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Ed Miliband needs to mix things up to avoid Cameron’s PMQs attacks

9 July 2014

1:37 PM

9 July 2014

1:37 PM

Ed Miliband’s first few questions to David Cameron today were about the various inquiries into child abuse. Miliband wasn’t interested in creating controversy: he didn’t ask about whether Lady Butler-Sloss was the right person to run the inquiry given that her late brother was Attorney General when Geoffrey Dickens handed his file to the Home Secretary. But then Miliband turned to the NHS and the atmosphere in the House flipped.

Cameron defiantly defended his use of statistics from last week. But it was once Miliband had asked his last question that Cameron went into full attack mode. He started denouncing Labour and Andy Burnham for Mid Staffs; the frequency with which he now does this is a belated recognition that it was a political mistake to absolve them of blame for it on the day that the Francis Report came out. He then turned to Miliband denouncing him as not up to the job. It might have been fairly simplistic stuff but the Tory benches loved it and Labour MPs shifted uneasily in their seats during it. This sixth question attack is becoming such a feature of Cameron’s pefromances that Miliband really should mix things up, occasionally only asking five questions.​

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  • jesseventura2

    Bean and Balls up are never going back to downing street.
    No country in the world would elect such stupid looking and sounding nutters.

  • Terence Hale

    BeEded again by the PM. Mr. Cameron should come clean over the Westminster paedophile ring and sacrifice a few buddies to avoid a “Pauschale” incrimination.

  • @PhilKean1

    And on Cameron’s decision to allow his Ministers to sign up to EU Crime and Justice legislation.

    Cameron said – ” we have taken precautions to make sure no-one can be arrested for something that isn’t a crime in the UK “.

    He just hasn’t a clue about how ordinary people live and the threats we face.

    The British nationals who have been snatched under the EU’s extraordinary rendition warrant have been taken for allegedly committing crimes that ARE illegal in the EU.

    Take the case of the man who was walking back to his hotel, TEN YEARS AGO, when he was attacked and arrested by Portuguese riot police because they thought he was a football hooligan. Last week, Portugal notified UK authorities that they are prosecuting him and so are wanting him arrested.

    Take the case of the numerous British nationals who it has been alleged have committed minor traffic offences, non arrestable in the UK.
    And some of those people were never even in the country seeking their arrest due to being victims of mistaken and stolen identity.

    Honestly, aside the principle that it British Governments have a duty of responsibility for their citizens, Cameron just has no idea, or care – it seems – that the EU’s arrest warrant can cause British nationals untold misery, financial hardship, loss of employment, and even marriage break-up – while they rot in European prisons for months awaiting trial.

    • realfish

      But isn’t that the reason that Britain withdrew from 130 0f the provisions of the EUCJ and the EAW, to repatriate the powers and protections for British citizens and then to negotiate and opt back in to 35 of those provisions on more appropriate, much more limited terms?

      It’s a serious question. There seems to be much confusion and even more misinformation about the steps that the Government are proposing to take.

      As part of those safeguards, extradition will no longer be permitted for minor offences or for ‘offences’ that are not crimes in the UK, i.e. the types of cases you raise.

      • @PhilKean1

        There are no Crime and Justice powers that should be handed to foreign Governments. Add the Arrest Warrant to him wanting Britain included in numerous EU trade deals currently being negotiated – and I thought we were supposed to be getting this in-or-out referendum?

        I mean, one would think he would have a moratorium on signing up to economic and political union if there’s the possibility the British people may vote to leave the EU.

    • HookesLaw

      You talk as if there had been never any such thing as extradition which is what the EAW is. Since we are not yet part of it I do not see how you can claim anyone has been a victim of it.
      There is no such thing as extraordinary rendition involved and your reference to this shows how hysterical you are.
      Extraordinary rendition is of course an extrajudicial transfer of someone (usually to a third country) which is the exact opposite of the EAW.

      It is perfectly legal to arrest someone for rioting in the EU and the UK. You are ignoring realfish’s points and I see it as quite helpful to deliver an arrest warrant to foreign criminals. Our own police are in favour of it.

      • MirthaTidville

        Our Police these days are as dulpicitous as the Government. You are right extradition was always available but before you had to produce some evidence to convince a British judge that you had a prima facie case..Since the EAW that is not required..just the request only..and you think this is OK??..well thank God for the Spanish I only hope they hold out, as we arn`t going to give up Gibraltar. However the interesting point is the Dave is somehow desperate for us to get back in, which is why I for one do not believe he has any intentions of giving us an in/out vote…..ever

        So put that in your pipe Hooky and smoke it

  • @PhilKean1

    A PMQs that brought 2 brief moments of hope to real Conservatives.

    Because when 2 of Cameron’s backbenchers broke ranks in an effort to hold him to account on 2 very serious matters : the EU arrest Warrant, and the bizarre prospect of legislating to peg Foreign Aid to a percentage GDP – for that brief moment, they were Conservatives again.

    • Blindsideflanker

      Yes I noticed that, the Conservative backbenches were for a very short time a more effective opposition than Labour.

