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Cameron: I speak for disillusioned European voters

13 June 2014

13 June 2014

David Cameron is today pleading with European leaders to drop their support for Jean-Claude Juncker as president of the European Commission. In an article published in a series of newspapers across Europe, the Prime Minister argues that the EU needs ‘bold leadership – people ready to heed voters’ concerns and to confront the challenges Europe faces’. While claiming that his critique of the way spitzenkandidaten are chosen is ‘not an attack on Mr Juncker, an experienced European politician’, his article is quite clear that Juncker does not meet the job description as Cameron sees it.

Cameron wants to set himself up as one of the few European leaders who is listening to the people of Europe after the elections last month. He writes that voters ‘sent a clear message’, that they are ‘disillusioned’ and ‘are demanding change so it focuses on what they care about: growth and jobs’. And what Cameron thinks voters want sounds suspiciously like his vision for Europe:

‘And they want the EU to help them, not dictate to them. This was clear through the rise of anti-EU parties; the fall in turnout in the majority of countries; and the decline in support for the European Parliament’s largest political groups.

‘The question now for Europe’s leaders is: how do we respond to this message? The results should be a wake-up call for leaders across Europe. The future of the EU is at stake. It must either change or accept further decline. Britain’s position is clear: we want the EU to succeed. To uphold liberty, peace and democracy across our continent and to spur prosperity.’

The question is whether Cameron claiming he’s on the side of the European people goes down well with the leaders he is trying to persuade, or irritates them by appearing patronising. But one thing’s for sure: the Prime Minister is going to leave no stone unturned in his quest to block Juncker.


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  • global city

    Not a mention of dropping ‘Ever closer Union’…. why not?

  • Rillian

    UKIP should just promise to leave the EU in 2015, should they get a majority.

    Providing they have reasonable policies I bet they’d do well.

  • R Fairless

    Unlike Cameron I’ve always been against the EU recognising the lies and treachery that induced many people to vote in. Edward Heath, pompous and arrogant, was a traitor and liar.; a liar before Parliament and a liar to the people. He knowingly sacrificed much of our sovereignty and more importantly his ultimate treachery was the abandonment of the Dominions in favour of the EU. Their huge sacrifices in World Wars I and II to aid the mother country were in vain. He dumped them for the very enemies who had tried to destroy us. To me, the EU was, and is everything England was opposed to; a continental Communist/Marxist super State ruled from the centre by Communists, Marxists, Maoists and similar totalitarian bureaucrats.
    Cameron embraced the EU with all the enthusiasm of the faithful and he is only pretending otherwise because of the growing strength of the opposition, principally from UKIP. So, I do not trust him, either his words or his deeds and if the Conservative Party has any sense (doubtful) they will get rid of him as soon as possible.

  • Bonkim

    Cameron knows well that Merkel and her side will carry on regardless, and Juncker will get his position. Cameron will need a political case for the referendum and that he has tried his best. He is preparing his case for that. The EU is doomed regardless of Cameron’s actions. Best if Britain is outside when it implodes.

  • Wessex Man

    Cameron speaking for the disillusioned- hilarious!

    He’s speaking for himself and the rump Tory party that he’s desperate to hold together and at the same time trying to tempt back the thousands who have left for UKip.

    Cameron’s term in Office would have been a complete disaster if he had not had a very competent Chancellor, the only success of this government.

  • Conway

    Cameron wants to set himself up as one of the few European leaders who
    is listening to the people of Europe after the elections last month.
    ” You mean Cameron wants to pose as someone who is listening to the people. In truth he is ignoring the people of the UK.

  • Smithersjones2013

    What a patronising stunt! Cameron does not speak for us!

    We don’t want Cameron and we don’t want the EU! Roll on 2015 and we will be rid of him!

    • Bonkim

      Live in hope.

  • black11hawk

    I don’t get why we’re opposing Juncker in the first place, I cannot find a single quote of him saying he wants a federal Europe or a United States of Europe. He wants further integration in the Eurozone, so what? Let them have it. He has also said he’s willing to do a deal with the UK so long as we respect the four freedoms. Well that seems pretty good to me. We have had no such guarantees from Helle Thorning-Schmidt, a centre-left social democrat and whilst she seems like a charming and competent leader, it seems unlikely she would share our vision for the future of the EU.

    • FlippityGibbit

      If the “four freedoms” include Uncontrolled Immigration he’s dead in the water!

  • FlippityGibbit

    No you don’t! The ONLY party speaking for disillusioned Voters is UKIP. Anybody you speak for can only be delusional!. Your promise that UKIP Voters would be voting Tory next year ain’t looking so hot now, is it? And that’s just 2 days later, what about next week, next month? Get out, resign, do the honourable thing and at least give your party a chance!

