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The carnival is over for the Notting Hill set

20 July 2014

1:34 PM

20 July 2014

1:34 PM

It is the Sunday after the reshuffle before. Today’s papers are brimming with post reshuffle stories; and not of the kind that Downing Street will like. The Mail on Sunday reveals that Philip Hammond demanded an assurance that he wouldn’t just be keeping the seat warm for George Osborne at the Foreign Office. While the Sunday Times reports on how Owen Paterson and Liam Fox plan to ‘rough up’ the Prime Minister over Europe.

The animosity of the right towards Cameron is, perhaps, to be expected. But one of the most striking things about the reshuffle is that it has severed the emotional bonds between Cameron and the modernisers who propelled him to power. After Cameron’s brutal treatment of Michael Gove, it’ll never again be glad confident morning in Notting Hill.

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By showing that he puts political necessity ahead of friendship, Cameron has changed the nature of his relationship with those who were, until a week or so ago, his closest political allies. If Cameron doesn’t win outright at the next election, they won’t be there to protect him from the vengeful right.

Those Cabinet Ministers who like the reshuffle argue that it shows Cameron has the coldness necessary to command. Indeed, it probably has increased his chances of winning the next election outright. But it has at the same time decreased his chances of surviving as Tory leader if there is another hung parliament. He is now a Prime Minister who has only conditional allies, not friends.

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  • oldschooltie

    Who can deny Cameron (and friends) have done a superb job in ‘modernising’ the Conservative Party. A list of his successes should start with:

    1. Halving the Tory Party membership.

    2. Turning the Tory party into Labour Mk 2, even down to matching Brown’s borrow and spend programme.

    3. No Tory representation in Scotland and great swathes of Northern England

    4. Alienating 1000s of conservative voters.

    …….. and so the list goes on.

    Keep up the good work Cameron and you will destroy the Conservative party for ever.

  • Gwangi

    Notting Hill is a pompous slum and the film was shyte too. Let’s bomb it… with lurve and lard…

  • Tim Baker

    Great photo choice. We need more multiculti enrichment.

  • Freedom

    No. 1: He won’t win. No. 2: He looks like he’s singing ‘Volare’.

  • JimHHalpert

    “Indeed, it probably has increased his chances of winning the next election outright.”

    Well, he’s lost this voter. I voted for Gove, not Cameron.

    By the way, Cameron hired a lifelong Democrat to run his strategy at the next election: https://twitter.com/Messina2012/status/248440417127903232/photo/1 . What could possibly go wrong?

  • Conway

    If Cameron doesn’t win outright at the next election, they won’t be there to protect him from the vengeful right” I shouldn’t worry about the “vengeful right”, it’s the vengeful electorate that will do for him first. That’ll teach him to alienate his core support.

  • GraveDave

    After Cameron’s brutal treatement of Michael Gove, it’ll never again be glad confident morning in Notting Hill.

    What brutal treatment was that then? As for the Tory right they’re failing on every front to get their ‘tough love’ messages across. One or two probably mean well but are still living a fantasy of a return to the 1950s. I’m a baby boomer myself, with his own share of hang ups, but even I realise the world’s changed. Generally, people these days are too well stuck on the ‘progressive’ label. So my betting is Call me Dave will prevail as leader and possible winner.

  • dalai guevara

    What we can take away from this debate and the debate on other forums is clear:

    1- Toby Young is lost for words.
    2- William Hague will have more time writing, we doubt it will be the sequel for Mr and Mrs Smith (2005).
    3- the industrial scale, gunk-producing, cost-reduced, profits-orientated foodstuffs lobby has taken a big hit this week – in favour of those seeking quality and ethical sourcing of our every-day consumables.

    None of this of course addresses the real issues Britain faces today, dismal deficit spending, shocking development of our current account, the short-term cash cow that are our homes, the repeat shafting of Generation Y, ever falling contributions to the pension pots and frankly inexplicable underperformance and lack of ‘determination of the quiet man’.

