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Nigel Farage is trying to modernise Ukip

5 June 2014

1:57 PM

5 June 2014

1:57 PM

Get Nigel Farage talking about Ukip and its political strategy, and you’ll soon notice how he uses the phrase ‘New Ukip’ to describe the party’s more targeted approach. It is a sign that, unlikely as it may seem, Farage is a moderniser.

Farage knows that Ukip needs MPs at Westminster if it is to become a permanent presence on the political scene. He also knows that to win these seats it is not enough to just appeal to disillusioned Tories. So, Ukip trying to broaden its reach, to win over disaffected Labour voters even at the risk of alienating some of its existing support.

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The party made some inroads into the Labour vote during the European Election campaign with its talk of how immigration had held down workers’ wages and its argument that only withdrawal from the EU could stop mass immigration. But it knows that come the general election, Labour will try and win these voters back by attacking Ukip as a ‘Thatcherite’ party who’ll charge you to see your GP. So, Farage is trying to inoculate Ukip against these charges. Expect to see him repeatedly stressing how Ukip is committed to a universal NHS that is free at the point of use. Also note how on the Andrew Marr show he denied that Ukip was going to be a new Thatcherite party.

But as I say in the column this week, the challenge for Farage is to modernise Ukip without making it look like just another political party. ​


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  • pajeroexceed

    UKIP has the essential commodity of ‘ TIME ‘ on its side, A few short years from now the situation in the UK will be screaming out for UKIP and by then it will be up and running like a finely oiled Swiss watch…

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  • pointlesswasteoftime

    UKIP will never get a parliamentary representation sizeable enough to make any difference. They are obviously wrong ‘uns.

  • gg

    Considering their new Welsh MEP was in the news yesterday for shipping in care workers for his family firm from the Philipines and renting out ‘bunkhouses’ for them to stay in, then the new UKIP asian Yorkshire MEP who was in the news as his Curry House was raided for employing illegal immigrants, UKIP is looking to be what the BNP have always said they were; a safety valve party that are misleading voters that they are an anti mass immigration party.

  • Q46

    If Farage is for the NHS status quo, next stop renegotiated EU membership, immigration realy, honestly, is really, really OK.

    If he is for the NHS, he loses my vote.

    • Tom

      I don’t see anyone else rushing to leave the EU.

  • BarkingAtTreehuggers

    James Delingpole has conclusively nailed it yet again on other pages, as many others have done before him (me, tee hee).

    The outcome of that discussion about modernisation are conclusive.

    Thatcherite libertarianism and small government ont the one hand and the discrimination on the grounds of free labour movement which is a fundamental prerequisite of free markets on the other are NOT, I repeat, are NOT compatible. There is nothing further to discuss. It is, as always, as simple as that.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      …does your barking sockpuppet ever bark at your goat sockpuppet, lad?

      • Inverted Meniscus

        You should see his comment below solid gold socialist nutter gibberish.

  • Smithersjones2013

    The idea that a 20 year old party needs ‘modernising’ is risible and demonstrates the puerile journalistic spin from within the Westminster Freakshow used to denegrate UKIP. Once again we see Tory propagandists trying to transpose the Tories most serious problems onto other parties.

    However, the idea that UKIP will evolve and mature as its support grows and encompasses a wider range of views is inevitable, predictable and irrefutable as it would be with any party that is coming of age…….

    • HookesLaw

      So evolving and maturing is not modernising?
      I suggest to you that maturing is the opposite of evolving. Evolution is the creation of something new which has the propensity to survive. is becomong ‘modern’.

      • Smithersjones2013

        Well your grasp of language is a poor as your grasp on reality generally then……..

      • Grey Wolf

        You have a lot to learn…and you also need to evolve…you have got some catching up to do in the whole monkey-to-man business.

        • HookesLaw

          You are the one who is the dead end Neanderthal.

      • Smithersjones2013

        I responded once but Disqus didn’t like it so let me put it in very simple terms so even you Hooky can understand.

        Evolution and Maturation are natural responses to changes in somethings conditions (e.g.. the passing of time, long term environmental changes etc). People have little or no control over evolution or maturation. There is no conscious control over either.

