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Labour’s radical schools hypocrisy

7 June 2014

8:29 PM

7 June 2014

8:29 PM

I see that the Labour party, and Labour’s shadow education secretary Tristram Hunt in particular, are trying to make political capital out of the ‘Trojan Horse’ Islamic schools scandal.

I’ll write more about this in the coming week, but for the meantime let me point out what a steaming pile of political opportunism and hypocrisy this all is. Tristram says that Michael Gove ‘chose not to act’ and is guilty of ‘gross negligence’ on Islamic extremism in schools. Let me remind Tristram of a very recent piece of Labour party history.

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In 2009 it transpired that the Labour government was funding a school-running group called the Islamic Shakhsiyah Foundation (ISF). At that time several of the trustees of the charity which ran the schools were members of the extremist group Hizb ut-Tahrir (HT), including the wife of Hizb ut-Tahrir’s UK spokesman. Hizb ut-Tahrir is a radical Islamist group which seeks the downfall of western democratic societies and their replacement with radical Islamic law. The group is banned in many countries around the world, is regarded as extreme here in the UK, and both Tony Blair and David Cameron have said that they would like to see the group banned in Britain.

So how did the Labour government and the then education minister – Ed Balls – respond when the then opposition leader David Cameron raised this rather significant failing at Prime Minister’s Questions? Well, as I recall Ed Balls and Gordon Brown immediately played political football with it. They claimed that the opposition had made a mistake over exactly which stream of taxpayer money they had sent to the ISF/HT. David Cameron said that the money had gone to the ISF from the ‘Pathfinder’ part of Prevent funds. The Labour government, meanwhile, said that the funds had actually come from part of a fund for nursery education also called ‘Pathfinder.’

I remember this episode rather clearly because it was one of those moments which almost makes you want to give up on all politicians. Here was a serious allegation and a serious problem. A group that the Labour government had tried to ban was actually being fed money by that same government. But Balls got his fingers onto it, and spun the story around. Suddenly it was Conservatives ‘not doing their homework’ and all that sort of thing and the fact that the government was funding an HT school was allowed to merrily drift away.

There is much to be done to solve the problems already evident in Birmingham. But the Labour party really ought to go easy on the lectures.


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  • Cornelius Bonkers

    Great photo of EdBalls. He really is very ugly; unpleasantly so. Marty Feldman was ugly too but non-threateningly unlike Balls. Similarly, Gordon Brown is also distastefully ugly. Does anyone think that the face is the window on the soul and the bullying moral life which it engenders? It would be interesting to compile a visual gallery of famous BULLIES to test the above hypothesis empirically…

  • Lucy Sky Diamonds

    Well done the metropolitan elite for causing this issue over the last sixty years!

  • Stan moorcroft

    I’m shocked, shocked to find politicians behaving hypocritically!

    • Lucy Sky Diamonds

      Enoch Powell was 100% correct. Just a matter of when.

  • Chris Kimberley

    religion has no place in education, blairs faith schools were a mistake, that gove has expanded them further is a tragedy
    if you want to teach your kids the ways of allah, god, buddah or L ron hubbard do it at home or in sunday school,

    education should move on from the dark ages

    • Kevin T

      What Christian schools, Jewish schools, Hindu schools, Buddhist schools or Scientologist schools are causing problems?

      • Chris Kimberley

        other than promoting bigotry, ignorance, homophobia etc etc….

    • Tom

      Completely agree – religion by definition highlights people’s differences and can only increase division

      How can a school that is 98% any denomination claim to give pupils a rounded view of the world?

      Interesting article;

      http://www.thelaymansterms.com/the-real-trojan-horse-is-all-faith-in-schools/

  • mightymark

    I would have thought that the huge own goal in the struggle against extremism scored by the row within the Conservative party = the Islamists must be wetting themselves laughing over this one!) over this issue would have led to some embarrassment on the right in attacking Labour’s record – but apparently shamelessness rules.

    Might I suggest a better and more productive approach is to recognise that all the major players are now competing as to who is the most “effective” in combating extremism. So would the best thing not be for the Conservatives to sort their internal problems out asap (with sackings not ruled out) while everyone concerned about the issue watches especially their own political neck of the woods holding all to account as necessary.

