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As Christians are massacred in Iraq, laid-back Obama maintains his shameful silence

19 July 2014

7:11 PM

19 July 2014

7:11 PM

Christians in Mosul have been offered three choices by ISIS:

1. Convert to Islam.

2. Pay the ‘jizya’ tax that renders them dhimmis – i.e., second-class citizens granted limited protection if they hand over half an ounce of pure gold.

3. Death by the sword.

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They had until noon today to make up their minds.

Bit of a no-brainer, really. Mosul’s Christians – Catholics and Orthodox who until this month had celebrated Mass in the city every Sunday for 1,600 years – are fleeing for safety.

Perhaps, by the time you read this, Barack Obama – a weekly worshipper at a crazy rabble-rousing church while he was running for office in Chicago – will have said something about this tragedy. He certainly hadn’t said anything at the time of writing (18.30 BST).

In fact, if you do an internet search for ‘Obama, Middle East, Christians’, you’ll find very thin pickings indeed: mostly articles by his critics pointing out that he’s kept his mouth shut on this subject ever since his Arab Spring empowered the murderers of Christians across the region.

I’m not saying that Christian lives are worth more than Muslim ones. Nor can the (genuinely devout) George W Bush escape his responsibility for the slit throats of Christians some of whom still worship in a version of Aramaic, the language of Jesus. Ditto the ‘Catholic’ Tony Blair.

But the mass culling of Chaldean and Assyrian Christians brings out in Obama a streak of insouciance and laid-back cowardice that is very much his own.

So, over to you, Michelle. If your husband is too busy on the golf course, perhaps you could hold up a placard with a groovy hashtag on it…


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  • Infadel Macgee

    o’blowhole showing his true colours once again . What a surprise .

  • deanrd

    All the way back in 2003, the pope was begging Bush to protect the Christians and Bush refused. By time Obama became president, most were already gone. Don’t play politics with something this serious. Worse, Bush refused to let them come into this country because he didn’t want the American people to see his terrible failure.

  • muluna

    if obama and his leader are silent the GOD that chrstian worship is not ignore his people ….MY QUESTION IS OBAMA worship true GOD …IF SO WHY HE SILENT

  • Steve Brown

    The amazing thing is that I truly believe that if Obama was able to make a 3rd run for president that he would once again get 99% of the black christian and a majority of the Liberal Jewish vote. The jews and christians would vote themselves right to the slaughterhouse.

  • Steve Brown

    Obama is doing exactly what America did in 1939 when the Nazis were; gassing, shooting, starving and working the european jews to death= NOTHING.

  • Paula

    Obama is a member of ISIS……..

  • Ludmila Koemets

    Who
    initiated all this horror? As clear as day! The USA with support of their
    obedient servant the UK! And now we, the Christians of all
    denominations , have become the victims and hostages of their satanic treachery! “When will they ever learn?” Or isn’t it too late! Oh Barm aa! The End!

  • Olivia96

    ISIS are inflicting pain to Christians (including Assyrians, Chaldeans) in Iraq. The high authorities are doing NOTHING to stop this genocide. The fact that Christians in Iraq were given three choices, not only is disgusting but it is inhuman. ISIS are murdering, raping and torturing Christians in Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon. ISIS are advocating violence and that sickens me. Obama and Abbott need to STEP UP and help our Christians. All I can say is that, God has a plan and He will put an END to this crisis.

  • Olivia96

    ISIS is inflicting pain to Christians in Iraq. Not only is it inhuman but it is disgusting. Obama needs to put an END to this genocide. The high authorities are doing NOTHING effective to stop this crisis. Where’s the peace? Where’s the justice? When will it end? Thousands of Christians have been raped, murdered, and have had to flee their homes. The fact that ISIS have given OUR CHRISTIANS, three choices, is disgusting and cruel. All I can say is that God has a plan, and he will help our Christians in Iraq.

  • TAP

    Hussein Obama will do nothing for Christians. He is Islamist.

  • deanrd

    The pope warned Bush back in 2003 what would happen if he invaded Iraq.. The Christian population went from one and a half million to….who knows. Bush and the Republicans did nothing to protect them. NOTHING. But now, the few that are left are Obama’s fault? These Republicans, are they clean?

    • kssturgis62

      Pope Francis is inviting Islam to the Vatican to pray. Francis has been quiet, and just yesterday had a spokes person come out and say two sentences. the Pope has done nothing, said nothing, but he is having these terrorists in the Vatican to pray. The Current Pope is a Hypocrite and is making deals with satan.

  • Raimo Kangasniemi

    USA is sending 700 000 000 dollars worth of Hellfire missiles to Iraq according to report…

  • gene lalor

    Eradicating Iraqi Christians

    Thank goodness that, at least according to President Barack Hussein
    Obama, the war in Iraq is finally over. That was certainly the implication
    when our president fulfilled a campaign pledge by withdrawing most U.S. troops
    in 2009 thereby washing his hands of the conflict after six bloody years during
    which we lost 4,486 brave soldiers and 32,222 members of the military were
    wounded.

    Surely, Obama would not have withdrawn our forces had hostilities not
    ceased. That would have effectively declared our troops had wasted their time
    and blood, suffered tens of thousands injuries and given their lives for
    nothing, and that America had pissed away a trillion dollars of our national
    treasure on a useless effort.

    Well, that’s exactly what our president did and what happened in Iraq
    subsequent to our bug-out has proven how disastrous fulfilling a campaign
    promise can be. Considering that he has failed to come through on most of his
    hopey-changey pledges, it’s odd that prematurely pulling out of Iraq was so near
    the top of his priority list, no?

    I guess the scholar Obama never studied Gen. Douglas MacArthur who
    wisely said it makes no sense to get involved in a war unless you were prepared
    to win it.

    It’s not the purpose here to evaluate the merits of the Iraq War
    which, at this point, will probably go down in history as a defeat, along
    with our Korea and Viet Nam failures.

    Suffice to say, many reports in 2003 had indicated Saddam Hussein
    still possessed the deadly weapons of mass destruction he had already employed
    against his own people and it was widely felt, even by such venerable Democrats
    as Sen. Ted Kennedy, that he wouldn’t hesitate to use them again. The fact
    those WMDs were never found is most likely not attributable to President George
    W. Bush’s evil designs as much as to Hussein having relocated them in
    anticipation of an invasion.

    That said, following Obama’s bug-out, Iraq has gradually descended
    into utter chaos as Islamic Sunnis and Shiites reignited their age-old, never
    ending, fratricidal, civil war. Many Iraqis have came to wonder whether their
    lives under the mad Saddam and his psychopathic sons, Uday and Qusay, may have
    been preferable to living under their corrupt Prime Minister Nouri
    al-Maliki.

    Iraqi Christians, however, were much less ambivalent over their
    Sophie’s Choice than Sunnis and Shiites. For the most part, they were treated
    no more brutally than Muslims under the Hussein clan. That situation, that
    treatment, radically changed after America abandoned them. . .
    (Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=38330.

