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David Cameron’s inaction has fuelled the row between Michael Gove and Theresa May over extremism in schools

4 June 2014

11:47 AM

4 June 2014

11:47 AM

The row between Michael Gove and Theresa May over how best to tackle Islamist extremism in schools is typical of how tense things get between these two whenever the subject of Islamist extremism arises. Gove wants to wage intellectual war on Islamist extremism, taking on the argument wherever it raises its head. May, heavily influenced by the civil servant Charles Farr, who is very much part of her circle, thinks that a distinction has to be drawn between extremism and violent extremism.

But this problem would never have arisen if Number 10 had made the Prime Minister’s writ run on this subject. Cameron in his 2011 Munich speech made clear that he wanted even non-violent extremism tackled:

‘Now, you might say, as long as they’re not hurting anyone, what is the problem with all this? Well, I’ll tell you why. As evidence emerges about the backgrounds of those convicted of terrorist offences, it is clear that many of them were initially influenced by what some have called ‘non-violent extremists’, and they then took those radical beliefs to the next level by embracing violence. And I say this is an indictment of our approach to these issues in the past. And if we are to defeat this threat, I believe it is time to turn the page on the failed policies of the past. So first, instead of ignoring this extremist ideology, we – as governments and as societies – have got to confront it, in all its forms.’

But Downing Street has simply not followed through on this speech in a prolonged and committed way. First, Nick Clegg was allowed to give a speech distancing himself from it and suggesting Cameron was speaking only for the Tories which gave recalcitrant civil servants the excuse they needed not to implement this agenda. Second, Cameron has failed to make the Home Office adopt this approach. If he had, this row would not be happening today. ​

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  • montana83

    ……”a distinction has to be drawn between extremism and violent extremism”.
    Definition of Extremism:
    Imam in Brit School: “Jews, Hindus, Christians are infidels and it is righteous to murder, kidnap, rape, steal from and torture these kfirs. Koran sura numbers 1,2,3,4,5,6,7………, Hadith 1,2,3,4 blah blah…..Sira 1,2,3,4…..”
    Definition of Violent Extremism upon listening to culturally enriching immigrant above:
    “Mohammed, wow those were nicely done beheadings of those British Jews, Christians and HIndus”. Way to go buddy”.
    Wake up you guys.

  • http://english-pensioner.blogspot.co.uk/ english_pensioner

    I believe Cameron is lazy and certainly not a good manager. The problem should have been assigned to one minister and the others should have been told to co-operate. As it is, no-one seems to have looked at the overall situation, with each minister just dealing with issues which might effect his/her department. That is a recipe for inaction, something I soon learnt in my first year working as a junior engineer, but which, of course, has not been learnt by our leaders as they’ve never done any serious work outside politics where someone would be standing over them expecting results.

  • evad666

    May should read http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gods-Terrorists-Wahhabi-Hidden-Modern/dp/0349118795.
    Both need to address the threat.

  • Shazza

    Over at Breitbart London, they are reporting that Mehdi Hasan in his column in the Huffington Post is comparing Michael Gove with Anders Breivik.

    I tried to post earlier that this Trojan Horse plot no longer represents the thin edge of the wedge as the door now is wide open and that the chickens had come to roost. I suggested that the Left and their comrades have ensured a very troubled future for this country.

    Now a good man like Michael Gove is being compared to a mass murderer for the crime of refusing to be a dhimmi and not aiding the further islamification of this country.

    • Count Boso

      “this Trojan Horse plot no longer represents the thin edge of the wedge as the door now is wide open and that the chickens had come to roost.”

      And the winner of this year’s mixed metaphor trophy is…

    • Cyril Sneer

      “Mehdi Hasan in his column in the Huffington Post is comparing Michael Gove with Anders Breivik.”

      This is so typical of the left, utter bullsh t merchants.

      • Shazza

        Yup. That’s why they get on so well with the RoP. Birds of a feather……

  • Bonkim

    Extremism and bigotry will have to be rooted out wherever they raise their heads.

  • HookesLaw

    Inaction? What are ‘ministers’ for? What are govt departments for? Its their jobs to run their own departments properly. How big is the govt? Does every action require the PM? How i possible is that? Give I think has been a success, but he is the minister of education… he controls the systems that run schools.

    • Mynydd

      It is the Prime Minister’s job to make sure his appointed ministers are doing their jobs. In the case of the Birmingham’s schools Mr Gove has failed to do his. It now becomes Mr Cameron’s job to sack him.

  • Jack Dawson

    Inaction? David Cameron? Some mistake, surely?

  • Liberty

    So I suppose that it is OK with the government that the EU and the US bankroll Hamas and made it unlawful to support terrorist outfits – specifically mentioning Hamas – because it has perpetrated atrocities in the EU and US and is such an inspiration to the crazies.

  • Grey Wolf

    Those who violently profess Islamist values and want it to prevail over English / British values should put their money where their filthy mouth is. Leave the country and go to your Islamist land. There you can have all the Burqa, Halal and desert-god worship that you want. F*U*C*K OFF.

