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Video: Rules of engagement, according to Hamas

13 July 2014

1:50 PM

13 July 2014

1:50 PM

CNN recently came across a video of Hamas officials calling on civilians in Gaza to volunteer to become ‘human shields’ so that Palestinian civilian casualties can be maximised.

Fascinatingly a CNN news anchor has put this fact to a Palestinian ‘spokeswoman’ in a live interview.

And what was the response of this ‘spokeswoman’ to the Hamas video?  Well, among other things she said that the idea that Hamas promote a culture of death is ‘offensive’. And best of all she said that ‘the idea that Palestinians use children as human shields is racist’.

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  • nonsequiturcouk

    “There’s no culture of Martyrdom”

    WTAF?

  • dgb

    So speaking of rules of engagement, the ever consistent IDF have taken out 4 seven to twelve year old hard core Islamists at Hamas’s beach front property. (Even Islamist like to kick it at the beach from time to time, or so it seems). This takes the total death score to 4 – 174. Notice the inexcusable Israeli death count increase. For all the rockets fired into Israel, there has been one death. Now let’s do a comparison here, 3 murdered has resulted in 174 murdered. Then Israel lost concentration, or something and let one slip through. Ummm. Can anybody insert the correct comparison symbol between 4 and 174? I’ll make it simple, and this will come as a huge surprise to the majority of Israel’s cheerleading drones, it’s not =. Now for some jewish math, 170 divided by 3 = 56.6. So with Israel down 1 today, and minus the 4 recouped, that means we can expect another 52.6 deaths on the Palestinian side. *If human beings under the age of ten aren’t counted as one, please let me know. I’ll re-do the calculations.

  • John Gerard

    It’s always funny reading posters such as ‘saffrin’ flailing around in their desperate joo-hatred. I can see them now, sitting at their desk sporting a keffiyeh; armed to the teeth with The Guardian, a mug of fair trade coffee and Jeremy Bowen videos running on an endless loop in the corner of the monitor.

    Them Evil Jooz, eh? Causing trouble for mankind at the cutting edge of technology and medicine, with their 165 Nobel prizes. What pests they are…
    Incidentally, if you hate Jooz that much, you may want to throw your computers in the bin – they’re full of Joo-tech.

    Bit of a tough one, eh?

    • 貝瓜525

      Jews have achieved a lot, and prior to the Halocaust by Nazis, they were a thriving minority in Europe with great contribution to the European civilisation. But their religion is obviously not true and they shouldn’t have done ethnic cleansing in Palestine/Israel/Judea/Samaria/Levant/al Sham etc.

      • adamber

        They have also achieved a lot since the Holocaust.
        And they did not carry out ethnic cleansing – that is a lie.

        • 貝瓜525

          Yes to the first bit. No to the 2nd bit. Your blindness to the plight of millions of displaced Palestinians is breath taking. I hope you wake up from this religio-ethnic mind-set.

          • adamber

            So it’s millions now is it?
            Tell me, why are the Palestinians, out of all refugees in the world, the only entity which have refugee status as a hereditary trait?
            It’s like many Jews in the Us saying they are Russian refugees – utterly ridiculous.
            How can you be a refugee from somewhere you’ve never been? Nor your parents, or your grandparents for that matter?
            There was no ethnic cleansing -except Arab ethnic cleansing of Jews.How do you explain the growing Arab population of Israel, and the disappearance of large Jewish communities in Arab countries?
            Stop believing in myths.

            • 貝瓜525

              This has been an interesting discussion. I assume you are of Jewish decent. It has been interesting to know your perspective.

              Now, what you wrote here is somewhat shocking to me.

              • adamber

                Perhaps it shocks you, but it is also correct.
                I think you should ponder why it is that you single out Israel, alone of all nations on earth, for this question of legitimacy.
                Israel has a right to exist – and to exist in peace and security. It should not need to constantly justify its existence. It is profoundly unjust.

                • 貝瓜525

                  No, things that went on in both Americas, Australia and New Zealand are not legal in modern world. And some of these countries have apologised for their past “crime”.

                  Your attempt to white wash what had happen in 1940s and your disregard for your opponent’s claim is what shocked me. Any way it is nice to know a Jewish perspective.

