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Will Theresa May now become the Gordon Brown of this government?

8 June 2014

11:49 AM

8 June 2014

11:49 AM

You can judge a minister by their special advisers. Ambitious ministers surround themselves with aides who view their primary loyalty as being to the minister rather than the Prime Minister or the government as a whole. But those who are just happy to be in Cabinet accept the advisers they are sent by Downing Street and CCHQ.

Theresa May was, without a doubt, in the former category. Her aides are ferocious defenders and promoters of her. Indeed, May is, in many ways, the Gordon Brown of this government. Anyone who her team thought was interfering in her domain got their head bitten off. Even on relatively minor issues like visas for Chinese tourists, they fought like tigers. No quarter is given to those who disagreed with the Home Office line, no matter how minor the subject.

So, when Michael Gove slated the Home Secretary’s approach to one of the great issues of our time, Islamic extremism, it was inevitable that there would be a reaction. Particularly, as the civil servant who Gove criticised, Charles Farr, is in a relationship with May’s adviser Fiona Cunningham.

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But the Home Office’s reaction took aback even seasoned Westminster watchers. It didn’t just leak Cabinet correspondence attacking Gove, it published it.

This behaviour put Number 10 on the spot. Either it did nothing, which would be a de facto recognition that May’s Home Office was an independent fiefdom. Or, it moved to clip the Home Secretary’s wings, demanding that someone should carry the can.

It settled on the latter course, and last night—after a day of fraught negotiations—Cunningham resigned. In an attempt to even things out, Gove was also required to apologise. But there’s no doubt that it is the Home Secreetray who will be feeling most bruised this morning. She has lost one of her praetorian guard, a ferocious political street fighter.

The question now is how does May respond? Does she draw her horns in and simply get on with the job? Or, does she brood and encourage a desire for vengeance among her team? After all, the enforced departure of Brown’s spin doctor Charlie Whelan in 1999 didn’t exactly turn him into a team player.

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  • Gary Morris

    Islam has been the protected species in the UK for some time now allowing extremism to flourish. Labour encouraged it but although Cameron opposes it, he lacks the bottle to even address it. Forget this row with Gove, the one person who really does have the guts to deal with this cancer is Theresa May.

  • http://batman-news.com The Commentator

    May, Cunningham, Farr a malevolent bunch of self-serving nonentities obsessed with their own juvenile little ambitions and completely uninterested in the concerns and priorities of the people they are meant to be serving. Time for a root and branch clear out of these loathsome creatures. Vote UKIP in 2015.

  • Fergus Pickering

    I can’t think of any way in which Theresa May is like Gordon Brown.

    • southerner

      Both useless?

  • timbazo

    As a civil servant, Farr was unable to defend himself from the public attack that Gove launched. That just about sums up the MP for News International – the only type of fights he likes is with people with both arms tied behind their backs.

    • ButcombeMan

      Hang on, normally true but did not Farr’s, “Squeeze” launch the counter attack?

      To fully understand the great game, you have to look beyond the end of your nose and the obvious.

      Farr is a fully trained MI6 Officer. Once in that club, you never truly leave.

      • timbazo

        My understanding based on no inside info is that Gove started it by allowing himself to be interviewed by his old mates at the Times. It was not difficult for him to arrange to be asked questions for which he could give the answers that he wanted to give. Gove had found himself in a predicament and was seeking to put the blame on someone else. Give schools more freedom, as Gove has done, and sooner or later some will use it in ways that he does not like. Park View in particular seems to have done exceptionally well academically and to have the support of the parents. What is happening in these schools probably reflects their views. The suggestion that a small group of governors are forcing their views on the parents and pupils does not seem to hold. That his current predicament was entirely predictable does not say much for Gove. Likewise Gove’s recent comments insulting school governors appear very ill-judged. If sensible, conscientious people decide not to stand to be governors, they will be replaced by zealots.

        • ButcombeMan

          Gove’s position on Islamism is long standing and not a reaction to recent events.

          He has I would agree, wanted to use recent events to reiterate the core questions which he feels the Home Office has not been dealing with.

          He is correct, no doubt about it.

  • Smithersjones2013

    After all, the enforced departure of Brown’s spin doctor Charlie Whelan in 1999 didn’t exactly turn him into a team player.

    Indeed but Damian McBride crippled his leadership. Leaders like that make many enemies and May has already made her share inside and outside the party not least amongst those she oversees (the police and immigration). With the trail of resentment already following her already it’s hard to believe it won’t all end in tears for her.

    Who was it under Thatcher who most wanted her job (Heseltine?) and under Major (Portiillo?). They share one thing in common. Neither became party leader. On that basis May’s ambitions are already thwarted.

  • Daedalus

    To equate Theresa May with Gordon Brown is, is, is. Well so ridiculous as to be barely worth the comment.
    Along with Gove she has been one of the start performers of this somewhat discredited conservative coalition.

