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Ukip MPs would have to trim and compromise like everyone else, wouldn’t they?

26 July 2014

26 July 2014

Ukip are holding an action day in Thurrock today. Their tails are up at the moment because a recent poll of marginal seats by Lord Ashcroft put them in first in Thurrock on 36%. The party also leads in Thanet South, according to this round of polling.

Ukip very kindly offered me the chance to interview its candidate in Thurrock, Tim Aker MEP (pictured above). I declined due to diary commitments; but I did submit some written questions which I thought might prove relevant if Aker was indeed elected to parliament. I haven’t heard anything back from Ukip, so I reproduce them here for readers of Coffee House to consider:

1). Assuming that Mr Aker was elected to a parliament in which Labour was in coalition with the Liberal Democrats, would he vote for or against the introduction of a graduate tax? And why?

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2). Assuming that Mr Aker was elected to a parliament in which Labour was in coalition with the Liberal Democrats, would he vote for or against the introduction or extension of wealth taxes such as a Mansions Tax or inheritance tax? And why?

3). Assuming that Mr Aker was elected to a parliament in which the Conservatives were the largest party forming a minority government, how would he vote on deficit reduction (as defined by the present government’s plan)? And why?

4). Assuming that Mr Aker was elected to a parliament in which the Conservatives were the largest party forming a minority government, would he support legislation introducing a referendum on Britain’s membership of the EU? And why?

Some of those questions touch on the tension that is increasingly at the heart of Ukip: its appeal to disgruntled middle class ex-Tories on the hand, and to alienated working class ex-Labourites on the other. Lord Ashcroft says that his polls suggest that Ukip is beginning to erode the gains which Labour has made in the marginal seats since 2010. It follows, then, that if Ukip is to win a seat it will have done so thanks in great part to former Labour voters. I expect that those people see the issues surrounding question 2 in a rather different light than does, say, Sir Stuart Wheeler.

This leads me to a final point. Nigel Farage wants to take part in TV debates and other major cross-party events. It is, surely, in the interests of David Cameron and Ed Miliband to make Farage demonstrate what Ukip will do in parliament on a daily basis, especially in a hung parliament. Even smiling Nigel cannot be all things to all men all of the time.


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  • Raddiy

    What one dimensional thinking!!

    So UKIP can only respond to policy in the world according to the positions of Lib/Lab/Con.

    I would imagine UKIP would vote against any tax increase, whilst governments of any shade are able to find £12billion for Overseas Aid, £5 billion to the EU, and taxing poor people on their energy bills to pay land-owners to build wind turbines, and all the rest of the green lunacy that empties our pockets.

    What deficit reduction, the government is borrowing more and more every month, indebting out children and grandchildren to fund the above pet policies. The plan of the present government is of the ‘cunning type’, favoured by Baldrick and treat with disdain and scorn by Blackadder, UKIP would be wise to take a similar postion. The governments deficit reduction plan seems to be the government equivalent of an individual getting another credit card to move his debt around, to keep the bailiffs off their back.

    UKIP would probably start from a position, that given his re-election, Cameron would send the referendum promise into the long grass way past the 2020 GE, on the practical fact that it would be impossible to get any meaningful changes before the 2017 deadline.

    If he is forced to go with the 2017 date for the referendum by his backbenchers, then he will recommend a vote to stay in, on the basis that he negotiated the UK exclusive access to the fish stocks of Dover sole within a 1 mile circumference of Dover harbour, or something equally irrelevent.

    In reality any referendum by the Conservative party either in our out of coaltiion will be fixed, we have enough historical precedents to show that. UKIP should go with the flow and see what happens, whilst continuing to politically disembowel the Conservative Party.

    UKIP MP’s as with all elected UKIP politicians would not be whipped, and will take a position that is most beneficial to their constituents.

  • Mike

    Nigel Farage has already shown he’s not afraid of debate its Cameron & Milliband that have the yellow streaks down their backs and refuse to debate.

    Question 1 – is hardly an earth shattering major party issue for LibLabCon so its just a bit of pot stirring by Blackburn. Not worthy of any response.

    Question 2 – On a mansion tax I’m sure UKIP is neither for nor against and rightly so. It wont fill the treasuries coffers if introduced nor will it make peoples lives any better. This is a minor political question designed purely to stir the pot. Its an irrelevance, thats why.

