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Theresa May to give ‘significant’ statement on child abuse row

7 July 2014

8:55 AM

7 July 2014

8:55 AM

What can we expect from the government response to the growing child abuse dossier row? Government sources are stressing this morning that Theresa May’s Commons statement will be ‘significant’ and that its content will be broader than simply naming the QC looking at the Home Office dossier.

Based on David Cameron’s handling of previous historic cases such as Bloody Sunday and Hillsborough, the Prime Minister will want to give every impression that this government is doing everything it can to go where previous governments may have failed to or refused.

It’s clear from the briefings and readiness of ministers including George Osborne and Nick Clegg to go on the airwaves that they are keen to appear to be doing everything they can, rather than treating the swirling allegations as a distraction or as something they haven’t got a clue how to deal with. This isn’t something that happened on Cameron’s watch, but he knows that inaction could quickly make it his own problem.

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  • edulike

    If they don’t have an inquiry they will give the impression that they are child molesters or covering up for child molesters. It was bad enough that we thought they were all crooks and expenses cheats.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Paedophiles at the very top of British society. Been saying it for years. The damage to the national psyche and morale when even some of these much admired household names are outed will be immense. Perhaps this was part of the justification for marking their files HANDS OFF. Time to clean the stable. Let the truth be told though the heavens fall.

    • Makroon

      Rolf Harris’ art-works have apparently fallen in value.
      But the dozens of dodgy artists, composers, film makers, writers etc. don’t seem to have suffered. No boycotts of art galleries, walk-outs from Anton Bruckner concerts or Roman Polanski films seem to have occurred.

      • P_S_W

        Double standards. Modern society is full of it.

  • Andy

    We should also look into the actions and activities of Islington Council which was lead from 1982 to 1992 by Margaret Hodge when children were abused in council care – there was a pedophile ring operating. We also need to look at the actions of the NCCL (now Liberty) when P.I.E. were affiliated to it and Harriet Harman was legal officer. Also the actions of Patricia Hewitt and Jack Dromey who held office in NCCL when and while PIE were affiliated.

  • Rhoda Klapp8

    To those who are treating this as a party tribalist issue, IT ISN’T. If you think that you are truly warped.

    • Colonel Mustard

      I don’t think it is either but the Labour party exploitation of it for party political gain should be challenged.

      • saffrin

        Milliband demanding a public inquiry invites questions as to what he has to hide.
        He knows a public inquiry will take years to report and if Labour win the next general election he will be in a better position to dominate it’s report.
        It will be another Iraq war crimes inquiry.

        Whitewashed!

        • Mynydd

          Cameron setting up a public inquiry invites questions as to what he has to hide.
          He knows a public inquiry will take years to report and if Conservatives win the next general election he will be in a better position to dominate it’s report.

          • P_S_W

            So what should he do?
            And what about Labour, they call for a public inquiry every time something happens. What do they have to hide?

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Perhaps they could get the enquiry to take in idling ton Council while Margaret Hodge was its leader? No, I thought not.

    • Kennybhoy

      Amen.

  • MirthaTidville

    Just to add maybe a different take…For those of us on here old enough to remember the late Geoffrey Dickens MP, whose `files` this bruhah is all about, will recall that at best he was a buffoon. His nick name was Bunter was it not. The thought that Dickens could have investigated so thoroughly and come up with a file that would rock the establishment is very hard to believe. I dont think he was capable of the depth of intelligence such investigation would have required.

    Its possible that when handed over, the file contained nothing more than rumour, speculation and innuendo.Such files often do. It would have been kept for a while and then binned on the basis there was nothing to act on.

    Might not be of course but just a point to ponder maybe?

    • HookesLaw

      I think that is quite possible. Its a bit strong to call Dickens a ‘buffoon’ though. Equally if nothing was found then this should have been made clear. May be it was though that seems doubtful.

      • Tony_E

        It appears that Dickens is in record in Hansard as acknowledging the work of the authorities on this matter: from Leon Brittan’s statement this morning he quotes Dickens in the House:

        ‘I should like to place on record my thanks to the Home Office for
        following up the cases that I keep sending to it. I should also like to
        thank the Attorney General. They have been very helpful and a strength
        to me in my campaigns.’”

