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‘They started it!’ Joan Rivers weighs in on Gaza conflict

28 July 2014

1:44 PM

28 July 2014

1:44 PM

With characteristic bluntness and admirable concision, Joan Rivers has offered her thoughts on the Israel-Hamas conflict: ‘Let me just tell you, if New Jersey were firing rockets into New York, we would wipe them out.’ She also lobs a few rockets at ‘college grad’ Selina Gomez for her pro-Gaza tweets: ‘Let’s see if she can spell “Palestinian”.’  Watch her rant above.


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  • http://www.twf.org Enver Masud

    New York is not occupying New Jersey. Under International law, Palestinians have the right to defend themselves or resist by all means — occupying Israel does not. More at http://www.twf.org/News/Y2014/0709-Gaza.html

  • Torybushhug

    HEROIC IDF SOLDIERS OFTEN FAR FROM THE BATTLEFIELD AGAINST CHILDREN THAT ARE INSIDE THE BATTLEFIELD EACH DAY WITH NONE OF THE TECHNOLOGY, MEDICINE AND INFRASTRUCTURE THE IDF ENJOYS.
    Men beating babies.

  • Augustus

    The more children are killed, the happier it makes Hamas. Hamas runs the war entirely for the media. the more child soldiers lose their lives, the happier those leaders are. And to think that some people actually predicted that Hamas would turn into a peaceful political organization. This conflict draws more attention, and produces more emotion and finger-wagging in the West than all the other conflicts and killings in the ME put together. And we all know why: Because of the Jews.

  • P_Cochrane

    When did they start it Joan? 1947? 1967? Do we wait until all of the land has been invaded and the genocide is over then Israel says , ‘What dissent?’

  • Jim

    I wonder why she changed her name from Molinsky? What does “Rivers” have to do with Molinsky?

  • Vito Dell’Erba

    “They started it”…..The perfect attitude in resolving any problem. Someone her age should speak words of wisdom, not trash!

  • Michael_S_Harris

    Joan Rivers recently stated Obama was gay and Michelle was a tranny.
    So much for her credibility.
    Once a loon always a loon.
    BTW you can’t be called a starter of aggression against an occupier.

  • globalissues

    I wish peace to Gaza

    • Terry Field

      sanctimonious claptrap

      • Jim

        Why are you so angry?

        • Terry Field

          My dear chap!
          Angry?
          Moi?
          I am avuncular contentment made flesh.
          Please therefore take yourself somewhere else.

  • Mike

    Having just watched an exchange between a Sky news left wing journalist
    just 2 minutes ago and an Israeli spokesperson over whats happening in
    Gaza, it was unbelievable. The twisting of facts and disregard of
    rockets being launched into Israel by this Jew hater on Sky news was
    plain to see. Like all left wing racists against the Jewish state he refused
    to comment on the fact that all it will take to bring peace is a
    cessation of rockets being fired into Israel.

    He refused to accept or comment on the evil elements within Islam that are in Hamas, ISIS and other extremist groups. In fact, he was so bigoted and racists
    against Jews I was astounded that the Israeli representative kept his
    calm and debated rationally whilst this demented bigot ranted on and on
    about irrelevant issues.

    Peace is available if only Hamas will embrace it, but they only want the destruction of the Jewish state and reporters like this one on Sky news is a major part of the problem right now and to call him a journalist is an insult to a once neutral profession. Even the PLO were objective in their moves towards getting a cease fire but this UK SKY journo just wants to see thousands of Jewish bodies to make him feel better about himself.

    • Pat Conway

      Again the ignorant use of the term ‘Jew hater’ because someone has a different viewpoint or dares to question Israel or the IDF.

      • Jim

        Its the standard Israeli response to all criticism, right out of the talking points book along with “School destroyed” Hospital destroyed? Hamas rocket misfire.” Staggeringly disproportionate response, and still no mention of a Palestinian state.

    • Amon Duul

      Peace will only happen when Israel want it, unfortunately that may be never.

      • Mike

        They want it OK and had it for a short while after the previous Hamas actions against them finished 9 years ago. When an agressor comes back for yet another shot at you, you have to put them down again. Thats the way it is and the ball is firmly in Hamas’s court..

  • Terry Field

    GREAT
    She is wonderful!!!
    I want her to take the hormones and HAVE MY BABIES!!!!!!!!!!!!
    AND its time to SHELL New Jersey with TANKS and ARTILLERY and STOP them with my IRON DOME!!
    OH!
    I’m SO excited!!!!!!!!!!!

  • gelert

    Selina Gomez supports Hamas ? Now all they need is Justin Bieber and it’s game over.

  • Deanne Graf

    WOOT…you go girl!! My opinion of Joan Rivers just shot SKY HIGH!! Just wish a few more celebs had the ability to actually think outside the PC box.

    • GraveDave

      Well, she’s also got this idea that it’d be just as well to bomb New Jersey.
      So maybe she doesn’t like Catholics or Italians either.

  • Peter Stroud

    Very refreshing, Miss Rivers! Thank you.

    • GraveDave

      You should send and ask her for her autograph.

  • Mike

    Loved it – how to put down the wet apologists for Hamas terrorism !!!

    Keep it up Joan, those of us with a brain back you to the hilt unlike the s*** for brains wet liberal morons who stick their heads up their butts when tens of thousands of Muslims & Christians are killed by ISIS but are full of s*** when Israel fights back against an agreesor !!!

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  • AndrewMelville

    She is as stupid as she is ugly. If all her plastic surgery fees were spent on infrastructure – New Jersey would be paradise enow

    • pedestrianblogger

      I hope YOU are not as ugly as you are stupid. I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy.

      • AndrewMelville

        Temper, temper, twitboy.

        DON’T USE BLOCK CAPITALS!

        As a prize, you’ve been awarded a week locked in a room with Joan Rivers – ENJOY!