    In summary, all what we take away today are tiny glimpses of hope delivered only by fragile growth of early GREEN shoots. Our future Monarch will demand more and better outcomes and we would be ill-advised to ignore any of the points he has made in recent times.

    • Alexsandr

      why do you make point 3. have I missed something?

      • dalai guevara

        It appears you have – horse meat, bees, bovine TB to name three.

  • HookesLaw

    Then public support the moving of Gove. The Telegraph had a poll showing significant support for the reshuffle. The Specy however has to be anti tory .
    Free schools is a good policy it wouild seem from reports that Gove has been single handedly making it unpopular.

    • GraveDave

      The Speccy – anti Tory?

      • Freedom

        Never. Anti-UKIP: certainly.

    • southerner

      There are polls in two other nationals which state the opposite.

      You of course would support the sacking of anyone resembling a conservative (though Gove’s “achievements” have been wildly overstated).

  • misomiso

    It was probably a risk worth taking.

    Moving Owen Patterson was probably mistake though. Better to demote Justine Greening or Theresa Villiers.

    There is a such a prize for the right though that they would be crazy to rock the boat in the leadup to the election.

    But then nobody can lose an election like the Tories.

  • Mark

    “[The reshuffle] probably has increased his chances of winning the next election outright.”

    I don’t see how. As David Starkey has noted, while the left can win votes from the centre-right, as Blair did, the right can’t win votes, at least not enough votes, from those on the centre-left. They’re too ideologically hostile. That’s why, for Conservatives, the ‘imitate Blair’ strategy is bound to fail, and why they didn’t win in 2010 against no serious opposition.

    • Makroon

      So Starkey is a political genius and Macmillan, Heath, Thatcher and Major never happened ?

    • GraveDave

      It’s not failing though is it? It’s the Right that’s failing. Unless you think a bit of hype from the DT and DM means ‘massive support’.

    • Freedom

      Britain has anything resembling a ‘right’? Jaysus, you fooled me. I don’t like the term ‘right’, anyway. That’s Germany circa 1900 till the end of the war. The proper term is classical liberals, heirs and torch-bearers of the Enlightenment.

  • david trant

    ‘The MP’s over there are your opponents, your enemies always sit behind you’
    Winston Churchill

  • global city

    The sceptics have to get Cameron to either include basis like primacy of British courts and British law over EU ones or come out and defend the process of subsuming. They should also corner him about the CET and it’s impact on our exports.

    • Conway

      Well Paterson was quite happy to vote against affirming the sovereignty of Parliament over the EU.

      • global city

        Yes… it is a problem, remember Bill Cash voted for the Maastricht treaty in the end. Party always trumps morals or profoundly held opinion with these people, which is why we all need to seriously think about why we vote them in.

  • jamesbarn

    In spite of losing two seats in the six local elections last Thursday UKIP still polled the following share percentages. 34.9%
    24.3%
    14.7%
    12.0%
    21.7%
    32.0%
    Giving them an average vote share of 17.45%. If they retain only half of this at the GE in 2015 then many marginals will be lost by the Tories. One wonders what sitting MPs in such seats feel about the prospect of a political career heading towards oblivian

    • Makroon

      That looks like a late-edition of Gordon Brown’s tractor production statistics.

    • HookesLaw

      Losiong two seats. The one in Redditch they only won a few months ago.
      http://www.redditchstandard.co.uk/2014/06/13/news-UKIP-mans-departure-leaves-bill-of-10000-108830.html
      ‘The resignation of a former UKIP councillor is set to cost borough taxpayers up to £10,000.
      It means the cost to county taxpayers for by-elections following the resignation of UKIP councillors in controversial circumstances is set to hit almost £49,000.
      Voters in Church Hill will go back to the polls on Thursday, July 17 following Dave Small’s decision to resign last week under pressure about alleged racist and homophobic comments made online and in a radio interview.’

      UKIP lost 50% of their vote and second place to the tories. But you are right – splitting the right wing vote will gift the election to Labour.

  • Michael H Kenyon

    Perhaps Dave has decided the jumped-up grammar school boys and clever-silly oils are an electoral liability, so losses have been cut, knowing his true pals are of the same class and some PR promotions to recapture Tory woman (no longer the trout of history)?