    Daedalus

  • Benedict

    ‘The question now is how does May respond? ‘

    Given that her spad did everything for her, she probably doesn’t have a clue.

  • Faceless Bureaucrat

    Cunningham is certainly no Damian McBride. What on earth possessed her to publish the leter on the HO’s own website? McBride would have got the same result but without being so amateurish and obvious…

  • HookesLaw

    An interesting if absurd speculation, which is inevitably mainly ignored by the sockpuppeting Laddies of many various persuasions.
    May will not become the Gordon Brown of this government.
    Brown was bonkers, driven by a sense of entitlement going back 30 years. Many are the Tory ‘henchpersons’ who yearn to be able to dish it out like Brown’s were allowed to. But they aren’t.
    May is stable, as is Gove, who is of course not the Machiavellian Mandelson of this govt either.

    • Grey Wolf

      May and Gove have sensed weakness in Call Me Dave and they know that his fall will coincide with that of the coalition coming apart, more or less. The problem is that in 2015 which ever party / coalition is in power will have to find 2 positions at the EU commissariat – for Nick and for Call.

  • cromwell

    Women have no place in politics, back to the kitchen with her I say.

    • Bonkim

      Muslim influence Mr Cromwell?

      • Grey Wolf

        Not really. Cromwell does have a point whether a modernist-progressive likes it or not.

        Until a few decades there were well functioning traditional social structures that served well for hundreds of years and indeed, England was a strong country with extensive political, cultural, intellectual and mercantile dominance. Feminism, and every other progressive revolution, has undermined the traditional structure and weakened this once great nation.

        This is a big subject and I cannot do justice to it in a comment section. Fyi, my interest lies in European traditionalism (linguistics, religion, thought, history – also called Indo-European / google the term) covering its core philosophical traditions that arose in pre-Christian times mostly and have their echoes in more recent times in the works of Schopenhaeur, Nietzsche, Evola, Guenon, Coomaraswamy etc.

        • Mrs Josephine Hyde-Hartley

          Well I don’t think the traditional structure of this great nation could be weakened by any kind of revolution, whether progressive or something to do with women. Surely a proper understanding of our wonderfully generous (largely unwritten) and therefore flexible UK constitution should blow some much needed relief right through your rather terribly sewn up theory.

          To me, the traditional culture of the UK can’t really affect the rights of women or real revolutionary types, thank God.

          • Bonkim

            That which is unwritten and flexible can also get tight and constrictive and force the weak to obey the bidding of the strong.

        • Bonkim

          Regrettably your intellectual trimmings hide a paternalistic and exploitative society you espouse.

          Yes in a way if you wish to expand militarily and exercise extreme Darwinism you have to keep the women in purdah and children doing what they are told – just a few in the ruling classes planning campaigns for world domination.

          Hitler adopted your theme with German women allocated procreative and home management tasks for the Master-Race. Even today German women are more likely to stay at home and look after home and Hearth than say their counterparts in Britain or the US.

          Having said that the British ruling Classes were on a slightly higher intellectual plane compared to say Chenghis Khan who one must accept headed the Super-Power of the middle Ages.

          The inevitable conclusion is that relative stability and affluence in the post-WW2 years allowed women and minorities to have greater freedoms until they posed a threat by attempting to take-over the stage.

          In a way I must admit freedom has to be fought for and women do have a biologic handicap which make them vulnerable.

  • perdix

    Equating Theresa May with Gordon Brown is cheap political journalism. Someone’s been in the Westminster bubble for too long.

  • roger

    Cameron trying, successfully so far, to hold down two of the three people who want to replace him in late 2015, the other being Boris.
    Some choice?

  • Mynydd

    What is it with Mr Cameron and special advisers. Every time he has problem with ministers a special adviser gets the sack. It also happened when Mr Hunt had back door talks with NI over Sky. Is it not time Mr Cameron had the bottle to sack minister, it’s not like they are irreplaceable, there are many standing outside No10 just waiting for an invitation.

    • Aberrant_Apostrophe

      That’s what SPAds are for: human shields – just like the LibDems, useful for diverting the flak when the proverbial hist the fan.

    • Alexsandr

      lets just get rid of the spads. Why are we all paying for them anyway? If ministers we up to the job they would not need them anyway.
      Lets have a spad bonfire.

  • Lucy Sky Diamonds

    Such a bigoted woman (!)

    • Kitty MLB

      If you are speaking of Teresa May then you couldn’t be more wrong.
      Maybe you are thinking of her opposite number the hamster chewing
      Yvette Cooper.

  • Denis_Cooper

    Before we take sides in this particular spat it is worth recalling Gove’s attitude to immigration as expressed in his 2004 article, namely that anybody who can pay £10,000 to the Treasury, either upfront or remitted later in instalments, should
    be allowed to come and share our country with us.