  • Liz

    Don’t worry folks, they’re not real people like you.

  • global city

    She’s right. Mohammed started the whole thing when he wrote that book wot he was told to. It’s full of ‘Kill the Jew’ stuff. Gaza is only the latest manifestation of this.

    • allymax bruce

      Can’t you see you’re still playing-out ‘the promise’ of Isaac or Ishmael ?
      You just know this is all going to end in tears for all concerned. I don’t think any country in the Middle East is capable of calling itself 21st century. You’re all mad.

      • Damaris Tighe

        Your first sentence is the first sensible thing you’ve said. Then it went downhill.

    • Sebastian

      So she’s right because according to you a bunch of lunatic Muslims are killing the Jews based on their religious beliefs that Mohammed started. Couldn’t you say the same thing about the Jews who threw out all the people in the land based on their religious beliefs?
      If the Quran (“That book”) is full of “Kill the Jew” stuff, then the Torah is (the book of the Jews in case you didn’t know) is full of “Kill the Palestinian” stuff, but neither of them are, I’m just playing out your stupidity.

      • David

        The Torah doesn’t mention ‘kill the palestinians’ because it was written before any Arab identified as a Palestinian. The Quran does incite murder and hatred against Jews multiple times (I have actually read it). So does the Hamas charter. Go and read it.

        • Amon Duul

          The Palestinians are the descendants of the Cannanites. Nice try though.

          • David

            Palestinian claims to be related to the Canaanites are a recent phenomenon and contrary to historical evidence. The Canaanites disappeared from the face of the earth three millennia ago, and no one knows if any of their descendants survived or, if they did, who they would be.

            • Amon Duul 3

              Nonsense. The Israelites are Cannanites, unless you believe that stuff about the Exodus. Try reading a book that doesn’t start In the beginning.

              • David

                Of course I don’t believe Exodus or any other fairy tales. Doesn’t change the fact Palestinians have no evidence they descended from Canaanites. The claim is unfounded, just as the claim that Abraham even existed, let alone who his descendants are.

                • Amon Duul 3

                  So you are saying that the claim that Jews are descended from Israelites is a myth.

                • David

                  Yes I am. None of these people know who their early ancestors were unless they have had their DNA traced (possible via Nat Geo), and even then they wouldn’t know who the tribes actually were. In any case, such is the nature of human reproduction that any such modern day Jewish claim could be just as plausibly made by almost anybody. As an example, Genghis Khan died less than 800 years ago, yet it is estimated that 8-10% of the world population is directly descended from him. It doesn’t take too many generations before millions have a common ancestor. Both sides use the ancestry argument for political purposes to claim the land, just as they do the pathetic biblical stories with God as the real estate broker.

    • Amon Duul

      As opposed to that kill the Cannanites stuff in the oh so moral Torah.

      • global city

        yes. I seem to recall Rabbi Blue calling for what ever the Jew version of jihad is the other week…..

        C’mon. Are you serious? perhaps if there were any Cannanites left then one or two Jews may be caught calling for their end, but really… you compare that stuff with what is a constant calling amongst so many contemporary Islamist groups?

        Like this for instance. You go and find me a jew version of something like this and I’ll gladly concede the point. Remember, this is mainstream Palestinain TV.
        http://www.thecommentator.com/article/5132/hamas_tv_broadcasts_call_to_exterminate_all_the_jews

        • Amon Duul

          Racist IDF rabbis calling on soldiers to show no mercy. Rabbis calling for all those who vote for Hamas to be killed. Racism is rampant on the Israeli right. Read about the Kings Torah. Rabbis arguing that children can be killed in case they grow up to be enemies. This is pure justification for murder.

  • GraveDave

    No conflict of interest there though – eh Joan?
    Wonder what Woody Allan thinks

    • pedestrianblogger

      I wonder how Woody Allen spells his surname.

      • GraveDave

        Does it matter? Because you obviously knew who i was talking about anyway.

  • tolpuddle1

    Joan Rivers – a person with an evident willingness, nay eagerness, to wipe people out.

    And a shrewd woman into the bargain, who knows well which side her bread is buttered.

  • MaxSceptic

    Well done, Joan!

  • Marmalade Sandwich

    Good on Joan for her views and for slagging off BBC reporting on this. Just like Charles Moore did in this week’s Spectator where he pointed out that Today, R4, would never have two Arabs discussing how wicked Hamas was after they had two Jews on to do so for Israel.

    • david adra

      a sick twisted mind you are

      • global city

        that’s most likely you actually.

      • Mike

        The standard response from a left wing Neanderthal when confronted with the truth !

        • Sebastian

          I hope you and your family wake up in the middle of the tormented Gaza. I’d love to see your response when confronted with the truth !

          • Alexsandr

            do you know anyone in Israel where they have been subjected to Hamas attacks for years and years. Think on, the only reason more Israelis haven’t been killed is that the Hamas people firing the rockets and the rockets aren’t that good. But its the thought that counts.
            check out the newsreel of the people in Gaza celebrating the twin towers bombings.

  • anyfool

    At last an American Jew with a view, a view that is not subservient to the prevailing lefty consensus in the US and Europe that all Muslims are innocent little angels being destroyed by evil white men.

    • tolpuddle1

      No, many Muslims are criminal lunatics; financed by lazy white people in cars and enabled by evil white men like Bush and Blair to wipe out Middle Eastern Christianity.

      • Mike

        True, but the majority are irrelevant in the scheme of things as they don’t come forward and make their voices heard.

        • Alexsandr

          where is the evidence for this ‘majority’. they must be some secret society.

          • Mike

            You should open your eyes occasionally instead of leaving them wide shut.

            We’re constantly told by the left that only 5% of Muslims are militants and likely to get involved with terrorism or jihads so consequently 95% are allegedly moderates.