        Modernisation is a conscious act by people to update something.

        See the difference?

        Furthermore it is worth considering that attempting to modernise something when it is going through significant evolutionary change or the environment around it is changing significantly is a risky and potentially damaging thing to do.

        For example, lets look at Cameron’s modernisation project started when Blair was in power to create a pseudo Blairite party out of the old Tory party. Then Blair was discredited and removed from power by his own party and eventually his supporters have been purged. There was a major change in the political environment. However Cameron persisted with his modernisation project and as a result, he failed to win a majority when it was there for the taking, he has halved his party’s membership, split the centre right vote and allowed a minor party to become more significant than it would have ever dreamed of only 4 years ago. Something that has only happened once previously in electoral history. Worse still his modernisation project has probably condemned this country to a period of left wing government when it hasn’t recovered from the last left wing government. WIthout question it was an enormous failure.

        Now if you wish to continue arguing with me please prove how an amoeba 400 million years ago planned to ‘modernise’ itself to become a human being in the last million years?

      • Smithersjones2013

        I responded once but Disqus didn’t like it so let me put it in very simple terms so even you Hooky can understand.

        Evolution and Maturation are natural responses to changes in somethings conditions (e.g.. the passing of time, long term environmental changes etc). People have little or no control over evolution or maturation. There is no conscious control over either.

        Modernisation is a conscious act by people to update something.

        See the difference?

        Furthermore it is worth considering that attempting to modernise something when it is going through significant evolutionary change or the environment around it is changing significantly is a risky and potentially damaging thing to do.

        For example, lets look at Cameron’s modernisation project started when Blair was in power to create a pseudo Blairite party out of the old Tory party. Then Blair was discredited and removed from power by his own party and eventually his supporters have been purged. There was a major change in the political environment. However Cameron persisted with his modernisation project and as a result, he failed to win a majority when it was there for the taking, he has halved his party’s membership, split the centre right vote and allowed a minor party to become more significant than it would have ever dreamed of only 4 years ago. Something that has only happened once previously in electoral history. Worse still his modernisation project has probably condemned this country to a period of left wing government when it hasn’t recovered from the last left wing government. WIthout question it was an enormous failure.

        Now if you wish to continue arguing with me please prove how an amoeba 400 million years ago planned to ‘modernise’ itself to become a human being in the last million years?

    • Smithersjones2013

      I would appreciate if the administrator would free up my other post on this line of debate as I feel that a post censored for quoting the scientific latin name for human beings as being one piece of crass Disqus/ Coffee House censorship too far!

  • Grey Wolf

    ”He also knows that to win these seats it is not enough to just appeal to disillusioned Tories.”

    Well, its not just the disillusioned Tories that UKIP are after. Its also the white working class completely abandoned by New Labour. But the bubble denizens still have not understood that. UKIP are a polarising factor – patriots v. globalists.

  • Mynydd

    New UKIP, new hypocrisy. Mr Nathan Gill the newly elected UKIP MEP, along with Mr Farage, campaigned on UKIP’s major policy of opposition to unlimited migration from eastern Europe. It has now come to light he employed dozens of eastern Europeans and Filipino workers in his family care company. He also provided ‘bunkhouse’ accommodation for his employees and others who had migrated from eastern Europe.

    • Inverted Meniscus

      Fascist Labour same lies.

      • HookesLaw

        No, he has admitted it. This is just the latest example of kipper candidate lying and hypocrisy. You dummies are so dumb you cannot see you are being taken for a ride even when it reaches up and bites you on the bum.
        He put them into bunkhouses and charged them 50 quid a week.
        What an absolute shower. Now this guy is earning a fat salary and expenses for doing nothing and laughing at the nutjobs who put him there.
        What a sight all you dumbo’s will make… Standing on your heads whilst you type your usual ritual excuses.

        • Inverted Meniscus

          I am a Conservative supporter and voter. I hate the Labour Party with every fibre of my being because it actively works to keep the less privileged poor and is authoritarian, anti-democratic, anti freedom of speech and monumentally dishonest. Thus when Trolls like Telemachus or Mynydd come along peddling their poisonous rubbish, I oppose them.