    • Shazza

      Censorship is alive and well today. I have just been moderated for telling the truth.
      So good for you Grey Wolf – keep them coming.

    • mattghg

      The problem is that it is part of their Islamist value system to want to subdue the whole world to it.

      • Grey Wolf

        I know that, mate. I have a good understanding of the middle-eastern desert, Abrahamic religions and their monochromatic, tyrannical and cruel view of the world. They don’t gel with the European soul.

        • Bonkim

          Christianity does not suit Europe. It took Centuries to introduce it in the first place.

          • Cyril Sneer

            What utter tosh Bonkim.

            • Bonkim

              Abrahamic faiths took root in the Middle East Mr Sneer and was only thrust upon Europe once it put the mantle of Rome complete with the trimmings of its Caesar – then battling with the Pagan heritage of Europe. Culturally Christianity belongs to the Middle-East – and the greatest numbers of unthinking adherents in Asia, Africa and South America. European renaissance and emergence of science and technology and world supremacy over the past three hundred years arises from renunciation off blind Middle-East religiosity. Europe’s natural Gods are quite different.

  • sarahsmith232

    Oh there’s a surprise, Cameron makes a speech which turns out to be nothing more than voter tempting hot air. Is there any evidence that he’s ever made a speech which isn’t?

    • sarahsmith232

      12 Bills today, zero about immigration. It’s been revealed today that hundreds of immigration raids have been sabotaged by a mole. Where was the bill to make impeding, tipping off, deliberating sabotaging an immigration officer illegal and carry a stiff sentence? So long as doing this will only result in a bit of a telling off then they’ll be Left=wingers getting up to this. What about what’s been going on in Islamic schools? What about turning the radicalisation of kids into something that carries a very stiff sentence. 12 Bills, zero about this.

      • sarahsmith232

        Ahh, so it was the last part that was the comment too far.
        Hmm, so which part was it, no swear words, nothing.
        Cameron will be becoming an alcoholic while getting really very fat in his Toff rural Oxfordshire pubs for an existence in the not too distant future
        will that be ok?/

        • sarahsmith232

          So the -‘ fat, alcoholic member of the long-term unemployed’ part is ok but the comment on immigration isn’t, hmmm, daft

        • HookesLaw

          You are a sad pathetic clueless hysteric.

          • Grey Wolf

            Full of ignorance, you blather once again. Will you never learn?

      • HookesLaw

        Do not be silly, obstructing police officers is already an offence.
        There are no measures on immigration because they were introduced ages ago. The influx of bogus students was acted upon as soon as the govt came to power.

    • Mr Grumpy

      Yes, but only when the follow-through makes him look liberal and not conservative. So we get gay marriage and at the same time a blind eye turned to schools turning out kids who think gays should be stoned.

      • sarahsmith232

        Spot on. He’s a useless, superficial Blair clone, exactly the same logic you’d expect from a 1990s New Labour follower.

        • Cyril Sneer

          Indeed… whilst many on the left seem utterly incapable of understanding our view in that there is no real tangible difference between liblabcon. This only highlights their ignorance imo.

        • FrenchNewsonlin

          Well he did call himself the heir to Blair so at least there are no terminological inexactitudes there!

    • Mynydd

      Just another example of Mr Cameron talking the talk, but failing to walk the walk.

  • Martin Adamson

    Gove is in the right on this – the distinction between “violent” and “non-violent” extremism is an entirely bogus one that does nothing but serve the interests of the islamists. It is a good-cop bad-cop tactic invented with the sole purpose of lulling gullible western liberals into a false sense of security. Britain has allowed itself to become the Islamist world’s safe haven where active front-line Islamist armies of Nigeria, Mali, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Pakistan, Thailand etc can be financed, armed, recruited, rested, healed and ideologically supported. We are a vital link in the Islamists’ chain of financing through crime, creating false identities, intelligence operations, ideological justification, propaganda production/distribution, logistics and other behind the front lines general staff functions. If we have seen no large scale attacks on our own soil since the 7 July bombings, it is not because we are not targets, but because this British base has become too valuable to compromise by foolish small scale actions.

    • Grey Wolf

      Points well made. Good job.

      I have no idea why Islamists are not being deported to their 3rd world hell-holes by our political elite. That’s what makes me a bit suspicious. This Gove versus May is an inconsequential, phoney fight to keep the British fooled. We know both are ineffective idiots who love their own voice.

      • Mynydd

        It is not a phoney fight, but a deadly one for the party leadership when Mr Cameron looses the 2015 general election.

      • FrenchNewsonlin

        No, Gove has been very consistent in his views on the Islamists and for a long time before he became a minister. He is absolutely correct. If he fails to prevail over wishy washy May and her coterie, it will be regarded by the hardline pseudo-religious ideologists imposing their will unremittingly across Europe, as yet another victory .

