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In defence of Kirstie Allsopp, feminist

3 June 2014

3 June 2014

Kirstie Allsopp was yesterday quoted in the Telegraph saying that women should shun university in favour of buying a flat and having babies. If she had a daughter, she would give her the following advice:

‘Don’t go to university. Start work straight after school, stay at home, save up your deposit – I’ll help you, let’s get you into a flat. And then we can find you a nice boyfriend and you can have a baby by the time you’re 27. 

‘Women are being let down by the system. We should speak honestly and frankly about fertility and the fact it falls off a cliff when you’re 35. We should talk openly about university and whether going when you’re young, when we live so much longer, is really the way forward. At the moment, women have 15 years to go to university, get their career on track, try and buy a home, and have a baby. That is a hell of a lot to ask someone. As a passionate feminist, I feel we have not been honest enough with women about this issue.’

This has provoked intense criticism on Twitter – notably much less than when Arianna Huffington was quoted in the Telegraph last week saying she didn’t believe in marriage, ‘just really good divorces’.

Is Allsopp’s position an affront to feminism? I don’t think it is. Allsopp has brought up the issue of fertility, which – unfortunately – is unavoidable. It is a fixed constant – give or take a few years – in a woman’s life. But university and a career need not be.

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I’m 24, and spent three years at university between the ages of 18 and 21. Before that, I was at school. Fertility does begin to drop off around 35, so I’ve got about a decade to get things together. That’s not really that long. Things do feel a little pressurised. I think most of my female friends would agree. But for most of us, we didn’t even think of the other options, we just knew we had to get stuck into our careers, and the kids would come later. At 24, I don’t have a single married friend, let alone one with a child.

But maybe Allsopp is right. Maybe this route isn’t for everyone. The danger is that you feel like you’re ‘letting the side down’ nowadays if you choose children over a career. But that shouldn’t be the case – women should be able to prioritise family life and still call themselves feminists.

Women do need to be given options, because the route my friends and I seem to be going down (university, career, possibly kids) may not suit everyone. It may not even suit some of my friends going down it. We are yet to find out.

But let’s not kick Allsopp just because she dared suggest an alternative. Her proposal is just one, and while the career-driven feminists might be angered by it, it may make sense to some women. Feminism’s founding principles are ones based on equality and dignity, and her suggestion does not break with these. The whole point of the fight is to give women — all women — choice without coercion. Bullying Allsopp for suggesting an alternative does exactly the opposite.


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  • Adeski

    Why even send women to school at 4yo? They can be starting having babies and being good wifies at 12yo. Education is obviously wasted on women. Cheers Kirsty.

  • Terry Field

    Kirstie is quite correct. A ‘feminist’ who wishes to deny biology, or enslave men to let her live her selfish little dream is insane. and there is justice if she fails to reproduce, since she has behaved profoundly irrationally.

  • pajeroexceed

    Nothing is over till the fat lady songs. ( no reference to

  • pajeroexceed

    The expected Muslim growth of uk population numbers

    • Terry Field

      Compared to a full generation ago, Britain is a nightmare.
      Why anyone stays, other than the owners of the place, God knows.
      They musty be clinically insane

      • pajeroexceed

        We bleat on about this on a daily basis, but future generations will look back at what is taking place not just in this small overcrowded Island, but across the whole of Europe

  • LindaRivera

    Immigrants, most are muslims, have huge numbers of children – all paid for by indigenous Brits. Non-muslim Brits are FORCED to financially provide for muslim males and their harems of multiple wives. Each harem wife gets her own social housing and separate benefits. Brits have complained bitterly that they desperately want to have more children but are unable to do so because their high taxes have to support other families and children-immigrants. This guarantees that Britain will become a muslim nation within years ruled by vile women-hater, barbaric Islamic sharia law.

    Brother and sister infidels, please do your part for Western civilisation! Have lots and lots of children! This is the ONLY thing that can save our cherished nation!

