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Ed Miliband stakes all on his ‘big choice’

25 July 2014

25 July 2014

Labour will launch its summer campaign later today. The centre-piece is Ed Miliband’s speech. He will present a ‘big choice’ to the British public, arguing that they cannot afford 5 more years of Conservative rule. Miliband’s argument is simple: the economy is broken, only we can fix it; the NHS is threatened, only we can save it; the Tories represent the few, only we care for the many.

You will have heard these mantras many times before; but, this time, the presentation is different. The speech bears the mark of David Axelrod, who is busy ‘reframing’ Ed Miliband as an honest yeoman of the shires rather than a metropolitan oddball. Rafael Behr of the Guardian has an extensive account of this ‘reframing’ effort. To summarise; Miliband has to empathise with the common man because this is his one advantage over snooty David Cameron. Justine Thornton, Mr Miliband’s brilliant but unassuming spouse, has been on the campaign trail this week spreading the good news about Ed.

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Despite the still audible reservations about Miliband’s leadership, the shadow cabinet is putting aside childish things to concentrate its efforts for him; a dozen of them will deliver speeches throughout August. Not everyone is on board: Ed Balls has a piece in the Guardian which fails to mention Miliband. But you get the picture.

Yet this endeavour is not taking place in a vacuum. The latest figures from the IMF show that Britain is among the fastest growing economies on the planet, including developing economies. There’s more good news this morning: RBS has announced profits of £2.6bn for the first half this year. The bank cited rapid growth in the UK economy as a cause for its marked performance after years of catastrophe. The Tories are crowing about the success of their ‘long-term economic plan’.

These facts make Labour’s task doubly difficult because it limits the force of its argument on the economy. But there is an opportunity for Labour to turn the latest figures to its advantage. GDP has outgrown its pre-crisis peak; but, GDP per capita remains below par. Wages, meanwhile, are stubbornly flat. This helps Labour. But that help is not indefinite. The Institute of Directors is the latest business organisation to report that a majority of employers expect wages to rise, at least in line with inflation, over the next year.

While the economy continues to go ‘gangbusters’, the Tories will thwart the ‘reframing’ of Ed Miliband. CCHQ’s attack dogs will paint Miliband as an incompetent geek who wrecked the economy in 2007, was wrong about the recovery and is a threat to your future. A less cruel version of that demolition would be: Ed’s heart is in the right place, what about his head?


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  • Conway

    But there is an opportunity for Labour to turn the latest figures to its
    advantage. GDP has outgrown its pre-crisis peak; but, GDP per capita
    remains below par. Wages, meanwhile, are stubbornly flat.
    ” And why would per capita GDP remain below par and wages remain flat? Couldn’t have anything to do with the way the country was flooded with cheap labour by Ed’s party when he was in government, could it?

  • Conway

    Miliband has to empathise with the common man because this is his one advantage over snooty David Cameron.” Because Ed didn’t have a privileged upbringing at all, did he? PPE at Oxford, hardly short of a bob or two, never had a proper job – just the ticket to “empathise with the common man”.

  • Conway

    … busy ‘reframing’ Ed Miliband as an honest yeoman of the shires rather than a metropolitan oddball” Trouble is, Ed is a metropolitan oddball. I doubt he’d know a shire if he tripped over one. You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

  • Conway

    … the economy is broken, only we can fix it; the NHS is threatened, only
    we can save it; the Tories represent the few, only we care for the many
    ” The economy finally seems to be recovering from the 13 disastrous years when Labour had its grubby fingers on the levers of power. The NHS had loads of money chucked at it (not to mention all that PFI) which doesn’t seem to have improved it much. Labour represents the many whom they attracted to these shores in order to rub the noses of the right in diversity. We, the indigenous, have not been enriched.

  • Smithersjones2013

    The speech bears the mark of David Axelrod, who is busy ‘reframing’ Ed
    Miliband as an honest yeoman of the shires rather than a metropolitan
    oddball

    Hahahahaha Whohoohoohoohoohoo heheeheeheeheehee hahaahaahaaha

    ROTFLMFAO

    Oh God Axelrod is even more insane than British Lefties. Does he seriously think the British people are that stupid. Revoke his work visa and pack him off back to Washington for being so insulting to the British electorate! Either that or off to the funny farm with him. Without doubt his chickens have come home to roost (between his ears by this account)!