          • HookesLaw

            How can you deny somebody who is telling the truth and stating cold hard verifiable facts.

            • Inverted Meniscus

              I really have no interest in this dialogue old boy. Kindly get lost.

              • HookesLaw

                Grow up.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  You really are a very unpopular chap on these threads aren’t you. It is not difficult to see why. Now FO.

          • Mynydd

            My comment was in respect to UKIP, it was not about Conservatives, Lib Dems, Labour or any other party. It is not healthy to allow your hatred of the Labour party to take over your brain. Facts are facts whether you like then or not.

      • Mynydd

        Which bit is a lie. Is it now the case that UKIP no longer oppose unlimited migration from the EU and will welcome them with open arms. I must admit bunkhouse accommodation maybe better than a shed with a bed but I don’t think by much. With respect to Mr Gill, I have only written what he has already said on television.

        • Inverted Meniscus

          You are a Labour troll and your opinion is valueless.

        • Tom

          Labour Party have had numerous s~x offenders represent them but common sense would lead you to consider not all Labour representatives are perverts.

  • saffrin

    So, the media eventually catch on to the fact that, after thirteen years of Labour’s proven treason and treachery, UKIP offer far more to traditional Labour voters than they ever did to disgruntled Tories and all of a sudden Nigel Farage is a ‘moderniser’?

    • the viceroy’s gin

      Good point.

      We’ve long had Dave the metrosexual kidult blathering about attracting new voter blocs, frothing up the water and heating the ocean with nothingness, to no electoral effect besides a negative one, and then suddenly, along comes brother Nige, striding up and snagging whole swaths of votes, without spilling a drop from his soon to be downed glass.

      I make Dave out to be politically incompetent, then.

  • saffrin

    “Labour will try and win these voters back by
    attacking Ukip as a ‘Thatcherite’ party who’ll charge you to see your GP.”

    A bit rich coming from the party that introduced tuition fees and had portraits of Margret Thatcher commissioned.

    • Tom

      Didn’t Labour introduce PFI’s which is a form of privatisation.

      • DWWolds

        And aren’t GPs effectively privatised as they are self-employed.

  • Denis_Cooper

    “… the challenge for Farage is to modernise Ukip without making it look like
    just another political party.”

    What, do you think that he might make it look like just another political party
    which is determined to keep us in the EU at all costs, and which in fact doesn’t
    want to govern the country as it likes to pretend to the voters but instead wants
    to have the country governed by the EU?​

    You mean, like the Tory party, the Labour party, the LibDem party?

    Small risk of that, when the commitment to remove us from the EU has always
    been enshrined in the UKIP constitution as the paramount objective of the party
    and that could only be changed with the agreement of its members.

  • Tom

    UKIP as one thing going for it which makes it different to the other parties, it is anti EU and against mass immigration unlike the pro EU conglomerate.

    • telemachus

      But these are just the things that are delivering our prosperity
      Do you imagine we could survive the economic collapse that just the threat of pullout from the EU would engender
      I do not need to remind you of the UCL study that showed the benefit of immigration to the economy

      • saffrin

        We’re subsidising the EU is hard cash, jobs and free health care you idiot and we’re still doing better than most.
        How much better would things be for our starving homeless if we didn’t have to babysit the rest of Europe?

      • Smithersjones2013

        What prosperity? It may be lining your pockets but it isn’t lining most people’s. Haven’t you heard there is a cost of living crisis? Even that misfit Miliband knows that……..

        PS UCL Study? You mean the European Immigration study written by European immigrant academics that says European immigration is good for Britain. Go figure…….

      • Grey Wolf

        UCL study? Are you serious? Are you kidding everyone on these blogs? What is the matter with you?

        • Inverted Meniscus

          He is a socialist nutter that is what’s the matter.

    • Smithersjones2013

      What UKIP has going for it is the opportunity to offer policies which because of the EU blocking them, cannot be offered by pro EU establishment parties.