  • dalai guevara

    That’s how democracy works – there are those who get their way and those who do not. True democrats can live with that. When a NORTHERN ALLIANCE appears to be nothing but a conceptual chimaera, then with a few small adjustments we will note what it really is: a NO ALLIANCE.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      …so what type of alliance do you and all your sockpuppets have, lad?

  • Pier66

    BEST THING FOR BRITAIN IS CALL AN EARLIER REFERENDUM TO GO OUT
    EU, NEXT 7 MAY 2015 PERFECT TIME TO LET THE BRITAIN PEOPLE A WORD!
    BRITAIN IS BETTER OFF OUTSIDE THE EUROSCUM!
    YNWA AND TORY ALL THE WAY

  • allymax bruce

    UK PM David Cameron should have got himself ‘a
    well organised thinker’ (James Forsyth), to stop his Calamitous nature from asking President
    Obama for a ‘favour’ to ‘promote’ the Bitter-Together Union! Now,
    President Obama is inclined to re-balance that ‘favour’ by giving Alex’
    Salmond a ‘Favour’ too !

    Has Cameron ‘asked’ Hillary Clinton for a ‘favour’ too ? Hillary came out this morning saying she thinks “it’s a loss for both sides if Scotland went Independent”. But, only a few years ago, Hillary said the same thing against Gay Marriage! Nobody called her homophobic or anything like that; we all just knew she would come round to the ‘right idea’ after she had time to think about it !

    She’s a sweetie really; but when Labour’s Douglas Alexander starts ‘using’ Hillary in his propaganda, trying to scare & con the ‘women of Scotland’, into being fearful of voting, then we all know it’s gone beyond a ‘decent’ campaign by the Unionist Bitter-Together.

    James Forsyth, in his latest article, (once scotland votes, it’s England;s turn, …), says, “Even if Scotland votes No, more powers will move to Holyrood.”
    That’s
    exactly what everyone thinks in Scotland! We know the Unionists have
    been telling us loads of scaremongering lies, and trying to con us with
    ‘jam tomorrow’ lying promises! Nobody believes a word the
    Bitter-Together liars say anymore.

  • Denis_Cooper

    Meanwhile …

    http://euobserver.com/eu-elections/124585

    “EP leaders tell Van Rompuy to nominate Juncker”

    Or else.

  • Denis_Cooper

    Assuming that Cameron’s article in the Irish Times:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/invented-process-to-appoint-president-of-european-commission-is-damaging-to-democracy-1.1830355

    has the same substance as the articles he has in other newspapers across the EU,
    it’s notable that he has held back from openly telling those foreign audiences that
    he wants an end to the process of “ever closer union” prescribed by the present EU treaties, or at least he wants an end to it as far as the UK is concerned.

    He has explicitly told us that on several occasions, as a recent example on the BBC Andrew Marr show of May 11th:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/201411051.pdf

    “We achieve those negotiation changes. Perhaps the most important is getting Britain out of the clause that says the European Union must be committed to
    an ever closer union.”

    “I don’t accept that. I don’t think the British people want to accept that.”.

    But it seems that for some reason he doesn’t want to sound that clarion call
    to any foreign audiences.

    I see a comment on the Irish Times article which touches upon this:

    “Mr. Cameron is probably right to see the MEPs’ attempt to steal a march on the national leaders as being tantamount to a federalist coup. However, their actions, however opportunistic, are also faithful to the spirit of ‘ever closer union’ and supranationalism, to which national leaders are committed through EU membership and treaty obligations.”

  • Rhoda Klapp8

    A lot of the disillusioned voters are disillusioned with him and his ilk. Otherwise his team would have done better in the euro elections. He was not (as far as we can tell) the recipient of the disillusioned vote. There is no evidence that he has a clue of what they are disillusioned about or the ability to empathise with them. This initiative stinks of dishonesty.

    Any time that man wants to lay out what his idea of a future EU would be, everything as he desires, with a proper place for the UK with appropriate sovererignty, and how the systems will work, how the institutions will interrelate, how the economic obstacles may be overcome, we will listen. If he can’t do that or even the basis of that, everything else is waffle and positioning.

    Pick a side, Dave.

