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Is Labour’s machine up to fighting a general election campaign?

15 June 2014

10:58 AM

15 June 2014

10:58 AM

Judging by the tone of the commentary at the moment, you would think that Labour were badly behind in the polls. In fact, they are ahead by a few points—a margin that would still give Miliband a majority.

But what should worry the Labour leader most is that every time the Labour machine is put under scrutiny it is found wanting. Tom Watson, in an intervention that will further worry leadership loyalists, has been out and about making this point this morning.

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Last month’s election campaign when Miliband didn’t know the name of the candidate he was campaigning for in Swindon was all too typical of Labour’s failings. The left hand often doesn’t know what the right hand is doing which, as I report in The Mail on Sunday, is how Miliband’s office were taken by surprise by the pictures of him posing with The Sun.

Labour simply has to sort these problems out before the general election campaign, which is now only ten months away now. If they don’t, the wheels will come off the car during the campaign—with disastrous results.


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  • suzy61

    No

  • global city

    Labour’s ‘machine’ is like one of the old jalopies you used to see in Buster Keaton or Laurel and hardy movies.

  • El_Sid

    Last month’s election campaign when Miliband didn’t know the name of the
    candidate he was campaigning for in Swindon was all too typical of
    Labour’s failings

    Is it? Supposedly he was given the briefing but didn’t get round to reading it.

    The lack of campaigning in Newark, a seat they held not too long ago, is perhaps more relevant. Presumably their hand was forced by their internal financial crisis, what are they, £13m in debt? With their friendly bankers now in the hands of a hedge fund? As always, the socialists are running out of other people’s money.

  • Grey Wolf

    I think Speccie is worried about the wrong stuff here. Labour organisation won’t be any more or any less effective than the Tory organisation at campaigning in 2015 GE.

    What Labour should be worried sick about now is the white working class switching allegiance to UKIP.

    • Kitty MLB

      I remember Gordon Brown just before the last election.
      He was speaking to some lady in her early 30s he asked her
      if she was working class. She replied no, she had never worked.Brown rather embarrassed at that point just wandered off. I remember the look of having no hope
      of a better life in her eyes and he couldn’t cared less.
      Yes they must switch to UKIP.

      • Andy

        The Fascist Labour Party no longer has any connection to, or empathy with the working class. Actually it hates the working and aspiring classes.

      • HookesLaw

        Correct, labour created an underclass which is no reason to vote to gift them back into power when the Tories are working to inpick that.

    • Holly

      Ya think?
      (Ooops. That’s me been watching too many episodes of NCIS)

  • Alexsandr

    will they have the core vote in 2015 or will the so called blue collar vote gone to UKIP or the stay at home party
    will the traditional labour supporters be willing to do the foot slogging of an election, the canvassing on the door steps and getting people to the polling stations?
    And how are their finances? And will the unions stump up this time? and what will they want in return?

    there again have the tories got their election infrastructure ready? And will the limp dems even be able to make any impact?

  • Denis_Cooper

    “Judging by the tone of the commentary at the moment, you would think that Labour were badly behind in the polls. In fact, they are ahead by a few points – a margin that would still give Miliband a majority.”

    Really I only see that kind of commentary in media outlets which support the Tories, and then only when one or two outlying polls show them to be neck-and-neck with Labour, and they rarely mention that the Tories still have to be something like 7% ahead of Labour to have a chance of getting an overall majority.

    They came out 7.3% ahead of Labour on May 6th 2010, but that still resulted in a hung Parliament:

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/polls.html

  • saffrin

    One thing the MSM doesn’t want us to know if Labour win the 2015 General Election is Labour will promote pedophilia.
    By 2020, kiddies as young as 6 will be allowed to marry and adopt kids after much Islamist pressure and if you think that’s crazy, look at the way they promoted homosexuals the last time that bunch of sick twisted bas*d’s were in Government.

    • Alexsandr

      the dromeys will like that. they have history with kiddie fiddling

  • swatnan

    Labour won’t be happy until that lead is in double digits and stays that way.
    It would also help if the GE and Local Elections were NOT on the same day but always kept 6 months apart. Why should the outcome of the locals depenfd on the failings of our national politicians? The next Govt should legislate.

  • Frank

    Problem, shall I rejoice that we may be spared Labour, or pull my hair out at the thought of another dose of duplicitous non-leadership from Dave?

  • Holly

    A lot of voters will have already made their minds up who they are going to vote for. What should worry the main three parties is, it does not necessarily follow that the party they usually support will get their support in the ballot booth.

    What irks the voting public is how the MSM report what each parties policies will achieve in practice, while remembering most of us know there is no left or right utopia might make it a bit easier for you.

    It says much that your first post is about the ‘Labour machine’.
    I have not heard anyone lately raising concerns over whether the ‘Labour machine’ is ready for the next election campaign or not.
    It could be the most ready of the campaign ‘machines’, but it is policy details that we make our minds up on, with a bit of historical knowledge on how each party have done whilst in government chucked in for good measure.