    • pajeroexceed

      Spot on ! But what is mystifying is the number of people who vote for more of it every few years. The Government cannot believe its luck !! The wealthy always vote Tory, but these are the very people who will be ordered to foot the bill when it becomes totally unsustainable ( which won’t be long now ). at the rate of SEVEN THOUSAND IMMIGRANTS EVERY SEVEN DAYS ,
      The recent story of the posh lady in Newark who asked the UKIP representative to ‘ get out of her driveway ‘ is t

      • LindaRivera

        I’m a member of Paul Weston’s counter-jihad political party Liberty GB. The only party that has the courage to speak out about our terrifying situation.

        Paul Weston in Croydon: It’s Not Racist to Defend Your Country
        http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/home/root/news-libertygb/5798-paul-weston-in-croydon-it-s-not-racist-to-defend-your-country

        • pajeroexceed

          Good for you Linda

          • LindaRivera

            Indeed, every year things get worse for our people. May God help us!

        • pajeroexceed

          No, Linda. It is not in the remotest sense Racist to talk about genuine concerns that is impacting heavily on the UK

          Tony Blair and his cronies needed to stifle debate and he knew that his Governments open door Multicultural ‘ enrichment ‘ of our Island would set the cat amongst the pigeons and so the jibe of ‘ racist ‘ ‘ bigoted ‘ etc found its way into everyday Media channels,
          It was only partially effective. because ‘ as the weight of Immigration started to impact on an alarmed Society. Many people saw through the ploy and ignored it !! Few, Now allow such jibes to

          • LindaRivera

            The world ‘multicultural’ is used by ruling elites to deceive and mislead people. There is only ONE culture that is aggressively promoted in Europe and Britain: ISLAM.

  • pajeroexceed

    Set aside the expected anti UKIP rhetoric and look at the facts of the Newark ca

  • Colonel Mustard

    Gone right off her after seeing her dog whistling about UKIP on QT and the usual emotive guff about ‘enrichment’, etc.

  • La Fold

    “I want to be rich enough so my kids dont have to go to university!!”
    Tracey Morgan, 30 Rock.

  • Randy McDonald

    What happens if the relationship breaks down? Being a single mother without any higher education isn’t going to help a woman if she has to go on the job market.

    What happens if the parents (the mother alone?) can’t afford to buy a flat for their daughter? Can the daughter actually save up money for a deposit on a flat on their presumably entry-level job?

    Allsopp’s advice is actually really bad advice for anyone who isn’t the daughter of fairly wealthy people who are ready to commit to supporting them for long periods.

  • Liz

    None of this would be a problem if the world was organised to suit women as well as men. We’re still working to a system designed during the industrial revolution which is completely incompatible with female biology.

  • justejudexultionis

    I never really saw the point of having children. You can do a great deal of good by being single. The narcissistic element of having children cannot be discounted, nor the fact that the world is a sad and dangerous place, and life very short indeed, so that bringing a child into this world is not really quite rational.

  • justejudexultionis

    That other photo of Allsopp in the blue dress (the small one here on this site) has to rank as one of the most photoshopped photos of all time. There has to be some kind of law against – and against this overprivileged, foolish woman expressing any kind of opinion on anything whatsoever.

    • La Fold

      youve obviously never seen a copy of the Daily Sport!

    • pajeroexceed

      Tried to include my sentiments on this ‘ Post ‘ But had it censored ! Not bothered one iota. But my sentiments that are probably shared by many people. Is an approximation as that of the above

  • http://batman-news.com The Commentator

    Frankly no one is remotely interested in what feminists think about Allsop,or anything else. What I can tell you is that most men are head over heels in love with Kirsty Allsop – pick the bones out of that!

    • pajeroexceed

      you’ve got to be a troll. can you identify yourself as a human please. 2x#+[%]

  • drgee

    I was a little appalled that Kirsty Allsop was so vigorously attacked when she suggested having children as an alternative to the traditional university route may be a good idea. It plays to the radical feminist notion of the “female subjugated by biology” and it is a utilitarian viewpoint. But, it was her view point and it is valid for her and others. She dared to deviate from the prescribed single directive viewpoint which is propagated of following the ’20 year plan’ of education, career, house, children – therefore the media and politicians have moved against her as holding invalid views. The idea that university could come later and potentially be enjoyed more (both men and women) is perhaps too much for society to consider!

    • Randy McDonald

      “It plays to the radical feminist notion of the “female subjugated by biology” and it is a utilitarian viewpoint.”