    • telemachus

      The Tory leader has said the debate about grammar schools is “sterile,” but many Conservatives believe they are the best way to increase social mobility and let bright working-class children advance.

      • Kitty MLB

        You don’t seem to understand. Now that the most dynamic education secretary we’ve had in decades
        has gone.One that wanted to make education about
        allowing a child to reach their full potential regardless
        of class. Now that he’s gone the bright working class
        children might suffer the most.

        But what would the Hon Tristram Hunt know about
        that and the only children Labour are concerned
        about are the Muslim children.

        • MirthaTidville

          How very right you are Kitty

        • southerner

          You are undoubtedly right about Hunt. As for Call me Dave, he has no interest in children just his own position. Shame it will all end in tears next May.

      • Conway

        Not just Conservatives – my LD neighbour feels the same.

    • Makroon

      Yeah, that must be why most of the new appointees were educated in the state sector. Doh !

  • Smithersjones2013

    Does anyone seriously believe, given the underlying imbalances in the political landscape that Cameron can win a majority? If he could not do it in 2010 when virtually all the factors were with him then he has no hope of doing so in 2015.

    This reshuffle was an act of Seppuku and all that remains now is for the Kaishaku to be enacted after the 2015 election.

    PS And if anyone was wondering yes I watched ’47 Ronin’ recently.

    • Colonel Mustard

      I think the notion of honour might be missing…

    • telemachus

      Does anyone seriously believe, given the underlying imbalances in the political landscape that Cameron can win a majority?
      *
      As you know Farage by splitting the vote in the 43 Tory marginal has ensured that only the forces of reason can attain a majority

      • Colonel Mustard

        If he does I will laugh and laugh and await your post-election boasting with a schadenfreude you cannot possibly imagine.

      • saffrin

        UKIP is the force for reason, all you and your LIBLABCON pals talk is 100% bolix.
        The only thing keeping Labour afloat is Scotland, soon to be leaving and the North of England and Wales that vote Labour because they ain’t Tory.
        Now there is fk-all difference between Milliband and Cameron, UKIP is the Nu working class hope.

        • HookesLaw

          Its a force for bigotry

          • saffrin

            An end to you and your thought police is what UKIP is.

        • milford

          I agree, except immigrants from the EU will vote Labour so that they can bring their extended families over to settle (Roma wasn’t built in a day). People on benefits will too. Just import your voting base and give the plebs a few extra bob which the tax payer will pay for and you got it. Simples.

          • Conway

            Don’t forget the imbalance in the electoral boundaries, not to mention the postal votes.

        • GraveDave

          Problem is every time supporters like you post up on blogs, it diminishes whatever chances they had left.

  • Magnolia

    The loss of Mr Gove and Mr Patz taken together with the latter’s replacement by a lady who is regarded as poison in the countryside is a ‘kick in the teeth’ or an ‘up yours’ expression by the Conservative party leader to the grass roots.
    The PM has shown utter contempt for the values of shire tories.
    This insult to our values is heaped upon previous insults such as concreting over the countryside, carpeting it with wind turbines and the subsumption of Christian rights to that of GM.
    It is beholden on us all to maintain our subs so that we can partake in choosing the next leader when this blairite ‘camacaroon’ is finally dumped to a job that he is worthy of.

    • telemachus

      Patterson is a poisonous right winger who tried to kill badgers(and failed) and it is to all our benefit that he is gone
      Gove was a dangerous wrecker, the damage from whom it will take years to put right. He should have been taken straight from the Education department to Pontefract or Berkeley Castle

      • Magnolia

        Mr Patz wrote a good article for the DT,
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10978678/Owen-Paterson-Im-proud-of-standing-up-to-the-green-lobby.html

        I believe that badgers eat hedgehogs as well perhaps accounting for the latter’s catastrophic fall in number.

        • dado_trunking

          A brilliant swan song delivered by the beheaded himself. Comments disabled, naturellement.