  • Tubby_Isaacs

    Nice of you to tell your readers that the Charity Commission cleared the charity of links to Hizb ut-Tahrir in 201o, Douglas.

    You don’t trust them? Have it your way.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2584126/Charity-Cameron-called-Islamic-extremists-gets-70-000-year-state-funding.html

    “Charity that Cameron called ‘front’ for Islamic extremists gets £70,000 a year in state funding” From March, 2014.

    By the way, going to answer who was responsible for overseeing these schools now?

    Michael Gove, wasn’t it?

  • andy_gill

    Let’s keep our eye on the ball. The problem here is Islamification.

    • Chris Kimberley

      the problem here is that academies, free schools etc are outside of the system, get back to a national curriculum and abandon Blair’s and now Gove’s idiotic legacy

      • Kevin T

        I think the problem is certain people in this country will never, ever accept that Islam is to blame for anything.

  • http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk IftikharA

    It would be impossible to raise a child without indoctrinating him/her in some kind of way. There are no ‘neutral’ ideologies. Secularism, likewise, is not a ‘neutral’ choice. It is also an ideology, with its own assumptions and biases. You are just making a value judgement as to which ideology is preferable to you. In the same way, religious people have a right to pass on their beliefs to their children.

    Im my opinion the “Trojan horse” bogeyman and the frenzy followed by the mainstream media has been specifically caused by certain xenophobic conservative politicians in the government. In a similar way they reacted with the sale and slaughter of “halal meat”. Always picking on Muslims although Kosher methods are similar. Always picking on Islamic teachings when Christian and Jewish teachings are similar. These politicians are ardent neoconservatives and have a great dislike of Islam. (possibly due to some British Muslims being against their one-sided foreign policy, their support for Middle Eastern tyrants/dictators/military juntas and the extremist Saudi regime – these are the real threats to Britain). Some people are religious, and they wish to educate their children in a religious setting. What is so wrong about that? As long as people have a choice between religious and non-religious schools, I don’t see the problem. Nobody is coercing you to go to a faith school.

    But the reports we seem to be getting about the Park View Birmingham school (and possibly others) being put into ‘Special Measures” is hard to see as anything other than anti-Islamic. That this school was given an ‘outstanding’ grade just two years ago is very hard to square with this. The problem is that the religion of secularism is not defined. I am not opposed to faith schools if they aren’t run with public money. Then you should also look at many institutions which are run with public money and work against the public, including this government. The state is always run based on an ideology which is sometimes similar to a religion. Capitalism nowadays looks
    more and more like the religion of the rich; practices in this religion may not
    look like what we think of as religion but they are deeply dogmatic.

    I wouldn’t have a problem if the inspectors had found genuine and worrying signs of authentic extremism – kids being brainwashed into hating the British state, for example. But it seems as far as I can tell that the Inspectors were virtually ordered to go in and unearth evidence of ‘extremism’ that sounds ridiculously thin – using
    criteria, as you rightly say follow the monkey, couldn’t possibly be applied to
    any non-Muslim religious school. This kind of unfairness and double standards is
    more likely to foment extremism than prevent it. What our politicians fail to
    acknowledge is that our foreign policy and blind support for Israel, U.S wars
    around the world… etc, is what causes these extremists to hate Britain, not
    because they’re British and have a different religion/culture. That is the root
    cause. I do not believe that the situation in Northern Ireland is a result of separate schooling. That is a hugely complex issue with historical, political, and economic reasons behind it. But, that’s a topic for another thread. I also don’t see a
    problem with believing that other people are different. Real differences do
    exist between people. Rather than papering over them in some of of enforced
    ‘sameness’, I would rather see us acknowledge our differences.
    IA
    London School of Islamics Trust

    • Grey Wolf

      You are writing great tracts here. You should be spending this effort in calming down the rabid elements in your faith.

      I don’t think anyone will have a problem with faith schools if the teachings do not run counter to national-social cordiality and harmony. Also you have to acknowledge the core culture of the country and the majority community. If someone doesn’t like the country’s traditional culture and the culture of the majority community and its value system then they must leave and live where they can find fulfilment. Such elements positively cannot sit in the UK and create disharmony and social strain.

      Repeated violent incidents of sectarian nature in the UK have involved Islamists. This cannot be ignored or whitewashed or shoved under the carpet. Its not business as usual. Definitely not.