      For example universal immigration quotas, security for the London Stock Exchange from Brussels interference, the scrapping of VAT on domestic energy bills and the expansion of water capacity in the South East to meet demand resulting in the ending of water rationing in drought periods.

      There will no doubt be many many other possibilities as well.

    • HookesLaw

      Polls show the numbers supporting staying in the EU growing.

      • Smithersjones2013

        Perhaps but the number favouring withdrawal is still significantly greater than UKIPs current poll share. Therefore there is plenty of room to expand UKIPs support by following such a policy.

        In anycase more fool Tory blue donkeys (the likely group who are swelling the ‘In’ numbers) for believing Cameron’s posturing that he can deliver significant positive change in the EU.

        When they realise they’ve been duped AGAIN plenty will change their minds……

        • HookesLaw

          Its gone up so you are losing the argument. Why? Don’t ask me… but pretending that the facts do not exists sily shows you live on another planet.

          • Smithersjones2013

            Is your grasp of the English language that bad? I did not deny the figures. I highlighted firstly why that they do not matter currently to UKIP and then why it might change in the short to medium term future. Until there is a referendum and a campaign the polls figures are irrelevant…….

            Really if you insist on playing this game do buck your ideas up. I’m beginning to think the real Hooky has gone on holiday and left a sock puppet in his place…….

            • HookesLaw

              Despite vasts amount of publicity people are not indicating any desire to leave the EU. Numbers thinking its best to stay have gone up. How can you say that does not matter to u!IP who claim to want to leave the EU.
              This is the point I was repying to … someone saying that leaving the EU was the big differentiating factor for UKIP.

              In fact of course its not. Its UKIPs intolerance which is it’s differentiating quality. We have already seen how one of its new MEPs is quite happy to imort cheap European labour. Just so long as he does not put them up on a house next to Saint Nigel eh?

              • the viceroy’s gin

                …well, we do have some real polling data, wherein the pro-sovereignty UKIP won a national election, and you EUSSR loving Camerloons finished a humiliating third.

                That is, if you’re interested in real data from real voters, which you socialists aren’t, generally speaking.

                • HookesLaw

                  73 % voted against UKIP, laddie.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …and a whole lot more voted against you socialist Camerluvvies, laddie.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …oh and I forgot to ask, how’s that humiliating 3rd place washing down for you, lad?

                • Wessex Man

                  Aore aginst Tory babe.

              • Smithersjones2013

                Oh for goodness sake. Can ‘t you read?.

                1) I pointed out its not important CURRENTLY.

                2) UKIP are currently polling something like 15-20% in national Westminster polls. The number of people who would withdraw from the EU is in the of 35-45% range. Therefore there are plenty of people for UKIP still to persuade to vote for them who want to leave the EU. UKIPs growth is not restricted by their EU policy at this time and therefore that the ‘ins’ are rising is not of material importance right now given 3 below

                3) The change is probably down to Tories moving from out to supporting Cameron’s fake referendum/in position (just as Carswell and Hannan have done) and when Cameron either loses the election or is proved a fraud or a failure because what Brussels offers doesn’t come close to British voters expectations, figures for withdrawal will rise again.

                As for your crass comments on immigration nobody as far as I am aware is talking about banning immigration (which is the logical conclusion to your delusion) and if you cannot ‘differentiate’ between that and controlling this country’s borders and immigration and therefore the size of this country’s population to some extent and cannot see the importance of the latter in terms of public services housing employment etc then it will take more than the counselling I have previously suggested you receive to rectify your mental health

              • Wessex Man

                oh dear, deary.

      • Grey Wolf

        Remember…monkey-to-man…that’s evolution. You have some work cut out for you.

        • HookesLaw

          You are the one with the bright red backside and the simian grin. Polls have show support for the EU rising. Any comment on that? No thought not.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            Comment? How about you EUSSR loving Camerluvvies are showing your true nature, as if anybody ever doubted it .