            My question is – Where the f*** are they as they never stand up to militants, they don’t protest over ISIS killing
            their brethren by the thousands, they don’t reject the excess’s of Islam, they are IRRELEVANT in fact, appearance and actuality. Rather like the 95% of Germans who looked the other way whilst Jews were sent to the death camps. Passive acceptance of atrocities is hardly any better than actually carrying out the atrocities.

            • Alexsandr

              well, is there passive acceptance or is there general support for jihad?
              thats what we dont know.
              not sure i like either.

              • Mike

                I’d suggest there is active support for a jihad for the following reasons.

                1/ Islam is unique among religions in threatening its detractors or those that leave the fold.

                2/ Whilst most ethic groups integrate well into western societies to the point
                they don’t create ghettos, Islam has created the mother of all ghettos
                around Europe.

                3/ Islamic culture is alien to the west and the reverse is true that western culture is alien to most of those of the Islamic faith.

                4/ The religious leaders rule the roost in Islam just as the protestant
                church did 500 years ago or even the Catholic church not that long ago
                in Ireland.

                5/ Religion has been the scourge of mankind though out history and has
                caused the deaths of millions. The only religion that hasn’t had its
                ‘teeth pulled’ is Islam and therefore it’s still a clear and present danger as
                well as having a malignant cancerous core that needs cutting out.

                • Alexsandr

                  I think your description of Islam (accurate IMHO) can be summed up in 1 word. ‘Bully’

              • wudyermucuss

                High minority percentages of Western Muslims support sharia,jihad,suicide bombings etc

    • Amon Duul

      you mean the prevailing righty view that all Israelis are innocent little angels being destroyed by evil brown men.

  • allymax bruce

    Joan Rivers is a scream; what a brilliant advert for ‘See no Evil, Hear no Evil, Speak no Evil’ !

    ” Hey ! It was them that started it ! ”
    Pure Gold man; Sachs & Sachs of it stolen from the 2008 Crash!

    • pedestrianblogger

      You should get it clear in your mind whether Zionist, Jew and Israeli all mean the same thing before you start spouting off.

      • allymax bruce

        Your Zionist government may be ‘pushing’ that line, but the Orthodox don’t ‘buy it’. I think you’re making the ultimate error; even after your own prophets told you so!

        • pedestrianblogger

          I haven’t got a Zionist government or any prophets. Get another hobby.

    • MissDemeanor

      if there has ever been a terrorist supporting troglodyte poster, to show us jews that we should strengthen our support of Israel and our proud sense of zionism, and continue to stick together, not m after what, it’s you mate.

      you keep go on supporting those who run around killing everybody in sight including each other, thinking they’re not coming for you next.

      cheers.

      • allymax bruce

        Your biggest ever victory has been to con christian churches to believe Judaism is somehow the root of Christianity; when clearly, Jesus came as the Son of God, (not of Man like Isaac or Ishmael), to tell the world Christians are not Jews. Even my own son said to me that Jesus is from the root of David; I asked him how can that be when Jesus is of Immaculate Conception? He answered saying it’s in the Old Testament (OT) with Abraham. I told my son that Jesus is not in/of the OT; Jesus is of God, and the New Testament with God. And, the only connection between Jesus with David was Joseph as the stepfather. The Truth is, Jesus is denied by the Jews, and hated by your Zionists; hence why you have no Christian ethics, but still trying to con Christians to do/take your dirty work on.

  • Augustus

    Is that Joan Rivers? Wow! I haven’t seen her since high school. But, of course she’s totally right, why does anyone defend the Palestinian culture of death? Those ignorant leftists have forgotten that the West and Israel are fighting the same enemy with the same goals. Jew hatred is now so bad in Europe that Jews are fleeing places like France to relocate in war torn Israel. How bad does it have to be that you’d prefer to live in a nation being bombed than in France?

    • dado_trunking

      Jews are fleeing France in droves in favour of settling for the cool breeze of the Golan Heights? Wow bro, you need to add more filler if you wanted me to uptick that one.

    • Wessex Man

      I knew it woulsn’t take long for an apologist to try and bring European Jews into the Israeli war on Gaza!

      • global city

        but the same rationale is at play in both areas. the stupider Muslims are now emboldened enough to openly display their Jew hate for all to see, especially the French Jews (and the Dutch, Norwegian and Danish, for that matter)

        They are going to the only place where the government will definitely not turn against them.

        • Damaris Tighe

          Jerusalem is now full of French Jews.

        • gelert

          Norwegians have always hated Jews.

      • Amon Duul

        Yes why did the JDL start a riot in Paris. Evil fascists.

  • artemis in france

    Wonderful stuff ffom Joan who speaks with the authority of someone who has actually visited Israel. Ban Ki Moon should spend a few nights in Israel near the border with Gaza and discover what a peaceful sleep he doesn’t get. The little toad, as ineffectual as all the rest of the UN leaders over the past few décades, simply spouts his platitudes and does nothing to engender understanding of Israelj’s plight over this matter. It’s about time a few more celebrities who are objective and not ridiculously empathetic to the Palestinian cause started to speak out. All the leftie Liberals have had their say. Unfortunately people are becoming afraid to voice their support of Israel. What does this say about the mainstream media? Where is their objectivity?

    • allymax bruce

      ‘Leftie Liberals’; wtf are you talking about? Palestinian children in Gaza are being massacred on a Crimes Against Humanity scale; what ‘poliitcal leaning’ do these children have? Your problem is that, like all Zionists, you see everything from ‘political leanings’;
      If you’re not ‘Right’, your ‘Left’.
      If you’re not a Zionist, you’re a Liberal.
      If you’re not with us, you’re against us; right?
      Yoos * want to ‘politicise’ this because it allows you to continue your ignorant murder of innocent civilians.