    • Uncle Brian

      But the reports we seem to be getting about the Park View Birmingham school (and possibly others) being put into ‘Special Measures” is hard to see as anything other than anti-Islamic.
      Why do you suppose it is that Islam attracts this kind of hostility much more tha other religions?

    • Penny

      “What our politicians fail to acknowledge is that our foreign policy and blind support for Israel, U.S wars around the world… etc, is what causes these extremists to hate Britain,”

      This is becoming a very tiresome excuse for extremism. The continual expectation that a country – any country – will alter its foreign policy in order not to upset a small minority is simply ridiculous. That these policies are exploited and made an excuse for extremism seems far more likely. I would genuinely like to understand the selectivity in all of this: I’d like to know, for example, why crowds of angry people created havoc in London during the 22 days of conflict between the Israelis and Gazans in late 2008/early 2009, but have never done the same for the three year long carnage in Syria. Why is the anger reserved for the USA, UK and Israel but ignored everywhere else where Muslims are experiencing the turmoil of wars and conflict?

    • S1999

      Sophistry. The cancerous doctrine of Islam allows for no differences. This is typical ‘Muslim Plight’ diversion.

  • Terry Field

    A good article; it touches upon the putrid behaviour of the Labour Party with regard to radical British-style islam.
    The country does know much of this.
    The media will make sure that they never learn of it.

    • Kitty MLB

      Well that is correct Terry.The media and the rest of the
      leftie dominated establishment in this country will never
      allow us to know the truth.They have their own agenda,
      in regards to this small Christian island and its
      kind and tolerant English people.

      • Terry Field

        Yes. A nation betrayed by a systematic perversion of the truth by a knowing cartel that cannot be broken, short of a revolution in politics.

  • Bonkim

    Government funds should not go to any faith-led groups regardless of what they do. Similarly faith schools should fund their own – no state funds for faith-schools.

    • Grey Wolf

      I disagree. The threat is from one group of fanatical ba$tard$.

      Why should Catholics, Anglicans, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists be disallowed and made to suffer?

      • Bonkim

        All religions/cultures once they reach critical mass get bigoted and assert what they do in terms of their religious or cultural right. All the religions you refer to when mixed with narrow nationalism have behaved criminally. Hence I think religion should be left at home and secularism prevail in all public affairs. It is for parents to inculcate their narrow religious and cultural beliefs to their progeny – not schools or other publicly funded organisations.

        Regarding your relative merits of different religions – you will find fascism and racial/ethnic/sectarian gender discrimination/exploitation prevailing in many countries inhabited by Buddhists, Hindus, Christians, Shinto, Confucian, and others.

        One other thing – all over the world the worst culprits are the lower IQ/lower educated and poorer classes that exhibit extremism of the worst kind and carry out mindless acts.

        • Grey Wolf

          Religion cannot be wished away howsoever much progressives-atheists try. Try all you want. Nihilism will not win. Its in man’s nature to seek higher, emotional truths. Nothing wrong with nationalism either. I cannot see how a country can become strong without it.

          If there are minority religious denominations that refuse to recognise and reconcile with the core culture and values of a nation then they must just leave, and if they create social strain they should be dealt with very harshly.

          • Bonkim

            That is the reality of history – so don’t complain when you see persecution of minorities around the world. There are no absolutes in morality.

            • Grey Wolf

              There is no persecution of minorities in Britain.

              In fact, they have been filling up our ancient lands over the past 50 years. Mostly they come from failed societies and dysfunctional countries. Britain has been very nice to them and is now paying a price for its generosity when it faces extremism, welfare system abuse, crime on its streets and burden on its infrastructure.

              • Bonkim

                Don’t lump all within your definition – Britain is made of immigrants over the centuries – the descendants of the pre-Roman tribes are only a small percentage of the total. For a country of 60 million Britain has the largest range of names all of which can be linked not only to Europe but also further afield and not just those that came after the 1960s who in many ways were part of the Empire and contributed immensely to UK Inc.

                • Lucy Sky Diamonds

                  More immigrants come to live in this country in the last 15 years than its entire previous history.

                  Your comment lacks perspective.

                • Bonkim

                  Like who?