    Question 3 – There’s every sign that UKIP sings from a similar song sheet over deficit reduction and as for why, it makes sense doesn’t it.

    Question 4 – Support for a referendum over EU membership would depend very much on how Cameron crafted the referendum and whether he’d agree within a specific timescale to leave if the electorate wanted to exit the EU. As thats unlikely to happen, I doubt whether UKIP would support the Tories and rightly so.

    These questions are either irrelevant, mischief making or the circumstances whilst Camerons in charge will never happen. Perhaps Mr. Blackburn would be better asking Cameron what he intends to do as he is in power and his questions are hypothetical !!!!

  • http://batman-news.com The Commentator

    The place to find the answers to these questions must surely be the 2015 UKIP general election manifesto. Some journalists are incredibly dull-witted fellows.

  • Lady Magdalene

    The answer to all 4 questions is probably “it depends.”
    It my depend on the detail of what is proposed – and we won’t know that until the proposal is put to the House.
    The difference between LibLabCON and UKIP is that UKIP MPs will put the interests of the British people above those of immigrants and the EU. That is what will influence every voting decision.

  • Tim

    What an absolute shambles of an article. Four completely irrelevant questions.

    Perhaps the author might want to revisit the 2010 election and the questions and narrative surrounding that to get a flavour of how the ‘grown up’ parties behave and the level of debate. I seem to remember it all hinged on the tories £6b worth of cuts for 2010/2011. Talk about utter irrelevance. All parties ducked the issue of tax and spend and got all excited about £6b as though this number made any difference whatsoever.

    Dear Fraser – can you do better than this? Maybe hire a couple of pro UKIP writers to show the diversity of opinion you are so keen to promote (which is usually some leftie talking cr@p) ?

  • revkevblue

    The Questions are irrelevant, as UKIP will be the majority party,
    It has to be, otherwise in ten years we will be ruled by a Muslim Government coalition
    Wake up and smell the Coffee for all our sakes,
    Try looking outside the box Mr Blackburn, it is no longer business as usual and life in this country will never be the same.
    Instead of coming up with smart self stroking hypothetical questions, attacking UKIP why don’t you ask what will life be like if we were subject to a Labour-Muslim coalition and what kind of laws they would be passing.
    Read the facts, do the sums, England is on course to be the first Country in Europe to be run by the muslim doctrine.

  • Streben80

    It is hardly a new challenge to anyone in UKIP, the skills of bringing such a diverse range of people together exist already – up and down the country there are branches where people from many different backgrounds come together and thrash out a local agenda – what it involves is discussion and give & take. What binds UKIP together are common goals and those common goals give a great deal of motivation to meet people halfway.
    There is a common misconception that Labour voters and old Conservatives are really that different but actually many of them are not once you strip away they tribalism – most people want financial security, food on the table, civil society and freedom – these things are not exclusive to any one section of society.
    A simple example is this – old Tories hate welfare costs, old Labour want secure, plentiful employment opportunities – fix the latter and you sort the former. On immigration some people worry about the cultural impact, some worry about the employment impact, but they both want immigration controlled so control immigration and you meet the needs of both groups.
    The biggest challenge is the rhetoric around policy which seems to drive the debate far more than any common sense regarding the actual impact of the policy.

  • Radford_NG

    UKIP having a good laugh today.Cameron appeared on local radio yesterday talking about how much better things were on Tyneside.The BBC presenter stopped him and pointed out he was on Radio Tees.[For outsiders that’s at least 30 miles to the south.]

    • foxoles

      They’re a bit thick, these Etonians, aren’t they?

    • Holly

      I live in West Yorkshire and have always associated the NE with the Tyne.
      It might be ‘insulting’/sheer ignorance on my part, but the Tees is very rarely mentioned. It is not done with any malice, it is partly media-led…
      Who thinks of the Tees when thinking about the Jarrow boys, Grange Hill or Ant & Dec. Newcastle or ‘The fog on the Tyne’?
      If you know what I mean.
      I do not know one thing about Tees, and no one is telling us down South(ish) what is happening there. We genuinely NEVER hear about it.

      • Lady Magdalene

        Don’t you think the fact that he was being interviewed by Radio Tees should have rung a bell or two in his head?

        • Damaris Tighe

          They’re parachuted in to spout the same deadening nonsense. Why should they know where they are?

  • southerner

    The Spectator. Once the home of Waugh, Larkin, Greene and Bates. Now inhabited by fools like this who posses not the slightest insight outside the sheep-think of the Westminster bubble and who write complete dross like this article. Utterly embarrassing.