      See this; http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/171904-israel-assault-gaza-strip/

      • John Little

        Oh?; and what have Hamas been trying to do to innocent Israeli civilians day in, day out, year in year out, with rockets and suicide bombers. And what do you imagine Hamas would do to innocent civilians in Israel if it had Israel’s military resources.I suppose you expect Israelis to shut up and suffer in silence. What would you want Scotland to do if it’s citizens were being peppered with rockets aimed from England?

        • allymax bruce

          Joan Rivers is right; your lot started it; so why does it have to include the whole world?
          And, forget the ‘whataboutery’ hypotheses! Deal with the facts, not indulgent permutations of sloganistic fantasy!

          Why do you have to con all the Western governments into supporting your Religious hatred against each other, and expect us to continue to give you murderers the $3 billion every 12 months so you can buy more annihilation weapons for the mass destrruction of all your neighbours???

          • GUBU

            You’re personally giving the Israelis $3 billion a year?

            Can I borrow a tenner?

            • allymax bruce

              I ain’t got a pot to piss in. Can I borrow a tenner from you?
              Tell you what; how’s about this. Me & my mate were out dancing one night and we stopped off at an ATM to get more money; but we had to wait on a couple of girls getting their money out in front of us. So my mate said, “Hey, Mary-Doll, gives a loan of twenty quid”. The girl said, “Sorry, I’ve only got a tenner”. So my mate said, “That’s ok, give me the tenner, and you can owe me the other tenner!”

          • GregoryC

            Rivers is wrong. Since the 1947 Nakba, Israel has removed 700,000 people from their homes, businesses, farms, destroyed towns and villages, oppressed the Palestinians (and non-white Jews, African Jews) and the illegal blockade since 2007.

        • Wessex Man

          how many Israeli women and children have been done brutally to death in this latest exchange?

          • Tom M

            Are you saying that there should be more before it is a fair contest?

            • kingkevin3

              Indeed. The israeli government and those who support its actions are guilty of cowardice and much else. It’s very easy to bomb the innocent to oblivion without any fear of retribution.

              • Damaris Tighe

                Israeli soldiers have been fighting on the ground boobytrapped house to boobytrapped house to reduce civilian casualties. The job could much more easily be done by bombing from the air. It takes great courage to do this.

                The Israelis did the same in Jenin & for the same reason. Because the Palestinian body count wasn’t high enough the Palestinian leaders faked it & called it a ‘massacre’. The UN’s investigation found that rather than 500 Palestinian casualties, there was a total of around 50 dead including Israelis.

            • Sebastian

              No, he’s saying the numbers just don’t add up.
              Its a one sided war fought by the oppressors.

              • Tom M

                Are they supposed to add up then? I seem to recall they didn’t add up on 6th August 1945 either but the world in general was pleased at the outcome.

          • Dutchnick

            Only because the Hamas and most Muslims are ineffective and incompetent. However all that happens is by the grace of Allah maybe he does not like them, but understanding empirical evidence is not their thing.

          • Amon Duul

            Very few.

        • tolpuddle1

          2 wrongs = 1 right.

          Can’t disputants get beyond that ?

        • GraveDave

          Well seeing what the Scottish are like when we’re beating them at football, I sincerely hope we won’t ever have to go to war with them.

        • Sebastian

          But Hamas doesn’t have the military resources or the capable technologies Israel does as you clearly pointed out. So when they fire rockets, it is not intentionally aimed at a civilian. They do not have the kind of technology for that. On the contrary though Israel does, as you also pointed out, and yet with all the technology and mastery they have, hospitals and schools and residential areas are being attacked.

          One must ask if Israel has a right to retaliate for the capture of one of its soldiers by bombing an entire people and destroying life. Don’t the Palestinians also have right to manifold retaliation after the capturing of hundreds of their leaders and holding them indefinitely or without trial? If it was a simple numbers game, the numbers simply don’t stack up.

          If Israel complains about terrorism but looks at the death of Palestinian civilians, including women and children as “collateral damage”, would it be an exaggeration that the Palestinians themselves are victims of state terrorism?

          If Israel has a right (without even adhering to the responsibility of proof) to unleash the dogs of war, deploy fighter planes and tanks against Gaza, kill over a thousand Palestinians in response to the killing of three of its citizens, can we say the Palestinians have an equal right to retaliate a thousand times more? In this game, the numbers don’t stack up, but the bodies do.

          If Israelis have a right to security, independence and freedom, wouldn’t you say the Palestinians have the same rights and perhaps more of a right after decades of Israeli terror, military occupation, and dispossession?

          • Alexsandr

            Have you read the Hamas charter. they vow to destroy Israel the Jews. Check out what the Koran says on Jews too.

            Hamas are using schools and hospitals etc as military assets to fire at Israel. And using their people as human shields to get good footage on TV news so they can play the victim card -and its working.
            Israel is 20% Arab, and they israeli arabs are full citizens. How many Jews in Gaza – oh none, the Israelis chucked them out in 2005. Count the Jews in Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Saudi…
            And check out the triparate of the Muslim brotherhood, Hamas and ISIS. ISIS, the ones who ethnically cleansed the Christians from Mosul, and are proposing to mutilate the genitals of all females of child bearing age.

            The Israeli military are doing their job. their country is being fired at by a hostile force, so they must seek out and destroy the assets of that enemy. For an enemy not destroyed will surely come back and attack you later.

            and no, I’m not Jewish, before you ask.

            • JB_1966

              Well said.

            • Redrose82

              Well said Alexsandr but don’t expect the Israeli hating lefty liberals to agree with the truth.

              • Amon Duul

                Don’t expect the Palestinian hating righties to recognise the truth.

            • Amon Duul

              Check out what the Likud charter says. Check out what the Torah says about slaughtering Cannanites. I’m not Palestinian before you ask.