  • zabada

    the destruction on Iraq are planned well in west by Jews.Jews still lead the west like at the past.Winston Churchill expose this well as many of American politician and writers.They will not take care some Christians who suffer there.Obama himself can,t oppose this plan.Jews are too smart for the whites and Arabs.

    • mohammed

      You are a true muslim brother.

  • Joe

    please sign this petition to where he HAS to respond.

    http://wh.gov/lM2As

  • zabada

    When America slaughtered Iraqis muslims you says nothings,otherwise when Isis slaugthered Christians you condemned Isis.Seem life of Christians is more valuable to the west versus of Muslims.That why the world hates America.

    • Ordinaryman

      There where demonstrations on the streets of our Christian democracies against the war in Iraq. Where are the equivalent Muslim demonstrations against the killing of Christians?

      • zabada

        slaughter on muslims by America are worse then Isis have done.Isis are not killing them.Christians are scare to them.They are fighting Syiah not Christians there.I guess if these Christian not oppose them,Isis will not oppress them.

        • Ordinaryman

          We will have to agree to disagree on whether or not Christians are being killed by Muslims. Nevertheless, you haven’t answered my question; why aren’t any Muslims protesting about the way Christians are being ill-treated in the same way that Christians have demonstrated when they believe Muslims are being ill-treated. You may at the same time explain why Christians have been given an ultimatum about either converting to Islam, paying the ‘jizya’ tax or “death by the sword”? It’s hardly surprising that the Christians in Mosul are scared. Wouldn’t you be if you and your family were living under that sort of threat.

        • mollysdad

          The Muslims bring slaughter on themselves. If you resist the Americans you get killed. If not, then you don’t.

        • cartimandua

          ISIS kill rape and murder men women and little tiny children.
          ISIS and whatever they call themselves next are evil scum.

          • zabada

            You better live among them..this news paper is working for Jews. America is working for Jews,They deserve to destroy Arab on behalf of Israel.Jews are bribing them to do that.They are starting these all after 9 11.9 11 was planned by Jews.Jews invented world order by using America.Destroying Arab is Jews agenda for Jew,s survival.So they will discredit ISIS,who are fighthig Syiah.There are too many atrocities perpetrated by Syiah in Iraq on Sunni..But there are no news on Syiah atrocities.You must know more.

    • mollysdad

      If you camel piss drinkers would change your religion instead of waging war against everyone who doesn’t share the one you have now, perhaps the world would hate you less and fewer of you would get killed.

    • Bonkim

      The more Muslims are slaughtered the more new ones sprout – Allah has bestowed high fertility to his people – so families of 40 or 60 have to be culled periodically or Gaza will become even more crowded.

    • cartimandua

      on the contrary Iraqi Muslims murdered each other and everyone else. Muslims are just murderous.
      Of course we care more about Christians. Christians don’t try to kill all the time.

      • zabada

        Look at the past .How many Christians killed..each others in world war 1 and 2.-13 millions.Kah..kah,,kah Christaians are not killing.You make my day.

  • Augustus

    When Saddam was in power 100,000 Christians lived in Mosul. After the American-British invasion in 2003 their number steadily dropped to about 200. Christians are now, of course, fleeing all over Iraq to escape radical Muslims persecution. And then there’s Boko Haram, who want’s to turn Nigeria into an Islamic state, killing Christians en masse and torching their churches. In fact millions of Christians in Muslim countries are being discriminated against, oppressed and violated. Both Shia and Sunni radicals always considered non-Muslims as the ‘enemies of God ‘ who had to be subjugated. Christians in Egypt, for example, are forced to take only specific jobs like garbage collectors. If they’re not actually being persecuted to death Christians are supposed to be grateful that their presence is at least tolerated. And even then they can’t afford to put a foot wrong under their Islamic masters, and must at all times know their humble place. Undoubtedly, Christians in all Islamic countries will either be killed or will have fled. Especially now that the Islamists know that by the West just looking away they have been given a free pass. A culture that doesn’t look after its own is doomed to extinction.

    • sharon332

      Strange that Islamic extremist terror groups always turn up in countries were the west has some sort of strategic aim. The CIA created the Mujahadeen who morphed into the Taliban and the Syrian rebels were trained by the west. ISIS are probably the western trained rebels who became the terrorists when they crossed the border into Iraq.

      The lesson is that the establishment have betrayed Middle Eastern Christians in order to fulfil strategic aims.

      • Augustus

        Whatever you say about the West’s ‘strategic aims’ doesn’t excuse such extreme religious persecution. One can only conclude that many branches of Islam are totally insane. You state below that “Zionism and Islamism are a plague on the world.” But an important tenet of Zionism was the understanding that the Jews of Europe were in danger, and that Anti-Semitism would continue to rise and become increasingly virulent. The ‘plague’ therefore was the historical persecution of Jews, culminating with Hitler’s Final Solution, later aided and abetted by the Arabs of Palestine led by the Grand Mufti. However much you might want to paint Arab Palestinians as present-day victims of Jewish aggression, the fact is that Zionists were fleeing from terror and persecution, whereas radical Muslims seek out and use those things as weapons of faith.

  • JoeDM

    Look at the middle east now and see British inner-cities in 50 years time.

  • joeblow55

    The malicious evil of salafism will destroy us all unless it is eliminated.

  • Bronxbabe

    God help them….Obama has created this army of satanic pigs…

  • http://www.soidog.org/en/about-soi-dog/ Muzeli

    But who should lead any protest? The pope? The Christians in this country, the media? They are all shamefully quiet.

  • mandelson

    I am awaiting a mass demonstration ion London against this vile crime – yep its going to be a long wait.

    • mohammed

      They’re too busy shouting gass the jews.

  • Denis_Cooper

    Just another event abroad which will once again fail to wake up our own rather stupid Christians to the reality that their cosy conciliatory inter-faith meetings will not protect them from the same fate if ever the adherents of the religion of peace gain control in this country. They don’t need to be turned into “dhimmis”, most of them are already too dim to see the obvious existential threat that Islam poses not just to their freedom of religion but to their lives, which is why they can’t keep their silly traps shut and insist on immediately condemning anybody who is opposed to more Muslim immigration. But then I suppose like some devout Muslims some of our devout Christians would actually welcome martyrdom for their faith, it’s just a pity that the rest of us who don’t accept either of those ridiculous medieval superstitions would have suffer as well.

    • sharon332

      Who are the people who support EU membership, open borders and mass immigration? The Church of England, The United Nations, The Labour Party, The Lib Dems, The Conservatives, mass media, corporations and the rich all support mass immigration and EU membership. Obama and Clinton are also complicit in the scheme. I agree that too much Muslim immigration represents a threat but Muslims didn’t create the EU and are not the main group in support of open borders. They’re the beneficiaries by default of a policy dreamt up by greedy western politicians who worship at the altar of money.