    • Mynydd

      Are you sure it was £10,000 to the Treasury, not £10,000 to him and the Conservative Party. They have form on this type of selling favours, last weeks by-election was only the latest.

      • Tony_E

        Mittal. Hinduja. People in glass houses….

      • Denis_Cooper

        No, definitely £10,000 to the Treasury:

        http://reason.org/files/bastiat-2004.pdf

        That was his idea of the value to be ascribed to British citizenship.

      • Inverted Meniscus

        No that would be the Labour Party the corrupt coterie of scum that you troll for.

  • swatnan

    ‘Whats going on?’ Wilson once said. ‘I’m going on!’ So with Dave.
    So this spat between Nerd and May is pretty pointless.
    (Wonder if Speccie will print this since they didn’t print my earlier one)

  • Wessex Man

    Well, am I amazed that my previous post was taken down after the title bar ‘Hold on this is waiting approval by Spectator Blogs so I’m going to try this.

    • Grey Wolf

      Speccie censorship has hardened over the past few weeks. Posts of mine have disappeared into an evil vortex randomly. I have no idea why.

      • Wessex Man

        Just found out with my repeated first sentence in which I remarked that it was Tory civil wars again.

        • Wessex Man

          which then went on to say in the second sentence- never in the History of Politics has a party been distinguised as the Tory Party able to grab defeat from the jaws of victory.

          • Wessex Man

            which then went on to say- wasn’t it dear old Theresa who told her own party that it was the nasty party so long ago and didn’t Call me Dave exploit that for all he was worth?

            • Wessex Man

              which then went on to say- Now they are reaping the harvest of those wise words with their party membership less than half it was before Call me Dave rose to fame and fooled them all.

              • Wessex Man

                So you see Grey Wolf, we must now have a not very bright Tory boy in charge of censorship, it could well be Hooky as that would be about his mark!

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  No because he would replace your post with a volley of insults.

                • Wessex Man

                  perhaps, he was having a senior moment and never noticed.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Possibly but all that bile and spite would be hard to contain.

                • Wessex Man

                  well even the deeply troubled have to rest at some time.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  True enough but perhaps you could pass that message on to Telemachus because that barking mad socialist nutter never seems to sleep.

                • Wessex Man

                  unfortunately I can’t work with solid rock.

                • Grey Wolf

                  You are right my Wessex friend. I think Hooky and Telly have formed an evil alliance and are in charge of censorship here. In these days of ”progressive conservatism” its entirely conceivable.

      • Inverted Meniscus

        Probably because you said something which could be interpreted as pro UKIP or anti-socialism. They cannot have that.

      • Mynydd

        I had two blocked when I said words to the effect, after his performance in Australia we now know Prince George will make a great king in fifty years time.

  • Grey Wolf

    ”Does she draw her horns in and simply get on with the job?”

    No ambitious politician just ”gets on with the job”. That is a phrase ambitious politicians reserve for the idiot proles. The bureaucrats are there to ”get on with the job” while the ambitious politician gets on with the pursuit of power.

    May is not so stupid to ‘get on with the job”. She knows that Call Me Dave is increasingly losing grip and waiting to be dethroned. It will be silly for her to just ‘get on with the job” now.

  • White Lightning

    No, she’s halfway competent.

  • MirthaTidville

    When the smoke clears its round one to Gove……make sure you keep the popcorn in folks

    • Grey Wolf

      Do you really think its round 1 to him? Serious question.

      He has had to apologise publicly. This is a more serious battle than we think. Once the coalition breaks (and it will), Call Me Dave will have to abdicate power (just as Nick Clegg will have to). There is a lot here at stake.

      But yes, I have got a mountain of popcorn here with extra butter. No need to rent movies. There will be some great political theatre in the weeks ahead.

      • MirthaTidville

        Yes seriously I do…I think Gove has a game paln and not merely reacting, unlike May

    • Mynydd

      When the smoke clears you’ll find Mr Cameron flat on his back.

      • Inverted Meniscus

        Says the socialist nutter whose dear leader cannot even negotiate the complexities of a Bacon sandwich.

      • Aberrant_Apostrophe

        It’s difficult to lie on your back when it’s full of knives.

      • Wessex Man

        Will Ed Miliband be on top?

  • http://english-pensioner.blogspot.co.uk/ english_pensioner

    I’d have thought she had enough work to do getting rid of illegal immigrants and foreign criminals. Clearly this is less important to her than trying to dominate the cabinet in an endeavour to try to improve her promotion prospects.

    • Alexsandr

      she could stop by banning the practice of bailing illegal immigrants. What is so hard. In the country illegally – next plane back to their birthplace.

