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Moeen Ali reminds us that sometimes sport is the only place for politics

29 July 2014

29 July 2014

Moeen Ali, the England cricketer, faces a possible reprimand after the International Cricket Council (ICC), the game’s governing body, censured him for wearing two wristbands, one saying ‘Save Gaza’, the other ‘Free Palestine’. International cricketers are, you see, prohibited from making political statements on the field.

The English Cricket Board, which is not above making political statements (as its various boycotts of Robert Mugabe’s Zimbabwe suggest), dissents from the ICC’s view, and says that Moeen’s stance is ‘humanitarian not political’.

What, then, of ‘Save Gaza’ and ‘Free Palestine’? There is politics here. And, yes, it is partial. The ECB is disingenuous to suggest that this is a merely ‘humanitarian’ sentiment. But it’s hardly controversial and it definitely isn’t offensive. It does not incite violence or religious hatred. It does not imply violence or religious hatred. It’s in keeping with Moeen Ali’s quiet principles.

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Moeen Ali is, very obviously, a devout Muslim. As an England cricketer from the Muslim community, he is attended by the watchwords ‘integration’ and ‘British Muslim’, which have assumed great weight in light of the ‘Trojan Horse’ saga in Moeen’s native Birmingham.

It is to his credit that he ignores the politics around him. He simply bowls his underrated off-spin, and bats with an air of calm (until threatened by the short ball). It goes without saying that if Moeen was a political firebrand, rather than an empathetic, intelligent Muslim, then he probably wouldn’t be playing cricket for England; that sort have other things to be doing this summer.

There are some who say that a cricket pitch is no place even for gentle, humane politics. Sport would make for dull viewing if constantly overridden by politics, especially in the form of overt demonstration. But sometimes a cricket ground is a fine venue for political speech, as when Andy Flower and Henry Olonga took to the field wearing black armbands to mark the ‘death of democracy’ in Zimbabwe. Sometimes a sports pitch is the only place there is to make a clear statement on grave matters.

As I write, a pro-Palestinian protest is underway on Whitehall. It’s loud and strangely threatening to witness. The placards on display are aggressive: ‘Stop Israel’s State Terror’; ‘Judaism Condemns the Zionist Occupation and Siege’. These sentiments do not, I think, aid the cause of peace. They entrench resentment. Their anger confounds empathy. They achieve nothing.

A wristband, by contrast, is a quiet form of political protest – that is it’s only strength. A growling youth bearing a divisive placard is objectionable. A wristband is not.

The Middle East is lamentable, whichever side you take. If the ICC must sanction Moeen, perhaps an enterprising administrator (ho, ho) will insist that he wears a wristband in support of the two state solution and Israel’s right to exist. Then the ICC might ponder whether it needs a policy on inoffensive wristbands at all.


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  • whs1954

    Again the cheap moral equivalence. On another blog last night I made the point that the issue is not the wearing of a political wristband but the wearing of a band which, to anyone of intelligence, should be beyond the pale.

    If Ali went in to bat wearing a blue wristband saying “Up Cameron! Vote Tory!”, then fine. If he’d gone in wearing a red wristband saying “Up Miliband, vote Labour!”, ditto. But go in wearing a red-white-blue band saying “Up Nick Griffin! Vote BNP!” – that is quite different.

    For similar reasons, a wristband proclaiming “Free Palestine” from a man deliberately wearing an unnecessary beard (there is nothing in Islam that mandates a man to wear a beard, and I know a load of clean shaven Muslim men) for no purpose other than to flaunt his adherence to the religion of peace means only one thing – someone who thinks that “Justice for Palestine” means the same as “The Jews should be driven into the sea”.

    It is for this filthy anti-semitism that Moeen Ali should be punished, not for wearing a political wristband.

  • Gwangi

    So I take it the author of this article would also defend the right of a BNP supporter to wear a BNP badge whilst playing cricket, or perhaps a hardcore Zionist?
    It’s always the same in such situations. The usual suspects robustly defend the free speech of those who share their views and sympathies. But suddenly become all in favour of censorship when those with opposing views want equal treatment.

  • pole

    I thought its 2014, well looks more like 1984, Orwell would be proud.

  • zanzamander

    Are there any wristbands in support of #bringbackourgirls?

  • zanzamander

    What if Indian players had worn wristbands in support of those massacred in Mumbai terrorist attacks or Kashmiri Pundits hounded out of their ancient homelands by Islamists?