  • rtj1211

    Ed Miliband’s championing of the Climate Change Act will go down in history as a benchmark in how to take from the poor and give to the rich.

    I’m amazed anyone targeting the vote of the soft underbelly hasn’t already made hay pointing this out……..

  • CharlietheChump

    If either Millband smelt a shire they would wrinkle their noses and turn away.

    Reframing easily countered by re-publishing all of Ed’s turgid metro-socio-politico-marxist “analysis” and asking the voters “what does this mean to you”?

  • Barakzai

    ‘Big Choice?’

    Claptrap. ‘Choice’ isn’t in the Socialist lexicon. ‘Big Lie’ more like, as is customary with all socialists . . .

  • global city

    The Climate Change Bill is potentially the biggest free kicking any party has ever had to wipe out their opposition……but!

    ‘Greenest government ever’

  • HookesLaw

    Not another Labour leader who has to rely on his wife to tell us he is ‘normal’? If Ed wants to keep his family out of politics he should tell her to shut up.
    The Labour message is the same as I have been hearing for over 50 years, its hardly needed an imported American guru to recreate it. Its as still a Big Lie as opposed to a Big Choice now as then. Vote labour (and/or campaign so as to get them elected) and make a Big Mistake.
    (I gift the ‘Big Mistake’ slogan to the tories free of charge)

    • Mynydd

      At least he doesn’t fight with his wife over the TV remote control.

      • Inverted Meniscus

        No he’s far too busy dreaming up new lies.

      • Holly

        She probably doesn’t trust him with it….A wise lass.

  • AdemAljo

    I live for the moment Ed Miliband learns he’s eaten his last bacon thandwich.

    • Holly

      Sounds like Miliband’s seat is ‘shaky’.
      UKIP holding their conference in Doncaster I think….Should be fun.

  • AdH2011

    Miliband is hardly some normal working class bloke – his background is as bad as Cameron’s when it comes to ‘real life’ experience outside of the Westminster bubble. He’s lucky he’s up against a ‘Lord Snooty’ Tory rather than some of their more down to earth politicians else I suspect his ratings would be even worse.

    As it happens, things are so skewed in Labour’s favour that it probably won’t matter – they only need around 33-34% and a minor split of the right wing vote to end up with a majority.

    • Mynydd

      Mr Cameron’s share of those eligible to vote was a massive 23%, yet he has been in power for four years.
      There as already been a split in the right wing vote, Mr Cameron’s Conservative party as already lost over half its members.

      • Alexsandr

        and labour voters decamping to Ukip. Look at rotherham.

        • Mynydd

          I must have missed it, please confirm that the MP for Rotherham is a member of UKIP.

          • Alexsandr

            look at the may election results for rotherham council.

      • Holly

        You do not have to be a member of a political party to vote for them.
        You see this may amaze you, but unlike Labour politicians, sensible people make sensible choices, during the clean-up of yet another Labour induced economic wreck.

        So membership of political parties, magazine subscriptions, etc get cancelled.

      • Colonel Mustard

        “Those eligible to vote ” is typical Labour smoke and mirrors. It was 36.1% of those who did vote, 7% more than Labour and in the Coalition representing 59% of voters.

        However that extra 7% achieved only 49 more seats than Labour. Whereas in the previous election Labour’s measly 2.8% lead won them 157 more seats.

        The whole process is RIGGED to Labour’s advantage and you should be ashamed of yourself.

  • swatnan

    his head is probably tucked under his arm

  • alabenn

    This is laughable, Miliband a man of the people, that they are trying to cast this creature in that light, indicates collective madness in the party.
    That they choose words like Big Choice as opposed to Big Society both meaningless fluff, both espoused by vacuous brain dead PPE cyphers.
    Is this the best the countries political elites can come up with, copying failure is the ultimate insult to the intelligence of the electorate.
    If it works, it will be proof positive that Labours dumbing down of education is now a tumour deep into the body of society, probably inoperable.

    • Alexsandr

      yeah but have to vote labur cos of facha init.