                  Long ago in a flight I sat next to an old lady from Hungary, who escaped from Europe in the era of the holocaust. She was a nice person, but I felt the same shock, a disregard for the Palestinians, even not recogising them as a nation.

                  The Palestinians are mostly descendants of all the nations of that land including Jews who converted to Islam or Christianity about a thousand years ago. Potentially genetically related peoples are hating each other this much is sad. As late Christopher Hitchens said, religion poisons everything.

                • adamber

                  With due respect, that is utter nonsense.
                  Firstly, Israel was not founded in the same way as the US, Australia New Zealand etc. (and interesting to note that you don’t say “they are not sustainable” or question their legitimacy in the same way as you do to Israel). Israel di dnot carry out ethnic cleansing – there are Arabs in Israel in case you didn’t notice. Meanwhile, the Jews in areas captured by the Palestinian Arabs or the Jordanian Arab Legion were murdered or expelled entirely. Furthermore, more Jews were made refugees as a result of the 1948 war than Arabs – a little fact which gets overlooked by people like you.
                  Israel was reborn via a United Nations vote. It is perfectly “legal” – indeed, how many countries were (re)founded with such a legal framework? The partition plan put forward by the Un was accepted by the Jews, and rejected by the Arabs. There had never been an Arab entity in the area, (again, other than as part of an Arabian empire amassed through conquest). And that leads me to your most historically illiterate point – that the Palestinian Arabs are descended from Jews. they are not. They are descendants of the Arabs who came from Arabia in the seventh century through conquest – and most are descended recently (late 19th-early 20th centuries) from Arabs who came to Palestine from Egypt and Syria for work (made available because of Jewish immigration).

                • 貝瓜525
  • BoiledCabbage

    Can the UN, for once, not intervene. There needs to be a decisive victory by one side or the other. The defeated must be described as such. Then maybe History can move on, otherwise its just endless, UN-sponsored cycles of violence. The circus has to end.

    • adamber

      It’s very simple. If Hamas stops firing rockets, it ends.

    • John Court

      An international pariah like Hamas cannot be allowed to run Gaza, regardless of the vote . The UN should take over responsibility for security and policing in Gaza, disarm the population and elections can then happen for a government without those “reserved powers”. If the UN doesn’t have the stomach for the initial disarmament then the IDF should be asked to do it.

      • stephen rothbart

        Er… are you talking about the same UN that lives on Planet Earth?

        Because the one I know of is embedded in Gaza in the shape of UNHRWA. This august body provides careers for loads of people and is the perfect propaganda tool for Hamas. You don’t kill the milch cow.

        Further more, UN soldiers are mostly trained to run away from a fight, as many African women and children and quite a few Bosnian one would tell you – if they were still alive, that is.

        As I remember it the June War in 1967 started when Nasser asked the UN to stop guarding the borders between Israel and Egypt, so they did. Stop. Ran off. Deserted.

        I hardly think the Israelis are going to rely on the UN to protect them and as soon as rockets start going off again, the Hamas operatives will be hiding behind the UN guys so as to inflict casualties on them.

        Good photo-ops.

        • John Court

          Thanks Stephen. I wasn’t aware that the UN were that useless, but now you point it out it seems sort of obvious. It’s a shame though, because that only really leaves the IDF, and I doubt they could disarm Gaza without it turning into a bloodbath.

    • Suzy61

      Boiled Cabbage….don’t be silly now. As we all know, the UN is far too busy sorting out the real injustices of the world – not so long ago they found that Britain was more ‘sexist’ than Azerbaijan (hard to believe, I know, but someone has to say it). So, leave them to get on with the unpleasant, unpopular and dangerous stuff and let the Yanks deal with the day to day ‘details’.

  • Curnonsky

    The use of the words “racist” or “offensive” should from now on be taken as prima facie proof that the speaker is either a) lying, or b) full of it.

  • Donafugata

    Hilarious!

    It’s not fair, Hamas doesn’t have F16 rockets.

    Everyone knows that Israel has superior weapons but Hamas continue with their daily bombardment, knowing they can’t win.

    Eventually they provoke the expected heavy response and then cry that they are the victims.

    It’s the same story over and over again.