  • Mynydd

    We the taxpayer pay opposition MP’s to hold the government to account, and it is their duty to do just this. So on our behalf Mr Tristram Hunt is asking Mr Gove why he has taken no action since 2010 on the Trojan Horse Islamic School Scandal. So how can Mr Murray call this hypocrisy, when he goes on to praise Mr Cameron for holding the last labour government to account.

  • cromwell

    Enoch Powell was right all others after him, conservative or Labour were wrong and have betrayed Britain.

    • Grey Wolf

      Who can disagree with that.

  • cromwell

    Time for a crusade it seems.

  • evad666

    It seems once again we must face the malign influence of the Blair’s and their coterie of Hampstead salon smoked salmon eating illiberal luvvies.

  • Grey Wolf

    New Labour is a strange concoction, a very strange concoction indeed. It will be a fascinating case study how they managed to get elected to govern thrice, not once but thrice. Even as they pressed for military liberal interventions abroad, they yielded easily to Muslim extremists at home and allowed unprecedented mass immigration and changed the country for ever.

    This country should be very, very angry with Blair / Brown and Blairites / Brownites.

  • GraveDave

    This has been going on since at least the late eighties. Remind us again – who was in power back in the days of the Rushdie/Satanic Verses controversy. And then ‘Londonistan’.Melanie Philips, the various reports coming out of Luton… Ray Honeyford (forced into early retirement),…. the list on political cowardice by the Conservatives is endless.

  • ItsAlreadyTooLate

    And if the positions were reversed the Tories wouldn’t have made political capital?

    • Holly

      Who knew of Balls & Bozo’s constant scheming & plotting against Blair eh?
      Took a book being published for our media guru’s to inform us, THEY DID!

    • Colin

      The Tories wouldn’t have made enough political capital, that’s the problem. If the Tories had adopted labour tactics for exploiting and exposing problems, the Labour Party would have been buried years ago.

      • Holly

        They never got as much help from our MSM gurus in revealing it, as Labour got from them in hiding it either.
        If the MSM continue trying to ‘hide’ the REAL story behind political spats, we might well end up with quite a few UKIP MP’s.
        There are more ways today for the public to find out what is going on, and the MSM has yet to come to terms with that.

        • Colin

          The reason for that, is unlike labour, the Tories have never really thought about politics as an exercise in subversion. As a result, the Tories haven’t put in place the fifth columns, that labour have. They’re everywhere, in education, the media, public services, the charity sector and now it seems, the police. Thank God the armed forces are still neutral, for now.

          • Holly

            So Labour FORCED our media bods to stay quiet?

            • Colin

              The media bods, are labour. Don’t forget, for this lot, The party is the state.

  • Ron Todd

    The right honourable Tristran Hunt public all boys school
    Ed Balls public all boys school.

    • Damon

      There’s a surprise.

    • Dutchnick

      Be fair they understand with the working class having read about them. More than half their voters can do.

  • David Prentice

    There’s no doubt Labour have sold the country out by throwing open the doors to Third World immigration. It is my great hope that the recent trend of voters punishing the party of Blair, Brown and Miliband for their many betrayals continues at next year’s GE.

    • cromwell

      Too late, stable door open, horse already bolted, country already stuffed.

  • Redneck

    We have no idea how many are here legally because of use of “net migration”.

    The number here illegally is a fearful thought.

    Our Country, cities, towns & villages are being radically damaged.

    Mr Hunt: do you like what you sowed? It was, unquestionably, your planned story to replace the British people with vicious aliens: I hope it feels good when your children are subsumed in diversity.

    • Holly

      The REAL news story is that, they are already here.

    • Donafugata

      Islamification is happening across Europe, perhaps not so much in the less wealthy east but certainly in Franc, Spain, Germany and worst of all, Sweden.

      The success is entirely due to Saudi Arabian money and the collaboration and encouragement of the European political class, God only knows why they want to do this to us.

      The problem is of extreme urgency to everyone except our governments.
      Across Europe people who wants to conserve their own culture and do not wish to become extinct must unite to eradicate the death cult, with or without the politicians.
      It may be expedient to form temporary alliances with some of the more extreme groups but that would be no worse than Churchill dealing with Stalin.
      Once Islam has been put in its place we wouldn’t have to continue to meet with them.

  • global city

    The problem we have is a direct result of nulabour’s desire to ‘rub the right’s (the fictitious right that they love to fight) nose in diversity.