          • Freedom

            More like ‘Drunkard drunking’, to judge by your incredibly self-admiring comments. I suppose intoxication makes you look and sound better in the mirror. And I suppose your audience (of one) claps.

            • dado_trunking

              Are you iKatz, boy?

        • telemachus

          Yes

          What a self satisfied individual

          “When I set out to shatter the crippling orthodoxy that growing the rural economy and improving the environment are mutually exclusive, I was ridiculed by a public school journalist who thinks the solution to environmental problems is “an ordered and structured downsizing of the global economy”. Back to the Stone Age, in other words, but Glastonbury-style.

          Yes, I’ve annoyed these people, but they don’t represent the real countryside of farmers and workers, of birds and butterflies.”

          • Colonel Mustard

            True enough though. Assorted crusties and melons might be in the countryside but are seldom of it.

            If you had any clue about it you would understand what badgers are really like. And it ain’t Wind in the Willows.

      • Colonel Mustard

        You are a poisonous left winger who tries to justify the killing of human beings by:-

        Terrorists
        Stalin
        Andy Burnham

        The Labour party was and is a dangerous wrecker in its entirety, the damage from which will probably never be put right.

      • MirthaTidville

        No Gove was trying to put right what Liebour had done so wrong, as you well know, which is what miffs you

      • ButcombeMan

        Badger should be culled they have become vermin, there are just too many.

        They wipe out hedgehog, wasp and bees when they become too dominant.

        • Makroon

          I have badgers at the bottom of my garden. I would dearly like them to wipe out the plague of wasps and (imported) hornets from around my fruit trees, but the lazy, striped buggers just won’t learn to climb up the barn.

          • Colonel Mustard

            Where are the hornets imported from and how? It’s a question motivated by genuine curiosity.

            • Makroon

              There are a lot of scare stories in the press about “killer Asian Hornets”, which are supposed to have come here from France (as a result of warming). Others deny that there are any.
              I have seen hornets – larger and more orange coloured than wasps, and slower flying, with a more ominous ‘buzz’ – helpfully identified by an American friend, and local acquaintances say they have seen the same.
              Americans seem to be more worried about huge colonies of aggressive “yellow-jacket” wasps than hornets.
              No hornet stings so far, but I usually pick up a few wasp stings at plum time.
              It is true, from my experience, that domestic bee numbers are drastically down, (although my feral colony in an ancient hive still survives), but all sorts of solitary bees, bumbles, masons etc and hover flies (which are good pollinators), seem to be thriving to fill the gap.

              • Colonel Mustard

                Thank you for that. I have also seen a couple similar to what you describe but assumed they were just queen wasps. I was stung on the neck during what I thought was a “season” of aggressive wasps a few years ago and was surprised at the potency of the venom.

              • ButcombeMan

                In my land, Badger have wiped out Bumble Bee nests, not solitary bees, that is they wiped out the bees as as well as wasps. And Yes, there are a lot of Hornet about, I have not yet seen a nest.

                http://www.bumblebee.org/terr.htm

                Badger are really damaging wildlife. The protection has become a nonsense. I can cull deer on my land but not badger-why?

          • ButcombeMan

            You should train your wasps to live-like mine-(and my bees)- mostly in the ground.

            Badgers as you will have found out, also LOVE fruit trees.

        • Conway

          I agree there are too many badgers – they’re a very common sight as roadkill here. We should, however, be asking why there are too many. The 1972 Wildlife Act is the prime culprit, methinks.

        • Fergus Pickering

          Nonsense. They do no such thing.

          • ButcombeMan

            On my couple of acres, they have.

            What is truly odd is why you would seek to deny these predations. It is bizarre behavior (yours not the Badger).

            Badgers are omnivorous.

            The fact that they prey on the animals I mentioned is very well documented, even by Badger Protection Socities and interest groups.

            A moments Googling would show you I am right and you are wrong.

            It is beyond me why some people seem to want to protect the badger over all others species. They seem mentally deranged to me.

            Protection of badger and man’s removal of the top predator has meant that badger numbers can locally overwhelm. Where I live, they do.