    • HookesLaw

      You need to be a bit more clear and suggest what is wrong with the EAW. Norway is not in the EU but its extradition proceedures are based on the EAW.

      • McClane

        What is wrong with the EAW is that standards of proof, evidence & detention are not common throughout the EU. What might be a minor offence in the UK, resulting in release on bail here, may be a major offence elsewhere in the EU, resulting in lengthy imprisonment before the case even comes to trial.

        And there is simply no reason why we should hand powers of arrest in the UK to foreign governments. We have seen already the problems arising from UK compliance with US extradition law.

        What Norway decides is nothing to do with us.

      • southerner

        “You need to be a bit more clear and suggest what is wrong with the EAW.”

        That you require an explanation why a sovereign nation would not want another intruding into their legal system only goes to confirm, as if confirmation were needed, that you don’t have a conservative bone in your body.

  • swatnan

    Labour is as much a part of the Establishment as the Tories and Lib Dems.
    Thats the pity.

    • Holly

      Having just watched Chris Bryant’s hateful and vehement rant, I wonder what the ‘normal’ bods in his constituency think about their MP, who can hold so much pure hate in his heart towards another person.
      He has every right to disagree with IDS, but to show such hate on such a scale?
      The ‘establishment’ needs MP’s like Bryant, like a hole in the head.
      Even Bercow pulled him up for it.

      • HookesLaw

        He is playing to the gallery full of his own nutjobs.

      • realfish

        Thanks Holly. I’ve just watched it on Parliament TV.

        Bryant is an appalling man – it easy to see why he lacked the basic humanity and dignity to become a vicar. Talking of which, I noted his hypocrisy, when he spoke of confession, denial and redemption…this from a man who has yet to apologise to the PM for wrongly accusing him of misleading the House over Murdoch.

        Bryant has a track record of accusing people of misleading, ‘lying’ and deception. The Speaker’s admonishment was an inappropriate slap on the wrist. He continues to give Bryant too much latitude.

  • southerner

    Meanwhile in the real world nobody gives a flying fork about PMQs.

  • anyfool

    It is to late to nail Labour with the NHS debacle, it should have been done as the horrors unfolded.
    Like on the EU, Cameron is to lax and does not have the instinct to gut these useless creatures.

    • Count Dooku

      No I think that Cameron is instinctively honest and doesn’t like playing politics. He likes to be the bigger man. It’s a good thing in a person but terrible in a politician.
      It frustrates me but I won’t knock him for it.

      • HookesLaw

        Its not uncommon with quite a lot of tory politicians.

  • toco10

    Red Ed and Labour also caused immense damage to the NHS by encouraging 4.8 million immigrants to the UK many of whom are unable to converse effectively in English.

    • Shazza

      Only 4.8 million?

      • Tim Baker

        Do you know any others?

        • Shazza

          Supermarket, water and sewage stats put the population at circa 80 million.
          If the official figure is 63 million, then the population increase was 5%.
          That means for every class of 20, only 1 extra pupil would have to be accommodated. This would not have put the pressure on school places that we are seeing now. The same can be said for the NHS, housing etc.
          So – only 4.8 million?

          • Tim Baker

            But more than 13 million UK citizens live overseas.

            • Shazza

              We are talking about the effect that mass immigration has had on this country – whether 13 million UK citizens live overseas or not is not the point. What is the point is the quality of the UK citizens emigrating, skilled, qualified young people and those who see what devastation has been wrought on this country by Labour – a great loss to the UK this brain drain. In it’s place we have had a certain amount of skilled labour from the EU but the majority of the tsunami of unskilled immigration is from the 3rd world with all the enrichment that has come from it, i.e., FGM, benefit scroungers, multiple wives all on benefits etc. etc.

              • Tim Baker

                But many other Western developed countries also have high levels of immigration and emigration.

                • Shazza

                  All of those that have experienced mass 3rd world immigration have declined in all areas both social, financial, safety etc.
                  If you import large numbers of 3rd world immigrants into a 1st world country, you will in no time, end up with a 3rd world country.

                • Tim Baker

                  Name me one Western country that has fallen to third world status because of third world immigration?

                • Shazza

                  UK – work in progress.
                  Tower Hamlets and various enclaves throughout the big towns and cities where the following is practiced –
                  Honour Killings
                  Sharia Law
                  Muti killing (African medicine)

                  Just like cancer – starts as a bunch of malignant cells and then in no time, takes over the whole body.

              • jesseventura2

                EU referendum on muslim immigrants?

                What politician would have the balls to call for what a huge majority want?

    • telemachus

      Immigrants who arrived after 1999 were 45% less likely to receive state
      benefits or tax credits than UK natives in the period 2000-2011, according to
      the report by Prof Christian Dustmann and Dr Tommaso Frattini from UCL’s Centre for Research and Analysis of Migration.

      They were also 3% less likely to live in social housing.

      “These differences are partly explainable by immigrants’ more favourable
      age-gender composition. However, even when compared to natives with the same age, gender composition, and education, recent immigrants are still 21% less likely than natives to receive benefits,” the authors say.