    • DazEng

      Hamas: 100 rockets fired
      Israel: silence
      Hamas: 300+tickets fired
      Israel: don’t make me angry
      Hamas: 3 teen abducted
      Israel: I WILL FIND THEM
      Hamas: 3 were killed
      Israel: F16- check,
      Merkava4 -check,
      Short range missiles -check
      Drones – check
      Armed troops – check It is the time to deploy.
      Hamas: oh , god save us.
      World, we are under
      attack, SAVE US FROM THE EVIL ZIONISTS!

      • DougS

        Quite so!

        Hamas have been lobbing rockets at Israel for many months but as soon as Israel hits back, the UN immediately calls for a cease fire.

        • 貝瓜525

          It seems that the death of hundreds of Palestinians do not matter to you. How nice. I am moved.

          • mightymark

            How much do you think it matters to their government – Hamas?

            • 貝瓜525

              How about you?

              • mightymark

                I am appalled and sickened. Now answer my question.,

          • DougS

            Are you stupid or just pretending to be stupid?

            To miss the point so obviously you must be one or the other.

            Do the deaths of Israelis not matter to you or the UN?

            • adamber

              No, he really is that stupid.

              • 貝瓜525

                YOU are stupid. Lick my boot and get lost.

                • adamber

                  Why, because I don’t single out Israel for double standards, hypocrisy and to vent bigotry?
                  Can you answer my question – when was the territory which now comprises Israel a sovereign state for anyone other than the Jewish people?

    • Damaris Tighe

      Actually Hamas does win in the court of western public opinion, or at least the bien pensant who are so divorced from real life that they want war with no casualties or, better still, for the western democratic side to roll over & not defend itself.

      • stephen rothbart

        It’s worse. Even Wolf Blitzer on CNN asked the Israeli spokesman if it was fair that so many Palestinians had died and yet no Israelis so how can this attack on Gaza be justifiably continued?

        The world’s media have gone mad. So PC that a top interviewer on live TV can ask such a dumb question and not be fired.

        • Damaris Tighe

          Jaw-dropping. Whaaaaat?

  • Suzy61

    The Palestinians breed hatred into their children and sacrifice (murder) them to put on a show for the lazy journos who don’t bother to ask the pertinent questions. One mother, wailing over the bleeding and broken body of her child pleaded to the camera ” how do we stop this…how do we stop them breaking our children?”. Easy. Stop firing rockets.

    • global city

      Gaza has become one big Hollywood backlot, where everyone has to be a headline performer, lines ever ready, no extras, everyone a star.

      • Suzy61

        Especially…the children. The little, innocent ones. The ones at the mercy of their ‘pushy’ parents.

        • global city

          Yes, the ones who will then joyously display their child’s poor little shredded body to the dupes in the western press. Barbaric.

    • gerronwithit

      You don’t mean Jeremy Bowen, do you?

      • Suzy61

        Jeremy Bowen? A fair enough question. However, he’s a BBC puppet. I saw this on Sky (which is running Al-Beeb a close second in the ‘pity the poor Palestinian’ game). Expect to see Bowen appearing next with a pink, gingham tea-towel on his head. Bless ‘im.

  • Makroon

    To put a whole population into a giant prison camp indefinitely, then to expect them not to get desperate, is lunatic.

    • Hexhamgeezer

      Cobblers analogy

    • mightymark

      That might have some validity if what we were looking at was a popular insurrection or uprising against an occupying power. This isn’t. It is a cold, calculated decision by the government of Gaza – Hamas – to launch what by common consent are futile attacks on Israel (futile that is, in the sense of doing Israel any lasting damage) for what appear to be purely political reasons largely to do with its own failures and which include putting its own people in harms way.

      • Donafugata

        Quite, it is futile but it is a PR stunt, hoping for sympathy, especially with Obama in The Whitehouse.

    • global city

      The cliched gruniadista response.

    • Tom Allalone

      Here’s a link to a map

      https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Gaza+Strip/@31.4102459,34.3886928,11z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x14fd844104b258a9:0x7e8955cbe285984e

      If you look carefully you will see Gaza has a border with Egypt. Egypt is an Arab country. Ever thought of asking Egypt to open its border with Gaza?

      • The Masked Marvel

        Clowns like that will only repeat what the BBC has fed them: US money keeps Egypt on side, and the US Congress, who grant the money, is controlled by the Jooooos.