  • http://atoryblog.blogspot.com Man in a Shed

    Of course there will be compromises, but if you’re not in power then you don’t get to trade them.

    The Conservatives could win the next general election if they had an agreement with UKIP, but it seems they’d rather EdMiliband was PM than allow any UKIP MPs to enter parliament. Why us that?

    • Alexsandr

      its not up tot he tories to do a deal with UKIP. I think UKIP would be finished if they did a deal with the tories. If UKIP hold the balance of power in 2015, I would favour a minority government with an understanding with UKIP, not a coalition.

    • revkevblue

      They are both pro EU,

  • foxoles

    ‘It is, surely, in the interests of David Cameron and Ed Miliband to make Farage demonstrate what Ukip will do in parliament on a daily basis, especially in a hung parliament. ‘

    What a ridiculous thing to say. No-one knows what they will be doing in the next parliament on a daily basis, and that goes double for a hung parliament – because, as we all know to our cost, apart from anything else there would have to be a coalition agreement.

    • Alexsandr

      we could have a minority government which could have an understanding with UKIP.

  • Conway

    Why do you assume that ex-Labour supporters are not aspirational? Not everybody is eaten up with envy, you know..

  • Roger Arthur

    Neither Cameron, nor Milliband will get a working majority in May. So, 10 to 15 UKIP MPs could well hold the balance of power, holding (probably) Cameron’s feet to the fire.

    From recent County and Euro election results, voters now know what they can achieve & they will want to move the ratchet up a further level. They are sick of spin and deception from the old political classes & will want to see more bloody noses.

    Of course we are sorry for those who have their parties & political careers (and their 11% rise) to think about!

    • Roger Arthur

      After all, we are all in this together!

  • HookesLaw

    ‘Even smiling Nigel cannot be all things to all men all of the time.’ – thats not going to stop him trying.
    Farage is the new Clegg.

    • Blakenburg

      I hope not ! Clegg has no leadership qualities what so ever.

    • southerner

      Cameron is the old Heath.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …or the H2B.

        • Holly

          God! not another new rail rink.

    • Wessex Man

      Your extreme hatred of all things not Dave is showing again Hooky babe.

  • Blakenburg

    This is nothing but a silly question. Surely UKIP MP’s will act in the best interest of the country and people. Circumstances will alter cases, but having no crystal ball, and no one can foretell the future, I can not see the point of this article. Mr Blackburn must be running out of sensible articles to write about, Writing hypothetical political viewpoint for armchair politicians who may be reading this nonsense, shows he needs to think before he waylay any opinion that might persuade voters to his way of thought !

  • andagain

    Ukip MPs would have to trim and compromise like everyone else, wouldn’t they?

    Only if they wanted to get something done. Not if they just wanted to grandstand.

    • Holly

      Trim foreign aid budget.
      Slash EU budget.
      Slash unnecessary incomers
      Deport all foreign criminals that have gone through the courts and been given a slap on the wrist.
      Deport all foreign criminals from our prisons.

      UKIP will ‘trim’, unlike everyone else.
      As for the compromise, well the long term unemployed, young boob-job/gastric band recipients would have to go to work.

  • whs1954

    Sorry, but why bother questioning the man, Mr Blackburn? You might just as well ask the Tory candidate for Ebbw Vale or the Labour candidate for Richmond who they will support in a hung Parliament.

    The last two years, the media (the Spec is not absolved of this) have ramped UKIP for the March-April-May election period – for want of something to say they have pumped-pumped-pumped Nigel Farage in saloon bars drinking pints. Had they not done so, UKIP would not have achieved its successes in the 2013 county elections or the 2014 Europeans.

    I guess, though, with 2015 being a General Election year, the media might just have more important things to focus on than Farage sining a pint or the UKIP candidate for Nowheresville saying something daft on Twitter – like what Cameron or Miliband have to say about governing Britain. And hence, I can work out UKIP will not win a single MP. Hence Mr Aker’s views on the world are as irrelevant as mine, or of any other Joe Bloggs of Acacia Avenue, So why run them?

  • ButcombeMan

    The utter irrelevance of this article and Blackburn’s questions is just astonishing.

    Another new Editorial low for the Speccie.

    Dire. Awful. Is Blackburn not embarrassed? He should be. Someone paid him money, for this?