    • Cooper1992

      Why can’t the Labour Party even come up with original slogans?? Obviously they have no actual real content, but you’d think they would be good at the slogans….

      One Nation – Copied from Mr Disraeli
      Big Choice – Copied from Mr Cameron (‘Big Society’)
      Cost-of-living-crisis – Copied from Mr Wilson

      • telemachus

        Your next complaint in 2020 will be PM Miliband saying “You Never Had it so Good”
        *
        With very good cause

        • Inverted Meniscus

          Will we still have elections by then or will he have abolished them in favour of a one party state in memory of his treacherous father?

  • Alexsandr

    who cares what this useless buffoon and his useless henchmen think. Everyone knows they caused the current crisis. so why would anyone in their right mind vote for them again.
    Anyway, Labours nemesis will not be the tories, but UKIP

    • telemachus

      You should care
      Ed and his team will take you forward to the roaring twenties
      *
      Anyway you actually understand the role of UKIP to be the deprivation of 43 Tory marginal to the current incumbents

      • Alexsandr
        • telemachus

          Good that you should draw attention to that
          These events at the height of UKIP fever before folks began to think of health schools pensions and all the other real issues

          • Alexsandr

            health -stafford
            schools. – the clusterf*ck caused by labours multicult pc rubbish in Brum
            pensions -who is who stole from our pensions and wrecked the pensions industry?
            fuel poverty – oh that has been made worse by millipedes climate change act.

          • Hexhamgeezer

            Thanks for the opportunity to keep reminding folk about ‘Bed Clearer’ Burnham. ‘NHS – Safe In Our Unions’ Hands’

            • Inverted Meniscus

              And he still sits in Parliament rather than Wandsworth where he belongs.

          • Conway

            UKIP won a seat in Doncaster last night – prime Labour territory.

  • toco10

    The British people cannot afford one more day of a Labour administration.Why on earth should we ever trust Labour again with the financial management of the UK.Red Ed has never had a job in the real world and should keep well away from hard working people who have to put food on the table for themselves and their families.As a multi millionaire Red Ed has no personal financial worries but he certainly worries me.

    • telemachus

      You should have no worries about financial management of the UK by Labour
      *
      Their management for 10 years was astonishing from 1997 and gave the longest greatest period of prosperity for a Century
      Like the rest of the world we suffered the effects of the American Sub-Prime triggered recession
      But make no mistake the recovery from that and the rescue of the world’s banks was due to the genius of Gordon Brown

      • Ron Todd

        A borrow and spend bubble, wages kept low by mass immigration Mid Staff demonstrating how well labour runs the NHS with more to come in Wales. Sorry there is no money left was about the one truthful thing they said in office.

        • telemachus

          Not borrow and spend
          It may have escaped your attention that the roaring economy under Gordon brought in record tax receipts that allowed him to drag Education and Health from the 1997 nadir to new heights

          • GnosticBrian

            Government borrowing is a tax on future generations who have to pick up the tab for today’s profligacy.

            • telemachus

              Up to point
              I hear some say that we, like Norway should have invested rather than spent the North Sea Oil revenues
              But life is not like that and the UK would have collapsed
              We absolutely do not know what is around the corner and have to live now

              • GnosticBrian

                You selfish old ******. Live beyond our means now and get our grandchildren to pick up the tab. Typical socialist.

            • Mynydd

              Please tell that to Mr Cameron/Osborne, because, they have borrowed more in 4 years, than Mr Blair/Brown borrowed in 13 years. This is so because Mr Cameron/Osborne have failed to deliver on their first 5 year plan to balance the books, during the life of this parliament. Now we have their second five year plan, based on even more borrowing, to be paid for by future generations. Stalin also had five year plans that kept on failing.
              Profligacy is cutting the income tax bill to those earning over £150,000.

              • Inverted Meniscus

                Are you suggesting that Borrowing would have declined under Labour? That would be a truly spectacular lie for us all to enjoy.