        • lookout

          Prove it

          • The Masked Marvel

            Here’s the BBC explaining last year that US money – authorized by the US Congress – pays for Egypt’s border with Gaza:

            http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24457470

            And here’s a link to a number of BBC reports about concerns over the Jewish Lobby intimidating US politicians and having too much influence:

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/search/news/?q=jewish+lobby

            Do the math.

          • The Masked Marvel

            Hey Lookout! The bloke with the 525 in his moniker just proved it in a comment below.

    • Augustus

      The fact is that ever since 1948 the Arabs in Palestine have set themselves the goal of supplanting the State of Israel with their own state and kicking the Jews out. If these people and their allies hadn’t started a war and had decided to live peacefully alongside the Jewish Homeland there wouldn’t be any ‘Palestinian refugees’, nor would every piece of territory from which Israel withdraws in good faith fill up with people who want to destroy it.

    • adamber

      Makroon
      Thousands of tonnes of supplies go into Gaza every week – from Israel. Egypt, the Gazans’ fellow Arabs, operate a total blockade and give Gaza precisely zero.
      Several thousand Gazans receive free medical treatment in Israel every year, courtesy of the Israeli taxpayer. They don’t go to Egypt.
      Hamas fires rockets into Israel, not Egypt.
      I think you need to think a bit more, and spout off a bit less.

    • TNT

      I think the UN should pay every Muslim ‘Palestinian’ one million dollars to move to a neighbouring Arab state for a fresh start. (It has cost way, way more the way that they have been allowed to stick around like a bad smell for over 60 years). If someone gave me one million dollars to go somewhere already established and which mirrored my values and culture, I’d go like a shot.

      Or, the ‘Palestinians’ can be offered conversion to Judaism.

      You know, just as Muslims eventually did to their fellow citizens in 57 countries.

  • 貝瓜525

    The state of Israel is unsustainable in the long run. My hope is on atheists on both sides to make peace and for both peoples to live together in one state. The Jewish state is unjust and racist, just as the Palestinian’s. That land belong to all who live there, not one religion or ethnic group. Religion is poison, perhaps Islam a tad worse that Judaism, but both are bad curses to human civilisation. Therefore, i am appalled by atheist who only support Israel.

    • BoiledCabbage

      Look to your own country – were those borders designed by the UN or were they designed with the blood of your people? They are the only borders that last.

      • 貝瓜525

        think long term. taking the land from others, sitting there and creating borders is not sustainable; that is my argument.

        • stephen rothbart

          Well in that case you are right. America, Canada and the entire South American continent will probably implode at any minute. Thank heavens they got the World Cup over just in time.

          • 貝瓜525

            It is useful sometimes to use your brain and ponder the difference, instead of irrational generalisation that you do in your other posts.

            • adamber

              I think all the generalising is coming from you.

        • adamber

          So that would be the Arab conquests then?

    • Leocrumb

      Israel is a secular democracy, and the Jews who are a recognised ethnic group as well as a religion have just as much right to self determination as anyone else.

      • 貝瓜525

        it is nice that it is a democracy, but what that has that to do with the problem? democracy is about the relationship between those who govern and those who are governed. it is not a token to take land from others on silly religious basis and confine them to small patch of land. monotheism like judaism is one of the worset curse to human civilisation imo, only second to islam which in same way a plagiarism of judaism.

        • gelert

          Jews don’t have a long history of persecuting people who don’t follow Judaism. Unlike Christians and Muslims, who not only have persecuted people of other faiths but also different branches of the same faith.

          • stephen rothbart

            Stalinists and Leninists and Marxists never persecuted people either, so I think he has a very logical and informed grasp of history. I look froward to reading his posts because one learns so much from them.

          • 貝瓜525

            That is nice, but dose it have to do with good nature of Judaism, or is it because in the past thousands of years, there was never any Jewish kings and rulers that could do such things?

        • adamber

          Land was not “taken from others”, so the entire premise of your argument falls flat.

    • http://owsblog.blogspot.com Span Ows

      “My hope is on atheists on both sides…”

      I got this far and realised it wasn’t worth reading on.

      • 貝瓜525

        get lost

    • The Masked Marvel

      Nonsense. If you lot do somehow magically force them all into a single state, the Arabs will immediately attempt to exterminate the Jews among them. By whom will you be appalled then? If you don’t think that’s a possibility, or the true goal of the Palestinians and the rest of the Arabs in the region, then you have a very poor grasp of reality.