      • Denis_Cooper

        Just you wait until the Muslims gain control here and start behaving as they do more or less everywhere that they get control, and then say that Islam is not the greatest threat to Christians. Then I suppose the Christians will start pleading for the atheists to save them.

        • sharon332

          It is the establishment who have helped radical muslims by default. All the Islamists have to do is sit back as the EU, Church Of England, lefties and mainstream political parties promote mass immigration and open borders. Illegal immigrants are flooding into Europe and the UN recently said that the EU should relax border policies. Lefties denounce those who oppose open borders as racist and UAF attacks those who oppose free movement. The establishment are the real threat. The establishment have invited them in and encourage multi-cultralism and lefties denounce those who say that Muslims should intergrate. The establishment worships money and diamonds and see its subjects as economic units but as a result their policies have exposed us to radical islam. Saudia Arabia funds mosques in Britain. The establishment represent the biggest threat.

          • Denis_Cooper

            Well the stupid Christians better do something about it before it’s too late for them.

      • Owen_Morgan

        Putin’s idea of a Christian is a man with a big beard, wearing ecclesiastical vestments, with a history of KGB/FSB contacts. The orthodox church in Russia is once more a propaganda arm of the state and not particularly well-renowned for Christian virtues.

        Putin is a big friend, incidentally, of both Assad and the Iranian regime and, presumably, recalls the time when the ussr was the biggest sponsor of Iraq and, somewhat earlier than that, of Egypt, too.

        • sharon332

          Christians in the middle east have turned to Putin. That is a major and titanic shift. They seem to believe that Putin’s tactics in the middle east guarantee their security. However Saudi Arabia Is very happy with Obama and Cameron, and the Saudis are more than happy to see the Christians driven out of the middle east and churches burnt down. There are no Christians in Saudi Arabia or UAE and Assad protected the Christians but yet we are allied to the Saudis.

          The British establishment worships at the altar of money, gold and material riches and it is as a result of this greed that Islam will become the dominant world religion.

          Most Muslims are not like ISIS and many Muslims opposed the war in Iraq and arming the rebels in Syria but Islam looks to be on the road to victory because non radical mainstream Muslims still have faith. Mainstream Churches are doing everything they can to abandon faith and embrace worldly and material concerns.

          • Owen_Morgan

            “Islam looks to be on the road to victory because non radical mainstream Muslims still have faith.”

            Faith in what, exactly? Faith in the religious worthiness of killing Christians and Jews and Hindus, or of butchering their own daughters? Faith in the providential power of islamic lying? Faith in contempt for any society, any law and any culture but their own?

            As a matter of interest, should the female victims of muslim sex-trafficking, in numerous English towns, blame radical, or non-radical, followers of islam?

  • LaurenceBoyce

    As a matter of interest, what has the Pope said about this latest incident? Nothing that I am aware of. His last tweet just tells us that “the Lord loves a cheerful giver.” Very good.

    Perhaps we’ll get another article from Damian demanding that the Pope says something immediately. Or perhaps we won’t.

  • Donafugata

    According to Breitbart the Syriac Catholic cathedral has been set ablaze.

    Damian, please excuse a spot of pedantry but should that not be,
    ” Christians in Mosul have been offered three options”?

    Correct me if I am mistaken.

  • NotYouNotSure

    Remind me again who supported the war in Iraq ? Thats right, outlets like the Spectator did, thugs like Hookeslaw did, they call themselves right wing yet they support every belligerent cause that hurts Christians and supports left wing. This is not the fault of Obama, as much as he has done wrong. This is your fault !

  • artemis in france

    I think the clue’s in his name, Damian.

  • Bonkim

    Many Shias have met the same fate – yes ISIS needs to be stopped on its tracks – not just for killing Christians – what are the Arab states surrounding the location doing? You should put the same question to them – It is not Barrack Obama’a or the West’s job to start a Holy War against Muslim bigots. Christians and other non-Muslims have been historically second class citizens in Islamic lands and jizya is not a new invention. Time the saner Arab states in the region did something as ISIS is not a threat just to the Christians of the region.

  • mike_s376

    We must confront the enablers in the media, the BBC and Guardian.
    Just one kind of bias which turned out on a daily basis.

    The bbc news website has also an other kind of bias. They try to hide articles which aren’t favorable for the religion of the peace.
    article on the front page of the DW
    http://www.dw.de/islamic-ultimatum-to-christians-in-iraq-northern-city/a-17795408
    Article on the bbc is not mentioned on the front page or on the sub section for the middle east.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28381455

    Now they can always say that they did report it, but you would not be able to find it if you used the normal front page or even the regional front page.

  • sharon332

    Millions of Muslims marched against the war in Iraq, opposed arming the rebels in Syria and warned that the so-called Arab Spring was a hoax and a fraud which would unleash Jihadis across the middle east.

    Christians have existed in the middle east for centuries and lived peacefully side by side with Muslims. In fact as matters now stand Putin and Assad have done more to protect Christians than the west.

    Christians are under seige across the so called western world and demonised for their beliefs.

    But there is one group of people American and some British Christian Mps always support in the middle east and speak up for and it’s not the Christians. Apparently to them Christians don’t have the right to exist in the middle east.

    The EU has a communist, secular and corporate fascist ethos and Christianity always suffers in such a society. The Bolshevicks In Russia murdered the Christians and Putin converted after the fall of Communism.

    The future is looking grim because the real forces at the heart of the US, Britain and the EU are anti Christian so much so that Christians in the Middle East have now turned to Russia and Assad to save them.

    US, France, Britain and the EU armed and created the rebels to oppose Assad, and let’s not forget that the west is rebels became the terrorists only when they crossed the border into Iraq.

    We are now faced with the absurd scenario whereby Putin is the Saviour of Christians. American, British and EU leaders couldn’t give a damn about Christian and worship money and materialism. They would very easily back and arm Jihadis who would kill Christians if it guarantees access to cheap oil. If Putin is marginalised then christians should be very concerned.

  • The Masked Marvel

    This where the “Nothing To Do With Us / Intervening Is Why They Hate Us” crowd get you, Damian.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Britain in 20 years’ time? Suck it up Britisher pals. You voted for those Labour bastards.

  • Peter Stroud

    There is only one certainty, that Obama is one of the most insincere presidents to have sat in the Oval Office. He is a third rate politician, who is big on oratory and image, and small on principles. Many of us saw this in 2008, but we were shouted down. The man is a complete charlatan.

    • Bonkim

      The american people are not raising petitions to save Mid-Eastern Christians. thexe events are far from US politics. Unlikely the Republicans are getting heated up either. Doubt if they want another military expedition to Iraq.

  • Roy

    And so Obama will. We have been told untold times he is an “Islamist”, yet we still think that somehow he will change his spots. Somehow he will become an American, or at least condescend to Western principals. Not on your life. He will mislead and deceive until the free world is finished.