        • HookesLaw

          Good points – all of which points in turn to the fact that there was no cover up. Interesting that the words are ‘keep sending to it’. One wonders if what was at the heart of Dickens’ campaign was the High Commissioner to Canada who was indeed arrested but not charged.

      • MirthaTidville

        Norman Tebbitt, yesterday described him as someone `who always managed to fall over his own feet`…same difference methinks

    • Colonel Mustard

      It’s a valid point. Unfortunately “binned files” perhaps containing nothing of import are a fantastic fuel for modern speculation and conspiracy fads, especially for the left if the supposed cover up happened during “Fatcher”.

    • edithgrove

      Well you just don’t know, and in the years since his death attitudes have changed dramatically. We are now shocked by Saville and Cyril Smith, although their behaviour was known since the 1960s. It is noteworthy that Britten is unable to refer to the Dickens file, now that he’s publicly acknowledging it at all, as anything other than a bundle of papers. And Greville Janner’s obit of Dickens was as demeaning as your post. All things to bear in mind in the coming weeks.

  • Rhoda Klapp8

    What reasonable person would object to the truth coming out no matter which party or parties were involved? That is the same mindset which leads to justifying and rationalising the cover-up. So nothing reflects on the party, the school, the church or the BBC. After all, it happened a long time ago..

    Well, never mind who looks bad, let’s get the truth out. And most of all, what is going on now? Who is covering up today? Because the problem does not go away. Ask the party, the school, the church or the BBC.

    • Mynydd

      Yes a reasonable person would agree with you 100%, unfortunately the Conservative are not reasonable where Mrs Thatcher is concerned.

      • HookesLaw

        Got your orders from Mr Watson crystal clear today didn’t you.

      • Colonel Mustard

        I should say it is the Labourites who are not reasonable where Mrs Thatcher is concerned!

      • Kennybhoy

        Po. Kettle. Black.

  • Smithersjones2013

    In 2004 (under a Labour Government) the Home Office moved from Queen Anne’s Gate to Marsham Street. What chance the missing files went missing during the move? Perhaps they’ve been found?

    Furthermore given Lord Brittan’s robust response from this morning (Dickens actually congratulated the Home Office for their action on his allegations in 1987 in the HoC) I suspect f the conspiracy theorists will need to put their tin-foil hats away for another day.

    It’s amazing how all these scandals never arose during thirteen years of Labour Government but have all resurfaced directly after with people like Watson and Danczuk seemingly so ready to go on the offensive? Conspiracy theorists might wonder if Labour planned it?

    • Colonel Mustard

      Well Labour are certainly implicated in the systematic use of smearing for party political gain and Watson who has been central to the current agitation was also implicated in that:-

      http://iaindale.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/tom-watsons-bid-for-infamy.html

      “Tom Watson sits next to Damian McBride in Number Ten. He orchestrates the whole Number Ten political strategy. He was the one behind the coup against Tony Blair in the autumn of 2006.

      The very idea that McBride is acting alone in his spiteful little games is for the birds. Watson was idiotic enough to post yesterday that one of the books which has influenced him most is called THE TWENTY FIVE DIRTIEST CAMPAIGNS OF ALL TIME.”

      Influenced him most, eh?

    • Mynydd

      You right wingers get over it, it seems Mrs Thatcher’s government took little or no action on this matter.

      • HookesLaw

        Seems you do not know what you are talking about. It seems the papers were handed over for investigation.

        • Gary Wintle

          Leon Brittan, who just so happens to also be the subject of allegations, “lost” over 100 documents relating to paedophilia.

          Ken Clarke, also the subject of speculation on the internet, allowed Savile, a radio DJ, access to and control of Broadmoor for no logical reason.

          Savile was clearly being protected by the Establishment, that much is obvious to anyone with any common sense.

          There are people who are desperately trying to kick this into the grass and dismiss it. They are hiding something. They should be ratted out, regardless of their political affiliation.

          • P_S_W

            “They should be ratted out, regardless of their political affiliation.”

            I notice you only focus on Conservatives.

      • Andy

        Liar. Look at Hansard.

      • Colonel Mustard

        No, that is the impression yours and telemakeitallup’s multiple trolling comments in this thread seek to seed in the public conscience in order to smear the current Tory-led coalition.