    • zanzamander

      I don’t think we can even say what I’ve said above on blogs like this, lest it upset some very special people, never mind wearing wristbands on the matter.

      There are certain causes and groups that are above normal rules, regulation and law.

  • ohforheavensake

    A growling youth bearing a divisive placard is democracy.

    Aside from that (rather silly) slip, good post.

  • BarkingAtTreehuggers

    I like this kind of thing. Many who are neither Muslim (what’s it got to do with religion?) nor in any direct or indirect way linked to the Palestinian cause will find little difficulty in welcoming this chap’s subtleties.

    • wudyermucuss

      And we all know what the message is.
      Many who are neither Muslim (what’s it got to do with religion?(so why mention it in his statement?)) nor in any direct or indirect way linked to the Palestinian cause will find little difficulty in condemning this chap’s blatantly provocative,selective,non-subtleties.

      • BarkingAtTreehuggers

        Ok, we note you were offended by the non-subtlety of my comment.
        Let’s try this one to compensate you for your grievance:

        When will these pork-despising cretins finally stop bashing their heads in? The solution is clear for everyone to see: eat more pork and stay sane!

    • the viceroy’s gin

      …well, you socialist nutters always did like destroying what you disagree with, so nothing new there, eh lad?

  • mightymark

    How far do we take this point – someone wearing overtly party political slogans – someone wearing racially abusive slogans?

  • George

    I think you are very shallow if not subversive, maligning a game to trumpet your point of view , two wrongs don not make one right. By the way I nearly subscribed to The Spectator yesterday, but you will forgive me now, wouldn’t you !

  • Novus

    It’s simple really: in order to prove that the wristbands under discussion are indeed humanitarian and not political, all Moeen needs to do is issue a clarification to the effect that he wore them before they were finished and neither phrase is complete. He can then play in the next Test match with the completed wristbands, both of which will have had the words “from Hamas” added.

  • Smithersjones2013

    What a lot of nonsense. Let’s just hope Ali isn’t make himself and him team mates a high profile target for political statements shall we!

    God forbid we should see the likes of this again!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre

    There is no space for politics in sport! Politics just soils and taints sport as it soils and taints every other aspect of life!

    PS And the free Palestine comment was morally and politically offensive. Ali should be suspended from the team!

  • the viceroy’s gin

    “Moeen Ali reminds us that sometimes sport is the only place for politics”

    .

    Huh? By what tortured reasoning have you come up with this inanity?

    This publication is truly going off the deep end now. I can’t imagine it will be around 5 years from now. This continual scattered nonsense is generally the sign that the end is near. Newsweek gone… and now the Speccie.

    • Grey Wolf

      This article is a product of delusional and lazy thinking.

    • Inverted Meniscus

      Socialist nutter reasoning Viceroy.

  • In2minds

    The beard is not the least bit ‘political’ is it?

    • Grey Wolf

      Well spotted. The size and style…nah ..nothing political at all…

      • HookesLaw

        well mitmisn’t.
        I think the wristbands are and should not have been worn whilst playing.

        • anotherjoeblogs

          I have been on buses in Turkey when the driver has refused a man with a beard like from boarding because they fear their lives.
          Do the Turks not understand the significance of a beard like that ?

        • Dutchnick

          Maybe such messages should only be allowed on blindfolds

  • Ron Todd

    Of course he got away with it. Any official trying to criticise him would have been accused of racism or islamaphobia. the ECB would risk having a mob of howling numpties outside their offices and the liberal media would be demanding expensive inquires.

    • Alexsandr

      thats the sort of bo110cks that has to stop.

  • Suzy61

    Shazza is absolutley correct. Would it have been acceptable for the Argentinian (or English) football teams to wear wristbands regarding the dispute over the Falklands/Malvinas? You describe this character as quiet, empathatic and intelligent..and yet willing to wear such a provocative message? Would you afford such generous praise to a player who supported the Israelis? By the way, has this intelligent individual spoken out about the ‘trojan horse’ plot in any way? Mmmm…thought not.

    • artemis in france

      They should have told him to lose the beard before he was picked. Apart from the fact that it looks like it’s hooked on over his ears, it is a blayant symbol of the wrong kind of Islamic attitude. If he’s so intelligent presumably he’s aware of this and is quietly rubbing the noses of all non-Muslims in the fact that everyone is too afraid to mention his ridiculous facial haïr.

      • Damaris Tighe

        That type of beard is the male equivalent of the burqa – ie a religio-political sign.

