harmless. I remember seeing a Muslim policeman in one of those terrible ‘cops’ type programmes, chasing a baddie and having to give up and puke, due to having not eaten or taken anything to drink all day.

  • Sinceyouask

    Give them time….

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