      Palestinian leadership have already stated quite clearly that any eventual State of Palestine existing alongside Israel will be Judenrein. Why on earth would anyone think that would be different if they were both lumped into a single state?

      • 貝瓜525

        forece is your word, not mine. and what you suspect arabs of doing, doesn’t it relate to how islam views jews? that is why i put my hope on athiests, not cultural muslims. may secualr people on both sides are acting on old religious ethos, imo.

        • The Masked Marvel

          I used the word “force” because that’s the only way it could happen. It’s sheer to fantasy to believe otherwise. What do you expect atheists to do, exactly?

          • 貝瓜525

            One major root of the problem is in religion. Jews and cultural Jews think a god promised them the land. Muslims and cultural Muslims think Muhammad flew there and then flew to the heaven, and all the hatred expressed in the Quran about Jews. Atheists who are not influenced by these stupid nonsense are the only party that can overcome this; don’t you think so.

            Imo, one major pillar of Israel’s existence is the generous aid from the United States. It is mostly because Jews in the U.S. hold electoral sway. Do you think this will certainly continue for hundreds of years? Or thousands or years? Holding a super power hostage in this way is in no way certain, because demographics is always subject to change. Therefore you need to make peace with Arabs.

            • The Masked Marvel

              “Jews in the U.S. hold electoral sway.”

              You do realize the Protocols of the Elders of Zion isn’t real, right?

              “Therefore you need to make peace with Arabs”

              So much for your utter BS about atheists fixing things. Let’s see you lecture Muslims now. Go on, you’re so brave and righteous, eh?

              • 貝瓜525

                This kind of religio-ethnic ego is a source of conflict that goes on for hundreds of years. GOOD LUCK.

                In this sense, Judaism and Islam are the worst lot. My point is, conditions that are favourable to Israel won’t likely to last forever, and they (you) better do something. I think Mr. Rabin and maybe Mr. Perez saw this.

                • The Masked Marvel

                  A cowardly retreat.

      • Damaris Tighe

        Ah yes, but at least piles of Jewish bodies would attract the hand-wringing currently reserved for the Palestinians.

        • Guest

          When I say atheists, I don’t refer to cultural Jews who go along nonsense that that land was given/promised to them by a god.

          • Damaris Tighe

            I repeat, Israel is full of atheists who support Israel for reasons other than the idea that is was given to them by God.

    • gelert

      You do know the fate for Muslim apostates, don’t you ?

      • 貝瓜525

        Yes, so?

    • stephen rothbart

      Well most people are probably appalled at what you wrote here, so I guess it all evens out in the end.

      As I remember, Stalin was atheist but managed to kill over 10 million people. So thanks for the reminder.

      • 貝瓜525

        Your logic is silly. One atheist action does not speak for all atheists. He reversed the oppression of Russian Orthodox Church when he saw that it contributed to Russian’s sense of patriotism.

        • adamber

          Yours absence of logic is silly. Indeed, you posit an utterly incoherent stream of consciousness which is going nowhere.

          • 貝瓜525

            It seems you trow around these words without much thought, because they best describe your own comments.

            • adamber

              What on earth are you talking about?
              Try making a point – somewhere.

              • 貝瓜525

                Have you read my 1st comment?

        • adamber

          Interesting way of describing the murder of tens of millions – “one atheist action.”
          Says much about your moral compass – or lack of one.

      • adamber

        In fact it was closer to 25 million. Not to mention Pol Pot or Mao.

    • Damaris Tighe

      Israel is full of atheists who support Israel.

      • 貝瓜525

        When I use the word atheists, I don’t refer to cultural Jews who go along a nonsense that that land was given/promised to them by a god.

        • Damaris Tighe

          Israel is full of atheists who support Israel & don’t believe it was given to them by God.

          • 貝瓜525

            On what ground do they think that land is theirs?

            • Damaris Tighe

              On the grounds of a continued Jewish presence of around 3000 years.

              • 貝瓜525

                They are cultural Jews then. The old testament is by far not a historically accurate document. At any case being there 3000 year ago doesn’t make it your land.

                • Damaris Tighe

                  I wrote ‘continuous’.