    Going on about the wheels coming off Labour’s campaign I find quite unpleasant after they chucked the entire UK car in the ditch….Or maybe it didn’t have too much of an impact on you journo’s???

    • john p reid

      Like the last election the Tories haven’t done the deal to win the election again.

  • Kitty MLB

    I Don’t think you mean the wheels will come off the car,
    for the Labour machine is a whooping great big Stalinist
    tank that causes destruction and flattens everything in its path.
    The problem for Ed ‘the unready’ Moribund is that his foot
    soldiers are no longer the decent working classes that he was supposed to lure back after they were utterly betrayed.
    His foot soldiers are now those New-Labour encouraged here
    from Islamic country, his party speaks for them and not his
    core voters. That old Churchill saying again: He who feeds
    the crocodile hoping it will eat him last, again springs to mind.

    • telemachus

      Ladybird

      Have not you learned anything

      Labour speak for the poor the disadvantaged and the working class, except that there is no working class anymore just an underclass

      An underclass that Osborne wishes to forget

      We will not forget

      • Andy

        The Fascist Labour Party has done everything possible to destroy the working class, whom they loath and hate. Osborne has done more for the poor in 4 years that the scumbags in Labour did in 13.
        The Fascist Labour Party should be made a proscribed organisation.

      • whs1954

        You can mouth the platitude that you stand up for the working class, but it’s just talk. Labour stands for Muslim immigrants and benefit claimants only.

        • telemachus

          Please read the post
          I stand for the poor the disadvantaged and the underclass
          The immigrants, despite their magnificent contribution to our economy are treated as an underclass
          (I suppose they are not yet persecuted as they would be if UKIP held sway)

          • girondas

            Hey, charlatan, I’m still waiting for your answer

          • girondas

            “I stand for the poor the disadvantaged and the underclass”

            The sweet stench of sanctimony

            • Wessex Man

              yes but it is coming from a committed lair and I do mean tele babe.

          • Kitty MLB

            Labour made its core voters, poor, vulnerable
            and left them without hope. Whilst Tony Blair
            bragged ‘ we are all middle class now’
            He utterly loathed his own party and he must
            have done when he imported their replacements.

          • Andy

            There you go still hating the white working class.

          • ButcombeMan

            The people in your second line will not elect you, they probably will not even turn out to vote.

            You are losing “hard working families and people”. the huge demographic, not blue collar, not white collar, just people who want their country back and a government that supports them and helps them help their families..

            Blair, for all his faults, understood, as did Thatcher for all hers. That is why they both won multiple elections.

            Milliband’s upmarket brand of smart Hampstead salon politics does not cut it. He and the odious Polly, his champion, are a pair united in their hatred of ordinary folk. Champagne and smoked salmon socialists.

          • HookesLaw

            Labour created the underclass.

            • john p reid

              The underclass, they’d be the people sleeping homeless couldn’t afford food, I don’t recall there being 1000’s of people home less starving on the streets pre 1979′ and I didn’t see 1000’s of people homeless sleeping in the streets under New labour, although this was due to a strong economy,

          • global city

            They don’t want you… and the immigrants do not want you either. They are all fed up with stupid lefties running their lives and crushing their opportunities in order to feed your own narcissism.

      • girondas

        “An underclass that Osborne wishes to forget”
        An underclass that New Labour created -well done and we won’t forget.

        By the way, I asked you a question the other day, but you didn’t answer.
        Here it is again:Explain how mass immigration benefits the working class.

        Stop hiding and answer

      • Fergus Pickering

        You will not forget what?

      • Inverted Meniscus

        No they speak only for themselves an elite group of ‘know nothings’ interested only in power because they deem it to be their birthright. They have no empathy with the poor and disadvantaged save for keeping them in their place through a system that delivers poor housing, lamentable healthcare and sub-standard education. Greedy, stupid, authoritarian, preposterous and incompetent while unaware of their own ludicrous paradox: redistributing and destroying wealth at the same time. Labour is no more than political Syphilis. A dreadful disease that infects this country and requires ever more painful cures. Consider the Fascist a Labour manifesto: ‘We know how to spend your money and regulate your lives better than you do so be grateful and shut up or else’.

        • Ooh!MePurse!

          Superb post!

          • HookesLaw

            Personally I think he should come out and say what he really thinks !!!

      • Kitty MLB

        The traditional working class Labour voter who
        you say are now a forgotten ‘ underclass’ will also
        not forget. They had no option before UKIP.
        They would never vote Conservative so therefore
        they were trapped, as Labour likes them to be.

        • Alexsandr

          Maybe UKIP will metamorphose into a new party of the right and the tories with their toxic past will wither and die.

          • Kitty MLB

            Oh we are somewhat curmudgeonly and
            a little excitable today.
            Nothing is going to wither and die..sounded
            to me like somewhat dark poetry.
            And dear man, UKIP is needed by the working
            class Northern voters who are without a party.
            Besides you’d love it up their lots of green
            spaces and rivers.