  • James Lovelace

    “and both Tony Blair and David Cameron have said that they would like to see the group banned in Britain.”

    And both had the opportunity to ban it when in government, but did not. That famously moderate muslim organisation “Faith Matters” advised the government to ban some jewish group in Britain, but told the government not to ban Hizb ut Tahrir!

    Hizb ut Tahrir’s poison has now spread to almost 20 other major muslim organisations in Britain. And the media simply won’t talk about Hizb ut Tahrir now.

    • Holly

      We are talking about it though, and that is what will bring about change.
      The MSM are ignorant.

      • James Lovelace

        In my opinion, events are going to turn to crap and civil war, in very short order.

        The economic collapse of 2008 has never been rectified. A much bigger collapse is coming (within 10 years). When that happens it will focus people’s attention. They won’t be watching Britain’s Got Talent, they will be fighting over food and water. It’s going to be bloody, and the state will rapidly lose control.

        • Holly

          The state has no real control to begin with.
          Consecutive governments have made sure of that, and the current lot to pick from do not fill me with any hope of a solution, because none of them have the guts to take our country back with the pen.
          They have, between them rendered themselves impotent to do anything.

          Your opinion is spot on, spoke about openly and often around here, by the thirty-somethings.

  • Holly

    Lets hope you journo’s hold Labour bods to account when they gob off about how their stinking mess takes so long to clean up. If it ever can be.
    This post reminding the public of Labours selective memory loss, is a FIRST step in the right direction, and should be seen as doing what you should have done during Labour’s time in government…..I am 100% sure there are loads more examples that you could ‘remind’ the public of, and you would be doing us a huge favour.

    • realfish

      But they won’t. Not a chance.

      The BBC, when referring to May’s letter, repeatedly speak of the Education Department ignoring warnings of infiltration in 2010…when the self same letter says that concerns were also raised in 2008.

      The BBC have deliberately and repeatedly misrepresented the contents of May’s letter. The only possible purpose can be to protect their Labour Party colleagues from scrutiny.

      • Holly

        They are concentrating on the ‘politics’ of this tale for a few reasons.

        To divert the public from the REAL news story…Islamic nutjobs getting access to children.

        To divert the public from REMEMBERING Labour’s role in how they got to be here, and why, if they were already here, they wish to do us fatal harm.

        To enjoy giving a sitting government a good kicking, and even more so a Tory-led(laughable) government.

        Instead of ‘sorting out’ the row by making sitting cabinet ministers apologise and fire their SpAd, Cameron should have been getting to grips with the Islamic nutjobs getting access to children, banning whoever NEEDS to be banned and showing the electorate that they can vote Tory and do not need to switch to UKIP.
        Again Cameron fails.
        Gove will spend his time tomorrow fighting off the usual sh*te from the bar stewards opposite, while the REAL story gets buried by the headline one-liners from Labour.

      • The Masked Marvel

        Didn’t you know that, for the BBC, 2010 is the Year Zero when it comes to government responsibility?
        Except when blaming Thatcher, of course.

    • GraveDave

      Back in the 1980s the Taliban were considered freedom fighters by both British and American Conservatives. Funny how things change.

  • Kitty MLB

    Oh God spare us the words of wisdom from somewhat blank
    Tristram Hunt and the utterly hypoctitical Ed Balls.
    Who actually changed the face of Great Britain by allowing these
    extremists to live here. This country today is living with the
    consequencies of the anti-English Labour party and as usual
    they take no responsibility or except how difficult the situation
    they created actually is.

    • Shazza

      For the first time in the long, noble history of these British Islands, the indigenous people have been prevented from protecting and defending themselves from a hostile, primitive, totalitarian force intent on conquering and converting the inhabitants into an ideology which was invented in the Dark Ages and remains there.

      This invasion was actively promoted by New Labour during their 13 year Reign of Terror and anyone who dared to voice even the mildest protest suffered vilification, scorn and possible prosecution. Hate speech laws effectively shut down any reasonable debate, indeed Paul Weston was arrested for quoting Churchill – the irony, in the year when we celebrate the 70th anniversary of the Normandy landings.