      How? Why are women to be reduced only to their biology?

      • drgee

        Umm no; the concept is that as women carry babies they are biologically at a disadvantage in the current workspace. Reform of cultural practice is required

      • drgee

        Umm no; the concept is that as women carry babies they are biologically at a disadvantage in the current workspace. Reform of cultural practice is required

  • foxoles

    Hang on, Kirstie Allsopp herself didn’t go to university, went into property etc instead and yet she says she ‘only squeaked in by a miracle’ to motherhood at 42.

    So clearly, not going to university didn’t speed things up for her, did it?

  • abuska

    I don’t understand why it has to be one or the other. Why can’t we have both? Of course women should be aware of the fact that their fertility is not going to last forever, but just because one has chosen to go to university, pursue a career, maybe undertake further graduate study or training, doesn’t mean they are on a non-stop conveyor belt in their career until they are over 35. You can take your career seriously and plan to have a family by 27 and I don’t really think it is asking too much, if you are ready for it and that is what you want. We need to have a longer view of what “career” actually means – I truly hope that your twenties are not the only time that you can set your career in a certain direction. Sure, its a good time to get things done and dusted, like a degree and further training but this doesn’t preclude you from taking the time to think about and plan your personal ambitions as well as your professional ones.

  • Paul Weston

    English children are now minorities in several major British cities. They are being replaced by a demographic heavily reliant on the tax-payer. These non-English women start to have the first of several children at the age of sixteen. The English middle class women tend to have 1.5 children (on average) at around the age of thirty. Do the maths and you will find our immediate future is economically unsustainable, as is our racial and cultural control of this country.

    • Grey Wolf

      Why do the social elite that rule us have this death wish? I have not been able to understand that. I know that they are globalised (globally held wealth / citizens of the world etc.) but surely they can sense the demographic-cultural danger we face?

      I also know that decades of Frankfurt School / Cultural Marxism has prepared the ground that has led to the present situation but surely the social-political elite that rule us are smart enough to see that. Aren’t they?

      There is not enough acknowledgment of the fact that right through the cold war, the Western countries, in particular the US, UK, France and Germany, felt close to the barbaric, medieval countries from whence these Islamists come and opened their borders to these 7th century throwbacks. We literally wheeled the Trojan Horse in. Now a price has to be paid. We were so blind that we made films eulogising them. Remember one of the Rambo movies about Afghanistan and how it showed the Islamists fighting for ‘freedom’.

    • HorseshitHunter

      Perfectly Correct – but not PC…try to find a mainstream British politician of any stripe who will acknowledge this self-evident truth…

  • Paul Weston

    Dear feminists, you can have children, or you can have a Welfare State, but you cannot have both, for obvious reasons. You must also make sure that if you do NOT wish to have children you should not allow into your country those who DO want children….particularly if they share little of your culture, religion, tradition or heritage.

    Because then you will lose a great deal more than just the Welfare State. I wonder what history will make of feminism, an ideology which had never existed in the history of mankind pops into being circa 1950 and within 100 years doomed Western Civilisation to extinction.

    • HookesLaw

      You bothered to pull your head out of the toilet to write this?

      • Paul Weston

        Dear HookesLaw, taking one argument at a time, please explain how a Welfare State, which needs a constant replacement of future tax-payers, can possibly exist without a like-for-like replacement level of children?

        • Bonkim

          You are assuming a growing population equates to greater prosperity and tax revenue.

          • Paul Weston

            A growing population of working people who have to pay tax certainly equates to a greater tax revenue. This is unarguable. Also unarguable, is the simple fact that a declining population of tax paying workers leads to a lesser tax revenue. Not sure what your point is here.

            • Bonkim

              You are assuming higher population equates to higher GDP – it may not be – it all depends on the quality and productivity of the workforce, also whether economic activity and demand for labour are keeping pace with population growth.

              U.K wealth creation is lop-sided and more based on consumption of imported goods produced elsewhere and inflating housing market – false measure of wealth.

              UK earnings mainly from financial and international project services. As such increasing population particularly low skilled and from poorer backgrounds will not improve GDP but will be a drain on tax revenue unless social security is severely curtailed.

      • Grey Wolf

        Have you completely stopped thinking?