        What needs to happen is for you left wingers to get over your rather nasty obsession with winning by any means and to stop your orchestrated smear campaigns. You are all a disgrace to the notion of truth let alone articulating it.

        • Gary Wintle

          Its not a smear campaign; the truth is finally coming out, the Establishment cover-up is finally unravelling, the abuses at Elm House and elsewhere, and the governments, (Tory and Labour) police and MI5 covering them up, are now being exposed.

          • Colonel Mustard

            It is both. There is an underlying scandal which Labour are cynically trying to exploit for party political gain.

      • Inverted Meniscus

        Shall we include Islington Council under the heading of “took little action”. No, that would require honesty.

    • Mike Barnes

      Rolf Harris and Stuart Hall gave pretty robust denials in the beginning of their cases too…

  • WatTylersGhost

    “What can we expect from the government response to the growing child abuse dossier row? ”
    A promise of an enquiry to report after the next election – in other words, kicked into the long grass.

    • telemachus

      This will be ferreted out by the press long before that
      The environment has changed since this first surfaced in 1984
      You can begin yourself
      Follow E G H
      (Edited)

      • Smithersjones2013

        Tellytubby given the Labour Government did nothing about these allegations in 13 years of government despite the information pretty much all being in the public domain do explain why not one Labour Home Secretary did anything?

        As you say this will be ferreted out. Its convenient how all these scandals have resurfaced now Labour are out of government. One has to wonder who exactly has been doing the covering-up?

      • Colonel Mustard

        When you say “ferreted out” by the press what you really mean is fed to the press by Labour party propagandists. We all know what unhealthy interactions transpired between Labour, the media and the police from 1997 to 2010, the wonder is that despite those 13 years of iniquity the current Coalition government is under the cosh.

        Well, no, it’s a not a wonder really, because as you have told us many times all that matters is winning and smearing opponents is central to the ethos of the Labour party.

        • LadyDingDong

          While the Labtards get themselves in a lather about unproven events of 30 years ago, let us not forget their own approach to child abuse:

          “Mrs Hodge led Islington Council from 1982 to 1992, when it emerged that children in the council’s care had been abused. She has been accused of failing to act, despite receiving warnings – an allegation she denies”

          • Colonel Mustard

            She has some gall as reported today:-

            ‘Senior Labour MP Margaret Hodge condemned the “veil of secrecy” that has shrouded the Establishment for far too long. “Now the Establishment who thought they were always protected find actually they are subject to the same rigours of the law and that’s right”’

            Of course those “same rigours” were conspicuously absent in the years 1997 to 2013 when Labour were the ‘Establishment’. But the modus operandi is not unusual. Labour always follow the premise that attack is the best means of defence. Whenever the poor old Tories try that (they are never very good at it) Labour always respond by then accusing them of making party political points and contributing to unseemly adversarial politics. I have seen them do this umpteen times quite blatantly and they rarely if ever get called on it.

        • HookesLaw

          Yet the media claim they should be free from outside supervision. On this like everything else the media say people should not investigate themselves – except for the media.
          I nsee the BBC have a headline ”Paedophile group leader ‘stored material at Home Office’ ”
          The story actually is that an electrical contractor and PIE leader, who was cleard to work in the Home Office, clains he stored material there.
          A bit of a misleading headline.

        • Michael H Kenyon

          Labour are in no position to expose anything given their own complicity and engagement with the problem, If they do, it will backfire on them, big-time.

        • ButcombeMan

          I often agree with you Colonel but the tone of your recent comments is inappropriate. You sound partisan. That is not helpful.

          All the political parties, if not all the politicians, have been in it together.

          It is a multi party can of worms.

          I urge you not to play Labour’s game.

          • telemachus

            I welcome nailing colours to the mast
            *
            There has sadly grown up a tendency for some to troll up and down these hallowed threads attacking almost everything right or left (recognise?)
            *
            I like to see the colour of the eyes of my enemies

            • Colonel Mustard

              The main tendency for trolling up and down these threads is you. You are running a classic deflection strategy. I draw your attention to the Hunt thread where 20 of 74 comments are yours and at one point it was running at over 50%, most of them tagging the comments of others.