  • Alexsandr

    Very interesting James, but you have ignored the base of this, islamification of our schools and how the government should counter that.
    You must lot let that get lost in a fog of irrelevant politicising but keep the issue of islamification of schools high on the agenda.
    if not, then what are you for?

    • Holly

      Well said!

    • ButcombeMan

      Well said indeed.

      It is easier for the Speccie schoolkids to write about politics rather than issues.

      If they write about issues, they have to think.

      • telemachus

        “…. provides the Cameron project with its moral purpose”.
        Where is the moral purpose in his Educational Social Darwinism?

        • Alexsandr

          He puts the kids first, not the staff And the self serving unions.

          • telemachus

            But only those kids fortunate enough to live near a Free School with engaged parents

            • Alexsandr

              so you want to bring everybody down to the worst standard then? This from Labour who dumbed down education and the exams.

              • telemachus

                No
                I want all schools to be elevated to the same standard
                *
                Ed was in the process of doing this when Gove started his doctrinaire destruction of the education system

                • Kitty MLB

                  Oh yes Ed Miliband placed Tristram Hunt as shadow
                  education secretary.. The same person that the excellent
                  Mr Gove needed to correct in regards to a History book
                  that Mr Hunt had just written..back to the class, in my opinion.

                • telemachus

                  Even for a Greek God?

                • Kitty MLB

                  Admittedly Tristram Hunt resembles the statue
                  of Neptune in Florence.But when I said I wish
                  for students to study the classics. I didn’t
                  actually mean to study the statuesque Mr
                  Hunt.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  Ah, so Tristram has balls, does he?

                • telemachus

                  More and better than Gove

                • Kitty MLB

                  I think not, wasp!
                  Beautiful but dim Tristram would not have the
                  balls to reform our education system and
                  promise that every child will be able to read
                  and write.Or take on the teaching unions
                  like wolves baying for blood.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  More balls? How many would that be, then?

                • Kitty MLB

                  Yes but not the usual type Fergus, not like
                  you fellows.Rather like the orb of the stone
                  statue, utterly hollow and without ompth…
                  assume that’s a word.
                  He doesn’t even have Michael Gove’s hint
                  of a soft Scottish accent let alone that man’s
                  capabilities and determination.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  But according to tele (who should know since he is Tristram’s lover, is he not?) Tristram has (at least) three balls.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Oh I forgot about tele & Tris, does Andy know?
                  At least three, good heavens! Lucky Tristram
                  is not Scottish or he would require his sporrans
                  to be specially made…the normal ones those
                  fellows wear on the kilts will not be suitable
                  for obvious reasons. As a fellow you will understand more then me.
                  I’m off out, which is good, as I might be lowering the tone of this destinguished site.

                • Alexsandr

                  ed b0110cks is a lefty bafoon who thinks you fix things by chucking money at them
                  WRONG
                  You fix things by finding the problems and fixing them. And not being detracted by those with vested interests.

                • telemachus

                  Tristram will do that

                • Alexsandr

                  oh i see. b0110cks got it wrong. so now we have to trust the vacuous tristram to have a stab at it. Cant see many thinking thats a good idea, can you?
                  and with eds paymasters in the unions pulling his strings too.

                • telemachus

                  Tristram will right the wrong of doctrinaire Gove

            • Wessex Man

              Go away you nasty slimy piece of work and peddle your filth elsewhwere.

              • Kitty MLB

                The little wasp rather enjoys buzzing around
                in a discombobulating frenzy, creating mayhem
                and rattling cages.
                He will be heartbroken when my party gets a
                majority.

      • fathomwest

        This has been contrived. Cameron has no intention to crack down on Muslim extremism, he has not got the guts. So Gove or his minder Osborne, came up with this idea and tried to screw May in the process.

        • telemachus

          Yvette is in the process of nailing May
          *
          Wonderful

          • Kitty MLB

            Yvette Cooper with her fake outrage has not a chance against
            the capable and elegant Theresa May.
            Nailing her ? At the same time as she and her husband
            the delightful Mr Balls with their carefully hidden dagger
            waiting for their chance to attack Mr Milliband.
            Conservative public disputes are far more honest then
            the underhand brutality and dishonesty of Labour.

            • telemachus

              I know
              Fun
              Is it not

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Yvette Balls another scumbag.

            • telemachus

              I think you should know that the Morley MP reads this

          • Fergus Pickering

            Yvette is what! You are joking, an unusual thing for you, I must say Yvette couldn’t run an orgy in a knocking shop.

            • telemachus

              Did you miss the sequence Fergus?

      • The Masked Marvel

        Actually, if they write about issues, they inevitably have to go on record taking a position. Only official columnists and bloggers can do that, especially if one wants to stand for office one day.

        • ButcombeMan

          No. You are wrong.

          No “position” would need to have been taken in explaining what the real debate was about to those who do not understand the issue.