      • Bonkim

        a little harsh – Paul Weston has a point – the earth is overpopulated and Britain is 75% dependent on outside resources – a fast breeding pool of low-wage earners dependent on social security will soon bring third-world poverty to Britain in the next few decades.

        • pajeroexceed

          Immigration + birth rate is destined to cripple this Island ! To import seven thousands Immigrants every seven days is just asking for the roof to come down our society soon !
          We cannot even pay for a repair to the pot holes smothering our road system. Can we find Seven thousand places for such numbers to live every seven days ?
          There has to be an end to this. So why not now? twenty one thousand people from all corners of the world in the past three weeks ! ? THREE WEEKS ! Just think about that for a moment ! Get it wrong ( and we have got it dreadfully wrong)
          and we are heading towards irreversible disaster, There is no let up. nor a mechanism to bring it to an end unless we leave the EU very urgently, Yet millions will vote for more of it next year. because they are told that the economy is picking up! Yes, it has picked up slightly but the impact on our infrastructure is unsustainable ….

    • Randy McDonald

      “Dear feminists, you can have children, or you can have a Welfare State, but you cannot have both, for obvious reasons.”

      What are they?

    • pajeroexceed

      I like your ‘ post ‘ ( above ). straight to the point

  • RiseOfDivergents

    Feminism has been promoting hate, violence and call for male genocides for decades:

    Feminists sent death threats to Erin Pizzey, the woman who opened the first modern DV shelter for women, her mistake, she said women can be as cruel and violent as men. Her dog was killed and her entire family received death threats, she lived in exile for years
    http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=a41532d6-d4df-46a2-a784-f6499938f3b0

    Feminists teamed up with liberal academia to advocate for eugenics, mass sterilization, and mass murder in the United States.http://hnn.us/article/1796

    Feminists using violence to silence speakers and abusing and physically intimidating attendees at University of Toronto
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUb9Yb2ucZI

    Feminists are encouraging women to beat their husbands and boy friends:
    http://jezebel.com/294383/have-you-ever-beat-up-a-boyfriend-cause-uh-we-have/all

    Feminists calling for male genocide using twitter: https://twitter.com/search?q=%23killallmen&src=hash

    7000 Violent feminists attacked and sexually assaulted christian men
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUb9Yb2ucZI

    Recently, feminists sent death threats to double tree hotel and its staffs because they are hosting Men’s issues awareness conference, http://www.avoiceformalestudents.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/AVFM-Security-Letter-REDACTED.pdf

    Feminists are sending death threats to the people concerned with current men and boys issues.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDD6UxYZMxs

    It is clear that feminism is a terror and hate group and feminists are terrorists, it is time to take action to maintain democracy, peace in our society. Sign the petition to ask the government to class feminism as a terrorist group

    http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/the-government-its-time-to-class-feminism-as-a-terrorist-group

    • Grey Wolf

      You are easily scared, mate. What is the matter with you? Calm the eff down.

    • Liz

      While patriarchy has been actually doing them.

  • Chingford Man

    Kirstie Allsop: Cameron groupie and UKIP hater.

  • Clara Cloggs

    I must say that I agree with KA. I went to university , got the degrees and the dream job and had my daughter at 38. Within three years I hated that dream job and wanted more children but it was too late, be careful what you wish for

    • Fergus Pickering

      But that could just as easily have happened to a man. Children change your life. Of course they do.

      • iviv44

        yes, but a man at 42 is going to find it much easier to extend the family (with a younger partner if necessary?) to reflect those new priorities

        • Fergus Pickering

          Are you sure? I thought modern men lacked sperm. I am not a modern man, thank God.

          • iviv44

            They may well lack sperm relative to guys of an older lifestyle (and no contraceptive pill homones in the water etc), but the point here is that the rate of loss of fertility for guys in their 40s is dramatically less than for females

          • Peppered Angus

            Take the a group of average men and women in their mid-40s. Chances are that the men are still much more fertile than the women. It’s a fact of biology, declining numbers of functional sperm compared to olden days or not, there’s more of a chance that a man can provide offspring late into his life than a woman.

    • Bonkim

      Wanting more children should be a crime on an overpopulated earth..