      • Tim Reed

        You are wrong – times are changing…

        ITV News poll: UK public split on EU membership

        The British public is split on whether or not Britain should
        remain in the EU, according to an ITV News Index poll carried out by ComRes. 40% said they would vote to stay in the EU if there was a referendum tomorrow while 42% would vote to leave.

        http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-06-05/public-comres-eu-referendum/

  • Chris Morriss

    Being charged to see a GP is exactly the sort of thing that would incline me to vote for a particular party. Such a French-style method of providing health services is long overdue.

    • telemachus

      Fine for you
      What about those in Tower Hamlets who cannot afford shoes for the kids

      • saffrin

        Send them and their parents back to where they came from.

      • Grey Wolf

        They can steal your shoes, that is if you have any. Once done, your pension fund can be released to fund more shoes for them. What? You need money for dentures? Well, that can wait. Live on liquids, you numpty.

    • Tom

      The NHS can’t continue in its current state, this will be the last election where mentioning privatizing it will cause such a fuss.

    • DWWolds

      I would be inclined to vote for any party that admits the NHS needs a root and branch reform – and has the courage to argue that case with the electorate.

  • swatnan

    Its like making a silk purse from a crocodile’s tears.

    • telemachus

      The relevance of crocodile here is that they have snapped off the legs of the Tories to deliver Westminster to the forces of reason next May

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …good Gaia, do you socialist nutters have to abuse the animals on top of everything else?!?

  • William_Brown

    Oh, please, no. Don’t bland out Nige, it’s much more fun with you around.

    • telemachus

      Fun
      Fun?
      He has lowered the tone of political debate 8 notches in the last 2 months
      Let us pray Newark are giving him a bloody nose

      • Inverted Meniscus

        No you lower the tone around here with your support for the Fascist Labour Party.

      • Grey Wolf

        Forget his bloody nose. Your nose has been running for the last 2 days. Wipe your face, collect your clay toys and go home.

  • Matthew 88

    Who cares. Lib/Lab/UKIP – they’re all the same.

    • telemachus

      Absolutely not
      Labour stand for caring for all
      Including the cares not to promote collapse of the economy by withdrawal from Europe
      And caring for the old by ensuring the supply if immigrants to expand GDP as the indiginous population grows

      • saffrin

        And yet another idiotic post from telemachus.

        • telemachus

          So you approve of the moral decline represented by Ukip

          • Tom

            They have a long way to go to catch up with this lot.
            http://conspiracytruths.co.uk/mpscovictedofsexoffense.html

          • saffrin

            The moral decline is Labour.
            Thirteen years of promoting perverts. Racist rape, illegal wars, hypocrisy, lies, spin.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            How could this country possibly suffer a greater moral decline than it did between 1997 and 2010 under the Fascist Labour regime. Lies, spin, cash for honours, illegal wars, expenses scandal, unecessary deaths at mid-Staffs.

            • HookesLaw

              I’m curious… In what way was the labour govt fascist?
              Fascism is based around nationalism racial superiority and purity and crude racial stereotyping.
              Cue which party there then…?

              • Inverted Meniscus

                Fascism is actually a highly authoritarian philosophy with the state seeking to regulate every aspect of people’s lives. Nazism introduced all of the racial superiority rubbish. Labour is a highly authoritarian and anti-Democratic Party which hates any opinion contrary to its own.

                • HookesLaw

                  Its absurd to say that a democratic socialist party for all its wrong headedness and contradictions and general stupidities is a fascist party. Are Scandanavians governed by fascists? The labour party is subsidised by trade unions who want to influence its agenda. That persuades me to vote against it, but it does not make it fascist.
                  Such talk is as bad as all the wrong headed use of the term ‘neo-con’.
                  There are a million reasons to criticise labour. Calling them fascist simply brushes them under the carpet.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  It works for me lad.

          • Grey Wolf

            I don’t approve of your senility but can I do something about it?

            • the viceroy’s gin

              Well, he’s a fascist, so he’s probably got the appropriate ageist solution for himself.

  • anyfool

    It is a given that UKIP can only acquire seats by splitting votes from Labour, it just needs a sensible message to people who are actually working for a living in both sectors.
    It will never get votes from the permanent idle, it will never get votes from the faux middle class who infect the public sector, everyone else is up for grabs.