          I did try to correct the lacuna in James Forsyth’s trivial post,

          I provided a link that explains,

          Most people appear not to have read it and many have indulged in wasteful sparring with the idiot troll, telemachus.

          Exactly what tele intends.

          So James unwillingness to actually address the real issue has reduced the Speccie Coffee House to meretricious trash.

          If Isabel or Fraser would get a grip, this place could be the most important UK political blog and discussion.

          it is not, because they do not.

      • Fergus Pickering

        Oh God save us from the Issues!

    • DaveTheRave

      I concur.
      It would be like squabbling, scrapping in the street about who was responsible for letting a house fire start – without calling the fire brigade. And the media are like the neighbours surrounding the couple shouting ‘Fight!’
      It would be farcical if it wasn’t so dangerous.

    • Kaine

      Well we could just get rid of all faith schools paid for by the taxpayer. No excuse for ‘Rome on the rates’.

      • BarkingAtTreehuggers

        The thing is – Rome on rates is here to stay, because as we all know: the evil EU has a spiritual centre and my word it is so obvious that that’s not located in Avignon-upon-Stour.

        • Inverted Meniscus

          Could some other socialist nutter please translate whatever this socialist nutter is trying to say?

          • BarkingAtTreehuggers

            if you had enjoyed a halfway decent education you would have no difficulties in deciphering it.

            • Inverted Meniscus

              Better educated than any socialist nutter on this thread lad. You just keep on spouting gibberish along with the rest of your socialist nutter sock puppets.

              • BarkingAtTreehuggers

                Well, go on then lad, impress us. What could I have meant with Avignon-upon-Stour? Give it your best shot, I await your response.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  I will not be expending any effort on your socialist nutter gibberish lad. With all your different sock puppets there would be no time for anything else laddie. Now go and bark at the goat.

                • BarkingAtTreehuggers

                  There we have it – a gob like a steam train but no coal to feed it. You are such a pathetic no nothing, lad – it’s shocking how you come here and put on display for all to see how uneducated and mouthy you are.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Is that what the goat thinks lad? Impossible to know with all your gibberish spouting sock puppets clogging up this thread and blathering all the time. At least I can communicate in English lad rather than riddles and gibberish. I mean, how do you manage to order a cup of tea? Or should that be cups? One each for all of your sock puppets.

                • BarkingAtTreehuggers

                  At least you put on display for all to see what a gobby no nothing you are, more like. We are done, now troll off and blow your steam at someone how gives a shot.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Talk to the goat lad it’s what you socialist nutters do. Or are any other of your sock puppets available for a chat?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Careful, if all his sockpuppets get to skyping they’ll surely blow up a server somewhere.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Thank goodness your here. I need help with this socialist nutter and his endless gibberish.

                • Baron

                  No, Inverted Menicus, you need no help, you’re doing just fine, but you’re wasting your time, the craniums of these people are empty, the goats must be bored to death..

                • Holly

                  Minions talk perfectly understandable ‘gibberish’, like the Clangers.
                  The socialist nutter talks bol*ocks.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Spot on Holz.

          • telemachus

            Ed Balls tells the truth
            *
            You would be better repeating such truths on each and every thread

            • Inverted Meniscus

              No he does not. He is the most dishonest politician since….Gordon a Brown. Nice to see Christine Lagarde kicking his worthless butt on Marr today and endorsing Osborne. I bet that felt like a kick in the sack didn’t it?

            • Holly

              More bol*ocks.

            • Wessex Man

              Much like this sad piece of slimy nasty rubbish, they all show their narrow hateful world view in the end.

      • Alexsandr

        Quite. Or mecca.

        • telemachus

          I see no difference between Church Schools and Muslim Schools
          All give our children a moral dimension to their lives

          • Grey Wolf

            Really? You are so large hearted!!

            So if a petulant, medieval Mullah with poor manners is tutoring people in the precepts of religious war that’s fine with you because it provides what you call ”a moral dimension”?

            What text book of morality do you normally refer to?

            What is the matter with you, nutter?

            • telemachus

              The point being you need a good head to control these folk
              And that includes fiddling priests

          • Alexsandr

            i see no difference between any faith schools
            they are divisive and have no place in our state system today
            look how divisive the segregated systems were and are in NI

            • Fergus Pickering

              If you don’t see any difference you are wilfully blind or an idiot.

              • Alexsandr

                so you dont see the bad effects of segregated schools in NI, then?
                there are 2 parts to this
                1 filling the heads os kids with the idea 1 religion is good and anyone who does not folllot it is somehow bad
                2 stopping the mixing of kids from different religions, there fore breeding intolerance.

                now I accept that islam schools may be worse at point 1, but I think point 2 is sound for all religious schools. It was point 2 that I was trying to make.

                no need to be insulting though is there?