      I hope that when Cameron wins next year, and he will, and grow some cojones and tackle this problem asap starting with the endless pro multiculti propaganda endlessly spewing forth from the BBC. It is time to tell the truth and face the facts about the RoP and it’s pernicious influence on the future of not only this Kingdom, but indeed the survival of Western, secular, freedom loving civilisation.

      We are indeed in the last chance saloon.

      I don’t expect the moderators will let this post stay up for long.

      • Holly

        Don’t hold your breath waiting for Cameron to sort this out properly.
        He won’t, he’d be breaking some law or other if he tried.

        • FrenchNewsonlin

          He might try repealing them then, starting with all laws that criminalise thought, speech and free expression.It would offer a good example to the EUcrat-controlled continent.

          • Holly

            My question to Cameron, and myself is, why hasn’t he done this already?
            He hasn’t even tried, even if Clegg & Co screamed blue murder, and blocked him Cameron should have done something tangiable by now.
            He hasn’t, and I doubt he ever will.

        • Colonel Mustard

          I don’t think it is any constraint of law holding him back although might be a good smokescreen for him. More likely his own metro-trendy CP and UAF credentials.

          • Grey Wolf

            A ‘conservative’ prime minister who is a member of UAF – can anything be more risible?

            UAF – assorted lefties, LGBT enthusiasts, Islamists under one roof. What a collection of clowns and earthy dregs.

      • Dutchnick

        Everybody knows the problem and the PC lobby have closed down even a mention of the “I” word. Any mention brings out the usual rubbish and tries to meld it with an discussion of immigration. Personally I like immigration but I want to see controls to ensure that those entering are for the benefit of our society, not just economic but socially. If I look at the values of Islam I see a faith and culture that offers me nothing other than that which I dislike – whopps now I have said it – have to change my address before the thought police turn up. I believe that Labour cynically encouraged immigration as those sort of mmigrants are solid Labour, who would vote Labour if 50% of males and 75% of females are un-employed – or working in the black economy they are Labour feedstock. Look on Google where all the mosques are being built! Hardly the Tory shires!

        • Shazza

          Very true.

      • Donafugata

        It is a comforting thought but Dave acquiring cojones is difficult to imagine.

        Not long ago his little currant bun face wore such an expression of sincerity while he spoke of not allowing Muslims to fall behind and the need to eradicate islamophobia.

        It’s a pity his misplaced concern was not on the need to eradicate Islam.

        • Shazza

          I have to agree with you.

      • Kitty MLB

        Shazza your post is still here. And its excellent, agree with every word.
        What the Labour party committed was almost treasonous.
        I hope Cameron also wins next year and deals with this outrage, I have
        no idea what will become of us of a country if Labour win. Others
        say the Conservatives and Labour are the same…they may regret saying those words if a true Karl Marx socialist adoring person like
        Miliband takes over.

      • Conway

        I hope that when Cameron wins next year, and he will, and grow some cojones and tackle this problem asap starting with the endless pro multiculti propaganda endlessly spewing forth from the BBC.” Didn’t Cameron pledge to repeal Labour’s politically correct laws? Has he even dented the surface? What makes you think he would tackle the problems of multi-culti PC?

  • John Smith

    Labour let in most of the Islamists. Many people could see what was going to happen in liberal Britain
    It has started, as expected, in the ghettos like Tower Hamlets, schools & the unlikely streets of Woolwich

    • Barakzai

      And, equally predictably, those responsible will never be held to account. And now the party of the people intends to enfranchise gullible 16 year olds to help elect another generation of Hains, Harmans, Straws et al.

      ” Oh what a circus . . . “

      • wudyermucuss

        Indeed.
        One hears some youngsters talking and it is Cultural Maoism,the youngsters being sent out to do their masters bidding.

        On what grounds pray –
        Economic wrecklessness and engineering occupation of large swathes of the country.

      • Holly

        And you can almost guarantee that the people most affected by Labour’s complete mishandling of everything..ie..the electorate will slavishly vote for the three main brain-dead political parties…
        Unless we all grow a pair, and rid ourselves of them for five years.
        UKIP can not be any more socially disastrous.

        I’m sure, if I try and rack my brain, that the UK has been through financial difficulties in the past.
        I could be wrong on that score though eh.