              And please don’t labour under the misapprehension that I do not nail my colours to the mast. My firmly nailed colours are Unite Against Labour (UAL). My eyes are blue, not that you would get close enough in battle to ever see them.

          • Gary Wintle

            Simon Danczuk and Geoffrey Dickens come from opposite sides of the political divide but on this issue they are on the same side, fighting the same enemy.

          • Colonel Mustard

            I take your point but as I have mentioned elsewhere I draw a distinction between the cross-party elements of the underlying scandal and the way Labour are cynically trying to exploit it for party political gain. I am not the only one drawing that distinction.

        • Inverted Meniscus

          The party of lies, lying and liars.

      • Kennybhoy

        Why are you talking sense Tele…? Please stop. It disturbs me…

      • ButcombeMan

        No point in you being cryptic or pretending to be clever.: The Guardian has (eventually) caught up.

        http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/05/elm-guest-house-paedophile-network-allegations

  • edithgrove

    What was the point of Peter Bottomley MP on the Today programme this morning? He just seemed to be warning people to shut up, or else, with not much resistance from John Humphrys. That seems like a good start to an enquiry (not).

  • Mynydd

    Mr Cameron/May will do everything in their power to ensure there is a white wash of Mrs Thatcher’s government. A few low level civil servants will be hung out to dry, nothing more. It as already started, lost papers, civil servants to blame.

    • HookesLaw

      You nasty lying barsteward. Now we can see why Tom Watson started all this.
      In fact the story goes back to before 1979.

      • Mynydd

        The papers which started this were handed to the Thatcher government in the 1980s. Give the evidence to support your claim.

        • HookesLaw

          The papers were discussed at the time. There was nothing secret nit was known that the papers had been haded to the Home Office
          and
          ‘On Saturday, the Home Office Permanent Secretary Mark Sedwill revealed
          that more than 100 documents relating to historic allegations of
          organised child abuse between 1979 and 1999 were “presumed destroyed,
          missing or not found”
          http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/westminster-child-abuse-exclusive-geoffrey-dickens-also-gave-copy-of-file-to-top-prosecutor-sir-thomas-hetherington–so-why-did-dpp-also-fail-to-act-on-evidence-of-paedophile-ring-9588112.html

          We can also note –
          ‘ David Mellor, who served under Leon Brittan as a Home Office
          minister, said the feeling at the time was that Mr Dickens’s dossier did not contain the shocking revelations he suggested. “My only recollection of this from my time at the Home Office was the suggestion there wasn’t much to it,” he told Sky News.
          “The real crunch point for me is if – and I don’t believe this for a
          millisecond – Leon Brittan had not taken appropriate action, Geoffrey Dickens lived for another 11 years and there is no evidence he went back and followed it up.”

          • Andy

            Exactly. If you look at Hansard you find that Geoffrey Dickens was very active and vocal in child matters. I have looked at the years 1980-1994 and there is no question from Dickens on the floor of the House asking what action had been taken on the dossier he submitted. That suggests to me that he was satisfied by the actions of the Home Secretary.

            • Mynydd

              Mr Dickens asking questions between 1980 and 1994 suggests to me he was not receiving satisfactory answers from the Home Secretary.

              • P_S_W

                Just because he was asking questions during that period does not mean that events happened only during that time.

              • Andy

                Not if you had actually looked at his questions. In fact he thanked the Home Secretary and the Home Office for their help in 1987 – YES 1987.

          • Mynydd

            Where is your evidence that the storey goes back before 1979

            • P_S_W

              Where is your evidence that it doesn’t?

              Grow up.

        • ButcombeMan

          OK it is not proof positive, but there is lots of information on Elm Guest House out there, with references to 1979. Presumably you know how to use a search engine? This was just my first search.

          https://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/category/elm-guest-house/

    • Colonel Mustard

      Others here have pointed out that suspicions about this do not begin and end with the Tories but that Labour figures are also implicated.

      As it stands it looks very much like the pressure is being orchestrated for party political ends by teflon-coated Labour as usual. Revenge for the Harmon PIE scandal I suppose.

      • Makroon

        I think there is an element of truth in this. The (fiercely denied) return of Damian McBride is another straw in the wind.
        They are desperate and have nothing to offer, so it’s back to the default of stunts and smears.
        I wonder what their private polling is showing.