        • Dutchnick

          It does have one advantage in that if is such a photo was attached to a CV we would not offer employment purely on grounds of health and safety you understand.

          • Damaris Tighe

            yeah, right ….

  • LadyDingDong

    On the various execs and boards on which I have sat, politics, by necessity, was left at the door, although my colleagues were mostly aware which party I supported. I respect and fully understand Ali’s (predictable) backing for the Palestine’s cause but the place for that is away from the cricket field and if he doesn’t like it he can be a (minor) martyr for the cause. I just wonder what would happen if my strident support for Israel would survive me walking up the Edgware Road with a Save Israel from Murderous Hamas t-shirt?

    • Pelo Nord

      You’d be in greater danger in Hackney or Camden probably..

      • artemis in france

        You obviously haven’t visited the Edgware Road recently.

        • wudyermucuss

          Or Whitechapel,Mile End,Harrow,etc etc…………

  • Swiss Bob

    Didn’t he say after one match “this is for islam’.?

    Just what we need, an islamist in the England cricket team.

    • http://owsblog.blogspot.com Span Ows

      If he said that he shouldn’t play again for England, ever.

      • HookesLaw

        I don’t think he said that. We have a Telegraph article (requoted endlessly)which slightly I think misrepresents what he said – ie ‘playing for islam’, when he said something that can be construed quite differently… ‘proud to represent the muslim faith’.
        Needless to say many Telegraph comments were pretty sickening.

        Nasser Hussain was /is of course a muslim, so Swiss Bob is being hysterical.
        I am mindful that lots of footballers seem to cross themselves kiss crucifixes and offer prayers to the sky. They are proud to be Christians even thought hey play for whoever.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          …always quick with the moral equivalencies, you socialists are.

        • artemis in france

          Hussein has never mentioned his faith, as far as I know, and seems a completely integrated Englishman to me.

        • Dutchnick

          Yes but Christians do not have a mandatory belief that I should be killed for being a non-believer. Though that said supporting Fulham has a questionable right to life!

  • Archibald Heatherington

    I still think his batting suffers from the beard: That combined with the helmet seems to compromise his vision. Grace never had to suffer these irritating helmets.

    • Inverted Meniscus

      I bet he didn’t wear wristbands either.

  • Curnonsky

    If he’s so quiet and non-political then why was he publicly wearing the wristbands in the first place? And what does “Free Palestine” mean other than “exterminate Israel”? Another case of denial by an erstwhile supporter of multi-culti.

    • kingkevin3

      Extraordinary reaction here, where children are being ripped to pieces daily. The fact all he has done is wear an arm band speaks volumes for his character. He doesn’t advocate wanton violence and he doesn’t ignore the suffering of the innocent with indifference. Quite shocking to read the crap in these comments. Anyone supporting a state , a state that calls itself civilised and democratic, but systematically behaves with callous disregard for human life should be vilified.

      • Colonel Mustard

        Come off it. The Palestine thing is mostly rabid lefties with an over-developed outrage gland and a highly selective view of what constitutes a rogue state. Don’t see you protesting about North Korea. Oh, but of course, that does not call itself civilised and democratic so that’s ok then. Clever and careful use of words there to permit the left’s moral gymnastics.

        • AndyS10

          Thanks Col M! I am compiling a list of all the brutal dictators, terrorist organisations and civil/international wars which us Leftys need to have publicly condemned before we can in good conscience condemn the killing of hundreds of children by a democratic state. So far I had picked up ISIS, Noel Edmonds, Al Quieda, Hamas, Hezbollah, Assad, Iran, Libya, Virgin Media, Islam in toto, Charles Taylor and Jane Fonda but I had missed off good old Kim Yong, so thanks, he is now on the list.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            Well heck, as long as you’re keeping a list, you better add Hillary Clinton, Barry Obama

            • the viceroy’s gin

              Cheney, Blair, Cameron, Jack Straw, the Broun, the various recent French field marshal wannabes, the UN potentates

              • the viceroy’s gin

                we can expand on this if you need…

              • AndyS10

                Good ones – but what crime do you pin on Jack Straw?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …if you have to ask…

                • AndyS10

                  Humor a half brained lefty.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …there is no humor in half brained lefties, I find.

                • AndyS10

                  So you can’t tell me why Jack Staw should be on the list of international terrorists or cringe worthy light entertainers?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  I can tell you a lot of things, lad, but it’d be a waste of time. Scorn is what you types want, apparently.