    • telemachus

      Electoral demography dictates delivery of 42 Tory marginals to Labour
      They are unlikely to pick up one Labour seat
      At most they will get 3 in total

      • Tom

        I would be amazed if they don’t pick up Labour seats,the Labour Party do not appear as sure as you are which is a pity.

        • telemachus

          They may dent the majority
          Splitting Labour votes does not deliver seats to the Tories
          Perhaps the LibDems
          However splitting the Tory vote delivers 43 Tory marginals direct to Labout

          • Tom

            Only time will tell but I will still be shocked if UKIP don’t take seats from Labour.

            • Mynydd

              I’ll be shocked if UKIP take any seat. They didn’t take a council.

              • Tom

                One of us will have a REAL shock then in 2015.

      • Smithersjones2013

        The marginal argument only works if the voters UKIP attracts in the marginals (not nationally) are disproportionately Tory. That may not be the case

        We have already seen in Kent, in what were Labour marginals in 2005, UKIP replacing Labour as the Tories main challengers. There is nothing to say that that may also happen in a number of Tory marginals this time around. After all in Newark Labour should be the main challenger to the Tories but that just ain’t happening.

        As Miliband’s shallow and ineffectual public persona crumbles.we may see this more and more.

        Anyone for a Bacon Butty?

        • Mynydd

          UKIP cannot trump anything they don’t have any power. Did they say which tax they would raise to cover the loss of energy’s 5% tax or do you think the tax was levelled at 20%.

          • Smithersjones2013

            Its not UKIP policy currently, I was pointing out that there are numerous opportunities that UKIP could exploit which the other parties would not because of their support of the EU..

            However, regarding the cost of scrapping the 5% VAT on domestic energy bills I have read it was estimated (in the Telegraph IIRC) at around £2 billion cost to the Treasury.

            Now £2 billion is well within the savings from no longer subsidising the EU that withdrawal under UKIP would bring or that could be identified by say rationalising the International Aid budget or making other public sector savings.

            As for not having any power given how Cameron, Clegg and Miliband have been running around like headless chickens since the UKIP rising last year I’d love to see what would happen if UKIP did have some power!

            PS Now given your assumption that one has no choice but to raise taxes elsewhere to cut a tax, I assume you must be a Labour party supporter ,,,,

            • Mynydd

              It’s logic, when a tax is cut to balance the books, that is not increase the deficit, another tax must be raised or spending cut. When will we know which it will be.

        • 1Adam2014

          Vote UKIP just to avoid another Tory or Labour Government http://www.lawfulrebellion.org

      • HookesLaw

        Say that a bit louder please. Voting UKIP delivers a labour govt.
        What will be Farages clause 4 moment then as new UKIP decides to ditch old kipper policies? Stay in the EU? Double the minimum wage? Tax and spend?
        The only policies UKIP has which appeals to any likely current labour voter are its racist anti immigrant ones. But really this is what any new UKIP will be, a flashier version of the BNP, going after the redneck vote.

        • Smithersjones2013

          Really? UKIP has already replaced Labour in Kent and increasingly in Essex (what happened in Thurrock?), Lincolnshire, Yorkshire, Humberside, Norfolk, Suffolk and even in Newark where is the Labour challenge there and numerous other places.

          Be careful what you wish for Hooky or else you may just create that worst of all worlds that you rage and rant against where the only party that does lose out to UKIP is the Tories

          • Mynydd

            Please tell me how many councils UKIP control in Kent and Essex and also how many councils Labour control in those areas we can then go onto the other shires.

            • Smithersjones2013

              UKIP control no councils yet in Kent but Labour has only one. However, UKIP have replaced Labour as the official opposition on Kent County Council already and won all bar one of the council areas in this years Euros. When the council elections take place next year UKIP will likely make many more gains in Kent than Labour.

              In Essex a similar scenario is true. UKIP have as many seats on the county council as Labour and in large part stopped Labour from winning Sturrock amongst others. I am not aware of any council where Labour have a majority in Essex.

              .

              • Mynydd

                So that’s it official, UKIP do not control a single council.