    • Colonel Mustard

      His extraordinary rise to presidency of the USA from his radical activist roots is a meme for the whole West. Throughout the West leftist radicals have risen to power and we now have an unelected network propagating the breed. Is it any wonder that some extraordinarily radical and extreme, practically revolutionary ideas have passed through our Parliament with little or no circumspection about their consequences to our freedoms, rule of law and common law?

      The intolerant radicalism has passed into the climate debate, health and immigration. Forty years ago I would never have believed that an elected British government could pass a law banning smoking in a pub, a private place of public access where people can choose to stay or leave.

      Much of this radical change has been facilitated by the left’s manipulation of language and their understanding of its use as a weapon, as well as the complete absence of anyone strong enough to stand against them. And they want more. Miliband and his coterie of thinly-veiled communists talk of radical reform for their pet causes. The pattern and where this leads will be obvious to anyone with an understanding of communist aggression and subversion in politics.

      • Roy

        Quite correct. What surprises me is the way people vote-in these radical people, yet information on their background is freely available, and was freely available prior to their election to power. As time went on more knowledge became known about him (Obama). It was as if the voting public of America have a death wish for their constitution and their continuing freedoms. It is as if they are blind and under some sort of mesmerizing trance.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          Problem is, he was opposed by two very objectionable candidates in McCain and Romney. The choices were quite bad.

  • dba_vagabond_trader

    THIS is genocide comrades!

    • Bonkim

      You better enrol to go fight your holy war.

  • Roger Hudson

    Obama is off playing Golf, try next week.

  • lookout

    It’s Muslims slaughtering Muslims, Christian’s and politics opponents, journalists and you and me, eventually.

  • amongoose

    Why would a muslim care if muslims slaughter Chrtistians?

  • lookout

    Check out Obama’s half brother, he sells arms in the middle east, also, why didn’t he bomb ISIS in Iraq when asked by the Iraqi president? His sympathy is to the Sunnis as is his religious leanings

  • Julie

    I see the events schedule for the House Foreign Affairs Committee:
    Wednesday July 23, 1pm Hearing: Terrorist March in Iraq; The US Response

  • Andy

    Perhaps, in the interests of reciprocity, fairness and tolerance we should offer all those Muslims who live within our borders a similar deal. No one in the Muslim world could possibly object.

    • telemachus

      That is just the type of intemperate post that encourages mad mullahs to radicalise the integrated Muslim youths in our midst

      • Andy

        Well I for one am few up with ‘intemperate’ mullahs and Muslim youths. We should defend our Chrsitian brothers.

        • Alexsandr

          fed up?

          • telemachus

            Indeed we are very fed up with Andy’s intemperate comments

            • Alexsandr

              not as fed up as we are with you with your daft rantings. Isnt it your bed time yet?

            • Andy

              Why don’t you just get lost. ALL across the Muslim World Christians are being persecuted and you and your Fascist mates don’t give a stuff. Christianity is the most persecuted religion and where ever there are Muslims there is persecution of Christians.

              We should adopt a much stronger line and tone with Islam and Muslims in general, and we can start with our own.

              • sharon332

                That is not true. Christians have existed peacefully side by side with Muslims for centuries.

                The catastrophe for Christians is a direct result of the cia orchestrated ‘Arab Spring’ and the so-called doctrine of regime change, a project authored by leading zionists including Cheney, Perle and Wolfowitz – The Project For The New America Century – and promoted by the likes of Tony Blair. The countries which want Assad to fall are Saudia Arabia, Qatar, Israel, UAE, Turkey, USA, Britain and France. The Christians are just collateral damage for them. This is not solely Obama fault.

                There are no christians in Saudia Arabia, a key ally of Britain, and the western backed rebels are murdering Christians who Assad protected and who have existed since St Paul.

                Tony Blair the so called middle east peace
                envoy has said nothing about the Christians. Just face it, the west has caused this catastrophe and our leaders worship worldly and material riches, money and power. Our leaders are very evil.

                • Andy

                  A load of leftie bullshit. You know nothing at all. Go and talk to Patriarch Bartholomew in Turkey and hear how he and the Orthodox Church is treated in supposedly secular Turkey. The reality is “Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached”.

                • sharon332

                  Do you realise that during the Holocaust, Muslims in the middle east sheltered and protected Jews?

                  The Wahabi Jihadi ideology traces its roots to Saudi Arabia which is allied to Britain and America.

                  I’m not Muslim but I think that Muslims have become scapegoats to hide the evil actions of western leaders who worship material and worldly goods. They worship at the altar of money.

                  I’m not a fan of Putin, I recognise problems with Islam but Christians lived in Iraq and Syria for centuries. The plight and catastrophe is a direct result of the regime change philosophy dreamt up by the authors of the project for the new American century and promoted by Tony Blair and his ilk.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  This is a new script for the left beginning to appear everywhere – the persecution of Christians in the Middle East is really the fault of the West. Things were fine and dandy until Bush. Etc.

                  That deceit conveniently ignores the Lebanese Civil War and many other conflicts stretching back centuries. It also conveniently ignores over 50 years of Palestinian and Islamic terrorism perpetrated across the globe.

                  And your other silly assertion about Muslims sheltering Jews during WW2 ignores the unpleasantries of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and Hitler’s Muslim SS units. Do you realise that during the Holocaust, Muslims in the Balkans wore SS uniforms and hunted Jews?

                • Bonkim

                  Palestinian terror started after the West conceding to Jewish terror and creating Israel on land taken from the Palestinians. Don’t forget cause and effect.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  No it didn’t. Once again you need to improve your history. Sectarian conflict between Jews and Arabs began with the fall of the Ottoman Empire. There was sectarian strife in mandated Palestine long before the state of Israel was declared.

                  But that is not really the issue here anyway. The issue is the new left-wing script in the context of European left-wing accommodation of Palestinian terror which has long roots. The current left-wing propaganda bolstering this sinister but decades-old alliance is to cast Israel as a “terrorist” state either to justify Palestinian terror or to ignore it. All those people protesting yesterday, whether they were hard-liners or useful idiots, were sponsoring or justifying terrorism.

                • Tom M

                  Point of order Bonkim. The arabs invaded and captured Jerusalem in 638.The Abbasids and the Fatamids invaders Islamified the whole area and for 400 years the region was always in a state of continual war.
                  Just to make the point of who was boss at the time and as no doubt a gesture of goodwill, they built the Dome on the Rock and the al-aqsa Mosque right on top of the jew’s most religious site.
                  The indigenous jews were, in accordance with current practices in Iraq offered “protection” subject to the usual well known conditions.

                • Bonkim

                  History operates in a continuum. Land belongs to the one who is there for the present –

                • Tom M

                  ??? I corrected your statement that said:
                  “……Palestinian terror started after the West conceding to Jewish terror and creating Israel on land taken from the Palestinians……” which was factually wrong and I gave reasons to support my point..
                  I didn’t comment on the ownership of land.