                • Mynydd

                  I am not suggesting anything, just stating the facts.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  A typically dishonest answer. Labour bequeathed a £168 billion structural deficit and a 7.4% contraction of the economy. Only the most swingeing of cuts could have prevented a rise in borrowing and Labour’s programme of cuts was marginally more pathetic than the Coalition’s and thus borrowing would inevitably have risen more under Labour because they would not even have enforced the minor cuts they proposed. Indeed they have opposed every last cut introduced by the coalition. So stop this disingenuous and dishonest propagandising for the Labour Party.

                • Mynydd

                  Mr Brown/Darling’s programme of cuts was to balance the books over two parliaments to avoid cutting off GDP growth which was at Q2 2010 was only 1%. However Mr Cameron/Osborne not to be undone planned to balance the books over one parliament result that four long years later GDP growth for Q2 2014 is 0.8%. Also during these four years there have been four quarters when the GDP growth was negative, that is, the economy was in decline, and we lost our AAA rating.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  All thanks to the swine Gordon Brown.

              • HookesLaw

                Labour left a deficit of 160 billion and spending out of control and a ruined economy with productive capacity permanently shrivelled by 7%. Brown and Labour ran deficits, before the crash, even with growth so its absurd to expect that massive deficit to be instantly wiped out.
                Your words are just a pack of lies.

                As for tax – you are totally thick. Top rate is still higher than Brown saw fit to tax throughout 13 years of misrule.

                • Mynydd

                  This years deficit will be of the order of £100bn, so Mr Cameron/Osborne still have a huge job in cutting spending to eliminate the deficit by the end of this parliament.
                  I agree my words about Stalin were a pack of lies, he eventually got one to work. There again he killed off the opposition so there was no one to put the facts to the general public.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Learn the difference between a deficit and a structural deficit you idiot.

                • Mynydd

                  Tell that to Mr Cameron/Osborne his plan was to balance the books. He did not say deficit or structural deficit. In reality it makes no difference because he wont eliminate either.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Are you implying that Labour would heave cleared Brown’s structural deficit? Now that really would be a spectacular lie.

              • GnosticBrian

                Cameron and Osborne were left the worst economic legacy ever (as admitted in Liam’s famous note) and are (slowly) growing us out of Gordon Brown’s mess. Brown inherited a golden legacy and squandered it (as every socialist regime has done before). As long as Brown followed the Tory spending plans, all was well. When he decided to roll his own, it went pear shaped.

                Incidentally, if you are close to the economic genius that is Brown, can you tell us why he dropped his pledge to abolish the non-dom tax break? Would it have hit too many Labour doners?

          • HookesLaw

            No
            After Brown stopped following tory spending plans he ran deficits despite growth. As I recall he ran deficits totalling over £200 billion even before the financial crash. At that time he should have been paying off debt. So really spending (and debt) should have been some 400 billion lower if he was interested in sound economic management.
            Your words expose totally what an economic moron Brown was and the scale of his borrow and spend policies.

          • Harold Angryperson

            Oh dear, the Chief Turd Polisher is having to work overtime today :)

            • telemachus

              “A choice between a Labour government that believes the way a country succeeds is with the talents of all or a Tory government that thinks the only people who create wealth are those at the top.

              “A choice between a Labour government that will build our country so that it works for ordinary families once again or a Tory government that will look after only the few.”

              • global city

                Ordinary people are sick of being ran by the State, for the State.

              • Harold Angryperson

                That’s it, get some Mr Sheen on it!

          • HookesLaw

            Brown ran deficits which means his spending could not be sustained by revenues.

            • telemachus

              So
              Why not
              Tell me you as a person did not benefit

              • Alexsandr

                do you not weep for your children and grandchildren saddled with this debt from before they were born?

              • rtj1211

                Do you get your wife pregnant 4 times then, when she’s late 30s say: ‘It was a good ride whilst it lasted, now you face the consequences alone. I’m eloping with a ditzy 24 year old!’?

            • Mynydd

              Thatcher ran deficits which means her spending could not be sustained by revenues even with the massive petroleum revenue taxes from the North Sea. There again 4 million unemployed are expansive for any government.

              • Inverted Meniscus

                Got you briefing early from the liars at Labour HQ today? Pity it’s all illiterate rubbish.

                • Mynydd

                  Check the figures, Petroleum Revenue Tax = Unemployment benefits.