        • Mynydd

          Don’t worry about private polling, Labour strongest supporting newspaper, the Mail on Sunday, published a public poll which give: Conservatives 27%, Labour 36%, Lib Dem 7% UKIP 22 %

          • Colonel Mustard

            Hmm. Conservative and UKIP support at 49%, almost half those polled and well ahead of any popularity for Labour beyond its bribed clientele and public sector rentseekers.

            • HookesLaw

              This Survation Poll dates from 27 June.
              A number of Polls since show either the Tories or Labour 2% leads with UKIP on or around 12
              Survation Polls seem to give greater weight to UKIP and Labour than do other polls.

      • Mynydd

        As I understand it, papers were handed to the Thatcher government in the 1980s and it seem no police action was taken at that time. So far no names have been made public therefore one cannot know if any Labour figures are also implicated.
        Also I understand that pressure is being orchestrated by a letter signed by over 160 cross party MPs.

        • Colonel Mustard

          You “understand” wrong then as you so often do. Your “naive and innocent” act of seeding simple propositions to aid the Labour party is very obvious.

          This will become even more obvious as the amount of Labour trolling on this thread builds up to “spread the message”.

        • Andy

          ‘Papers’ ? What papers ? What is being alleged is that the late Geoffrey Dickens went to see the Home Secretary with a bundle of papers. The Home Secretary, who received Dickens with his Private Secretary, passed these papers to officials who then sent some papers to the Police. The Home Secretary wrote to Dickens the following year explaining this. As a matter of propriety, and bearing in mind the nature of the Office of Home Secretary, it would have been improper for him to have had any further involvement in the matter.
          What you insinuate is that the Home Secretary ‘binned’ these papers. This is quite untrue as a letter to Dickens clearly shows.

          • Mynydd

            I have not said the Home Secretary ‘binned’ these papers. It is quite clear from the weekend media that 141 papers have been lost. Note the word ‘lost’ because that’s the word I used.

            • Inverted Meniscus

              You socialist nutters are desperate aren’t you with Miliband heading for defeat in 2015.

          • Gary Wintle

            How do you “accidentally” lose 114 papers? Geoffrey Dickens received death threats and was on the list of a hitman’s targets. His house was also, very conveniently, “professionally” burgled (probably by MI5, who, are also implicated in paedo rings).) The police ignored evidence and turned a blind eye, totally by accident, of course.

            • Andy

              If you had listened to the Home Secretary she gave some indication of what happened or may have happened. From what was said there were a number of communications from Dickens all of which seem to have been actioned in various ways. Suppose a letter was received from Dickens a file would be raised (MP letter and all that), so after being passed from x to y to z the letter may have been forwarded to Scotland Yard. Some of these files record on the cover the action taken. I would not be surprised when files were being tidied (and the Home Office moved in 2005) if an empty file cover would be thrown away by a junior employee. Alternatively it is quite possible the file was sent to a repository and was then chucked out by a file clerk because it was empty. However the files could have been deliberately destroyed to conceal. Dickens was also an implacable opponent of P.I.E. and we all know there were connections between PIE and Labour figures. Dickens died in 1995; Labour came to power in 1997. Go figure.

      • Andy

        As I recall Geoffrey Dickens campaigned for P.I.E to be banned. This wasn’t the position of NCCL, Harman et all.

      • Kennybhoy

        “As it stands it looks very much like the pressure is being orchestrated for party political…”

        I doubt it man. Even with their pals in the media trying to spin it they are way to vulnerable themselves…

      • Andy

        I think the enquiry should be widened to look at the shocking abuse in Islington and also the activities of PIE.

    • ButcombeMan

      They would be very unwise NOW, to attempt that.

      Before YOU get carried away and any others try to leap in with party political point scoring, it would be wise to realize that ALL the parties seem to have extremely dirty historical linen.

      Let us hope Mrs Balls is grown up, I fear not.

      The time for political point scoring is gone, we need searing honesty, from everybody.

      • Mynydd

        I think you underestimate how the present Conservative Party hold Mrs Thatcher’s memory and what they would do to protect it. In their eyes she could do no wrong, absolutely no wrong at all, she stand at the right hand of God.