    • HookesLaw

      Why? Is it immoral to ask what UKIP stands for? Just what are potential UKIP voters voting for?
      Are potential ‘traditional’ labour voters be voting for a right wing capitalist party?
      Are they going to vote for a perty that is going to savagely cut expenditure – and which expenditure?

      • Alexsandr

        what makes you say traditional labour voters dont want a right wing party. Many of them voted tory before but events in the 80’s killed the tory brand in many areas. I remeber Leeds having 2 tory MP’s in the 70’s, one being keith joseph.
        maybe people are starting tot hink for themselves and not voting labour cos their dad did…

      • ButcombeMan

        We /know/ what UKIP stands for, FAR more important issues than the frippery of a graduate tax or a “mansion tax”.

        Blackburn is trying desperately to be smart and is down amongst the weeds.

        I did not suggest his questions were immoral, I said they were largely irrelevant,

        I mean, to the UKIP mission.

        For the rest, he should wait for the manifesto and not be so crass.

      • echo34

        If he wants to ask then he needs to turn up for the damn interview on offer!

      • Lady Magdalene

        Asking hypothetical questions and expecting to get a policy commitment in response is the height of stupidity.

      • Lady Magdalene

        The “traditional Labour voters” who are switching to UKIP are almost certainly “Thatcher’s Tories and their children.
        Not the brainwashed tribal Labour voters who come mainly from the public sector and immigrant vote.

  • the viceroy’s gin

    “Ukip very kindly offered me the chance to interview its candidate in
    Thurrock, Tim Aker MEP (pictured above). I declined due to diary
    commitments…”

    .

    Were you Speccie kids really expecting this nonsense to be swallowed unthinkingly, lad? So, you don’t have time to interview this candidate, but you have time to dream up disjointed questions that are nothing more than bubble-centric rhetorical inquisitions, is it?

    Please, spare us. But take a look at the nonsense charade you’ve played here, and understand that there is good reason why you “journalists” are viewed by the public as somewhere down with lawyers, kiddie fiddlers, crack dealers and politicians. You’re earned your station. This is why UKIP is thriving, because of the likes of you.

    • echo34

      Cherie Blair’s 60th took them all out over the weekend.

  • Augustus

    “Even smiling Nigel cannot be all things to all men all of the time.”

    But he can at least demonstrate that his party isn’t racist for a start, as is easily seen by the voters of all races on their books. When politicians call their opponents ‘far right’ it’s intended to conjure up imagery of racism and other nasty things. The fact is these liberal elites like an EU in which they can siphon off even more money to pad their employment and expansionist projects. Are afraid of new winners whose voters oppose allowing that same well-worn group of failures to continue defining their
    future for them. They want a fresh wind in which to sail into a more exiting future.

    • The_Missing_Think

      So for clarification, UKIP are pro-Londonistan, Englandistan, Westernistan?

      • Augustus

        No, I think they are for toleration, but also for the prosecution of those who promote terror, either on the streets or in mosques. A sensible approach to immigration is sorely needed, especially the Islamist threat and the radicalization of Muslim youth. It’s better to allow a non-racist political party to deal with such matters than to wait until the security and stability of the state is in danger, and risk a clash between Sharia radicalism and nationalist extremism.

        • Damaris Tighe

          Well said.

      • Wessex Man

        There you go, you are well named you missed it again!

        • The_Missing_Think

          Yep, guilty as charged, I’m just not cringy and pe-ce enough for you brave ‘right-wingers’.

          The same cowardice that got us here perhaps?

          • Wessex Man

            Thanks for comfirning it my opinion of you.

            • The_Missing_Think

              No problem, and a return ‘thank you’, to you, for flushing yourself out and confirming you’re a closet pro-Londonistani, pro-Westernistani, on a demographic level.

              In effect, it makes you anti-Powell, celebrating exactly what he warned against.

              Well done you.

              • Wessex Man

                Thank you for proving what a nutter you are.

                • The_Missing_Think

                  Yeah… sure… Enoch Powell was a ‘racist’ nutter for being anti-Londonistan… so declares the… cough… squeaky clean pe-ce ‘right-winger’.

                  Keep digging, Churchill next… eh, ‘right-winger?

  • Radford_NG

    Wouldn’t start talking to UKIP about the `deficit`(as public sector BORROWING is now called) if I were you.They’ll only start banging on about the inexorable rise in the National DEBT.