                • Fergus Pickering

                  So you DO see the difference. You have your won local problems, I do see. But I am, naturally, more interested in England.

                • Alexsandr

                  ???
                  I live in the English midlands.
                  Just because I live in England does not mean I have no interest in NI issues.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  If you don’t live there you don’t really know what they are.

          • Kitty MLB

            Tell me little wasp, how many Christian schools are there
            in Islamic countries? If they live here, they live in a Christian country. People are always welcome to return home to their
            own religion and cultures.

            • telemachus

              Spoken like Farage
              I heard Lenny Henry asking How many Mosques in Barbados
              The answer is actually 3
              *
              But to answer your question we are talking about tolerant England
              Not foreign lands

              • Kitty MLB

                No, spoken like an average and tolerant
                English lady.
                Oh I forgot little wasp- Mrs Duffy, remember
                her?

                • telemachus

                  Yes
                  Gordon was correct

              • Wessex Man

                Lucky for you, you would have had your head off at dawn!

                Can we all club together to send this nasty piece of work off to Iran to sort out their education problem?

                • DaveTheRave

                  Somehow we can find billions in aid for some distant countries to help in their education, something which the present PM supports. Compare that fact with the present farce at home… Ridiculous.
                  Outrageous.
                  And that’s a mild way of putting it.

          • Fergus Pickering

            You don’t? Try this. Church schools don’t bring us up to be traitors to this country. .

            • telemachus

              Nor do well regulated Muslim predominance schools
              *
              It is Islamophobia from such as you that radicalises

              • Colonel Mustard

                “It is Islamophobia from such as you that radicalises”

                An appalling statement that reveals your dangerously twisted thinking. To suggest that an irrational fear of Islam is responsible for radicalising Islamic extremists is nauseatingly sick on several levels.

                Cart. Horse.

                • Kitty MLB

                  So according to the little wasp, that fellow with
                  the hook for a hand was pure as the driven snow
                  until he came here and we radicalized him
                  and ilk.
                  Traitorous words from anyone representing
                  the Queens opposition and gives those who
                  wish to harm us certain advantage.

              • Fergus Pickering

                Get rid of the traitrous buggers.

    • JoeDM

      Ms ‘Nasty Party’ cannot be trusted. She is yet another ‘moderniser’ on the make with little or no true Tory values.

      She is more interested in her own career than in dealing with the problem of islamofascist extremists.

      • Baron

        Quite right, JoeDM, for most of the politicians the issues are but tools to beat each other with for positions, not festering boils the people want them to solve.

      • Kitty MLB

        Well do you suppose Labour would do a better job if they managed
        to gain a majority next year. After all they introduced islamofascist
        extremists to this country.
        Its impossible to deal with the consequences of a country wrecking
        Labour agenda in just one term. And we need a Conservative
        majority to deal with these issues and not a coalition.

      • JamesB1957

        How does the Anti Slavery Bill fit this picture you paint?

    • Village idiot

      He is here to gossip. That is all he has to offer.

  • Kitty MLB

    What utterly prepoitterous statement to make. Theresa May
    is charm and grace its self. She also requires loyalty and
    and clearly does’nt wish her department to become muddled.
    Gordon Brown was a charmless, awkward man forever battling
    his own demons.
    It appears that most of these issues start and finish with special
    advisor’s who may not always make the correct choices,
    Some see themselves as far too important and others
    drowning in responsibility.And the issue of them and the
    civil service need dealing with.
    Maybe Theresa May should’nt have snapped, but quite honestly
    she was driven to It and was not the one in the wrong.

    • telemachus

      You are correct Ladybird
      It is wrong to compare Gordon and May
      *
      May is a fashion conscious power hungry but fundamentally useless feminist
      *
      Gordon was an accomplished economist that delivered at home and abroad

      • Dicky14

        Delivered perdition to normal people and passports to everyone else. And he wasn’t / isn’t an economist, he studied communist history and did his dissertation on some truculent, alcoholic Trotskyist who brought down the ship-building industry.

      • Hexhamgeezer

        Be honest, even you couldn’t keep a straight face typing that last line!

        • Holly

          Even I smiled at that one.

      • Inverted Meniscus

        Brown was an arrogant, incompetent, worthless coward.

        • Alexsandr

          incompetence implies allowing stuff to happen. He actually did harm on purpose.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Apologies. You are quite right he was deliberately destructive and we should never tire of reminding people of the unmitigated harm brought about by his regime.

      • Alexsandr

        accomplished economists dont sell gold at low,

    • MirthaTidville

      I can think of many words to describe May, but charm and grace would`nt be two of them I`m afraid… indecision and shallow thinking most definitely though

  • MalcolmRedfellow

    Gove’s SpAds have perpetrated far worse, far more often than Ms Cunningham.

    Gove’s expenses saga took troughing to new depths. Yet he got away with that, far easier than lesser breeds without the Cameron law.