  • Lane Cobble

    The idea that you have until 35 is also misleading. No girl should ever be counting on being able to conceive easily after age 28. It all depends on the individual woman. Plenty of women have not been successful in having kids after age 30. Many, many women had to go all the way to the point of IVF in order to finally conceive after 30.

    IVF is expensive. Those kids cost a lot of money to produce, not to mention the emotional and time investments both you and your husband have to put in to even get to that point… the worrying, the crying, the feelings of inadequacy, the doctors visits, the tests, the fears in both you and your husband not ever producing your own offspring, the explanations and phone calls to parents and in-laws and siblings and on and on… That’s a ton of stress to be putting on a marriage.

    Don’t count on you being able to have kids at 35, don’t count on it at 30.

  • Mrs Josephine Hyde-Hartley

    I don’t want my children to go to university either. I’d rather they got a job at 16 and learn how to play the real field.

    • swatnan

      Proud to be the first Hyde-Hartley not to go to University?

      • Grey Wolf

        Did you come to the UK after completing your 3rd world university degree or did you bedevil us before that?

    • Kitty MLB

      But university education is about more then academic
      qualifications. Its about the joy of leaning, once that
      spark has been lit and associating with different people.
      But I suppose you might be able to do that without
      university.People have a choice.

  • Bonkim

    University education is not for all – given that many low-IQ students go through University and pay differentials have tumbled it is now a devalued product.
    I am all for Kirstie’s first suggestion – regards the second the earth is over-populated – whatever you do don’t bring more babies to the planet. Resources are dwindling fast, land, water, and air getting polluted, why inflict suffering on yet new people on earth.

    • Kaine

      I plan to have as many kids as possible in the hopes one of them will work out how to deal with the rising population.

      • Fergus Pickering

        I thought you were a bloke.

      • Bonkim

        Watch out – child allowances could be scrapped by the next Conservative Government. By the time your progeny goes through University and learns how to snuff out future generations – there will be a few more billions marching destitute, hungry, and homeless tearing the place apart.

        • Grey Wolf

          I will direct those hungry billions to your home. What’s your address?

          • Bonkim

            I will have to mount machine guns all round.

  • Grey Wolf

    Kirstie Alsopp, there are at least 2 good reasons to like her.

    • Liz

      Why does anyone need to know that?

  • DaveTheRave

    I don’t know about anything else but shunning university is a good idea – unless you’re loaded.

  • http://mrsdbliss.blogspot.com/ MrsDBliss

    Mmmm, it’s very telling that Huffington’s divorce quote doesn’t raise eyebrows, however I read the comments below the original article for this and they were vitriolic. The bottom line is you can’t dictate fertility. I and lots of women I know left it too late. I was fortunate to adopt a little girl, but many of my friends are heart broken and although they enjoy their careers when they’ve had a few their sadness about this comes out. Why is it so wrong to say this?
    There were many jobs years ago that you only needed A levels for that you now need degrees and, considering the cost of degrees, I wonder if it’s not just a money making scam.

    • Ted Cunterblast

      Of course it is. Does the economy really need more Media Studies graduates?

      • LucieCabrol

        We may not need more media studies graduates, but we certainly need a pile more sociology and female studies grads…the amount of ‘something must be done’, and ‘it shouldn’t be allowed’ emanating from the guardian, Standard and Indy at present is through the red terror level…

    • Darnell Jackson

      I wonder how many of your heart broken friends had a termination along the way?

      This is not to judge but simply an observation that time catches up with everyone.

      • MrsDBliss

        Oh, I think that’s definitely the case. Also how many heartbroken women realise, following the conception of a ‘wanted’ child that it isn’t just a bunch of cells? Lies don’t help women.

  • Smithersjones2013

    Oh this is so funny! Cat fight!

    • Liz

      When men fight, it’s serious, chin stroking stuff.

      When women disagree it’s a cat fight.

      What fools men are.

  • Cornelius Bonkers

    (cont) Am I right in thinking KA has some kind of monied background? Well even if she hasn’t got money in her background she has it in her present and her future; she must have made a fortune out of being an ESTATE AGENT and professional Sloane – she even whines and speaks through her nose. having to listen to half-wits like this is a very bad sign and the question that bloggers should be addressing with their rapier insight

    • HookesLaw

      Am I right in thinking you are an obnoxious litre sh!t?