            • GregoryC

              That’s incorrect. You’re referring to the original charter which is no longer in effect. You are delusional. Israel has bombed SIX UN SHELTERS using precision guided missiles despite the UN giving the IDF the coordinates of the shelters.

            • Sebastian

              Unfortunately, I’ve read the Quran and I’m not sure what your getting at, especially concerning the Jews.
              The Israeli military is not doing its job. After throwing and holding all the Palestinians in Gaza, they now attack them, leaving them with absolutely no place to go.
              This isn’t about Hamas, nor is it about ISIS (I’m not sure how that was relevant in any point you were making), this is about the innocent civilians being massacred by their oppressors that have oppressed them throughout history.

            • Sebastian

              The Israeli military is not doing their job properly as you sadly think they are.

              In 2004 the ICC officially ruled that the attacks that are coming from Gaza are under Israel’s jurisdictional control which means that there needs to be a greater gain from what the IDF military is gaining compared to what the Gaza civilians are losing. And considering the fact that since 2004, 22 people died in Israel from rocket attacks, and thousands and thousands of people have died in Gaza since then due to Israel’s rocket attacks, the numbers clearly show it is uneven.
              So, the way Israel is defending themselves is unlawful.

            • Sebastian

              The Israeli military is not doing their job properly as you sadly think they are.

              In 2004 the ICC officially ruled that the attacks that are coming from Gaza are under Israel’s jurisdictional control which means that there needs to be a greater gain from what the IDF military is gaining compared to what the Gaza civilians are losing. And considering the fact that since 2004, 22 people died in Israel from rocket attacks, and thousands and thousands of people have died in Gaza since then due to Israel’s rocket attacks, the numbers clearly show it is uneven.
              So, the way Israel is defending themselves is unlawful.

          • Picquet

            “…when they (Hamas) fire rockets, it is not intentionally aimed at a civilian…”
            How odd. Who are they aiming at?

            • Sebastian

              They are firing rockets, yes, but they do not have the technological advances to specifically target areas that hold civilians, as Israel is doing. Such as schools, hospitals, residential areas.

          • John Clegg

            I read your post with a sigh, you are so misguided and ignorant (please look up the true meaning of the word ignorant before blasting off nonsense to me) almost everything you’ve posted is just plain wrong.

            I’m going to have a lie down, you’ve made my head throb with your vacuous rambling.

            • Edward Lindeman

              Hoe is this even helpful? Good way to minimie and marginalize his opinion as such, and the information he has tried to share, right or wrong. You must work for the UN.

              • Redrose82

                Have you been on the pop?

          • wudyermucuss

            It is not acceptable to fire thousands of rockets over years at a country with the defence that they’re low grade weaponry.

            Bombing rocket launch sites,weapons storage,tunnels,Hamas operative houses and Hamas infrastructure is not “bombing an entire people”.

            Don’t the Palestinians also have right to manifold retaliation after the capturing of hundreds of their leaders and holding them indefinitely or without trial? –
            They exercise retaliation.

            would it be an exaggeration that the Palestinians themselves are victims of state terrorism? –
            Yes,it would.
            Unless the state you refer to is Hamas,in which case you would be correct.

            in response to the killing of three of its citizens –
            Ah,you see,you’ve gone and forgotten the tunnels,(60 odd and miles long) and the rockets,(thousands,for years).

            Israeli resistance, unilateral military withdrawal, and ongoing support surely?

            • Sebastian

              Israel is not bombing rocket launch sites, weapons storage, tunnels, Hamas operative houses and Hamas infrastructure only, They have bombed schools, and hospitals, and residential areas. 70% of the people killed during Israel’s operation have been all civilians.
              Also the tunnels were used by the people to get aid, food, and other things they needed to survive as Israel has sanctions and full control (limiting everything) that could possibly go in.
              And the rockets, the rockets have been fired because Israel has oppressed the people and stripped them of any real decent life.

          • SeverelyLtd

            The Israeli military has an obligation to protect their citizens. That is after all the purpose of a military. If they alert the civilian population of their enemy to vacate south because they know Hamas has hidden weapons and Headquarters in schools and hospitals and they’ll be bombing them, what more can they do.

            If someone shows up at your door with a .22 and announces that he won’t rest until your whole family is dead, are you justified in taking him out him with a 12 gauge?

            • Sebastian

              There are 2 very obvious examples that clearly show the Israeli government is full of crap, as Palestinians had obeyed and moved and were STILL killed.
              1- In the UN schools were the UN had told Israel 17 times the coordinates of the school and had made sure that there were no weapons stored and it was still damaged.
              The second, where there was a clear ceasefire and the Palestinians went to the market, and the market was bombed.

        • Jack

          Hamas is not Palestine any more than the IRA was Ireland. England didn’t wipe Ireland out, despite all the bombs and shootings, and now there is peace.

          • newname

            Why do people like you keep repeating this silly analogy, though it and just about everything else has been refuted hundreds of times? Or are you Rip Van Winkle and have just woken up? For the umpteenth time, Ireland wasn’t planning or trying to destroy England. Though I don’t know why I bother any more, surely everybody has made up their minds about this conflict by now, and anyway Israel will continue doing what it feels is necessary for its own defence, and people who encourage Hamas to think they are getting support are actually just helping to prolong the conflict.

        • Amon Duul

          Hamas fires rockets in response to Israeli agression, they started it.

        • Darren Cahil

          False equivalence. Anyway, it would be absurd for England to pepper rockets at Scotland, where Britain keeps its Trident weapons. *facepalm*

      • Stu Mac

        Do you know what “Zionist” really means, or you wouldn’t bandy it around like a term of abuse.
        Labour/Socialist movement that agitated for an ethnic homeland to be liberated from antisemitic discrimination and persecution that had historically occurred. Stalin created the Jewish Autonomous Oblast and the UN with Russian support created Israel in a small corner of the defeated Ottoman Empire, lands inherited by Britain and France.