          • Bert

            Roaring economy = inflationary bubble induced by borrowing for massive public spending, high benefits, cheap labour from mass immigration and out of control PFI contracts.
            Education did not hit new heights under labour, they merely made tests easier to pass.
            Health under Labour gave a blank cheque to GP’s whilst allowing the crime of MId Staffs.

          • Hexhamgeezer

            Sandcastles built on sand.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Yes run that past the 1,200 people who died unnecessarily at Mid Staffs. Oh you can’t can you.

          • Ron Todd

            Midd staffs a new hight?

          • uberwest

            Heights of lunacy, yes.

            The fat one eyed imbecile certainly taxed the crap out of us, but at the same time he spent 500 billion on astoundingly poor value PPP deals. And what do we have to show for all that money? Probably the worst, most expensive and most overcrowded healthcare and education systems in the developed world.

      • Adam

        “Their management for 10 years was astonishing”

        Astonishingly bad.

        • telemachus

          . Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.

          2. Low mortgage rates.

          3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.

          4. Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.

          5. Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.

          6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.

          7. Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18.

          8. Funding for every pupil in England has doubled.

          9. Employment is at its highest level ever.

          10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries.

          11. 85,000 more nurses.

          12. 32,000 more doctors.

          13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards.

          14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.

          15. Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.

          16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time.

          17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.

          18. Gift aid was worth £828 million to charities last year.

          19. Restored city-wide government to London.

          20. Record number of students in higher education.

          21. Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997.

          22. Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.

          23. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission.

          24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s.

          25. On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

          26. Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.

          27. Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants.

          28. All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday.

          29. A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.

          30. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.

          31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.

          32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships.

          33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard.

          34. Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997.

          35. Banned fox hunting.

          36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.

          37. Free TV licences for over-75s.

          38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.

          39. Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.

          40. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.

          41. New Deal – helped over 1.8 million people into work.

          42. Over 3 million child trust funds have been started.

          43. Free eye test for over 60s.

          44. More than doubled the number of apprenticeships.

          45. Free entry to national museums and galleries.

          46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled.

          47. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.

          48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent.

          49. Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds.

          50. Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school.

          • HookesLaw

            Dummy – they inherited several years of growth.
            As for spending – we can all spend if we can borrow in unlimited quantities. Labours spending was based on an economy which constantly refused to raise the necessary revenues. It ran deficits instead of paying off debt. That borrowing that deficit was structural – not cyclical. It was rank bad economic management.

          • Harold Angryperson

            £5.52! Mr Ambassador, you spoil us…

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Did mr Ed give you this pile of horsesh*t himself?

          • Alexsandr

            all paid for by borrowing off future generations. mostly off the balance sheet and hidden in stuff like PFI.
            Anyone can generate growth by borrowing. and kicking the repayments down the road.

      • Inverted Meniscus

        I am utterly sick to death of your lies. Repeating them over and over again ad nauseum does not make them true. The sub prime crisis did not blow in from America because it was centred here in London where the lax Brown/Balls banking regulatory environment allowed ill conceived securitisation transactions to be written. This was a problem of Labour’s making . As for the ludicrous claims of prosperity, most educated people recognise that this was an illusion built on a massive private and public sector credit bubble created by Brown keeping interest rates artificially low. The swine also destroyed private sector pension fund. Another crime for which that swine should be facing charges of gross financial mismanagement.

        • telemachus

          A very jaundiced view of history
          Please read- Beyond the Crash: Overcoming the First Crisis of Globalisation

          • Inverted Meniscus

            No just an inconveniently accurate one for Labour scum like yourself.

          • Bert

            By Gordon Brown.
            Would’nt use it for toilet paper.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Why? Nobody else read that pile of self aggrandising bollux.

          • Holly

            Why read it when we are living it.

          • Alexsandr

            available in all branches of the works @ £2.99. I could do with one to replace the broken leg on my sofa. F*ck all good for anything else.

            • Inverted Meniscus

              Toilet paper? No. Don’t know what you might catch.

        • HookesLaw

          here I must agree with you and the collapse of private sector pensions is again something we all too easily forget. it was a consequence of Brown pretending there was free money to steal.

          All Labour’s policies revolve around this – ”come up and buy this free money off us”.