                • 貝瓜525

                  I understand there are many groups who have lived there for thousands of years besides small number of Jews who were living there in 1945. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY

                • adamber

                  …and none of them lived there in their own sovereign state – except the Jews.
                  On what basis does your country have a right to exist? Or New Zealand, Australia, Bolivia, Canada or Brazil?
                  Why is it only Israel which gets singled out in this way?

                • 貝瓜525

                  Well modern Israel’s legitimacy is questioned because the land was taken from non-Jews who were living there. Sovereign state? You mean feudal kingdoms? There were plenty of non-Jewish kingdoms throughout history.

                • anotherjoeblogs

                  You do understand Judaism and Christianity pre-date islam or do you ?

                • adamber

                  No it wasn’t “taken” from anyone.
                  The ONLY time that area has been a sovereign state has been as a Jewish state – otherwise it has been part of larger empires which came and went.
                  Your ignorance is astonishing.

                • 貝瓜525

                  YOUR ignorance is astonishing. There were many kingdoms and fiefdoms. Anyway Jews were a tiny minority in 1940s.

                • adamber

                  Name one.

                • 貝瓜525

                  The Ayyubid dynasty, the kingdom of Jerusalem and a kingdom or fiefdom by Philistines. FYI your use of “sovereign” sounds odd for feudalistic periods. And you are wrong in somehow ruling out empires. There has always been people there.

                • adamber

                  Wrong – and thank you for proving my point.
                  The Ayyubid dynasty stretched from north Africa to what is now Iraq – the Land of Israel was but one part of a larger empire through conquest – and not distinguished from the rest of the empire. Going by your reckoning, we could include the Romans, the Mamluks, the Ottomans and the British Empire. None of them had a specific link with that specific land. The Kingdom of Jerusalem postdated the Jewish Kingdoms by two thousand years (why do you think Jerusalem was holy to the Crusaders – could have had something to do with a Jew who lived a thousand years before there named Jesus)? Is anyone trying to reclaim the Kingdom of Jerusalem now?
                  As for the Philistines, they stopped existing several thousand years ago, but perhaps we could raise them so that we can create a conflicting claim to the land from the Jews.
                  Pathetic. Your intellectual dishonesty does you no favours.

                • 貝瓜525

                  Only your religiously deluded mind make this nonsensical distinction between one kingdom and another. There is NO legal or sane moral basis to resurrect an obscure kingdom of 3000 years ago, other than imaginary words from your psychopathic friend Yahweh.

                  I hope American taxpayers realise that they are paying for this crazy concept, and ethnically cleansing people who had been LIVING there for thousands of years.

                • adamber

                  You have completely failed to grasp the distinction of a sovereign nation, and being but one part of a much larger empire. One has a distinguishable connection to one specific piece of land, the other doesn’t. Why is it so difficult for you to wrap your head around that concept?
                  There has been no ethnic cleansing – that is simply a lie. As I pointed out to you previously (to which you didn’t respond), it is the Jews who have been systematically chased out of Arab countries, to a point where large communities within living memory have ceased to exist, whilst the Arab population of Israel has grown every year since Israel was reborn. The vast majority of Arabs from what is now Israel and the Palestinian Authority areas are NOT descended from inhabitants from thousands of years ago – as your own previously inept post about Philistines and the Ayyubids demonstrates.
                  As for American taxpayers, they are currently funding the PA/Hamas alliance – people who hate America (and kill Americans) whilst the money Israel receives is almost entirely ploughed directly back into the US arms industry – effectively subsidizing American manufacturers such as Boeing.
                  Any more nonsense you wish to spout?

                • 貝瓜525

                  Your distinction is solely based on religio-ethnic bases. Many people came to and gone from that land including Jews. Even under and empire there were people living there, ruled under local stongmen.

                  You also mix-up the concept of modern nation state’s sovereignty and that of ancient feudalistic kingdom and fiefdom. The later was a result of crude conquest and about who the residents paid tax to. Unless it has continuously existed, ancient kingdom and fiefdom have no basis in current international order.

                  I acknowledge Jew’s suffering as well.