    Mrs May has publicly been studiously loyal to the party line. She has not transgressed beyond her brief. Her Department (after years of chaos) seems to work. Can any of the same be said of Mr Gove?

    • Alexsandr

      anyway, why do we need these spads at public expense. If ministers want spads they should pay for them from their considerable salary.

  • Hello

    Except that it’s Gove that’s the destabilising force here. He’s already managed to tarnish his own reputation, and if it wasn’t for the fact that he has such a large and loyal media network he would be for the chop.

    May shouldn’t have snapped, but if she keeps shtum then it’s hardly going to derail her, and the media will get bored of Gove eventually.

    • telemachus

      Gove is evil
      He is destroying education
      We must use this to destroy him

      • MirthaTidville

        No your lot did that, utterly and comprehensively..You want to destroy him becuase he knows what he is doing, can anyone ever say that of say Gordon Brown eh????…answers on a postcard please

        • telemachus

          He must be destroyed soon before he damages more of our children

          • Alexsandr

            who? Brown?

      • Swiss Bob

        Gove doesn’t hero worship Stalin or want to see people in gulags and death camps, unlike you.

        • Kitty MLB

          And Michael Gove wishes our children to have
          hope of achieving the very best they can through
          education.Aspiration instead of despiration,
          that’s why Labour take umbridge with
          Michael Gove and wish him gone.

          • telemachus

            If that is what he wants
            He should disown Educational Social Darwinism

            • ButcombeMan

              He has done, he wants every child to have opportunity, not just the sons of wealthy marxists in North London

              • telemachus

                Then why does he leave pupils in failing comprehensives for years next to shiny new Free Schools

                • Colonel Mustard

                  That’s down to your Labour activist infested LEAs that is.

                • Mynydd

                  So why hasn’t Mr Gove cleared Labour activist out of LEA’s? He has had over four years to do so. That would have resulted in an improvement in thousands of state funded schools.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  So you approve of being able to arbitrarily fire people. Good. That should reduce the number of socialist nutters destroying British society.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Go away and yap `at some other commentator’s ankles you dreary Labour troll. I’m not interested in your “So…” questions. If you want to make a point make it yourself.

                • telemachus

                  I truly apologise for the rudeness of the High Sheriff
                  I will email to you the link direct to Isabel and Fraser
                  It, I think, is getting to the point of there being enough for proscription

                • Wessex Man

                  not only are you a slimy nasty piece of work, you are as thick as two short planks.

                • telemachus

                  I will brook no criticism from adherents to Le Pen, Wilders, Michaloliakos, Farage and other adherents to morally indefensible creeds

                • Wessex Man

                  After reading your nasty racist, slimy remarks on other threads, I’ll take my chances with Le Pen & Wilders, your solutions to events, we already know involve putting pesky people who don’t agree with you in camps!

                • glurk

                  I dont know why anyone wastes a brain cell on the oik Telemachus…he adds nothing to any argument except hiatus

                • glurk

                  But on a wet Wednesday it can be amusing trying to work out who pays him to do it I suppose.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Typical bullying from a Labour troll.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Because, if he has any sense, he is trying to force the closure of those failing comprehensives and driving their worthless teachers onto the dole queue whilst giving parents a choice. It seems a good idea to sensible people but not raving socialist nutters like yourself.

                • telemachus

                  But
                  But
                  But
                  He should have the courage to close them
                  Not to wait for them to wither over 5 to 7 years while those children within usually disadvantaged with non engaged parents get worse and worse education
                  He is condemning them to the gutter

                • Lucy Sky Diamonds

                  Bring back grammar schools.

                • Holly

                  So do you reckon the people in charge of the failing comps should be swiftly dumped and replaced by people who are better able to function under a tougher education ethos?
                  IF not.
                  Why not?

            • Wessex Man

              Come on you slimy nasty piece of work please lay out in detail Gove’s Educational Social Darwinisim in detail.

      • David B

        Tele you should change your ID picture to a headless chicken!

      • Wessex Man

        is he as evil as you? you slimy nasty piece of work.

        • telemachus

          Whatever I am, I do not try to bring down the racial tolerance of our youth

          • Wessex Man

            liar, liar pants on fire!

      • JStalin

        Comrade, if by destroy you mean liquidate then do not hold back, Gove is an enemy of the party, all enemies of the party must be liquidated. If you are not for the party then you are against it and will be liquidated.

        • telemachus

          Uncle Joe would never declare his hand

      • Holly

        You are starting to talk like a dalek now.
        Stop it.
        Has talking bol*cks got too testing even for you?

    • ButcombeMan

      Gove is right, he usually is. He has a first class brain. He was of course wrong to name Charles Farr publicly. So Gove deserves his bollocking and minor discomfiture. That is a function of the way he rubs people up the wrong way. He cannot tolerate fools.