                • Bonkim

                  Thanks – history makes no difference to the situation on the ground now.

                • Bonkim

                  Quite right Sharon – it is not Muslims or Christians that hate each other – but circumstances that create political polarisation through different times. Israel’s creation from land taken from the Palestinians as atonement for Christian persecution of Jews through history may have made previously hospitable Muslim tribes to hate the west and all associated with them. We ignore cause and effect at our peril.

                • KILL-THE-IGNORANCE

                  NO there is NO CAUSE AND EFFECT BULLSH***, these muslims are not humans, they are brainwashed by the devil himself!! Take it from me, a Christian from Iraq, they are not to be trusted!

                • Bonkim

                  I don’t suppose they trust you either.

                • Andy

                  You do realise that the Muslim Brotherhood received funding from and supported the Nazis ? Do you realise that the Grand Mufti (Arafats uncle) was only too happy to go and have tea and crumpets with Hitler in the middle of the war ?

                  Muslims are not being made scapegoats for anything, but should be called to account for their ‘evil actions’. That includes the wide spread murder and persecution of Christians all across the Muslim world and, as I indicated, in secular Turkey. Much as I loath Tony Blair this persecution long pre-dates his period in power. And if you don’t believe me go and ask the Patriarch.

                • The Masked Marvel

                  Saudi Arabia is ‘allied’ to Britain and America, yet the epitome of Jihadi Muslims, Al Qaeda, started out as enemies of the Saudi Regime specifically because it allowed US troops in the Arabian Peninsula. This happened before Blair was even leader of the Labour Party, who were out of power. Your logic is in error.

                  The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in the late 1920s. Napoleon invaded and conquered Eqypt in 1798. Why weren’t the Copts in danger then? None of this supports your theory.

                  Next you’ll be telling us that 9/11 was an inside job, done so that Bush/Haliburton could grab all that Afghan Oil.

                • almarsh

                  During the holocaust al-Husseini, the grand mufti of Jerusalem, went to Germany, seeking to extend it to the middle east.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  “Christians have existed peacefully side by side with Muslims for centuries.”

                  Very often as dhimmis, second class citizens forced to pay a tax for freedom of worship and with reduced rights. That enforced (not accidental) inequality doesn’t seem consistent with left-wing ideals. And your nonsense about regime change being responsible for the persecution of Christians ignores such sectarian flare-ups as the Lebanese civil war.

                  But the extremist left-wing accommodation with Palestinian and Islamic terror has long roots. From 1968 the PFLP was training European terrorist groups, most of them with extremist left-wing ideologies and who sympathized with the Palestinian cause. The PFLP wanted to send European terrorists on pro-Palestinian terrorist missions in Europe. The rally in London yesterday was just a slightly less extreme manifestation of that odd alliance.

                • sharon332

                  But what about the role which displaced Palestinians played? The artificial manner in which Israel was created has caused major problems.

                  I believe that Jews have a right to live in the state of Israel but I am opposed to Zionism which is in my opinion a racist ideology and favours racial superiority. I believe in a one state solution. Muslims protected Jews during the Holocaust and jews lived side by side with Palestinians before 1945.

                  Zionism and Islamism are a plague on the world.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Well to begin with you need to differentiate between displaced Palestinians, terrorists who espouse a Palestinian “cause” and the Western zealots who support them and incite further violence. We seem to be again heading towards territory where left wingers support or seek to justify terrorism on the basis of Israel being a rogue state, which is itself highly debatable. There may be verifiable Israeli atrocities against Palestinians, not always deliberate, but there are verifiable Palestinian atrocities against the whole world which have all been deliberate. I can find no equivalency there, no example of Israelis or “Zionists” deliberately murdering innocent civilians on a global scale to further their “cause”.

                  To a certain extent the same thing happened with the IRA where the rights and wrongs of a cause became blurred with terrorism and the left appearing more outraged about the British state’s response than anything the terrorists did. This is why we have had several inquiries into Bloody Sunday but the relatives of victims of so many IRA murders have not found justice.

                  One has to suspect that the reason for this strange partisan view of atrocity is manifested, as someone else here has suggested, by a “revolutionary” glee in attacking the “establishment” (as long as it is perceived as Tory). This is not surprising when prominent Labour party advocates here romanticise communist violence in Russia and hail the mass murderer Stalin.

                • sharon332

                  The facts speak for themselves now and the Christians in the middle east have turned to Russia. Lord carey talks about assisted suicide, women Bishops occupy the concerns of The Church but no word on the Christians in the middle east. Christians have now become accepted as as collateral damage. Let’s not forget that Syrian Christians in some communities still speak the language that Jesus spoke. The facts speak for themselves. Christianity was born in the middle east, St Paul lived in Syria and the West have funded rebels who have destroyed ancient Christian communities and now those displaced christians have turned to Putin. This is a tragedy of epic proportions.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  I’m far from convinced it is the West who have funded those rebels! Iran and Saudi Arabia have been heavily involved in war by proxy for decades.

                • peter the painter

                  The only difference being that Zionism isn’t as popular as Islamism.

                • Chris Morriss

                  Except with posters to “coffeehouse” apparently.

                • cheshire_cat28

                  What? I lost you when you tossed out that ridiculous charge of “neocon.” A NEOCON, you ignorant fool, is a conservative who USED to be a liberal, a la Krauthammer. Cheney for one was never a freakin’ liberal.

        • telemachus

          How?
          Bush failed

      • Colonel Mustard

        I don’t believe they need any “encouragement” to do that.

        Yours is just the type of intemperate post that encourages firebrands to radicalise the Christian English youth who feel alienated in their own cities.

        You see how I did that?

        • telemachus

          So called Christian English youth are fodder in the hands of the intemperate posters here to coalesce an EDL style response to isolated atrocities abroad
          Sadly a political class has arisen to stoke this further. We see Farage trending around the fashion pages making himself out to be a loveable English eccentric
          In reality his philosophy as portrayed by his billboards is to induce intemperate actions in your Christian English youth

          • Colonel Mustard

            Don’t be silly all your life. Only the Labour party believe in “incitement by dissent” and try to suppress freedom of expression. That is what stokes this issue further, especially when enforcement of their rotten legislation is selective and seen to be so.

  • Adam Carter

    ISIS are doing what mohamedanism instructs them to do.
    We must face facts: this is what will come to us if we do not confront and subdue this vile and vicious belief system.
    When mohammedanism is in power then all pretence of peace and tolerance are put aside.
    We must stop the advance of mohammedanism.

    • telemachus

      You crazy man
      What do you want to do?
      Kill them all
      *
      The Muslims in our midst decry the events of the Caliphate
      Do not by intemperate posts alienate them

      • Inverted Meniscus

        More tagged tripe.