        • HookesLaw

          What a dipstick cr@phead you are

        • ButcombeMan

          All you do is show your ignorance and prejudice.
          Nothing connects Thatcher and if there was wrong doing in her time, she would have been protected from the awful truth.
          That is how things worked in government, until Bliar.

          • Mynydd

            It is reported that a bundle of papers concerning child abuse was given to the Home Office in the mid eighties when Mrs Thatcher was Prime Minister. Under our system of government the Prime Minister of the day is responsible for the action, or inaction, of the government.

            • Inverted Meniscus

              Unless the PMs name is Tony Blair or Gordon Brown. Then it is Margaret Thatcher’s responsibility.

        • Kennybhoy

          And I think that you deliberately underestimate how the Labour Party, it’s TU backers and the left-liberal consensus in general hold Lady Thatcher’s memory and what you would do to try and trash it. In your eyes she is could do no right, absolutely no right at all, she was the very Devil Incarnate.

          You are a vile wee man…

        • Inverted Meniscus

          You truly are a vile scumbag.

    • Cyril Sneer

      Ah I see the left is already pointing fingers towards the right whilst trying to distance themselves from their own culpability.

      I think this scandal has tory and labour written all over it.

      I want the truth, not excuses, or a whitewash, the truth.

      • Makroon

        Why do you “want the truth” Cyril ?
        Hows about just getting on with your life ?

        • Cyril Sneer

          Clearly you’re a lefty – you’re allergic to the truth.

          If there are members or ex-members of Parliament that have broken the law then they must be brought to justice.

          If there are MP’s that have covered up this scandal, then they must be brought to justice.

          If there is wrong doing, and especially where we have the most heinous crimes taking place – the sexual abuse of children, then the perpetrators must be shamed and brought to justice, no matter who they are.

          Or would you rather be lied to??

          • Mynydd

            This is just what the Labour party is saying, perpetrators must be brought to justice no matter who, or what position, they have held.

            • Cyril Sneer

              I don’t believe them. Why would I? They’re proven liars.

            • Colonel Mustard

              Until their own ministers are in the frame, when the story changes rapidly.

            • Inverted Meniscus

              Labour the party of lies, lying and liars.

          • Makroon

            There are undetected murderers, frauds, bigamists, thieves, abusers of every kind out there Cyril.
            Only a smallish percentage of criminal activity is detected and punished (when was the last time a criminal internet organisation was put in the dock ?)
            Thousands of children have disappeared without trace, whilst the police concentrate on one case in Portugal.
            Why are you obsessing about some unproven allegations from 30-50 years ago ?

            • Cyril Sneer

              Because if a crime has been committed, especially where the sexual abuse of children has occurred then justice must be done and seen to be done no matter how much time has elapsed.

              You say “Thousands of children have disappeared without trace, whilst the police concentrate on one case in Portugal.”

              No they’re not, what a ridiculous comment. The media is, not the police.

      • Mynydd

        I agree most want the truth, not excuses, or a whitewash, just the truth, unfortunately you will not get it in respect to Mrs Thatcher and her government, only to civil servants will get the chop.

        • Tony_E

          The problem is, if you don’t find a smoking gun, you’ll simply assert that they were successful in covering it up.

          You’re never going to accept a not guilty verdict.

          • Mynydd

            It is not for me to accept or reject a verdict, a cover-up will be there for all to see.

            • P_S_W

              Such as that over the death of David Kelly, you mean?

              • Andy

                Or the widespread abuse in Islington Council.

        • Cyril Sneer

          You won’t get it with Labour either. They lied re. the Iraq invasion, they turned a blind eye to the abuse of children from cultural religious paedos for years.

          • Mynydd

            If you have proof of this you are duty bound to take it to the police.

            • Inverted Meniscus

              As are you with your allegations you hypocrite.