        As for “Crimes Against Humanity”, 50,000 French were killed on and after the D-Day bombardments, was that a war crime? the only reason civilians are dying is because Hamas and the pro Islamists put them in harms way.
        It could all end tomorrow. How? Hamas admit defeat, surrender and the fighting stops.

        • allymax bruce

          Ask Naftali Bennet; his Coalition Zionist Party, (underhandidly renamed Jewish Home Party a few months ago to Publicly avoid their extreme Zionist propensity), are co-government with Likud, another extreme Right Zionist political Party.
          Do yourself a favour, Stu, stick to local politics; because taking Wiki & ignorant propaganda as (secondary) evidence to doctrine placates your Political knowledge in the ‘academic realm’. I’ve actually lived beside, lived with, worshipped with and learned their Zionist principles first hand; have you?

          • global city

            It is blindingly obvious why the Jews have to have a homeleand that they control. The Jew hate is palpable. You cannot isolate Gaza from the wider, ongoing Arab/islamic war of annihilation against the Jew.

            • Epidermoid

              Muslim hatred for Jews and the violence that attends it, is rooted in mainstream orthodox Islamic teachings, not some aberrant vision of “radical Islam” as the apologists would have it.

              • Alexsandr

                its in the Koran. Goes right the the core is Islam.

              • Sebastian

                Sources? Examples?
                Those are bold statements you just made. Can you back them up?

            • allymax bruce

              You will scourge Gaza of every Palestinian, build Settlements on it, then begin your scourge again with West Bank. When, and while you’re doing that, you also pay ISIS to destabilise Syria, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, with Jordan, Lebanon etc, a simple ‘walk-on’ as a finale to taking over the Middle East. You also have ‘interests’ in Europe; but you need to get a series of ‘host’ agitators to do your dirty work. If you have any doubts about this, then you shouldn’t be talking to me. For those who have ears, let them hear.

              • global city

                Perfectly circular argument…so nice, so tidy, so idiotic.

                No Jew in me jocko boy.. Germano Celt I am… you’ll be jealous there?

            • GraveDave

              So anyone who thinks Joan is stupid is a Jew hater or a raving lefty?

            • Alexsandr

              the trendy left hate them too. The early socialists dreamet up jew hating and Marx had a go too. Quite why the left likes Islam, though, is beyond me.

              • global city

                My enemy’s enemy. They probably also just get turned on by the blood lust and absolutism.

              • Darren Cahil

                Firstly, I suggest you read some Marx, in *Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of the right* he said religion is ‘sight of the oppressed’ and the soul in soulless conditions, ‘the opiate of the masses’, so while he critised religion, *all* religion, he also acknowledged people’s need for it in current conditions, whether it be Christianity, Islam or Judaism, ect. And as to why the left likes Islam, strawman!

            • Amon Duul

              You cannot isolate them because then you would have to admit that Israel is guilty of an illegal occupation of Plaestinian land.

              • global city

                Not really. That land previously ‘belonged’ to Egypt and Jordan.

                the current ‘historical’ narrative is woeful. To understand that it is full of errors and misrepresentations you only have to understand that it has largely been crafted by left wing creeps.

                • Amon Duul

                  Not really that land should have been the basis of a Palestinian state. You should not read the right wing created history.

                • Amon Duul

                  You are right that the historical narrative is woeful. Nakba denial is widespread.

          • Damaris Tighe

            The Jewish Home Party has been called that since at least 2012 & has never been called the Coalition Zionist Party. You haven’t a clue what you’re talking about.

            Not that it matters as you are a raving lunatic.

            • allymax bruce

              You’re a pathetic troll; swarming all the blog articles like a deranged money-changer at ‘end times! You’re also a liar; but it’s ok for you to lie! Well, that’s what you tell yourself!
              Norm’ Finkelstein says the lunatics are yoos-lot; I believe Norm, because he’s not a loony liar like you.

              • Damaris Tighe

                The Israeli government is indeed made up of these two parties & also some centrist ones. The correction I made to your previous statement remains correct as does my statement that you clearly don’t have the inside knowledge you claim. Also that you are a raving lunatic.

                Interestingly, you used to like me until you decided I was a ‘yoo’.

                • Amon Duul

                  A coalition of racists and fascists.

              • Alexsandr

                loony alert.

          • wudyermucuss

            Zionism is Jewish nationalism.
            Do you oppose,for instance,Kurdish nationalism?Basque?
            What about the SNP?

            • Damaris Tighe

              Good post. Every ‘national liberation’ & ‘self-determination’ movement has been supported by the left, except those of Europe & the Jews.

              • Amon Duul

                Because it is ‘national liberation’ at the expense of others. Self determination on someone else’s land.

            • Darren Cahil

              Actually that is an oversimplification, I have made this mistake in the past, Zionism is not exactly Jewish nationalism.

        • kreplach2

          Hamas needs a “Dresden” to make it see sense because they haven’t got it yet.

          • Mike

            Damn right they do and it will be final solution that might actually work !

          • wudyermucuss

            Hamas = Islamism.
            It can’t be defeated,only resisted.
            This is happening worldwide,especially in Muslim countries.
            Israel is in the front line.

      • kreplach2

        If Palestinian children are being “massacred” then what is their government doing about it? How are they protecting their citizens. Isn’t it a war crime to attack an enemy knowing it will draw the death of your people who you refuse to protect.
        I refuse to get to emotional about these deaths when I know that Hamas obviously wanted them. What lesson from last time didn’t Hamas get?

        • Sebastian

          You refuse to get emotional about these deaths when you know Hamas obviously wanted them?
          Do you also refuse to get emotional over the deaths of the kids shot in the their schools because one idiot obviously wanted them?
          Do you refuse to get emotional over the deaths of those who died in the brutal genocide in Rwanda because their government ‘obviously wanted it’?
          What kind of horrifyingly stupid logic do you use?`
          These are innocent children dying. Ones with no political stance. All they see is their oppressors keeping them and their families behind a wall, unable to go anywhere. Their oppressors taking their fathers away to prison and tortured without any trials.