    • Alexsandr
    • Chris Morriss

      And quite rightly so. Until the deficit is NEGATIVE, the debt will continue to rise.

    • Roger Arthur

      They might even tell you that the national debt could be paid off in a few years, if we weren’t losing £165billion pa, (professor Congdon) due to EU membership.

  • cargill55

    Vote against the taxes , system too complex and we are taxed too much.
    Vote for deficit reduction.
    Vote for a referendum providing it is an honest offer of a referendum .

  • cargill55

    Excellent news about UKIP local by election win in Doncaster Thursday.
    http://www.ukip.org/ukip_scores_by_election_win_in_miliband_s_backyard

  • cargill55

    There would be no compromise on fundamental UKIP policy.
    A sovereign, democratic Britain governed in the interests of the British people whose main policies would include
    -EU exit,
    -ending political correctness and multicultural extremism,
    -controlled immigration,
    -better border control,
    -a well resourced military used to defend our interests ,
    -a sane energy policy ,
    -a smaller state and lower tax and spend where money is spent on Britain not international allcomer
    -repaired British democracy.

  • slyblade

    As someone who was at Thurrock to day (i am in the photo) the word from the doorstep was people were fed up with all the main parties, they were not interested in the questions posed by Mr Blackburn. The people of Thurrock want a local who is accountable to them, who will fight their corner. They are fed up with being told lies, fed up with spin, fed up with the whole Westminster bubble ignoring the demands. They are fed up with seeing their disposable incomes dwindling in front of them. As one nurse told me who works in a local hospice we only have eight beds to cover a huge area. Why is billions being spent on foreign aid when we cant even look after are own terminally ill. THAT MR Blackburn is what people are talking about.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      You’re wasting your breath. Every one of these Speccie kids knows only the bubble. They don’t even know what they don’t know, it’s so bad.

      • slyblade

        spot on

    • Colonel Mustard

      And Weird Ed says “Here’s what I think matters” which neatly encapsulates the problem.

      Britain is now being run by out of touch wonk politicians influenced by vociferous lobby groups. Ordinary people don’t get a look in.

      • slyblade

        agreed

      • Blindsideflanker

        Indeed, it is an admission of not knowing what matters in the country when they say ‘I think’ . And when they do do something, they then preface their actions by claiming ..’it is the right thing to do’ ( a bit stupid to do something that is the wrong thing to do) but they use it as coverage for a complete lack of argument they have to support their actions.

        • Damaris Tighe

          Some PR clone told politicians that this is a good thing to say a few years ago, along with (excuse me while I reach for my sick bag): ‘hardworking people’ & ‘inclusive’. I remember in the 1980s the fad was for ‘aspirations’ but that seems to fallen out of fashion.

    • Shorne

      I think you will find that the 0.7% of the UK gross national income that is spent on foreign aid would make very little difference in the general scheme of things.

      • Chris Morriss

        But as a famous retailer says: “Every little helps!”.

      • foxoles

        If it makes so little difference, it won’t matter if it’s cut, then, will it?

        • Shorne

          It makes very little difference to the UK but can be vital for some other human beings, but they are all ‘foreign’ so naturally you care nothing for them. I do believe that some of it is given to countries that don’t need it however.

          • Colonel Mustard

            Oh, please don’t conflate caring with signing cheques. It is too easy to boast about spending £11billion overseas when the money is not yours but borrowed and the repayment is foisted on others. Don’t you get that?

            It is also dishonest to try to represent reservations about that folly as xenophobia.

            And before you assert that it makes “very little difference” to the UK just stop and think for a moment what £11,000,000,000 could be used for here.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Do you honestly believe those ‘cheques’ go to the people who need it lad?

            • jazz606

              Mercedes get a big share.

          • Cyril Sneer

            You actually think foreign aid goes to people who need it??

            8D

      • HookesLaw

        And a significant sum is spent in the UK.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          …which is the whole point of you LibLabCon socialists: To use that spending to enrich favored interests, your fellow socialist buddies.

          • Shorne

            Explain

            • Wessex Man

              ‘Figures to back that up?’ ‘Explain’

              is that the best argument you can put forward?

              • Shorne

                It’s not an argument it’s a request for information – the argument comes next.

                • Wessex Man

                  Why not present an argument of your own.

                • Shorne

                  I will when my questions have been answered, I’m not psychic.