    • telemachus

      The Tories are steeped in this
      *
      From the Leon Baron Brittan cover up to the recent Downing Street Adviser
      They got off lightly in the Media on Friday after Cameron’s mate Coulson was banged up, because of focus on Paedophile Harris.
      We’ll now they can wriggle out of their own paedophile scandal
      *
      It is just not good enough to have an internally inspired legal chap brought in to whitewash the issue
      Who was the senior Tory who put the labour MP up against the wall last week
      *
      I would like Simon Danczuk to use parliamentary privelege to tell us what he knows
      *
      Further the Data Communications bill must be revived so that we can monitor all of these paedophiles whether in Westminster or elsewhere

      • P_S_W

        Danczuk is clearly using this for partisan point scoring or he would have named the minister he is accusing of interference and would still have asked the questions he says he wanted to ask in his committee.
        The fact he’s done neither but complains about both speaks volumes.

        • Makroon

          I think Danczuk is just a compulsive attention seeker.

          • P_S_W

            That’s how it’s reading, hope I’m wrong. This issue deserves more than attention seekers looking to make partisan point scoring.

      • Smithersjones2013

        1. Why did Labour do NOTHING during 13 years of government

        2 Like so many other recent scandals isn’t it coveninent that they suddenly explode back on the scene AFTER Labour has lost power.

        3. Every single former Labour Home Secretary should be brought forward to explain why they did not pick up on this? What were Labour’s shadows doing during the period in question as well? What was their view of it? After all we know when there was smoke (as in the Thorpe affair) it is alleged Wilson and Labour didn’t think twice about stitching up their opponents when it was in their interests.to do so…

      • The Laughing Cavalier

        Don’t make partisan points, this cuts across the political divisions.

        • Kennybhoy

          Indeed but there are posters hereabouts who have tried to make political capital out of this too…

          • Cyril Sneer

            Most often it is the left that do this. Speaks volumes.

      • Andy

        Labour are steeped in this.

        From the cover up in Islington to the actions of now senior figures at the NCCL regarding PIE.

    • DWWolds

      But the PIE seems to be implicated in this. PIE had connections with the National Council for Civil Liberties. At least three people who were involved with NCCI went on to be big noises in the Labour party.

      • Colonel Mustard

        See telemachus “comment” below which reads very much like the sort of bullet-pointed aide memoire Labour distribute to keep their mouthpieces “on message” and in this case attempting to deflect the issue into a party political one.

        You will get no truth with Labour. Everything they do is wholly contrived to win advantage and gain power by any means.

        • Cyril Sneer

          Agreed, I find the left at times utterly dishonest and at other times utterly criminal.

          It would seem that they’d rather the sexual abusers of children escape justice if said abusers have a leftist political persuasion.

        • DWWolds

          Teleboy and Mynydd are only the latest in a long line of Labour stooges who splatter political blogs with their inane comments. They are all over the place for a time – seemingly having nothing better to do with their time. Remember Fat Bloke on Tour on here? There was also someone who called himself Charles E Hardwidge [aka Dolly Draper?] on a BBC site. Then they suddenly disappear and someone with a different alias pops up like a Jack in a Box.

          • Mynydd

            It is on record that I Mynydd is not a member of the Labour party.

        • Mynydd

          The truth about Labour will come out, so will the truth about Mrs Thatcher’s government.

          • P_S_W

            Hopefully the truth will out about everything in this affair.

            • Makroon

              When can we expect “the truth to come out” about the present generation of abusers, and isn’t that a tad more important ?

              • P_S_W

                Which present generation of abusers? If there is such a thing as a present generation then it needs investigating and resolving.

      • Mynydd

        Did NCCI stop government action on the papers?

        • Kennybhoy

          Och you are a very nasty piece of work.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Spot on.

          • Mynydd

            I just asked a question, what nasty about that.

        • P_S_W

          Did NCCI actively promote paedophilia?

          • Mynydd

            Not that I know about

            • P_S_W

              What if they did and you don’t know. What then?

      • Andy

        You are not allowed to mention Harriet Harman and her ugly husband. Nor Hewitt.

    • Smithersjones2013

      And of course left wing extremist wouldn’t want to smear the Thatcher government with whatever foul excrement they have to hand in their nasty little leftie cesspits now would they?

      It’s just a pity they did sweet FA about all these scandals when they were in power for 13 years (too busy lying about WMD’s i suppose). What sort of incompetents sit their for 13 years totally oblivious to all these outrages? How convenient is it that all these scandals blow up in the period directly after 13 years of Labour Government?

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