      • Alexsandr

        do show me where. Were they in London demonstrating against ISIS today?

        • telemachus

          As I understand it this magazine has just published a rant against a legitimate protest against murder of Muslims

          • Wessex Man

            You slimy piece of s****, I normally never bothered very much to reply to your idiotic propaganda but for you to try and use the suffering and brutal murder of these Christians for political gain shows you have no further to slide to the gutter, you stupid a*******.

            • Donafugata

              Clearly Al-telemachi is/has become one of them.

              • Kitty MLB

                ” Al-telemachus” I think he’d be rather proud of that.

          • girondas2

            “As I understand it this magazine has just published a rant against a legitimate protest against murder of Muslims”

            As I understand it you haven’t produced the evidence, as requested by Alexsandr, to support your claim that muslims in our midst decry the events of the Caliphate.
            where is it telemachus?.
            Put up or butt out telemachus.

          • sarah_13

            Hamas are sunni islamist supremacists, there charter is a hatefilled supremacists charter, ISIS are sunni islamist supremacists. Hamas use their people as human shields whilst they lob rockets at israeli civilians trying to kill them. Meanwhile students, useful idiots and others march through comfortable south ken demanding israel be stop defending itself despite israel having ceased fire and hamas ignoring it. There is something wrong with that. And there is something shameful about ignoring the the cold blooded totalitarian ISIS whilst they actually doing cleanse the middle east of christians. The inventented “genocide” of the palestinians against real intentional coldmurder of hundreds of thousands in the middle east.

            • John Gerard

              Didn’t you know? The only way Israel can prove to the world it’s serious about peace is to commit suicide.

          • zabada

            They are too arrogant to be a human being.

            • cheshire_cat28

              You are too piglike to be human

              • zabada

                you even worse.i not like pig,because I m muslim.You like it and eat that bad animal.

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        “You crazy manWhat do you want to do?
        Kill them all”
        Now you’re talking. And as a side benefit, solve world over-population…
        What? You mean this isn’t the Telegraph?

        • Chris Morriss

          The phrase “Kill them all, God will sort out his own” was first used in the Albigensian crusade against the gnostic and dualist Cathars of southern France. It is an undoubtedly effective technique, though not something to be wished for.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Thanks for reminding me. Isn’t it also used in the movie, “Kingdom of Heaven”.

      • Bonkim

        not loudly enough though – appear only to protest against Israel’s occupation of Palestinian lands. When Islamics do dastardly deeds – Islam is usually silent. Examine your motives telemachus.

        • telemachus

          You well know that the need is to prevent a media storm over an atrocity in a war zone inducing reasonable people to provoke a backlash against a peace loving minority in our fair land

        • Makroon

          I don’t know why anybody is surprised. Christians have been systematically attacked and murdered in northern Nigeria and across the Sahel for (literally) decades, and America has shown no interest.
          However, by the strange and bizarre rules of modern America, if there was a serious pogrom of Sephardic jews, I have no doubt that America would leap into urgent action.
          So much for the influence of the “religious right”.

          • Bonkim

            Are there any votes for protecting African Christians compared with israelis? That is democracy.

      • Melanie Reed

        That’s the odd thing though. I haven’t heard any Muslim leaders reported by any major news agency or even any minor one issue a statement of condemnation for what ISIS is doing by this massacre. Did I miss that somehow? Please show me those news reports where they have expressed outrage against this unspeakable evil and sympathy for what has been done. Thank you. Peace be with you.

        • rana

          They are doing so ALL over their own Arabic speaking MEDIA. It’s a Huge thing. But that’s not transmitted in the Western press sadly, adding to the dangerous misinformation going on. The Majority of Muslims who live in the Middle East – find ISIS abhorrent…..Indeed. So much so that they think they are financed by the West. They are a gang of criminals.

    • toco10

      Why not ask Blair,Miliband,Brown,Straw etc….exactly the numbers of these people they introduced into our little country during Labour’s disastrous thirteen years of abject maladministration.4.8 million was an estimated number without further births which I guess we also paid for and are continuing to do so.

      • peter the painter

        It wasn’t maladministered, it was utterly intentional. Old Labour trick of ‘building’ votes, applied further.

    • Donafugata

      Indeed and it is only when they have crushed the life out of any alternative that Islam becomes the religion of peace.

      That’s providing they aren’t slaughtering each other.

    • zabada

      “I am a most unhappy man. I have
      unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is

      controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The

      growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a

      few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely

      controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world – no longer a

      Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.” – Woodrow Wilson. It is Jews ,Zionist who enslave the west to
      destroy middle east.All the the chaos you see now planed by Jews in America and
      Uk.After dethrone Sunni Saddam there will be unstable state,then a
      war in Iraq.Fortunately Sunni rebel on Assad Syiah.To destroy both Syiah and
      Sunni Jews will force America not to intervene.That is what America do now.It
      is planed by Jews in America and U.K.Jews still lead the west like at the
      past.For sure.

      Jews do 9 11.Blame Muslims on that.Accusing Saddam with wmd,then
      dethrone him in order to destroy Syiah and sunni,even Iran.Jews are happy if
      Iran intervene in Iraq..by that they fare fully destroying both Sunni and
      Syiah.Now America negotiate with Iran to intervene.Obama only send 270 armies
      in Iraq.Like at the past Jews are too smart for Whites European and Arabs.See
      how they took over Russia at the past and killed Romanov family.

      Jews,.Zionist Jews started all these after 9 11.It is very clear,Jews are planning
      to destroy middle east..America being slaves to the Jews.These slaves are working for Jews survival.For sure.

    • Alienfish

      Any answer that does not work for all of nature including the reaches of infinity, which we have barely been privy to, is an incorrect one which will spell doom each time. Therefore, belief systems created exclusively for the needs of a single small sect of life (in this case humans) will always create conflict, especially when more than one belief system is competing. Taking action, therefore, will only create more conflict.

      Befriend your enemies, so our children may forge a better path together.

  • la catholic state

    The Vatican needs to start acting on behalf of persecuted Christians and regrouping Christendom. As far as I know in the past….it was always the Church that mobilised secular governments to protect Christendom. The situation is a bit different now….but there are still similarities.

  • Kitty MLB

    Obama is a very weak man and hardly defends Christians in the
    West let alone in the Middle East. Islam is completely intolerant
    and about world domination and will send Christians, Jews and
    other faiths to oblivion.
    And it was a mistake to allow those who are Muslim and intolerant
    to live amongst us in the West. We must defend these Christians
    and Jews from the Middle East and offer them sanctuary. If the
    Muslims in the West are not happy about that then they can return
    to their God forsaken deserts.We must stop pandering to Islam.

    • telemachus

      Just what do you want him to do?
      Send the marines back to Mosul?
      Think on that this situation would not have come about if his predecessor had not fancied himself as a latter day Richard Coeur de Lion

    • Donafugata

      There are frequent claims by what I suppose are Tea partiers on Breitbart that Obama is a Muslim.