                • AndyS10

                  And that is all you have to give apparently.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, I have more, but that’s what you want, apparently.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Note the prevalence of the “So,…?” gambit beloved of the comrades. They are more comfortable asking questions than answering them.

                • AndyS10

                  I find asking questions is a great way of learning. I genuinely wanted to know why Jack Straw made the list, but apparently it is a secret. If there is any question I have been asked which I have not answered, please point me to it.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Er, I didn’t put Jack Straw on the list although I think he is a skunk.

          • Colonel Mustard

            Why do you need to compile a list when you can whip up a Socialist Workers/UAF/All The Usual Suspects Rent-A-Mob in London in next to no time?

            And protesting on behalf of Hamas terrorists is not conditional on protesting against all the other terrorists first. The observation was simply that you don’t appear to protest about them at all.

            If you had half a brain you might realise that your comment pretty much confirms that!

            • AndyS10

              So do I need to publicly condemn the psychopathic regime in North Korea before I can legitimately object to a nation state with friendly relations with government killing hundreds of children or not? Make up your mind.

              And anyway, how would you know if I had protested North Korea before? Are you omniscient?

              • the viceroy’s gin

                Yes, you should have signed affidavits in triplicate from 6 witnesses that you protested against the Norks , and also you should deliver video evidence of same (undoctored DVD format, please).

                • AndyS10

                  LOL. I thought making jokes around here was against the terms of service at the Spectator.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …maybe you should try to make a joke sometime, and see for yourself. Being a lefty, you may have to take lessons to find out how.

              • Colonel Mustard

                That is for you to decide comrade. It’s no good trying to pin your moral compass on me.

                The question is why do you protest so vehemently on behalf of Hamas over Palestine but not a peep about the plight of the oppressed, incarcerated, tortured and murdered in North Korea (and other places)?

                • AndyS10

                  With respect, you are the one applying the moral standard here, namely that my (or anyone else s) objections to the slaughter of hundreds of civilians in Gaza is somehow unworthy or invalid or hypocritical because I have not, apparently, complained about NK? Not that you know whether I have complained about NK or ISIS or whatever.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Nope. I’m just observing that the passion with which the comrades protest on the streets of London on behalf of Hamas terrorists does not seem to be replicated against North Korea. Which seems odd if the slaughter of hundreds of civilians is abhorrent because North Korea has murdered thousands. Not in retaliation for terrorist attacks but just as part of its ongoing routine regime of oppression against its own people. But of course it is a communist state.

                  You might have complained about it but I’ve never seen a protest in London on the scale of the one for Hamas with the SWP participating.

                  And the “argument” you elaborate above is not mine but yours projected onto me.

                • you_kid

                  note the “on behalf of Hamas” gambit – it just does not work, that line.

                  In this day and age you will find it increasingly difficult to blow up 1000+ people and get away with it.

      • Curnonsky

        By your own logic, anyone supporting Hamas (as Ali assuredly does), a group that advocates strapping bombs to its own children, locates its military headquarters inside a hospital, indiscriminately fires missiles at civilian populations, prefers to build tunnels to carry out terror attacks over civilian bomb shelters and openly calls for killing Jews is – what?

        • AndyS10

          Presumably if you had been born in Palestine you would be a pacifist?

          • the viceroy’s gin

            …hmmmmm, so the choice is either to declare jihad on all Jews, build tunnels to fire rockets at innocent civilians… or be a pacifist? That it, lad?

            Sort of an extreme set of strawman choices you’ve set up, no?

            • AndyS10

              Care to add to the list of options then, or better yet tell me what you think you would do?

              I can tell you that is someone blows up my house, or kills my family or keeps me caged in my own country and then blockades it, I am going to be mightily miffed and if I have no legal recourse and if the international community sits on the side lines and sucks its teeth, I am probably going to consider taking up arms to fight for my own form of justice, no matter how misguided that might seem to the outside world. That does not require a lot of empathy, and listening to the number of concerned citizens on this blog lamenting the fact that the West is not taking the war to Islamic terrorists hard enough I suspect that many readers here would also take up arms if they were in that situation.

              • the viceroy’s gin

                No need for me to add options to the 2 extremes you’ve set up in your strawman, lad. It’s your strawman, afterall.

                Slaughter Jews or be a pacifist, is what you have on offer.

                You must be a lefty .

                • AndyS10

                  Now you are putting words in my mouth and at the same time refusing to state your own or any alternative position. Explaining that I can see why Palestinians might take up arms against Israel is not the same thing as saying that I support the slaughter of Jews.