                • Wessex Man

                  Can’t you look up the figures then and why does the viceroy’s gin comment need to be explained any to you?

            • Inverted Meniscus

              Labour has created a huge public sector and benefit dependent constituency which it showered with money between 1997 and 2010. It bankrupted the country in the process because when ” the end to boom and bust” proved to be a chimera as we new it would, there was no money left to revive the British economy. Brown bequeathed a £168 billion structural deficit and a 7.4% contraction of the economy and the only thing socialist nutters like yourself can do is blather on about foreign aid.

            • the viceroy’s gin

              It’s self explanatory.

      • slyblade

        To the nurse who has to account for every penny spent so she can manage the relief of pain and suffering, your comments are a complete insult.

        I hope one day you do not find yourself needing such relief, what inward thinking imbecile you are.

        • Shorne

          You are advocating not sending any money abroad but call me ‘inward thinking’ for wanting it to continue…think about it, thanks for wishing me ill, typical reactionary right wing spite.

          • Wessex Man

            The best thing we could send abroad as aid is condoms and miliions of pills.

            • Holly

              Paid for by who?
              Can’t see the manufacturers donating them for free.

              • Wessex Man

                Paid out of a fraction of our Overseas Aid that need not go abroad at all say to Argentina, Brazil, China and India for a start!

          • slyblade

            As usual you see thing that are not there, do you have special glasses for that. I did not say we should NOT send any money abroad, i said we should look after our own first. But having a left thinking braincell you would not be able to comprehend that logic. The people in this country who have paid into the system should come first, if this gets up your lefty nose then so be it.

            And here are some real facts to ponder; most of our Foreign aid is unaccountable to the end user most is syphoned off by corrupted governments. So yes lets look after our own and if we have spare then send it, but through registered charities not foreign government’s

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10545685/Britain-spends-500m-on-foreign-aid-for-most-corrupt-countries.html

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2532009/Britains-aid-millions-help-corrupt-regimes-world-revealed-Camerons-target-finally-hit.html

            • Shorne

              Ah yes the Mail owned by Lord Rothermere who has non-domicile tax status and the Telegraph and the Spectator for that matter owned by the Barclay Brothers whose tax affairs are extremely dubious. If activities like this were tackled head on it wouldn’t matter how much the foreign aid budget was.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Well we have had quite enough of your socialist nuttery lad. We are sick of having our money spent by socialist politicians whose only interest is the retention of power for their own selfish aims and use our money to bribe their core vote.

            • Shorne

              Ah I think you’re cheating a bit your ridiculous use of the word ‘lad’ shows you to be ‘the viceroy’s gin’. I wonder if you are giving yourself ‘up’ arrows.

              • Inverted Meniscus

                No I am not but is a useful device for exposing childish socialist nutters like yourself laddie.

                • Shorne

                  Whenever I tell my family that somebody thinks I’m a socialist then, after they have stopped laughing, they say they can’t know what a socialist is.

                • Shorne

                  How so?

          • monsieur_charlie

            But he is right – isn’t he?

            • Shorne

              No he wouldn’t know a socialist if he woke up in bed with one, although I do concede that that is probably unlikely.

        • Damaris Tighe

          The idea of diverting money abroad when it’s needed here is indeed scandalous but I suspect in many cases it’s a bribe for being able to do business under another name (as companies are no longer allowed to bribe with their own money).

      • Atticus

        For a start it would pay for university grants and could wipe out student debt.

        • Shorne

          Figures to back that up?

    • P_S_W

      So national politics doesn’t matter at all? Not even an EU withdrawal?

      • slyblade

        Most people do not associate fully how much the EU infringes on our daily lives. But talking to them yesterday UKIP was putting the case that it dose. Leaving the EU would benefit all of the UK.

    • Lady Magdalene

      Well done for going. I couldn’t this time, but will turn out if Tim does it again.

      • slyblade

        Thanks Mag the more the merrier :-)

  • The Masked Marvel

    The Conservative establishment are worried, aren’t you?

  • BarkingAtTreehuggers

    EU: vote Ukip, don’t get Schulz, get Juncker.
    UK: vote Ukip, don’t get Tory, get Labour.
    Cool!

    • Alexsandr

      vote for the party who reflects your views. dont listen to the idiots who say you should vote for a party you dont like to keep another party out.

      • telemachus

        I will
        That way I will have the satisfaction of being with the winning team

        • Alexsandr

          voting UKIP then?