      In my experience Tea Party people have absolutely no sense of humour or irony and so I can only assume that they are not joking.

      Does anyone know if Mr. O is a closet Muslim?

      • Kitty MLB

        I do believe Obama’s African father was a Muslim
        and Obama has he has always felt a connection
        With that country..and I would add it seems more
        so then the US so who knows.

        • cheshire_cat28

          Yes, HUSSEIN Obama should be a clue. His dad was a Marxist Muslim, and so is the Kenyan in the WH.

    • The Masked Marvel

      Obama doesn’t really care about any of this. His only goals were always about the complete transformation of US domestic economic policies, with a good bit of racial justice thrown in the mix. He doesn’t care about what happens in the rest of the world, doesn’t care about the US’s stance, doesn’t care about anything except ‘fundamentally transforming’ the US domestic economy and government into a totalitarian quasi-European Socialist utopia. That’s all he’s ever cared about, and all his actions as President point to this conclusion.

      He’s not weak, per se, just very, very wrong, and not very competent.

  • swatnan

    I have noticed the Spectator getting increasingly anti-Obama these day.
    The fact is Christians were getting a pretty good deal under Saddam until George Bush came in and spoilt it all.

    • Kitty MLB

      A few tyrants were removed and we spoke of the nonsense
      words ‘Arab Spring’ and thought they would all behave like
      us in the West and live happily ever after.When in reality the
      like it or not the big tyrants kept the little tyrants under control. They just like eternal war.and wish to dominate
      the world,sending all other religions to oblivion.

    • David B

      They are reflecting a growing public opinion in USA. Obama has been using government bodies, especially the IRS, to attack his opponents for political ends!

      If something does not advance his political aims then he ignores it. Obviously this doesn’t fit the bill so no finger will be lifted.

    • amongoose

      And they did OK in Egypt until Obama made sure the M.B. took over.
      Same in Libya.
      Difference being one supported an openly anti Christian group.
      Guess which one?

    • telemachus

      Your post gets to the nub of this
      No Bush
      No Christian persecution
      Perhaps
      Obama is ashamed as well

      • Alexsandr

        and your mate blair went along with bush
        and you think labour are fit to govern?

        • telemachus

          I have told you many times that Blair was a revisionist
          We will not go back to those dark days

          • Colonel Mustard

            And I have told you many times that you still voted for him three times and participated enthusiastically in his regimes.

            • telemachus

              Means to an end

              • Colonel Mustard

                Which demonstrates that you have no moral compass.

                • telemachus

                  The moral dimension is the belief in ensuring equality

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Not if it ignores consequences. Even were we to accept that equality has a single definable and measurable condition, which it does not (is Ed Miliband “equal” to a low-level public-sector administrator who is a Labour party activist?), that measure would have to be demonstrated and balanced against all consequences.

                  The prime example is the Labour party destruction of grammar schools. Promulgated on egalitarianism it had the opposite effect of destroying much social mobility in Britain and actually contributing to the rise of a greater inequality. Grammar school boys (and some girls) were the NCOs of Britain, the backbone of a respectable, stable, deferential, aspirant society, and their demise polarised into the coarse and rude private soldiery dumbed down in sink comprehensives by the BBC and the lofty officer class with their public schools and career by connection. Not a recipe for national success but rather a recipe for national disunity and strife.

                  Things might not be so bad if Labour faced the consequences of its policies with honesty. But it does not. It is in denial about all of them and merely repeats the tired and clichéd mantra wearing a cloak of re-invented deceit.

                  That negativity of outcome might serve cynical Labour interests because the more their policies create the conditions of inequality they rail against the more they have to rail about. And railing with bogus aspirations keeps them alive if of questionable relevance. “Equality”, “fairness”, “justice” are more about massaging the egos of those holding those banners, like you, rather than a genuinely desired objective. As your many revealing comments demonstrate you have no real grasp of what any of them mean. They just serve to pursue your political aims which are more about power, control and oppression.

                • Donafugata

                  Having benefitted from a scholarship to grammar school I couldn’t agree more.

                  Champagne socialists like Anthony Crossland are the most insidious of all Labourites.

                  Since not every child could go to a grammar school he made sure that no-one could.

                  The supreme irony was that grammar schools were elitist, a bit rich coming from someone like him.

    • Donafugata

      Among my English language classes I had a small group of professionals from Iraq who needed to reach a proficiency standard which would enable them to work as engineers, pharmacists, lecturers etc.

      Without exception they admitted that one had to be very careful what one said and to whom under the Saddam regime and there was a constant state of fear among the people.

      At the same time the quality of life was very good. There was infrastructure, constant water and power, AC, food in shops, health and education both for boys and girls.

      Women wore a hijab or not, Sunna could marry Shia without causing a problem. Saddam’s Iraq was secular so Muslims, Christians and Jews co-existed with non-believers.

      This is not to say Saddam was a wonderful human being but he was able to keep the lid. He understood the complexities of the artificial state with its very volatile mix of faiths and ethnicities.

      The removal of useful dictators was a massive mistake.
      Western governments are unbelievably naive.

      • swatnan

        Some truth in that; a ‘benevolent dictator’?
        ‘He understood the complexities of the artificial state with its very volatile mix of faiths and ethnicities’
        ‘Western governments are unbelievably naive’

  • misomiso

    Yes very bad for Christians; they’re paying the price for a fear in the west of provoking Islam.

  • Liz

    One choice, three options.

    • Donafugata

      Thank you, that’s what I thought.

  • Smithersjones2013

    Clearly Obama prefers those who cling to their guns over those who cling to their bibles,,,,,,

  • Conway

    Perhaps now people will wake up to the threat we have imported and which several posters below the line have been warning of for a while?

    • telemachus

      It I’ll becomes you to equate the crazy terrorists of ISIS with the mainly peace loving Muslims who live peaceably in our midst

      • Inverted Meniscus

        Tagged tripe.

      • http://owsblog.blogspot.com Span Ows

        …you seem to have missed the “British” Muslims who have even advertised their presence there!

        • telemachus

          Radicalised because of the alienation induced in them by such as these intemperate posts

          • http://owsblog.blogspot.com Span Ows

            …don’t think they commented here.

            • telemachus

              The whole tenor of the British media these last 50 years has been such that even moderate peace loving Muslims have felt alienated in the country in which now a majority of them were born
              We must take this opportunity to embrace them

              • http://owsblog.blogspot.com Span Ows

                If they are moderate and peace loving they are not Muslim. I have no problem if they decide they aren’t really Muslim but I await their admission.

                • Alexsandr

                  where are the ‘moderate and peace loving’ muslims chanting in the street protesting about ISIS, Where were they after Lee Rigbys butchering, chanting ‘not in our name’

                • Andy

                  As I recall they were quite happy to burn books in Bradford Town Hall Square.