                  That is a cowardly.misrepresentation. And I am not your lad, pops.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, nobody’s putting words in your mouth, lad, other than you.

                  The Israelis are attacking rocket firing islamofascist murderers, and you implied that for the islamofascist murderers, pacifism was the only other option.

                  It’s your strawman, lad, not anybody else’s.

                  And you might be my lad, lad.

                • AndyS10

                  It takes a lot of trolling practice to master the art of willful misconception and bad faith argument like you have here. I salute you.

                  You keep throwing rocks from behind the crowd – it is a lot safer than deciding and defending your own opinion.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …and you keep trolling your support for islamofascist murderers, lad.

          • Curnonsky

            Have you ever heard of a Palestinian pacifist? Where, pray tell, is the Palestinian equivalent to Peace Now?

            • AndyS10

              No, and that was rather my point – had I been born in Palestine in the last 50 years, I very much doubt I would be a pacifist and I doubt very much that anyone commenting on here would be either. And that was the question I asked you.

              • the viceroy’s gin

                It’s amusing your reintroducing your strawman, the one you whined about being exposed earlier.

                So let’s expose it again, laddie. You think the only 2 choices are to slaughter all the Jews or go pacifist.

                Nice strawman you got there, lad. Suitably extreme, suitably obtuse, it’s perfect. I doff my chapeau.

              • Curnonsky

                If you were a Palestinian with pacifist inclinations you would quickly find your head rolling around in the dust.

      • stephen rothbart

        Yes if it did it should. But Israel has behaved more decently than any other army in the world. There are many stories of bombing attacks being aborted by the pilots because they see civilian casualties being the probability of the attack.

        They warn people to leave their homes where an attack will take place, and this gives Hamas an advantage to set up and try to defend it. Sadly Hamas controlled TV warns Gazans not to listen to this advice, because it wants these casualties.

        Your righteous anger is misdirected, sadly. Perhaps you are unaware that all international reporting coming out of Gaza is censored by Hamas.

      • wudyermucuss

        He is stunningly predictable in his selection of what offends his character.
        As are you.

  • Shazza

    If any of the other players had wristbands which stated ‘I stand with Israel’ they would have been suspended.

    Once again we have double standards.
    A baker refuses to make a ‘gay’ cake and faces prosecution.
    Moslem Tesco worker refuses to serve customer who has pork and wine – no problem.

    BTW Politics should have no place in sport.

    • Alexsandr

      nor religion.

      • Shazza

        Agree.

    • laurence

      Exactly, Shazza. Had the wristband been in support of Israel, the clamour for his public evisceration would have been immense. As the Guardianistas have it, ‘comment is free’, provided, of course, it is comment we agree with.

      • statechaos

        I had my comments removed on Cif when I said that Hamas hates the Israelis more than it loves the Palestinian people.

    • JB_1966

      The one-rule-for-them policy will result in a catastrophe for this country within a couple of decades.

      • Shazza

        I sincerely believe, and I do not say this lightly, that the UK will be an islamic state within 30 years.

        The writing is on the wall and the apathetic indigenous British people are too lazy to read it.
        Far better to worry about the really important things in life like football, Corrie, X Factor, Colleen Rooney’s lost luggage and what happened in East Enders last night.

        • JB_1966

          I agree. And moreover the ruling & media classes seem intent upon committing us to such an outcome.

          I suppose the left are still hoping that things will get so bad that they can have their revolution. Do you think they will realise that it will be a right-wing, patriarchal, misogynist, racist, theocratic revolution they are gonna get in time to stop it or will they just join in? A minimum of half the lefties I know are that way because they are simply nutters who can’t tolerate different points of view and Islam is in accord with them in that at least.

          • Shazza

            Ah the irony, the Peter Tatchells, Hattie Harpicpersons, liberal Leftie Jews, BBC/MSM leftie journos, et al will all be facing cranes, freedom sacks, FGM, crucifixion, amputations and all the other horrors that the RoP inflicts wherever it is allowed to rule.

            • JB_1966

              Crucifixion is a rather neo-Islamic practice, no? How charming! Thing is, I’ll be allowed to convert and my wife is rather looking forward to some younger wives who can do the housework whilst we sip sweet tea in our dotage. And that is really no joke.