      May is a fool, as her “nasty party” remark showed. Did she think that remark through? Did she appreciate the damage it would do? It seems clearly not. She apparently lacks the brains to do that.

      May was deeply wrong to publish her response, she should really be fired but we must not get diverted into thinking too much about the spat, this link article spells out the real issues:

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10882891/We-cant-avoid-the-the-threat-of-Islamism.html

      The article spells out a long standing truth about the way the UK has dealt with closed immigrant communities. May (and maybe even Farr, good chap though he is) are both captured by the old leftish, typical Civil Service, model. Gove is frustrated by that toleration model and wants more pro active engagement. Given the history and the serious dangers Gove is undoubtedly correct. Farr would do well to listen. I am sure he is doing.

      May is not showing the intellectual capacity required to function without Special Advisors or the capacity to challenge the “accepted pojnt of view” on almost anything. She is vastly over rated. She sits on her hands over difficult issues. She lacks leadership skills.

      She will stay in place because it is too late to mover her with dignity and Cameron, like her, is often a “hand sitter”.

      Of the three, Cameron, May & Gove, which is the most essential to a future Conservative Party?

      I suggest Gove.

      But Gove, in the words of the Blessed Margaret, needs a “Willie” to smooth his passion with recipients

      • Hello

        Gove is not essential to the future of the Conservative party. Rather the opposite. He’s a long term liability to the narrative of the way the Conservative party operates.

        When the Conservative party is eventually out of government, and the government of the day is passing judgement on what the Conservatives did in office, Gove’s unnecessary public spats will be the characterisation of it.

        He’s sh*tting all over the place.

        • ButcombeMan

          Focus on the issue. The issue is not Gove or May.
          You responded so quickly you probably did not read the link article I provided.

          • Hello

            I read what you wrote after the link, I understand what the article was about. I disagree that that’s the issue here, that will be debated in it’s own right regardless. The issue here is one of presentation.

            • ButcombeMan

              So I correctly perceived that you had not read the link?
              To suggest that such a serious issue can be sidelined in favour of a minor presentational fracas, is to miss the whole point of the serious issue.

              I do not think you do understand. The “issue” was NOT being debated properly at the Home Office. THAT is Gove’s point.
              It was outwith May’s capacity to deal with it. It was in the “too difficult” tray.

        • Colonel Mustard

          “Rather the opposite. He’s a long term liability to the narrative of the way the Conservative party operates.”

          Interesting insight. Why is that then? Not left wing enough?

      • the viceroy’s gin

        It’s not about smoothing “his passion”, as he’s a committed neocon and big government bubble guy, and of little long term use to any conservative ambitions. Gove’s hysterical, insane rage at not getting his vote to go bombs away in Syria is the truest indicator of the true him and what he thinks is important. Neither he or May is suited for what is needed next, temperamentally and philosophically.

        • ButcombeMan

          I agree, I also think he was wrong about Syria.

          He is not wrong about everything. He worries the socialists and extreme left more than any other politician because of that.

      • The Masked Marvel

        Indeed, it seems that Gove’s biggest error to was shine a light on how compromised the Home Office is at the top. That goes beyond the single issue. Although, Gove ought to be facing more serious questions about his own department’s failure on Islamo-fascism. One wonders if too many in the media are more timid about that particular problem than about physical acts of terrorism.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          He also needs to be facing serious questions about why it is he’s so passionate to help islamofascists in Syria, as they seek to slaughter Christians.

        • ButcombeMan

          Yes. That is it.

          Of course the heart of the problem is that the Cabinet Home Affairs Committee, is led by Nick Clegg and Ken Clarke.

          No one would serioulsy think either had much grasp on the reality of what needs to be done about anything much, especially Islamism. Neither would be prepared to ask critical questions.

          That is Cameron’s fault.

          He should never have ceded such a post to Clegg. It meant that May had Norman Baker “dumped” on her by Clegg (who was allegedly trying to give a Cabinet job, in turn, to as many of his people as he could). Corrupt of course. Should be about competency, but thus are we governed. Especially in coalition.

          If May had much real power or influence she would have rejected that ploy but she kept her head down. Just by lasting in the Home Office, with no enormous cock-ups, she hoped to get noticed. To a certain extent that has worked. Many who do not understand the game are taken in by her.

          • The Masked Marvel

            Yet when Pamela Geller or some daft American preacher want to visit London, May acts quick as lightening to address the threat to the nation. Egged on by the media, no doubt.

            • ButcombeMan

              That is quite deliberate, egged on by her those advising her.

              It creates a media illusion of a fast acting, finger on the button, decisive politician, but over nothing much of significance at all.

              It is comical to watch so transparent is it. Yet the MSM commentators, do not seem to understand the game, her game, so they play along.

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