                • telemachus

                  Do you actually know any Muslims?
                  I had the honour of growing up in one of our great northern towns with a thriving Pakistani community
                  I have lifelong cricketing Muslim friends whose life and values differ little from ours

                • http://owsblog.blogspot.com Span Ows

                  I know hundreds, I travel extensively and work with dozens: what happened when you discussed the Middle East and Israel with them?

                • telemachus

                  Indeed
                  Most of them pointed out the truth of the hijack of Muslim lands by the Israeli invader
                  But not one denied the right of the Jewish people to be there as well

                • Alexsandr

                  read the hamas covenant then.

                • telemachus

                  You understand as well as I understand that this is an organisation generated out of wanton oppression of a whole people in their own homeland
                  The whole tenor of my concerns on this thread is that if we try to oppress our Muslim co citizens we run the risk of Hamasisation within our land

                • Andy

                  Do you point out that these ‘Muslim lands’ were actually Christian Lands before the Muslims butchered and murdered their way through just as they are now doing in Mosel.

                • telemachus

                  You mean 1300 years ago
                  Sorry I apologise
                  Do you think Pope Francis should ask the Queen to initiate a crusade

                • RobertC

                  I think Benedict did touch on the problem, but not the solution, when he was Pope.

                • john king

                  Liar.

                • girondas2

                  “But not one denied the right of the Jewish people to be there as well”
                  Provided they were dead and buried.

                • QED

                  If you, a non-Muslim, have Muslim friends then they are bad Muslims.
                  Qur’an 5:51 “O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them.”
                  Qur’an 8:55 “Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve.”
                  Until Islam undergoes a reformation, explicitly denies all the hate preached in the Qur’an, and teaches young Muslims that this hate is evil, just so long will Islam be totally incompatible with Western civilization.

              • Erictheowl

                You do come out with the most unspeakable nonsense, and you never fail. Suggest you, as a self-professed Christian, go and try and live in a “peaceful” Muslim country for a year or two, then, if you survive, come and tell us all about it. Muppet.

                • telemachus

                  Mr Smartboy
                  I have spent 18 months in a Muslim country where I made a number of very good friends and where I was treated with the utmost of courtesy
                  I only wish we could accord our Muslim population the same

                • Andy

                  Did you go to Church in Saudi Arabia, hear the bells on a Sunday morning ? And now the Christian population of Mosul who are being forced to flee in the face of evil Muslim oppression. Let us hear our Muslim population condemn such unspeakable evil and lets hear it for a Fascist moron like you.

                • telemachus

                  I think you will hear it if you wait
                  Iqbal Sacranie was vociferous in such proclamations when he was in office

                • Andy

                  I don’t hear it from Fascist Scum like you.
                  I don’t hear it from across the Muslim world.

                • Wessex Man

                  The sooner you all ignore this piece of Horse**** lying scum the quicker it will go away!

                • Donafugata

                  Well if you were to be in Mosul today you would be missing Mass as your very good friends have just burned the cathedral down.

              • will91

                Since 9/11, their have been shrieks of “Islamophobia” by so-called muslim “Community leaders” and marxist politicians in a deliberate attempt to earn Muslims greater provisions with which to reinforce their ‘muslim identity’ thus furthering their detachment from British society. In short they have been repeatedly addressed by governments as “Muslims” and never as “British”.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Yes, it is interesting that the slippery invertebrates who now rule over us as puppets of Brussels never refer to the “Christian community” in Britain. In fact they are at pains to obviate it from civic and cultural life. No pandering or appeasement to that body, just prosecution for “offending” atheists, homosexuals, muslims, etc.

                  All religions are equal but some religions are more equal than others.

                • will91

                  The reality is, the government only grovels and panders to you if your religious community is known to back up threats of violence. For instance if a novelist publishes a book with historical criticisms of the war warmongering, paedophile mohammad. Something which would result in a whirlwind of Muslim rage across British cities, you can guarantee Milliband and Cameron will be the first to talk about the “grievous hurt” and “pain” inflicted on the Muslim community. The government knows that were a novel to appear criticising Hinduism, Buddhism or Sikhism, the response would be much more muted and crowds would not appear calling for the death of the novelist. As a result these other religious minorities miss out on many of the provisions afforded to protect the feelings of the muslim community. All this approach does is increase the bitterness toward the Muslim community.

          • Andy

            Lying Scum. Syria, Iraq and all these other places are none of their bloody business. If they think it is fine and dandy to go and fight with their ‘Muslim Brothers’ then we have the same right to defend our Christian Brothers.

          • Colonel Mustard

            That is an incredible deceit. Very clearly you are ignorant of the sort of messages that get posted on extreme Islamic forums in Britain. You need to understand that it is not “intemperate posts” that have generated home-grown jihad but ghettoisation and rejection of a British way of life with the folly of multi-culturalism encouraging and facilitating that separation.

            When full scale sectarian violence comes to Britain (it has already resulted in the murder of innocents) it is the Labour party and the left who will be primarily responsible. Their immigration “policy” and coercion of multi-culturalism are a self-destructive disaster.

          • girondas2

            “Radicalised because of the alienation induced in them by such as these intemperate posts”

            I doubt they read The Spectator,
            They are radicalised in their own communities, in their homes, their schools and their mosques,

            You are trying to shut down debate because you have no arguments to offer. I understand why: Islamic ghettos support many of the core constituencies left to your hollowed-out and discredited party, You will lose those soon enough, leaving you with what you deserve-nothing. It could have been so different. If you had possessed an ounce of honesty and integrity you could have been contenders, but then, if you possessed those qualities you wouldn’t be you telemachus.

  • evad666

    Any comment from HMG or do we construe this form of ethnic cleansing acceptable?

    • Conway

      The cynic in me feels that HMG doesn’t care about Christians. That is what their record in office for the last 20 years or so suggests.

    • Smithersjones2013

      Well given Cameron culled anyone who believed in anything except his victory in his cabinet reshuffle is it any surprise?

    • Colonel Mustard

      The “babbling uber-pundit” with an opinion about everything is silent on this one.

      • telemachus

        Means to an end

        • Colonel Mustard

          Silent stalking now…

          • telemachus

            No
            A deleted post in error for the Blair comment

            • Colonel Mustard

              Explanation accepted.

          • Kitty MLB

            He said “deleted post ” I cannot seem to do that
            here..the tablet doesn’t allow me to do that which is somewhat annoying.

            • Donafugata

              Same here, Kitty.

              And if I dare defy the omniscient auto-correct I get a dose of frozen keyboard syndrome.

            • Colonel Mustard

              I have found that if you delete a comment it remains as “Guest”.

              If you click on the little black downward facing arrow to the right of your own comments you should see a drop down menu that provides the options to ‘delete’ or ‘flag as inappropriate’. I presume telemachus just deleted the content and since you cannot post an empty box put in the two dots instead.

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