            The debate about badger number seems to circulate around their function as a reservoir of TB. That is myopic, the discussion needs widening. Our landscape is mostly managed, there is very little truly wild. Badgers need managing.

    • dado_trunking

      Paterson was nothing but a pesticide loving, GM crop supporting flood denier. How long did it take him to get out there and dug in? A month!

      Now we find he is off to GWPF, that Lawson outfit for retired old men desperate to avoid the recycling scrapheap. We all knew the chap was a fraud from day one. No one in the countryside misses him. Absolutely no one.

      • Colonel Mustard

        Hm. Same view of OP as Doolally. Interesting. Euro-Melons.

        • dado_trunking

          I refer you to Magnolia’s link.
          “O-Patz: I’m proud of standing up to the green lobby”

          Hahaha! Brilliant! Says the chap in the pockets of climate deniers, pesticide firms, GM crop corporates and farmers who just do not spend the time to keep their cattle clean.

          Ab-so-lutely un-toppable. K-Fed and J-Lo would be proud.

          • Colonel Mustard

            As I said. Euro-Melons.

            PS Very few people would deny the climate…

            • dado_trunking

              I know – and very few people would attempt to rebrand in K-fed style too, for reasons obvious only to culturally diverse progressive greenie countryside types.

              • Colonel Mustard

                You can have the last word. I know that’s important to you.

                • dado_trunking

                  Does your ErictheOwl groupie/alter ego speak or is his sole purpose to postal vote up your comments?

            • Makroon

              A majority of the population seems to be very sceptical about AGR. However, “dado” does have a point about Monsanto and it’s friends, whose board and senior execs should have been incarcerated years/decades ago.

          • MirthaTidville

            Word of advice Dado……change your medication..The one`s you are on arn`t working

            • dado_trunking

              Word of advice Myrtle – I know my rights. They are written down not made up as you go along.
              Your comment would not last 5 minutes over at the Telegraph – refrain from assuming you had the moral authority to make it here. Luv.

              • Freedom

                The Telegraph: I think you mean The Smellygraph, these days. Or Guardian Lite: take your pick. Luv.

                • dado_trunking

                  I don’t read the Guardian since their Money pages went right down the drain 5 years back.

      • ButcombeMan

        My friends down in Somerset miss him, he got a grip on the .European/Labour/Green twaddle that tried to deliberately flood Somerset, almost permanently. “Making room for wild life”

        The Dutch must be laughing, they made a fortune out of sending their kit to relieve Somerset.

      • Catherine Allinson

        Well your assertion that he may well be prime UKIP material does nothing to debunk his anti-green credentials which are both well known and well supported. Try addressing the argument rather than the man please, so we can understand what it is about his views that you find reprehensible please

    • Makroon

      I live in deep England, surrounded by fields. I don’t know many “shire Tories” (but I know quite a few shire Kippers – is that the same ?)
      Most of the normal country folk I know, whether commuters or locally employed, most of whom tend to vote Tory, think the “countryside alliance” are a bunch of gobby intruders.
      And I’ve never met anyone who has an opinion on the relative merits of Paterson and Truss.

    • HookesLaw

      There are no more land wing turbines, the govt have either abolished the subsidy lowered it significantlky.
      You are hyperventilating.

      • Magnolia

        My village is fighting off an attack as you write.

      • Freedom

        Keep living in your dream world, matey.

      • Freedom

        Keep living in your dream world, matey.

    • GraveDave

      F–k the shire Tories. Especially them.

      • Magnolia

        If you live in the UK then they feed you.
        Nice language for such people?

      • ButcombeMan

        That sounds like “hate speech”.

    • Lady Magdalene

      Cameron calculates that he can p!ss off the Tory Shires because sufficient tribal voters will still vote Conservative so although he will lose votes, he won’t lose seats.
      He’s pandering to the liberal marginals.
      You are proving his theory correct.

  • swatnan

    More likely George is keeping the seat warm for Hammond at the Treasury, anatural step up for Hammond whose a bbit of a techno and book keeper..
    George must surely be wanting to move on to fresh fields.
    The cull was necessary; a lot of deadwood had to be cleared. However the removal of Dominic Grieve from AG was unnecssarily a harsh and left him quite rightly feeling aggrieved. To remove him because of his support for the HRA was wrong; to remove him because he sounded too posh might have been better grounds.