      • Mike

        Get a grip before you pee your pants. Massacres on a Crimes Against Humanity scale is happening in Syria, Libya and Iraq, not Gaza. Get you head out of your butt before you choke on your own s*** !

      • selma hayward

        Hey you still dont get it ….You buy into the crap hamas sells you….this is a propaganda war for them….they couldn’t care less about how many Gazen citizens die in the interim.

      • wudyermucuss

        Oh dear.
        RT,Finkelstein?
        Seriously?

        • Pelo Nord

          They always roll out these names or links with a magician’s flair and an ‘aHA, got you now!’ It’s Finkelstein, Electronic I. Mondoweiss, whatreallyhappened. Any site that promotes anti-Israel BS.

      • Alan Secker

        The ‘Palestiinans’ were murdering ‘Palestinians’ (Jewish ones) way before the Nazis cottoned on. Check the Arab riots of 1929. Who should have stopped it? Why the contemporary authority – Britain. Compare the outcry (miniscule) then with that of Sabra and Shatila in 1982! Always a different ruole for Israelis

    • Pat Conway

      artemis, perhaps you should spend a few nights in Gaza while being pounded by Israeli shells.

      • GUBU

        I’d imagine that neither experience is particularly pleasant.

        However, in at least one of the two scenarios you could at least be assured that your political leaders didn’t want as many of you as possible to die to strengthen their bargaining position.

      • Tom M

        OK Pat given the shells and rockets which place would you rather live in?

      • kreplach2

        I don’t get it. Gaza has hundreds of bomb shelters but Hamas won’t let their citizens use them. Some of them are so big they go under the Gaza/Israel border, surely Israel wouldn’t bomb its own territory. Does anyone know why Hamas won’t let their people shelter?

        • Damaris Tighe

          Good question.

        • GregoryC

          That’s absurd. What bomb shelters? Israel bombs UN shelters, proving there is NO safe place to go for shelter.

          • SeverelyLtd

            How about southern Gaza? If Israel told me to leave or risk having my family killed I’d make sure I got them out of there if we had to walk.

        • Darren Cahil

          Source? We going to need sauce with that? 😉

      • wudyermucuss

        Pat Conway,perhaps you could build a few bomb shelters.
        After all,the 60 odd mile long tunnels surely show excellent (North Korean) building skills.
        And plentiful supply of concrete and they have taken years to build.

        • GregoryC

          And yet, only 3 Israeli civilians killed since July 8, so the alleged ‘terror tunnels’ are more Hasbara nonsense not based in fact.

    • GraveDave

      Be honest, Joan Rivers is as thick as the proverbial…

      • global city

        I bet she is both cleverer and funnier than you?

        • GraveDave

          Does that even matter? Is it even relevant? Joan is still stupid. Even if only for that one moment of her life.
          But I bet there’s been more than a few others.

          • global city

            Fair enough… but then you must be really stupid.:)

            • GraveDave

              Well yeah, it’s so much easier to hate and destroy.
              So tell me this, with all the years it’s been going on, why is she only saying it now?

              .

              • global city

                Maybe exasperation? It is hard to make the case for defending yourself when the narrative is being framed in the context of numbers of Palestinian children being killed. I am sure that we would have had the same problem in 1944 had the same approach been taken by the western press with regards to the massively disproportionate action in the residential areas of German cities…. and the hundreds of thousands of children we were killing every month.

      • MissDemeanor

        i’d think that a woman with a career spanning 40+ years in a male dominated world, must be smarter than you at least

        • GraveDave

          You don’t know me though do you? And that’s half the trouble with your sort of thinking. You need to see actual suffering and agonizing death, people being blown to pieces. Before you judge who’s right or what or ‘who started it’.

          Some of us have been there.

          And ‘a male dominated world’?
          That’s a cracker. .
          .

          • MissDemeanor

            yes, you clearly sounds like an intellectual gold mine

            • GraveDave

              Compared to you,

      • Terry Field

        She is a GENUIS

        • GraveDave

          Yes, I can see that now.

        • Amon Duul

          She is a GIYUS.

    • Damaris Tighe

      But look at the comments following the Mail Online’s piece on antisemitism, starting with the most up ticks.

    • Sebastian

      When I come knock on your door, throw you out of your house under the claim that your land belongs to me according to my “religious beliefs”, then build a wall around the people that remained and stripped them of any decent human rights, can you tell me how you’ll react?
      I assure you, the last thing you will think to do is to be friendly.
      So the next time you attack Palestinians for being the ones throwing the rockets in the first place, remind yourself why they’re being fired to begin with.

      The terrorism started when the Jews threw out the people living their because of a fictional book. And please, do not defend religion, theres 7.046 billion people in this world with many many different beliefs, I think we can all agree it is the utmost bullshit to base your politics on a book less then a percent of this population (Jews) follow.

      • Alexsandr

        as opposed to a book written by a violent paedophile nutter in the 7th century?

      • wudyermucuss

        Jews have lived there for millenia and were a majority in Jerusalem.
        Half of Jews in Israel in ’48 were Middle Eastern.
        The wall is a (very effective) defence barrier.
        The Muslims occupied Jerusalem because their prophet once dreamt he went to heaven on a winged horse from there.
        The book the (religious) Jews follow is the basis for the world’s largest religion,(Christianity).
        Hamas,(Islamists),follow the Koran,another very well know fictional book,(although you’d be well advized to not say that in certain quarters,unless you enjoy a very,very,very,very close shave.)

        • Amon Duul

          The majority in Jerusalem were Judeans, not Jews. That is a myth.