        • Mynydd

          Just a small point, indeed a fact, but there again it seems you like Mr Cameron don’t do facts. Before the world wide financial crisis it was the Conservative policy to reduce the banking regulations, see the policy document written by right wing Conservative MP Mr John Redwood.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Hilarious coming from a Labour troll. The conservatives favoured lighter regulation with the BOE in a central role not the ineffective legislation introduced by Brown and Ballswhich produced the first banking failure (Northern Rock) in 147 years. You really are a hopeless oaf.

            • Alexsandr

              the stupid triparate regulation was a major cause. Having 3 bodies responsible meant each thought the other was looking after stuff. Quite why it could not have been left with the B0E is beyond me.

              • Inverted Meniscus

                Yes the classic example of falling between two, or in that case three, stools. It is what happens when incompetent morons with a political, rather than practical agenda design a regulatory system. Brown’s primary motivation was to create a regulatory system that would leave what he saw as ‘the old school tie brigade’ disgruntled rather than create something effective. Hate determined every decision that arrogant, incompetent, bullying coward pretended to take.

            • Mynydd

              Reduction in regulation is a reduction in regulation, no matter who oversee it. Under the Conservatives the body charged with controlling the banks would have had less regulations at their command.

              • Inverted Meniscus

                No it is not you ignorant little man. Lower levels of banking regulation can still be effectivee if sensible, experienced people are the regulators. That swine Brown effectively excluded the BOE from banking regulation and the consequences are there for all to see. But you keep on trolling for Labour and spreading their lies.

    • HookesLaw

      And the only way to keep Labour out is to vote tory. On top of which we will get a referendum on the EU. This issue needs to be brought to a head and it will be in 2017. The fact that UKIP will not campaign on a referendum exposes their hypocrisy and the Big Lie at the heart of them.

      • Mynydd

        Mr Cameron as failed again in Europe to get a simple agreement on Russian sanctions, yet you still believe he will be able get agreement on fundamentally reform of the EU in just two years. Dream on.

        • Alexsandr

          zde EU vill do vot frau frump says. and the frau vill do vot is best for chermany. She wont upset ze ruskies cos chermany needs ze russian gaz.

        • Inverted Meniscus

          Labour Troll. Just ignore this idiot.

          • Holly

            Twitter is all over Ed ‘not liking photo ops’, and his search for yet another image guru to…erm…improve his image.
            Maybe the reaction to his photo op with Obama was not what he expected eh?
            Sad, little, idiot boy.

            • Alexsandr

              maybe he should wear a burqua.

              • Inverted Meniscus

                Yeah the ‘bacon buttie bungler looks a berk in his burqua’.

        • Holly

          Which only goes to show our EU membership is bad for Britain, and it is the public efforts (however bogus) that is turning more and more people to the ‘OUT’ camp.
          Gloat all you like, but Europe acting like they always do will do Cameron less harm than you think.
          Long may it continue.

          • Mynydd

            I have never said weather EU membership is good or bad because as of now I don’t have enough information to make up my mind. What I do know is that the most simple thing take more than two year for the member states to come to a agreement.
            When the country was faced with the decision on membership or not of the Euro, Mr Blair/Brown laid out before us a series of tests to determine if it was in our interest to join or not. The results of these test were published, with the UK not joining.
            I now await Mr Cameron to publishing a detailed list of those aspects to be reformed, then after the two years publish the results, we then can make up our own minds.

          • Conway

            I think the EU (rather than Europe) acting as they always do will show Cameron up for the lightweight he really is. They will conclusively prove that, contrary to Cameron’s assertions, we have no influence in the EU, that any chance of renegotiation is a complete non-starter and that the only way to thrive is to leave, which Dave has repeatedly said he doesn’t want to do.

      • Conway

        The only way to keep Labour (and Dave’s Labour-lite non-conservatives) out is to vote UKIP in sufficient numbers. If you think we’ll get a referendum on the EU, I have a bridge to sell you.

    • Mynydd

      My job in the real world was in construction, so please make me Prime Minister, because I know when the plan is not working, which is one up on Mr Cameron.

      • Inverted Meniscus

        Construction. That means this idiot once owned some Lego bricks.