    • telemachus

      The biggest mistake will turn out to be the turfing of Paterson and the humiliation of Fox
      This gives Baron, Reckless and crew a leadership focus they have lacked
      When Cameron loses next May they will have his scalp in a trice
      They will be kingmakers putting in an unelectable ever again right wing stooge at the helm
      *
      I love it
      *
      PS what about the policy forum?

      • Makroon

        If Cameron loses he will probably resign.
        And the “chaps” may well elect another unelectable dinosaur, giving Labour at least two terms to complete Red’s project.
        “Equality”, de-capitalisation, education as parlour games, a job for all (unless you earn above average wages) serving the benign state, BBC as “voice of the people”, group-think, ever-closer union, joining the Euro-family, and all the rest.

        • Colonel Mustard

          East Germany in other words…

          • swatnan

            They made bloody good cameras and had 100% employment, and were tops in Gold Medals at The Games.

            • Colonel Mustard

              Oh, well that’s ok then. German optics during the war were excellent. The technology of their indiscriminate rockets was cutting edge.

              • swatnan

                … and after the War they all buggered of to the grand old USA and put a Man on the Moon.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Not all of them. Many went to Russia and ended up back in East Germany.

        • ButcombeMan

          Independent free thinkers who hate “Common Purpose” will all be culled, a bit like badgers.

    • http://owsblog.blogspot.com Span Ows

      “However the removal of Dominic Grieve from AG was unnecssarily harsh and left him quite rightly feeling aggrieved.”

      Dominic Grieve…from AG.. aggrieved
      D Grieve AG = aggrieved, nice anagram!

  • Colonel Mustard

    “The animosity of the right towards Cameron is, perhaps, to be expected.”

    There’s a telling statement for the leader of the Conservative party and the way the left’s narrative has extended to the centre ground and beyond. Anything right of centre is right.

    The article confirms what many of us have long suspected. That Cameron is weak (as well as stubborn) and caves in to lobbying.

    • dado_trunking

      Of course the bigoted right wing ‘cave in to lobbying’ – what did you think pays their bills? Membership fees?

      • Colonel Mustard

        That is not what I wrote though…

        It is what you made up. And in fact bearing in mind the context of the rest of my comment it is a rather ridiculous fabrication. Even for you.

        • telemachus

          That Cameron is weak…. and caves in to lobbying.
          As the leader of the bigoted right wing Cameron of course must be guilty of your charge
          *
          I have told you many times to stand by what you write

          • Colonel Mustard

            You are another one who dissembles and misrepresents.

            My comment referred to him as weak and stubborn but nowhere as “right wing”, let alone “bigoted right wing”. For your silly assertion to stand you would need to evidence that:-

            1. Cameron is right wing
            2. The right wing is bigoted

            For No.1 it is doubtful any evidence exists although any you might produce will be a welcome surprise. You will only evidence No.2 by repeating Labour myths and lies, which are not worth the time you spend contriving them, let alone us reading them.

            • dado_trunking

              Is adding further complexity to your comment now deemed a crime? Sue me.

              • Colonel Mustard

                The gift that keeps on giving. I didn’t write that either.

                But you and Doolally both run an operation here that adds nothing but incomprehensible Euro-irrelevance to other peoples comments. Instead of just writing your own. Or going away.

                • dado_trunking

                  You did write it was a crime, correct. That is why I asked the question. A question is a weird construct, it ends with a question mark. The Spanish use two question marks to make the reader aware at the beginning of the sentence that it’s a question.

                  ¿Are you Spanish as you appear to be needing that additional aide-mémoire?

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Oh no I didn’t. Go and ask your English teacher the difference between a ‘fabrication’ and a ‘crime’. And ask for your money back while you’re at it (although we know it is really Euro taxpayers money).

                  No question marks in my comment either…

                • dado_trunking

                  Dance, Colonel. Dance for me!