        • 1Adam2014

          engage brain before spouting moronic Lefty crap We have every right to be angry over Mass Immigration

  • JoeDM

    Its the lack of trendy-lefty political correctness that is very attractive about UKIP !!!!

    • telemachus

      No
      The attraction is the Blair echo
      Immigration, immigration immigration

      • Wessex Man

        You sad sad sad old fool old fool old fool!

        • telemachus

          No
          Those are the ageing adherents to Ukip

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Whereas you are the type of scum who supports the Fascist Labour Party. The party of lies, lying, filthy liars and incompetents.

    • you_kid

      Will you give us an example of trendy-lefty political correctness or shall I have a go? Something like,

      “Dad, you loser, all your life you spent in Auf Wierdersehen Pet style in Europe raking in a measily pension because there were no jobs here, now you want us not to have the same opportunities?”

      or perhaps this one,

      “Mum what are you on? You never worked, now you want a penshen? Who do you think is going to pay for that if not immigrants?”

      Something like that?

      • Inverted Meniscus

        Unmitigated socialist nutter gibberish.

        • you_kid

          Chuzzlewitz, cheer up, or is that your way of asking for another one?

          “Grandad, what’s an Italian secretary?
          Can you keep a secret, son? They work while I moan about foreigners taking your job.”

          • Inverted Meniscus

            More barking mad sock puppet gibberish lad. What do you socialist nutters do all day?

            • you_kid

              wait for you to blow, obviously

              • Inverted Meniscus

                Can anybody understand this nutters gibberish?

            • Wessex Man

              He crawls out of a very mangy bed, brews a coffee in a mug that hasn’t been washed in years, settles down reads thes site very slowly , hurls insults, has a mid afternoon nap, up again in time to shoot off to the offie to buy some very rough Cider and watches telly till he goes to bed, twenty four seven!

              • Inverted Meniscus

                On the money.

  • telemachus

    An utter disgrace
    What example is the cigarette and the pint day after day to our children
    *
    And that is before he infects their minds with racism

    • John Dalton

      You’ve infected every post on this story so far with your insane socialist trolling. What is wrong with you? You are so disliked here I wonder why you bother. You won’t change anyone’s mind. Your spite is more likely to sharpen their resolve – especially when it comes to voting UKIP, the party that is the heroic patriotic anti-thesis of your traitorous shower.

      Oh and stop squealing about rac-ism. It won’t work any more. Your lot opened the door to mass immigration and you set out to destroy everything that most people on this blog love about our country. Pathetic.

      • telemachus

        The vitriol of that riposte tells us why you must be opposed at every opportunity
        *
        What is it that you are after?
        *
        To convert Fraser to your unhealthy cause?
        *
        If so you are doomed to abject failure

      • Jonathan Sidaway

        Relax. As Maurice Cowling said, ideas are to be flaunted, not argued; the number of actual debates on shared principles is (I would flaunt) small. I gather from a few of his opponents’ comments that they suspect who he actually is. I wonder sometimes if he is a rightwing agent provocateur. However all that may be, it might be a good notion to ignore him. These days I don’t have anything to do with the ideas of leftwing people, possibly because mine are a crock of s*** and I can’t cope with the power of their idealism (which is not restricted to the left). Possibly because I think leftwing ideas are like the articles of Islam: they don’t go with my mental furniture. Most of the time Telly Savaloy just gets controverted: he has rarely has anything to say that anybody wants to engage with. And in between these trips he claims to have made to places of engagement, e.g., Toxteth, he really, I guess, enjoys the smoothness of having few people who agree with him in these threads. Adds to his sense of self-worth, as does the classical allusion. Let us rejoice in him and be glad.

        • John Dalton

          A welcome bit of perspective, friend – appreciated!

    • saffrin

      Considering what you sick bas*ds would infect our children’s minds with, I would think a ciggy a few pints and a little racism would be very refreshing.

    • Inverted Meniscus

      Well at least he knows how to smoke and drink properly. The preposterous, incompetent fascist oaf Miliband cannot even eat a bacon sandwich.

      • Mynydd

        He also knows that the NHS will pick up the bill.

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