        • rtj1211

          And you ran the State of Bavaria, did you?!

          • Inverted Meniscus

            What’s this lad? One socialist nutter showing solidarity with another socialist nutter? Do you ever tire of wasting other people’s money ?

        • Mynydd

          No I owned my own company working world wide. What have you done?.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            And yet you are forever moaning that your savings pay you squat and can’t make ends meet. So not much of a company was it? Oh and I could buy and sell and idiot like you with pocket change.

          • Colonel Mustard

            And yet still you can’t spell.

            • Mynydd

              But I made money and a lot of it.

              • Colonel Mustard

                Says the tribal socialist.

      • Alexsandr

        plenty going on round here. and in the cities. Seen New St station recently? or perhaps you could get a job on the Norton Bridge rail flyover due to start soon. Or the Toll Bar Island underpass in Cov.

  • Colonel Mustard

    Come off it Ed. You are about as far from being an “honest yeoman of the shires” as far can be. John Bull (remember him?) you are not. You are not even English but a second generation immigrant from a privileged, urban background with a political antecedence of East European communism that couldn’t be less English. Trying to cast yourself as the opposite to Cameron is ridiculous when you share the same privileged, parent cushioned, PPE wonk, “not what you know but who you know”, safe seat parachuting from real life.

    Even without the obvious fabrication the “honest” bit is a real hoot when you haven’t even owned up to your participation in New Labour’s disastrous record.

    I just hope your ‘Big Choice’ attracts as much scorn as Cameron’s ‘Big Society’. It deserves it. You are like Jerry Lewis attempting a serious part. You even look like him.

  • LadyDingDong

    What a persuasive argument. I shall forget that GDP per capita is lower because of the influx of millions of low it non earning immigrants, and

    • telemachus

      Sarcasm ill becomes you
      This is deadly serious
      Much more of the for-us-and-ours Osbornism and there could be riots on the streets
      Society actually wishes to care for the soft underbelly

      • Hexhamgeezer

        Society may but you don’t hence your ‘care pathway’ death projects and deliberately p!$$poor cancer diagnoses.

      • Alexsandr

        if there are riots it will be against the uncontrolled immigration and the effects on our culture, and the dangers from certain religious nutters.

    • HookesLaw

      GDP per capita continued to rise along with ‘normal’ GDP

    • Mynydd

      What I worry about is my family’s disposable income, not yours. My wife and I worked and saved to have a little extra when we retired. So what happened, due to Mr Cameron/Osborne’s policies the interest on our life long savings as been, and still is, lower than the rate of inflation. This as reduced our income over the last four years. We can never recover this lost income. We have paid each and every month for Mr Cameron/Osborne’s failed policies.

      • Inverted Meniscus

        Interest rates came down to virtually zero under Labour you trolling idiot.

        • Mynydd

          That was five years ago tell me why they are still at 0.5%/

          • Inverted Meniscus

            We are trying to revive an economy flattened by a swine called Gordon Brown.

            • Mynydd

              Not trying very hard are you.

              • Inverted Meniscus

                Read a newspaper or watch the news; Britain is the fastest growing economy in the western World and due to overtake France by 2020 in overall size. No thanks to leftist scum like yourself.

                • Mynydd

                  I was on the motorway the other day doing 60mph, another car overtook me at speed that looked about 80mph. So he was travelling faster than me. I don’t know why, but he started to slow down to about 30mph, I also slowed down 40mph. This means at that moment I was the faster car, even though I had slowed down, only because he had slowed down more than I did.

                • Mynydd

                  A couple of days ago I was on the M4 travelling at 60mph, a car overtook me, therefore he was running faster than me. A little later I slowed to 40mph however the other car slowed to 30mph which resulted in me going faster than it, even though I was travelling slower than my original speed. Just for you this is how you should judge statements on the fastest growing economy in the western World. It’s not only based on what you are doing, it’s also based on what others are doing.

      • rtj1211

        Investment in rental property would have yielded you 5 – 10% depending on investments chosen.

        If you leave your money in the bank and blame everyone else for not managing your money effectively, that’s your choice.

        There were better options available for you……..

        • Alexsandr

          or peer to peer lending.

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