                • Colonel Mustard

                  You are the one dancing. A Euro-Melon, dancing prettily.

                  I am just idling my time. You are working for your masters. bUt thanks for the confirmation that you are here merely to play games and disrupt.

                  We call that trolling. So you are a Euro-troll too.

                • dado_trunking

                  Working? On a Sunday?
                  You appear yet again unaware of the detail of the regs – in this instance the EU Working Time Directive, 2003/88/EC, a Directive of the European Union which Britain is a part of would you just believe it …

                  I add the link for your convenience, hahaha!:
                  http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=706&langId=en&intPageId=205

                • Colonel Mustard

                  But we all know you Euro-gaskets ignore your own regulations. How’s that audit coming?

                  PS Bit of a giveaway the speed with which you linked the regulations…

                • dado_trunking

                  Oh Colonel – the ‘clean air directive’, officially known as Directive 2008/50/EC, was only ever ignored by Britain, for reasons obvious only to the progressive green conservative types.

                  One of the results of this directive will be that big polluters will come off the streets – in London the much despised and only five seated *black cab* will no longer tour the streets come 1st Jan 2018 — unless of course they fix their dismal emissions that is.
                  Well done I’d say!

                  As ever, I add a link for the convenience of others – you appear to have given up.

                  http://ec.europa.eu/environment/air/quality/legislation/existing_leg.htm

                • Kennie

                  “…the ‘clean air directive’, officially known as Directive 2008/50/EC, was only ever ignored by Britain,..”
                  If we had taken note of the clean air directive, you would not be able to come around here.

              • Adam Carter

                You didn’t add further complexity.
                You just made something up.

                • dado_trunking

                  I stated what I stated, would you believe it.
                  The *bigoted right wing* depend on baksheesh and cave in to lobbying. Not true? Prove it. I will then top your proof – go on lad, I am all ears. Try me …

            • Tom M

              I never know why you bother with him. Any reply made usually creates a three foot long list of responses that need to be trawled through to find something of genuine interest.
              I think he explores the natural limits of the phrase”I don’t agree with what you say but I defend the right……….”.

              • Colonel Mustard

                “I never know why you bother with him.”

                Probably because passing them by is a meme for what has happened in England. We have given them enough rope to hang us because we can’t be bothered to take them to pieces in the public narrative. So their banal drivel, unchallenged but pursued with determined subversion, now rises in power over us.

                Too late now. The narrative has been re-set and any voice of determined reason is “far right”, “bigoted”, “racist”, etc. A dubious morality spawned from a quasi-religious cult calls the shots and even a Conservative PM falls thrall to its deceits.

                • ButcombeMan

                  I areee Colonel, it is tempting to ignore him but I regularly use one of his posts to remind him and others of the awful “Big Brown Mess”.and the duplicitous & illegal war on Iraq.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Although it would be nice to find a little space
                  to respond to the article.

          • callingallcomets

            Sound the troll horn!!!!!!!!!

    • Makroon

      No. It’s just another Forsyth tittle-tattle piece.
      And he missed out Labour luvvie Boulton’s disgruntled piece, and Peter Pan Clarkson’ nasty little parting shot.
      If mediocre slebs and journos across the political divide are united in their faux outrage, I am forced to conclude that Cameron has had a ‘good reshuffle’ (as indeed, the polls suggest).

      • HookesLaw

        I would not rate it as high as tittle tattle

        • telemachus

          He missed the biggest piece of tittle-tattle
          This was all about George
          The for-us-and-ours minister orchestrated the whole thing to neutralise competitors for the crown
          You could draw parallels with the second and third Labour reshuffles keeping the Chancellor ripe for the top job
          Sadly George lacks the genius of Gordon

    • Lady Magdalene

      The animosity of ex Conservative, now UKIP, members is even greater.
      Cameron deliberately set out to alienate them …… it’s one of the few things he’s been really successful at.

      • Wessex Man

        Depends on how you are looking at it my Lady, if He wanted to commit political suicide he’s done a good job, if he wants to be in power afterthe next election, he’s really messed up.

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