        • saffrin

          Hmm, yes. The problem with that is you have Ed miliband, Ed Balls and Harriet Harman on your team.

      • Shorne

        I think UKIP will win at least one of these seats, more likely South Thanet, I lived there for a while and the incipient blinkered xenophobia I observed will probably be a factor. When I think of UKIP I tend to focus on pillars of the party as Councillor Gordon Gillick who sneered at three children from foster homes by asking them what it was like to be ‘takers’. This from a man who sired 10 children, I wonder how much he took from the state? He also said this “The people we describe as obese, thick, badly educated, whichever way you like to phrase it… they enjoy being 25 stone, they’re not discontent, they’re just a burden on the state.” what a wonderful ambassador he is for his party.

        • Wessex Man

          I think Tory and I think of Swindon Tory Council Leader Nick Martin who asked of Disabled people ‘Are we still allowing Mon**** to have s** with each other and I think to myself what a wonderful ambassador he is for his party.

          Thought I’d better censor some of the wrds he said or comment might not be allowed!

          • Shorne

            Good point, best to vote Labour then.

            • Conway

              if you think they are blameless, you have been living incommunicado for the last few years!

            • Inverted Meniscus

              And complete the financial and moral destruction of Britain. We have had quite enough fascism thank you very much.

            • DWWolds

              Try remembering Gordon Brown before you do so.

              • Shorne

                Is he likely to be the Prime Minister/Chancellor? I must have missed that.

            • Wessex Man

              I think Labour and I think of the nine Asian Labour councillors in East London because of the racism againt them by the Local Labour Party. What wonderful ambassadors for their party!

          • Holly

            As people so kindly keep reminding us…
            Cameron IS NOT a Tory!

            • Wessex Man

              Tell me Holly, what has that got to do with my comment?

              • Holly

                ‘I think Tory and I think Swindon Tory Council leader’.

                • Wessex Man

                  I was merely countering the argument put forward by Shome.

      • BarkingAtTreehuggers

        Would someone who can be trusted please step forward and explain the difference between First Past The Post and any other democratic system of proportional representation?

        • Alexsandr

          FPTP. country divided into constituencies. Each constituency sends 1 MP to the commons, he who got the most votes. That MP is then your point of contact, and is supposed to represent his electorate. all of them. Tends to work against smaller parties.
          PR has larger constituencies, and each party puts up a list of candidates. The parties get MP’s in proportion to the number of votes. But the electorate cant say I like candidate 2 from the freejelly party list and candidate 1 is useless. the parties decide on the order of the lists. Can let in smaller parties which is why UKIP do well in euro elections, but stifles local independants like the kidderminster one.

          all systems have the disadvantage in that they are stitched up by the parties. and the MP’s in parliament are restricted by the whips.

          • BarkingAtTreehuggers

            Thank you for that, it is much appreciated.
            So Kidderminster must now bleed for the following reality:
            1- 28% of the votes = 350 odd seats in the house
            2- 18% of the votes = 0 seats in the house.

            I love it! Kidderminster, you single-handedly saved Britain from mob rule.

    • Wessex Man

      Di******!

      • Chris Morriss

        I had to spend a second or two to realise that “head” was the second syllable.

        • Damaris Tighe

          So did I. Obviously our minds are as pure as the driven snow.

    • Conway

      EU: vote Tory, don’t get Schulz, get Juncker.
      UK: vote Tory, don’t get Conservative, get Labour lite.

      Better to vote for something you really do want than vote for something you don’t really want to keep out something you really don’t want.

  • itdoesntaddup

    Assuming that David Blackburn has a brain he would understand that the saliency of Mansion Tax is low and its ability to raise revenue limited (it might even be negative). Imposing proper control on immigration will far outweigh it as a consideration for voters.

    The question on graduate tax is absurd, as we already have an array of graduate taxes (at least on successful graduates). Much more tricky would be a question about cutting the number of university places so that a) we weren’t educating our competitors, and b) the numbers who would never pay off their student loans would be sharply reduced, but that is easily countered by promising to spend sensibly on appropriate training for those who don’t make the grade.

    It is also not sensible to talk in terms of fiscal stance without considering how that might be achieved by different combinations of spending and taxation. You could expect UKIP to support very sharp cuts in aid spending and the doling out of subsidies to foreign windmill companies.