    • GraveDave

      Yep, and it was the Tories sacked Enoch Powell, while Margaret Thatcher, to give her, her dues, was the only one risked her career in standing by him. And that Tory gutlessnesss is still prevalent today. The only reason articles like this are able to be fobbed off on us is because most of us are either too young to remember or just too quick to forget.
      The same old L and R blame game though.

      • Alexsandr

        Labour, Tory, limp dems. the lot of them are equally culpable for this apalling mess.

    • FrenchNewsonlin

      The single word “Woolwich” on a blood red background will make a potent election poster.

  • ChrisTavareIsMyIdol

    Taxpayers should not be funding charities full stop. They have no mandate from the people for such action, and it results in extremists forming or taking over charities in order to fund their goals

    • RobertC
      • Fergus Pickering

        Absolutely including the RSPCA!

    • telemachus

      This has nothing to do with the charity issue
      *
      It has all to do with the right wing press trying to smear Balls to deflect attention from the leadership manoeuvring between the hated Gove and the dark Howardesque May

      • Colonel Mustard

        Looks like you are the one trying to deflect attention from yet another Labour crime against England.

        And it has everything to do with the charity issue and Labour’s attempt to set up an unelected “shadow” government to impose its own version of gleichschaltung.

        http://www.conservativehome.com/tag/politicised-charities-and-appointments

        • telemachus

          I cannot subscribe to the Evans view
          Coordination in our society is probably a good thing

          • Colonel Mustard

            Thanks for the confirmation that Labour advocates approve of the imposition of a NSDAP type gleichschaltung. We have seen it advance incrementally over the last decade but it is useful for the truly sinister aspiration of Labour to create a single party state to be publicly admitted by one of their most prolific zealots.

            Thank you.

            • telemachus

              I think I implied but I will spell out
              Richard Evans is an odious creep who will bend any information to his propaganda ends

              • Colonel Mustard

                Much like you then.

              • Inverted Meniscus

                Delete Richard Evans substitute with Ed Miliband, Tristram Hunt, Ed Balls etc etc.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            No but you could sod off and stop ruining every thread.

      • saffrin

        This has all to do with being another example of Labour’s liar, denier mindset.
        The Labour party should be criminalised.

        • telemachus

          On what grounds pray
          Watch Gove squirm in the Commons tomorrow

          • jack mustard

            It wasn’t so long ago that aka Nicholas was remonstrating about Ministers who failed to resign at the merest hint of scandal. He claimed this began during the Blair years – ignoring the long list of Tories who attempted to cling on to the ministerial posts in the Thatch and Major-Ballsup years. Don’t hold your breath waiting for him to call for Gove’s resignation, or complaining about the backhanders Gove has supplied to the New Schools Network.

            • telemachus

              I truly do not personally want Gove to resign
              *
              He is one of Labour’s best recruiting agents

              • Alexsandr

                not as good as millipede and b0110cks and the paedophile 2 for UKIP though.

              • grammarschoolman

                So many people wanting state school kids to remain ignorant? I had no idea.

              • Inverted Meniscus

                I don’t think Gove has any interest in founding a Gulag. I think he regards that as a job for the Kabour party.

              • David Prentice

                Your vote’s holding up well

          • Alexsandr

            gove should put this clusterf*ck plainly at labours door and their apologists for the nastier aspects of Islam.
            The islamification of schools should have been detected and counterd many many years ago.
            But Gove and May are also culpable for not dealing with it since 2010.
            I suspect all of liblabcon were spending more time worrying about not being wrongly labelled waycist and not enough time actually understanding the issue and fixing it.
            Useless – all of them.

            • FrenchNewsonlin

              Particularly as Gove has a long and admirable history of opposition to the Islamification of the UK dating from his times as a journalist and as a participant in the Moral Maze. At least he has been consistent, pity he didn’t act while a minister but then it is a Home Office brief?

          • Andy

            High Treason.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            He doesn’t have time to squirm you idiot. He is too busy scouring the rancid filth of socialism and its doctrine of mediocrity and failure for all from British education. So sorry, far too busy to oblige you socialist nutters.

            • telemachus

              But giving educational excellence to the fortunate few
              Only

              • Inverted Meniscus

                Better this than allowing the rancid filth of socialism to ruin every child’s education.

              • Kitty MLB

                Oh no little wasp. As said to you before the excellent Michael
                Gove wishes to give all children the hope that through education they can have a better life. Instead of being trapped.
                Inspiration not desperation.
                A utter shame upon our country that a generation didn’t even
                know the basics.
                So much for Tony Blair and his Education, Education and
                Education.