    • Gwangi

      Indeed. and we already have male Muslims employed in local councils who refuse to shake the hands of anyone of women, and female Muslims who come to work wearing black tents, then demand everyone gives up space so they can have an exclusive prayer room – and one which bans non-Muslims usually.
      Oh the hypocrisy of the hand-wringing middle classes… Anyone with a brown skin and a religion who behaves in a bigoted, hateful, nasty and discriminatory way should always be defended because they are doing so IN THE NAME OF THEIR CULTURE and religion.
      That is the opposite of equal treatment for all.
      I do wonder however what Tesco would do if a Muslim worker refused to sell a gay cake to a pig?

  • Alexsandr

    he should have been told to take them off or go home, just like any other person in a place of work.
    I am sure many were attending a cricket match who would find his action offensive and divisive.

    • Alexsandr

      Also where is his protest against the ISIS atrocities in Syria and Iraq?

      • Shazza

        He could not protest against ISIS as that would by hypocritical.

        After all, ISIS and Hamas are affiliated so logically, if he supports Hamas, he supports ISIS.

        • artemis in france

          He’s wearing an ISIS beard isn’t he?

      • Anonymous

        People don’t have to specifically condemn ISIS, Boko Haram et al. in order for other to assume that they are not sympathisers. It’s not like many people are openly endorsing ISIS in this country. I’ve never heard Noel Edmonds condemn malaria, but I don’t therefore assume that he thinks malaria is great.

        • Baron

          That’s logically totally incoherent, Anonymous, the analogy between the two, you should think again, and only then speak.

          • AndyS10

            But how do we know that Noel Edmonds is not a secret supporter of Malaria? Or that his beard is not, in fact, an ISIS beard? OMFG Noel Edmonds is a secret ISIS agent who is going to kill us all with Malaria!!!! WAKE UP PEOPLE.

            • the viceroy’s gin

              Not likely, but the islamofascists are definitely a threat to kill whoever they take a notion to kill, as we see.

      • Ricky Strong

        From what I see if muslims kill muslims then that is okay, it’s only when a kuffar kills a muslim that they get upset. They are the essence of hypocrisy.

      • AndyS10

        Are you comparing the actions of the Israeli government in Gaza to those of the international terrorist organisation ISIS?

        • the viceroy’s gin

          …no, that would be you doing that, lad.

    • Wessex Man

      So you condone the Tank Bombardment of yet another UN school with the loss 15 innocents last night.

      The usual ‘Iraeli Massive Names’ seeking to paint Israel as a nation battling daily against those wicked women and children agressors in Gaza!

      Your names can always be assured to jump into anything mentioning Israel on this site!

      • wudyermucuss

        UN school = rocket launch site/weapons storage.

        “women and children” –
        You forgot the disabled.
        Because,as we all know,Gaza contains only women,children,and some disabled.
        Apparently,virtually no men,and certainly no,you know,fighters,Hamas terrorists.
        The rockets probably self launch,and the miles long tunnels build themselves.

        • AndyS10

          So you agree then, that the responsibility for the deaths of hundreds of children lies purely with Hamas and that Israel should kill as many civilians as it has to in order to stop the rocket attacks? Regrettable, but acceptable collateral damage?

          • the viceroy’s gin

            Hamas should pull back the civilians from the targeted sites.

            Israel should stop Hamas from firing volleys of rockets at its civilians.

            • AndyS10

              Should/Would/Could are not acceptable right now. I hear lots of defenders of Israels actions but no one quite prepared to step up and say that the killing of hundreds of kids is necessary and justified for Israel’s security.

              Gaza has a population of 1.8 million in a plot of land 7 miles by 32 miles. So good luck to anyone trying to find a plot that isn’t near to civilians.

              If Hamas stated that it wasn’t firing rockets indiscriminately but was in fact attempting to strike the HQ of the Israeli military in Tel Aviv, a densely populated civilian area they would be still be guilty of war crimes,given that their rockets are in fact falling all over the place and killing civilians. Why does this not apply to the IDF?

              • the viceroy’s gin

                No need to read beyond your first sentence, lad. You make it clear you’re not interested in anything but broadcasting propaganda.

              • Dutchnick

                Well that is about the size of the Isle of Wight. If Hamas was rocketing Yarmouth I could move to Shanklin far enough away to be safe. No if I was a free thinking citizen of Gaza I would want Hamas to stop bringing this rain of death and destruction by stopping firing rockets. The fact that Hamas’s rockets are so feeble shows how futile there efforts are and how it is a propaganda exercise, it works listen to the BBC.

        • Dutchnick

          Also it is an amazing fact that on death the Hamas terrorists become civilians. So in my books the deaths reported need further clarification.

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