    • Aberrant_Apostrophe

      Quite frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if the UK was attacked some time in the near future by another country that suffered attacks from militant Islamists, on the basis that the UK gives aid and succour to them.

      • Martin Adamson

        Certainly, the drones that now fall on the Yemen or Helmland province would often be more effective if aimed at houses in suburban Leicester or Bradford. I wonder if they can make them accurate enough to take out one side of a semi-detached while leaving the other intact.

        • Hexhamgeezer

          A drone launching a Hellfire would do the trick (should that be possible)

    • Mynydd

      Mr Gove is the education minister and as such, he along with his team are responsible the English schools. His department was told in 2010 about Islamist’s take over Birmingham schools and have down nothing about it. He has failed in his job and should be sacked. Just imagine what Mr Cameron would have said at PMQs if it had happened in Welsh schools.

      • Martin Adamson

        Certainly he should have done more – but he is right to point out that it was the job of the Home Office to keep the enemies of Britain out of the country in the first place.

        • Mynydd

          From what I have read these enemies of Britain were born here. Mr Gove has had four years to take action, as failed to do so, he must go. I am surprised Mr Cameron hasn’t blamed the last labour government for it, maybe it’s early days yet.

  • LadyDingDong

    I believe this typifies what is Cameron’s biggest problem and one that Milllliband shares. Both believe that if you say something, then it gets done, but those of us who have actually worked in commerce know that, whenever a strategy is articulated, it has to be followed through to the end, or until it is seen to fail. Whenever Cameron, or Millllliband make these pronouncements, they seem to think that their lieutenants will pick up the policy and make it work, but the reality is, unless specific actions are assigned and clear objectives and desired outcomes defined, then you will end up with a number of inconclusive actions that may, or may not, arrive at the same, different or wrong conclusions. Any decent tyro management consultant knows this, but of course our leaders have never worked at anything outside of politics so they know sweet eff all.

    • Martin Adamson

      Absolutely correct, this is the key failure of the modern state not just in Britain but globally.

    • Grey Wolf

      Absolutely brilliant.

    • telemachus

      And of course Farage who comes from commerce would not get into this mess
      *
      Come on the problem is not lack of commerce experience
      It is the mono focus of Gove on his Educational Social Darwinism Free Schools and May on her shoes

    • Mynydd

      Do you not understand that Mr Cameron as Prime Minister has the power to get things done, whereas Mr Miliband as Leader of the Opposition has no power, I repeat, no power, to get things done. If you want to criticize Mr Cameron’s inability to manage his cabinet and ministers, do so by all means, but don’t belittle yourself by mis-spelling names.

    • Mynydd

      Do you not understand that Mr Cameron as Prime Minister has the power to get things done, whereas Mr Miliband as Leader of the Opposition has no power, I repeat, no power, to get things done. If you want to criticize Mr Cameron’s inability to manage his cabinet and ministers, do so by all means, but don’t belittle yourself by mis-spelling names.

      • HookesLaw

        The point is she is claiming Miliband has the same mindset, not that Miliband has some measure of power.
        I believe her basic premise is wrong.

        • LadyDingDong

          If you think my basic premise is wrong it is because you are an unthinking Tory wet prepared to support Cameron even when he is demonstrably displaying non-Tory values. The great lady drove through change by holding her Ministers’ feet to the flames and expecting them to deliver on her promises. Cameron and the muppet Milllliband are political neophytes who are quick to promise without understanding how to deliver.

          You must understand that others can be just as Conservative as you purport to be without having to toe the party line and agree with all that CCHQ says. We should unite against the morons in labtard who reduced this country to the status of a third-world ineptocracy, but we must forever be allowed to disagree where appropriate. Our common purpose is with small letters, not with that evil organisation advanced by the lefty trolls and (too many) Social Democrats who infest this place and the party we both should love.

          • Mynydd

            Mrs Thatcher promised to replace domestic rates, without any idea what to replace them with. She then held her Minister’s feet to the flames expecting them to deliver on her promise. Result, the Poll Tax, the biggest government catastrophe of all time. It was the beginning of the end for the great lady Mrs Thatcher, to be replaced by an unthinking Tory wet, John Major.

            • DWWolds

              The biggest government catastrophe of all time has to be when Blair took us into an illegal war on the basis of lies.

              • Mynydd

                It was not an illegal war the house of commons and the House of Lords approve it, therefore it cannot be illegal.

    • HookesLaw

      As I say above the issue is wider than individuals… Mrs Thatcher had the same problems which got worse when Whitelaw retired. Brown went out of his way to obstruct Blair.
      The issue is one of ministers doing their jobs properly and in a coalition this is more difficult to police.

      • Mynydd

        The issue is not about policing the coalition. Mr Gove and Mrs May are both Conservative ministers therefore if he had the will and ability, Mr Cameron could put a stop to it before it got to media headlines. In reality these are part of the campaigns to become the party leader after the 2015 election, because both believe Mr Cameron will lose it.

    • evad666

      Its called management and we no longer do that in the UK.

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