                • adamber

                  No they weren’t. They were indeed a minority, but your attempt at “tiny” gives your game away. Arab immigration to Palestine increased markedly in line with Jewish immigration, as Jews brought work and opportunities which did not exist for neighbouring Arabs in Egypt and Syria. And in fact, the Jews were in a majority in Jerusalem from several decades before the 1940’s.
                  Incidentally, perhaps you should consider what the Middle East looked like in the 1940’s – for example, 40% of Baghdad was Jewish. Now not one Jew Not one Jew lives in the whole of Iraq. Yu can see similar patterns in Yemen, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Lebanon, and Syria. In contrast, the Arab population in Israel has grown year on year – and in Gaza and in Judea and Samaria. You talked of “ethnic cleansing”.
                  Which side has been ethnically cleansed?

                • 貝瓜525

                  Arabs has commited crimes against Jews. Allah is more psychopathic than Yahweh I would say. Both don’t exist.

                • adamber

                  Whatever you say number 525.
                  You sound rather psychopathic yourself.

  • The Masked Marvel

    The BBC and supporters of the Palestinian cause will still blame Israel for knowingly killing children. Mostly these people blame Israel for oppressing the Palestinians so severely that they’re driven to these acts of desperation because they have no other choice.

    This video will not change a single mind. Note the inevitable comments already popping up.

  • Uncle Brian

    The old two prams cartoon hasn’t been getting as much publicity this time around, but it remains as true as ever.

  • Winston Burchill

    The use of human shields is bizarre.

    • JoeDM

      Not for the islamofascists.

    • Shazza

      Well they do say that unlike us who love life, they love death.

  • AJH1968

    Hezbollah used the same tactic in Lebanon a few years ago and when the Israelis were forced to withdraw, they crowed shamelessly over their so called victory. Hamas is doing the same now. It is an old and trusted technique which requires a complete lack of empathy for the people they supposedly represent. Western sympathizers (and there are many) think that the problem can easily be solved with a little give and take. Does anybody remember Ehud Barrack the left leaning Israeli prime minister; he attempted a rational discourse with Arafat only to fail dismally. Given the mainstream support that Hamas enjoys among the populace (God knows why) it is quite a problem. To accede to their demands of such people is lunacy.

  • saffrin

    If the existence of a state called Israel is justified, why has the middle east been in turmoil since the jews invaded?

    • Marky_D

      LOL – good one. The middle east has been a hotbed of extremism, mysogyny and despotism for oh, roughly 1400 years now. Surely the one thing we can take from the emergence of the Islamic State is that mohammedans don’t need jews present to go a-murdering.

      • saffrin

        You could say the same thing about Christendom.
        The USA for example was a hotbed of extremism until the Christians murdered almost ALL of the indigenous peoples.

        • Hexhamgeezer

          The ME conflict is a religious campaign of extermination (of Jews). The creation of the USA was not a Christian campaign of extermination.

          • saffrin

            Not so.
            The ME conflict is who controls the religious areas and the recognition of a state called Israel.
            Wiping Israel off the map doesn’t signify exterminism just the recognition.

            • Hexhamgeezer

              Cobblers. Ask Fatah or Hamas, or Hezbollah or…. they’ll put you right as to what this conflict is about.

        • Catherine Waterman

          Historic genocides are indeed Horrific and shameful beyond words. I don’t think anyone here would dispute it. I can only hope we have truly learnt something from our own violent history. But let’s concentrate on the here and now.

          It’s equally shocking to learn that Hamas is sacrificing women and children in order to manipulate the Western mindset. Hamas wants us to punish Israel and they will stop at nothing to achieve their aim. The reality is that Isreael is protecting its people from the bombardment of Hamas rockets. Whether Israel’s response is excessive, well history will be the judge.

          Let’s be clear, Hamas is an Islamist terrorist set-up. Its worldview has arisen from the most violent and hateful verses of the Quaran. Allah hates the Jews (and all non-Muslims to a lesser extent), so the ultimate aim is to wipe from the face of the Earth all non-believers.

          Additionally, Hamas’ belief system glorifies martyrdom. They know that the deaths of innocent children (used as human shields) will shock and sicken Western governments – and indeed, will sicken any decent human being. Decency, in the Hamas’ mindset, is a sign of weakness to be exploited to the full.

          Hamas’ game plan is the manipulation of Western hearts and minds. This tactic has worked well for them in the past – it certainly had me fooled for a while.