    • GregoryC

      Zionist shrill should just move to Israel since she approves of war crimes, apartheid, genocide including the massacre of innocent children, and Israeli attacks on UN shelters.

    • Amon Duul 3

      A typical comedic routine from Joan.

    • Darren Cahil

      ‘ speaks with the authority’

      Speaking with authority fallacy. Never mind spouting platitudes, Rivers is spouting simplex insults, Ad homiens =/= an argument. Yes, Hamas are a reactionary group firing homemade rockets, but they have virtually no chance of killing anyone because of Israel’s Iron shield. I’ll also add that these so-called “rockets”, even without the shield are very ineffective as a weapon of war, a case of guns vs bow and arrows.

      The fact is,the Palestinian Arabs are dealing with a exclusionary colonial settler state, why not ask Rivers how the Native Americans (the so-called “savages” fared in a *exclusionary* colonial settler state? Why not ask how the Aborigines fared in a *exclusionary* colonial settler state? Based on the intellectual level Rivers shows, I don’t expect her to have much of an answer, only more insults. Seriously, calling Selma a “college grad”, oh that was witty, Rivers should be embarrassed of herself.

      Just like the Native Americans and Aborigines,(the “savages”) the “savage”/dehumanised “animals”, the Palestinian Arabs face exclusion, or even elimination, something Rivers implies is the right thing to do with her false equivalence of a New Jersey scenario raining rockets on New York, “we would wipe them out”!! So Rivers, we’re “all insane”, projection much? “They started it”, talk about childish. So when is Rivers next show as a Faux News anchor? Because teh ebil CNN and BBC “should be ashamed of themselves”, what we she say next? ‘Obama is a Muslim communist?’ Based on her current unhinged comments, one can only speculate.

  • In2minds

    I’m waiting for someone to blame the situation in Libya on Israel!

    • allymax bruce

      Interesting proposition you have; now, let’s see what would happen if Zionist Israeli government can get W’ (sockpuppet) to start a war in Iraq, Afghanistan, drone Pakistan, attempt a military rebel coup of Syria to be Pro-Israel, replace the government of Egypt with Pro-Israel al-alisi, get the odds n’ Sauds to mobilise ISIS, ISIS going around Syria blowing up Mosques; and you think Libya is any different?
      Now, I’m going to be fair here, and say I don’t know if any of these happenings were planned by the Zionists to lead to the destabilisation of all the Middle East, so that the Palestinians wouldn’t have any support in the Middle East, but it certainly does have some resonance.

      • GUBU

        But not as much resonance as those voices you keep hearing in your head, you over-capitalizing buffoon.

        The time for a tin foil lining in your hat is well overdue.

        • allymax bruce

          Now, that’s just not nice; you’re such an unpleasant person.

          For my reply, say this rhyme 3 times as quickly as you can;
          ‘I’m not a pheasant plucker, I’m a pheasant pluckers son. I’m only plucking pheasants ’til the pheasant plucker comes.’

          • GUBU

            I’ll at least credit you with a sense of humour, if not much sense. Fewer capitals are also welcome – always remember that it’s not a ranson note you’re writing.

            And no, you can’t have that tenner.

            • allymax bruce

              Keep the tenner; you value it more than I do.
              It’s not humour; it’s genius.
              So, tell us all how yoos Zionists own all the Movie, Music, & Media industries, fill it with propaganda, then crash all the finance markets to garner enough war-chest to take over the Middle East, but it’s all going tats-up?
              And, you still can’t win a PR war, when you own ALL of it !

              • GUBU

                And you can barely manage a coherent sentence without lapsing into over-capitalization and anti-semitic paranoia.

                Tin foil. And lots of it.

              • global city

                When the Jew movie industry was being set up there was no idea about how important it would be. Loads of Jews are entrepreneurial. Is that why yoos socialists don’t like them…even though many Jews set out principles that you blindly think along

                This Jew thing is rather like the Nostradamus stuff. You can always create a line after the event. You will be chronically embarrassed if you ever grow up.

              • mjk

                The reason they own it and not you is that they are cleverer than you 😉

          • global city

            They should have settled the Jews in Scotland.

            • allymax bruce

              You obviously don’t know your own history; of all the countries that expelled the Jewish race, Scotland was the only country that gave them shelter. Look it up; I’m telling the truth. Yoos-lot are too quick to jump to a victimised ingratiation.

    • Augustus

      Anyone could have seen this coming. After NATOs intervention to depose Gaddafi succeeded in 2011 most of the country was bound to fall under the control of terrorist networks when central authority collapsed. Some ‘Arab Spring’!

      • Holly

        Last time I looked the Israel-Palestinian thing has been going on since I was a kid.

        All the west keep doing, is giving the nutjobs more ‘up to date’ reasons for them to blame someone else for their inability to accept other religious beliefs.
        That is the crux today’s politicians just do not get.
        The nutjobs are just like Western politicians…If your’e not with us, you’re against us, or It’s our way, or the highway.
        Where’s that ‘peace-envoy’ bod Blair when he’s needed?
        Oh yeah….

        • Alexsandr

          dunno how old you are Holly but this has been going on since WW1. But lets go to 1948. who started the arab-israeli war then?

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War

          • Amon Duul

            Israel by starting the Nakba. Arab armies intervened to try and stop massacres such as Dier Yassin.

      • Donafugata

        And NATO couldn’t be bothered to take their hardware with them so the likes of Boko Harun were able to go use it in Mali.

        The same is true in Iraq, abandoned weapons and armoured vehicles have been used by IS to make the NATO trained Iraqi army so fearful that they had to run away.

        The Taliban are similarly armed by NATO as they can’t be bothered to take hardware with them. Can’t they at least destroy it before departing these hellholes?

    • Mike

      Might as well as the left blame ALL Islamic conflicts and troubles on Israel and don’t you know, they probably blamed Israel for 9/11 and 7/7 as well.

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