                • telemachus

                  Inspiration not desperation
                  *
                  Ladybird
                  Please read my posts on Gove carefully
                  He is successful at creating Free Schools which deliver inspirational excellence
                  But his mode of operation is to wait for the others to wither
                  It takes several years
                  The time of the whole secondary educational experience of some children
                  *
                  Desperation
                  *
                  Govian Educational Social Darwinism and morally repugnant

        • GraveDave

          But the Tories are still allowing thought criminals to be charged and imprisoned. Why, didn’t Dave himself publically chastise one of his people a while back for daring to say the Olympics was a load of lefty multiculti c—p. I think what it is that now they know they’re definitely not going to get very far with the Muslim vote, and the middle class whites are going over to UKIP, they have to start showing teeth or remain the gum less lions they’ always been.

        • Inverted Meniscus

          Indeed Labour is the party of lies, lying and liars.

      • wudyermucuss

        Ed Balls http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01594/SNN0202RF_1594190a.jpg
        and his disastrous party’s policies are responsible for the Islamist threat that now so undermines our country’s freedom.
        To play politics with it just shows how utterly shameless they really are.

        • telemachus

          I have always been impressed by what the Sun has to say
          It is Gove that pursues the Social Darwinist policies of that uniform

          • Inverted Meniscus

            No that is the policy of socialist nutters like yourself.

      • Nick

        Howardesque? I quite like that. Can we use Telemachusesque to describe an idiot?

        • telemachus

          Only if prepared to reap the consequences next May

          • Holly

            Even you old sage have no idea of what will happen next May.
            Folks talk to each other, and the more bods like me talk about the REAL news story, Islamic nutjobs getting access to children, the more that message gets around.
            Oh and NOT forgetting to mention who let them in in the first place, who screwed up our ability to get rid of them, and who is allowing it to continue.
            Not looking too great for any of the main three parties, and in the most recent, genuine opinion poll Labour came third and the Lib Dems sixth. The Tories dropped by nearly 8 thousand so lets gloat when we see what happens eh.

            • telemachus

              Newark had no validity
              Labour discounted it before the fact
              *
              What it did show was that the vote for the racist party was coming rocketing down

        • Colonel Mustard

          Might I respectfully suggest the less cumbersome telemachesque?

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Semantically you are of course correct but does your suggestion capture the absolute mindless monotony and idiocy it is designed to convey? The wastefulness of additional characters and tautological clumsiness surely convey a clearer impression of socialist waste, idiocy and incompetence.

            • Colonel Mustard

              Probably not. Perhaps then, ‘telemachinesque’ to convey both his robotic drivel and the way he machinates on behalf of the Lieborg hive?

              I used to favour ‘telemachusallvomit’ but that is also a mouthful!

              • Inverted Meniscus

                Excellent Colonel. I think that marries the idiocy, vapidity and dishonesty with the mindless, robotic authoritarianism at the heart of the Lieborg collective.

              • Alexsandr

                telemysongonist?

        • Inverted Meniscus

          No because that would be to suggest Telemachus is a mere idiot. His idiocy transcends the normal bounds of idiocy and socialist nuttery and thus Telemachusesque should be reserved to describe some kind of ultra lunacy not witnessed outside of the Labour Party.

      • Inverted Meniscus

        Ed Balls exposed as a liar ……again.

        • Andy

          Well there’s a surprise.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Yes. Ed Balls tells the truth. Now that would be a headline that would shock a few people.

    • Mynydd

      What you must understand about Mr Gove’s Free School’s and Charities. Mr Cameron’s old school Eton is a charity therefore can apply for Free School status, thereby be given million of taxpayers money. So we could end up with those at the bottom of the income scale, paying for the schooling of those at the top of the income scale

      • Alexsandr

        I too dont see why independent schools should have charitable status. But they should have a special tax break to respect the saving in the education budget that their existence gives.

        But then our charities law should be revised to those organisations that actually do charitable work. Purely lobbying organisations should not have the charitable status or the tax breaks.

        • Mynydd

          I also don’t see why independent schools should have charitable status. Should a single man have a special tax break in respect to the saving in the education budget that their existence gives.

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