      • Cornelius Bonkers

        Maybe I am; but on what grounds? Are you an ESTATE AGENT or just a would-be blogger?

  • Cornelius Bonkers

    “Maybe she’s right”? Here’s the problem; of course she’s right but for most people for the wrong reason. How many “ordinary” folk can help their children get into property? Er…!!! almost none.

  • Ted Cunterblast

    This is excellent advice.

    Let’s be honest about it. Women don’t belong in the universities, and they don’t belong in offices (except as secretaries). A woman’s primary role is to bear and raise children and to be a help-mate to her man. Full stop.

    The growing legions of single, depressed, childless spinsters are testament to the excesses of feminism and free-market capitalism.

    • Fergus Pickering

      A man’s true role is to father children. He has no other..

      • Kitty MLB

        Children certainly improve chaps.Some can be somewhat selfish until fatherhood.But they must
        never think themselves as just a Aberdeen Angus
        Bull… Poor fellows will develop a complex.

        • Fergus Pickering

          I am no bull. Who would wish to be a bull? All balls and no brain. Brrrrr..

          • Kitty MLB

            Aberdeen Angus ones are clever & friendly.
            There is one in the field at the bottom of the
            hill that I always feed apples to.I am sure he
            prefers to be a cow then a sheep who are not
            awfully bright or pretty.
            How could Fergus ever be a bull. Its obvious
            that he’s a highly intelligent woodland creature.
            And never heard of Brrrrr before, don’t know
            what it means but amused me.

            • Fergus Pickering

              I am a stag beetle, a noble creature, though rather small.

              • Kitty MLB

                I’m rather impressed. A most spectacular creature and
                charismatic, with fine antlers. But you used to scare the wits
                out of medieval peasants, who thought such noble creatures
                summoned thunderstorms and caused fires- not
                good for those huts!
                They called your fellow creatures billy witches and thunder
                beetles..a disgrace if you ask me.
                I hope the tree sprites, who live in the place you inhabit,
                within the ancient woodland, guard you from those who wish
                to eat you and little boys who wish to collect you, in match boxes.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  I don’t think little boys do that any more. William has become an alien species.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Oh poor little William ! I became a watering pot
                  when reading this.How can this happen to
                  such a fine specimen.Yet there are hundreds
                  of dung beetles around, William doesn’t want
                  to mix with them.
                  No not many little boys do that anymore,
                  detached from nature unfortunately.
                  I was a little girl who collected ladybirds for
                  a while. So it was not only you boys who
                  did that stuff……And I’d wager that you did
                  and other stuff with frogs, just the type.I’d
                  better go, send all dung beetles my
                  regards, Fergus dear old chap.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  Perhaps you never read the William books. William had a stag beetle and kept it in a drawer. He fed it on marmalade. Its name was Albert.

                • Kitty MLB

                  No I clearly have not, bright red with embarrassment.They sound just the type of
                  books I’d like, clearly I have missed out.
                  Such as life.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  Richmal Crompton wrote them. They are still amusing to adults. Try them and see.

                • Kitty MLB

                  I will most certainly do that.I do love books that
                  amuse me. Humour I think can be ageless.
                  I’ll try them and see.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Oh a correction, I meant send the remaining
                  Stag Beetle my regards Fergus dear.
                  Away at the moment and using this table,
                  which doesn’t approve of me.

      • justejudexultionis

        No, his role is to serve God and love his fellow man (and woman).

        SOLI DEO GLORIA

        • Fergus Pickering

          Well yeah. That too.

    • justejudexultionis

      What a load of crap. So you think Margaret Thatcher should have stayed at home rather than becoming one of the most prominent political leaders of the last century? Do you think Hannah Arendt and Golda Meir should have stayed at home too?

    • Liz

      Get a job.

    • Randy McDonald

      Why aren’t women people?