            • Alexsandr

              Ah know what t’grim north is lark, I were drug up theere.

              • Holly

                Me an’all.

              • Kitty MLB

                No there is not a satanic mill in sight.
                The North has some of the most stunningly
                beautiful areas in the country.
                You said it was grim…well maybe some of the
                towns with high immigration areas are.
                But these people are not too fond of the
                countryside. Lots of potential voters for you.

                • Wessex Man

                  When you want to be you can be very patronising can’t you?

                • telemachus

                  Pot Kettle

                • Alexsandr

                  i know hubberholme, gunnerside, dent, pateley bridge.
                  and is this not the finest mountain in England?
                  http://www.geologyrocks.co.uk/system/files/images/100_1287.preview.JPG
                  i have even been undergound – gaping gill, lancaster hole, Alum Pot.
                  climbed at cow and calf, Brimham, malham cove, Almscliff.

                • Holly

                  Patley Bridge IS stunning.

                • First L

                  In Wales that’s what we call a hill. 😉

                • Grey Wolf

                  Northern white working class voters are waiting to be enlisted by UKIP. And UKIP will be silly to ignore that. I think a somewhat long term rupture has taken place b/w New Labour and white working class.

                • HookesLaw

                  So that UKIP are a white supremacist racist party then?
                  It would help of you were honest about it.

                • Grey Wolf

                  So you are good at misrepresenting others!
                  What else can one expect from a tribal, Tory loser!

            • telemachus

              Ladybird
              You are so waspish today
              As you observe Ukip is as we speak withering from the high point of May 22

        • HookesLaw

          So labour voters who would not vote conservative will vote for an even more extreme right wing party led by a city slicker in a camel hair coat?

      • Wessex Man

        you slimy lair.

      • Grey Wolf

        Sadly Osborne can do nothing about your bu11$hit spraying habit here.
        There is a white working class here regardless of what semantic trickery you may wish to employ. New Labour have alienated those guys. New Labour will pay a price.

        • telemachus

          Not around me son
          I inhabit true England in Lancahire where Black and White folks form a cohesive cadre of workers who detest the Tory Home Counties brigade and see nothing for them in Ukip
          They will always vote Labour
          *
          Even with Miliband

          • Holly

            I inhabit West Yorkshire, where black and white folks form a cohesive, palitable, hatred of Labour, and their unfetted immigration policy.
            Plod on there telemachus.

            • john p reid

              So when William Hague was calling asylum seekers bogus, and that it was going to be a foreign land, and that he wanted his country, a country of the 1930’s back, you were happy with that, I think you talk for very few Black or white people in yorkshire, remember when Hague first stood for parliament he had a 50% swing against him,

          • john king

            Answer his question masterbaker.

          • Alexsandr

            says a lot about lancashire. Yorkshire folk have always found them odd. Probably the webbed feet.

          • First L

            So you admit that Miliband is not the right person to vote Labour and therefore that you and your idiot friends will indeed vote for a donkey if it wears a red rosette.

            • telemachus

              To gain power is all

              • First L

                Says everything we’ll ever need to know about you.

      • notme3

        and not many poor either.

      • Liberty

        As you probably know, underclass numbers were massively increased by Labour in the hope that they would vote Labour.

        • telemachus

          Is that wrong?

      • First L

        Miliband, that well known working class millionaire.

      • global city

        According to the internationalist mindset that now dominates labour all whites, no matter how poor (or formally, excluded) have a privileged position. They are now the enemy in the fight for international ‘justice’

      • Dutchnick

        Labour needs an underclass and have been very successful in creating and maintaining it. The best way, successful carried out in Wales, their fiefdom is to have 26%of kids leaving school with no qualifications whatsoever and having imbued them with the socialist nostrum that the states owes you a living then you have a Labour voter for life, Makes the Jesuits look like amateurs!

    • Grey Wolf

      Correct.

    • HookesLaw

      You should be saying ‘ethelrEd the Unready’.
      The trouble is the crypto Marxist is all to ready when he is gifted the chance.

      • Grey Wolf

        You are a crypto marxist

  • southerner

    You Speccie children and the rest of the MSM don’t get it and never will inhabiting the bubble as you do. Whilst you all play with yourselves about bacon sandwich pictures and off-message briefings, we the country will next May deliver the only appropriate verdict for the destruction of our country when we reject the socialist Europhile liblabcon project.

    • girondas

      I agree with your main thrust. The antics of politicians and the media during their frightfully exciting campaign – mishaps and triumphs, gaffs and victories, (Headline news! – Read all about it! Ed can’t eat a bacon sarnie! Well that just about wraps it up for Labour!), will have no effect on my voting intentions whatsoever.

      PS: I know I’m being ratty, but can’t the speccie invest in a version of Disqus that can spell fecking English?

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