    The problem for the established parties is that more prominence for UKIP will lead to more questioning of some of their hopelessly bad policies that matter to voters, not that the public will respond to esoteric Westminster bubble views on Newsnight.

  • Smithersjones2013

    Perhaps we should ask Tim Aker what he would do if pigs were seen flying over Westminster? This childish what if scenario is rather pathetic because frankly given the likely hood of another damaging coalition who knows what any of the party’s will do.

    Perhaps the first question should be for all of the leaders. “In the case that no party wins a majority what would you do?”. Now wouldn’t that be interesting? Then we could follow up with questions about various scenarios regarding the EU and future integration.We can all think up imaginary scenarios.

    However that misses the point. It has been proven time and again that many voters have no idea what policies belong to each party and in fact it is the tainted and toxic nature of the party itself that is the problem. That a party is perceived to have deserted this group ( the White Working Class in Labour’s case) or another. That a party cannot be trusted (e.g. Libdems on Tuition Fees, Tories on Europe, Labour on virtually everything except their sacred cow the NHS)

    So it really doesn’t matter what Tim Aker thinks about pigs flying over Westminster now does it because the Tories will still be toxic and Labour will still have deserted the white working classes!

    PS Of course if we are speculating about what parties will do

    • telemachus

      The hypotheses are all irrelevant
      *
      Polling consistently tells us that Tory, LibDem’s and UKIP alone or in pairs will not be able to form a government next time
      *
      They do however show that the major effect of each percentage rise in the UKIP vote disproportionately disadvantages the Tories
      This is why I relish the publicity oxygen given to UKIP by articles such as this

      • Alexsandr

        UKIP will decimate the white labour vote. Look at the council result in Rotherham. UKIP even did well in millipedes constituency in Doncaster. Traditional labour voters look at Milliband and dont like what they see.

        • whs1954

          No they won’t. Have you no idea to the difference between how people vote in ‘mid-term’ elections for the council and the real world of general elections? I’ll give you a hint: UKIP will not sweep Rotherham at the 2015 general election – indeed, no more than they swept Rotherham at the by-election.

          • Wessex Man

            ‘No they won’t.’ you then ask a to which you don’t have the answer, you can only guess if you were 100% sure tyou would be very wealthy beingable to predict all results. Your comments are as meaniless as tele not very nice babe!

            • telemachus

              Running scared
              You and UKIP are concerned because you recognise we are correct

        • Inverted Meniscus

          No voter looks at Miliband and likes what they see.

      • Augustus

        “This is why I relish the publicity oxygen given to UKIP by articles such as this”

        Wouldn’t it be marvellous, just for a change, to see all three main parties reeling on GE night, as UKIP pulled off an achievement that no one could have predicted, and main party candidates beaten by UKIP in region after region as the results rolled in.

        • telemachus

          Everyone’s worst nightmare
          Society would collapse
          There would be Marshal Law

          • Alexsandr

            martial law, idiot. its an adjective meaning to do with the military.

            • telemachus

              Sorry dyslexic- thanks

              • girondas2

                “Sorry dyslexic- thanks”
                Dyslexic?
                Middle class for stupid

              • Wessex Man

                Now listen here you slimy communist lying piece of work, you are desperate to try and find a way to hurt Ukip but none of it works. No one believes the lies you spout, probably never have but carry on you are a good recruiting aid for UKip.

            • telemachus

              Sorry dyslexic- thanks

            • Shorne

              He typed martial law….?

              • Alexsandr

                marshal. then he editied it.

                • Shorne

                  Perhaps he likes Westerns.

          • Blakenburg

            You must be having a nightmare, giving a scenario of your dream. Surely Augustus was playing out a possible picture that would not be detrimental to the well being of a future parliament ! Unless it is wishful thinking on your part in regards to your description ?

            • telemachus

              Remember the reverse
              What happened to Allende in Chile

              • Blakenburg

                We live in the UK. Politics in South America containing national dictators are worlds apart to freedom of choice in the UK, there is no comparison !

    • Lady Magdalene

      Spectator comment of the week.

  • terence patrick hewett

    4. Assuming it was dicovered that the moon was made of green cheese; what would be the position of UKIP on cheese mining?

    Tim should tell Blackburn to get stuffed.

    • Ian Walker

      The answer to every single question should be “Wait and see what’s in our election manifesto”

    • Aberrant_Apostrophe

      Miliband would be straight there, especially as even he has admitted to bearing an uncanny resemblance to Wallace.

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