          Suffice to say, the propensity to engage in warfare is an evil weakness of humanity. I certainly cannot bring myself to look at images of dying and wounded children in particular.

          My only hope is that Islam will eventually undergo a major transformation which will enable it to adopt the ethics of the 21st Century. In all honesty though, I wish Islam had never arisen at all.

        • Liberty

          Most of them died from imported diseases that they had no resistance too – not that the early immigrants weren’t genocidal too.

        • stephen rothbart

          Was that before, during or after the American Civil War which killed over 800,000 non native Americans? Just asking because clearly you have a great knowledge of history.

      • Gergiev

        Silly boy: even when Muslim is murdering Muslim it is still the fault of the Jews (or the Americans… same thing…)

      • BoiledCabbage

        1400? Read the Old Testament – more like 3000?

    • lookout

      Go and listen to Caroline Glick on YouTube, you will find that Israel is the only legitimate state in the middle east. Why isn’t she invited to have a column at the spec?

    • Liberty

      The Jews didn’t invade. They were there before your lot. They had been living in Hebron, Sfad and Jerusalem since biblical times. Jews were a majority in Jerusalem for half the 19c. Thereafter there was more Arab immigration than Jewish. Arafat was born in Cairo. There was never a state called Palestine and no Arab state where Israel, the WB or Gaza is now. Palestine was divided into Jordan [1922] and Israel [1948]. Arabs were offered a second state on what was left [which would have been a lot bigger than Israel] but refused when Israel accepted. When five Arab armies tried to destroy Israel they told Israeli Arabs [they were now citizens of Israel] to leave and get out of the way. 555,000 Israeli Arabs could not drive out 650,000 Arabs and fight off 5 Arab armies at the same time [although some Israeli commanders did not resist the obvious advantage of ‘encouraging’ then to leave faster]. 20% of them stayed and they and their descendants are to this day Israeli citizens.

    • Tom Allalone

      So there is no historic connection between Jews and the middle east? And it’s propaganda when facts are reported that don’t fit into your Jew hating world view?

      • saffrin

        The jews have always been trouble makers right throughout history.

        • adamber

          At least you don’t hide your bigotry.
          Still, you are a hater, so why would anyone listen to you?

          • saffrin

            You on the other hand are a complete d!ckhead.

            • adamber

              I see you’re a towering intellect.
              I rest my case.

        • Hexhamgeezer

          FOAD

        • JEF ZOOH

          Hahaha. I’m on the floor laughing. You’re a textbook NaaaaTZee!

          • Damaris Tighe

            But at least he’s honest about his hatred, unlike those who cloak it in ‘anti-zionism’.

            • saffrin

              What hatred would that be?

              • Damaris Tighe

                Quote: The jews have always been trouble makers right throughout history. Unquote.

          • saffrin

            You knuckle dragging troll. Try reading some history.

            • stephen rothbart

              You can read? Without moving your lips too? Who would have guessed?

    • gelert

      Europe was invaded by Muslims over a thousand years ago. They were eventually driven out. Now they’re back in another invasion without the need for arms this time.

    • JEF ZOOH

      Invaded? Saffron, you really need to objectively look at history. Jews have always been a presence in the middle-east, before Mohammad.

      • saffrin

        The jews have never been anything more than a religious cult.
        They have never had their own nation.

        • adamber

          …and you say “read some history”!
          They were a nation when your ancestors were living in caves.

          • saffrin

            My ancesters lived in a three bed house long before 1947.

            • adamber

              How about 2500-3000 years ago, you complete cretin?
              And it was 1948 for the rebirth. I see you really know your history.

            • Tad_Porter

              That explains the in-breeding.

  • swatnan

    Pretty sick isn’t it. Notice that people like bin Ladens equivalent never volunteered to be first in the queue. These islamofacists need certifying.

    • sarah_13

      I wondered where the news coverage is of the pro-palestinian protesters who attacked a synagogue in paris shouting “slaughter the jews”? Nothing in the BBC or guardian or any newspapers.

      • JEF ZOOH

        Appalling.

        • sarah_13

          Indeed. I have just noticed an article in the guardian about it but nothing on theBBC or Sky that I can see.

    • will91

      Nor is there any news about the murderer of three Jews at the Jewish Museum in Brussels 2 months ago. Or the murder of the French primary school teacher 2 weeks ago…

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