  • http://www.readmypoems.co.uk Alison

    A good compromise is to do what my mother did. Marry a man 15 or even twenty years your junior. Healthy young males produce healthy babies. It is slightly riskier having children in your forties if you are a woman, and my sisters and I were not my mothers first children. Nevertheless we were born when she was 41, 43 and 45. So go to university, have a good career, earn loads of money, setlle down with a house and find yourself a handsome toy boy. That is my advice to my daughters.Everyone’s a winner, because the older your mother was when you were born the longer you live.

    • Lane Cobble

      Flat-out horrible advice. Wow.

    • Cornelius Bonkers

      Is this an empirically demonstrated fact? OR are you talking out of your fundament?

  • Rhoda Klapp8

    Not going to university is a sensible option for some. So is deferring a family. Deciding to get married and settle down should not be planned, it should be something you just have to do when the time comes.

    However, screaming and condemning when someone has an opinion, that is daft.

    • Kitty MLB

      Very well said. People can plan as much as they like,
      but sometimes life takes you on a different road.

      • RobertC

        It is important to plan, when one can. It keeps the brain working.

        It is also important to know that plans can be changed, thrown away, turned upside down, inside out, or just followed, and then changed, thrown away, etc, etc! But it is better to this after some thought and consulting relevant parties.

  • Jason Walton

    The fertility decline starts in the late 20s.

  • Kitty MLB

    Well that is the problem of life, is it not chaps can father children well into their
    50s but ladies hit a ‘brick wall’ around 35 years of age.
    I can assure you some woman can manage to have a degree and have
    children, if they want to have them. A lot depends on a supportive husband,and
    what type of job you chose to do. If you chose to write or teach etc instead
    of working for a multinational company then it may be easier.
    Some don’t go to university, chose not to be ‘ tied down’ with children too young,
    or are just unable to find the right chap to marry. Is it not the same issue for them.
    Some women are career women, feminists, go to university and just don’t want to have children or get their eggs frozen ( if you can do that)

    • Fergus Pickering

      My wife had two children at thirty-eight and forty-two. Her mother had four children when she was over thirty-five. What balls people talk.

      • Kitty MLB

        My grandmother had her children in her late 30s,
        my cousin in her mid 40s and I in my early 20s due
        to health issues. Its all to do with life and luck. I shall
        be visiting some one who only has a few more weeks
        Left to live tomorrow. Life and death just happens
        regardless of age, but health and luck are issues.
        And yes dear old chap sometimes people talk balls,
        that happens regardless of age, as well.

        • Fergus Pickering

          Not you of course, Kitty. Never you.

          • Kitty MLB

            She has been proved wrong by you anyway, and I am sure many others.I only thought you
            meant me for the most fleeting of confused
            moments and then realised you were talking
            generally, dear old thing.

  • 2trueblue

    It is just another view, and it is biased purely towards “get a house, get a man, get a baby, or two.”. So she would help her daughter to get a flat and then help her find a nice boyfriend, so that she can have babies. Pretty narrow view.
    There is nothing to stop her helping her child go to university, but a house/flat, take in tenants (other students), and end up with a stake in the property ladder and have a chosen career. Just because Kirsty did not go to university and has so far been successful does not mean her way is the only way.
    Kirtsy comes from a very comfortable background, and a father who is chairman of Christies.

    • Aethelflaed

      “end up with a stake in the property ladder and have a chosen career” [perhaps], and be a lonely old woman with no family. Another view, that is pretty narrow.

      Kirsty is right – be honest with daughters, grand-daughters, god- daughters, and young friends. Most women care about family, a famiy can be very fulfilling, think carefully about creating a family, it is harder than creating a career or a fulfilling occupation. The latter you can do at anytime, the family you can only do in your younger years.

      • 2trueblue

        “think carefully about creating a family”, absolutely. The more skills you can bring to having and sustaining a family the better. University is not a life sentence, there are other ways of training for a job/career.

    • Randy McDonald

      Exactly! How can this advice work for someone who doesn’t come from a very well-off background?

  • goatmince

    “In defence of Kirstie Allsopp, feminist”

    W-ahahaha! One can ‘locate’ some surplus pounds on one’s hips. Why not invest them into hard graft in another (property) location, or SIPs?

    • Camilla Swift

      Thus speaks a true feminist

      • goatmince

        Sorry I never mince my words. Sorry …. sorry.

        • LucieCabrol

          goat, mince yourself.

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