    • Denis_Cooper

      I remember what Cameron said during the Tory leadership contest about it being wrong for British politicians to say one thing in Britain and another thing abroad, but he’s done that himself before and apparently he’s done it again now by omitting his demand that the EU treaties must be changed so that the UK would no longer be subject to the fundamental commitment to “ever closer union”. Unlike the rest of what he says that is not waffle, it can’t be because either you take the fork in the road that leads to your country being gradually merged with other countries so that eventually all of them cease to exist as independent sovereign states and are reduced to being just parts of a new merged country, or you take the other fork in the road and keep your country as an independent sovereign state in perpetuity. And that is the crucial choice which he has signally failed to lay out for the readers of these newspapers in other countries, which raises the question of whether
      he means it when he says it in this country.

    • Blindsideflanker

      We saw Cameron’s sincerity where he gave the task to decide where to place limits on the EU competencies over to the Foreign Office, the very department who negotiated away our sovereignty.

      If Cameron had a clue why we were ‘disillusioned’ about the EU, he wouldn’t have had to go to the Foreign Office to ask what he should think about the issue, for as PM for four years it should have become abundantly clear to him the intolerable level of EU meddling. But Cameron wasn’t disillusioned he was happy to live with being the EU’s coffee boy, he only become disillusioned when UKIP came calling.

      So there will be no sincerity about Cameron’s stance on the EU, it will be a manufactured thing, all about political expediency and nothing else, values and principles won’t get a look in.

  • @PhilKean1

    .
    What will be left of Britain after another 5 years of Liberal-left Government?

    1992 – (Conservative) – Most Britons are still under the impression that the UK is an independent, democratic, Sovereign nation – until Conservatives, led by John Major, sign the Maastricht Treaty and turn what was the Common Market into the EU.
    2005 – (Labour) – It is estimated that the unelected and unaccountable EU is responsible for 50% of the laws and taxes imposed on the British people.
    2010 – (Labour) – It is now estimated that the unelected and unaccountable EU is directly and indirectly responsible for 70% of the laws and taxes imposed on the British people.
    2014 – (Con-Lib) – Some analysts estimate that the unelected and unaccountable EU is directly and indirectly responsible for 83% of the laws and taxes imposed on the British people.

    2014 – (Con-Lib) – David Cameron, the Conservative PM, intends to further deepen Britain’s already extensive involvement in economic and political, by ………….

    (a) – Opting in to 35 EU Crime & Justice measures, including the hated & feared, EU Arrest Warrant.
    (b) – Getting Britain included in further EU trade deals.
    (c) – Pushing for the completion of the Federal enabler that is the “Single Market”.
    (d) – Fully supporting the right of EU nationals to live and work in Britain.
    (e) – In favour of continued enlargement of the EU, including Turkey’s application – with the proviso that countries such as Turkey will face longer transitional controls to prevent large influxes of EU immigrants coming to Britain.

    2016 – (Liberal-left Govt) – The EU’s Financial Transaction tax is due to be imposed on the UK and is widely expected to accelerate the City of London’s downfall as the world’s Premier financial centre.

    2020 – (Liberal-left Govt) – Is there anything left?

    .

    • the viceroy’s gin

      2014-2020 – A true conservative party coalesces and assembles itself from the ashes of the self-destructed Camerloons.

      2020 – The whole rotten edifice falls, replaced by a revitalized conservative movement. This may happen considerably sooner than 2020, by the way.

      • @PhilKean1

        It needs to happen as soon as possible.
        .

      • southerner

        Precisely. Continuing the left wing socialism of the Camerloon or his anointed replacement in 2015 would be madness of the first order. The whole party needs destroying and a genuine conservative movement needs to be put in its place.

  • monty61

    Tilting at windmills. Pointless.

  • @PhilKean1

    .
    If ever a sentenced summed up a weak, directionless, pro-Federal Prime minister, who lacks principles and who believes in nothing – it is this ……….

    The ideal candidate, he said, would be “someone who can deliver reform; driving growth and creating jobs; and accepting that Europe’s needs may best be served by action at the national level”

    Note where he says “MAY be best served”, not IS best served.

    And what should the British people make of their Prime Minister’s long awaited admission that it is the EU’s responsibility to create growth and jobs in the UK economy?
    I mean, you’d never have guessed that we are NOT supposed to be part of the Eurozone.

    Freudian slip, Mr Cameron?
    .

    • Blindsideflanker

      Our political class have become so adept at lying through their teeth they have become delusional, they no longer understand what they have signed us up to with the EU, or what it means. They trot our a lot of rubbish and hope we won’t notice.

      • @PhilKean1

        Cracks me up when they try to scare us into voting Cameron by telling us how bad Miliband’s Labour will be.
        .

  • Alexsandr

    if he wanted eu reform he would have gone for it big time in 2010. He didnt. he called eurosceptics fruitcakes. now he thinks some arcane argument about some faceless commissioner will attract the eurosceptics. Dream on.

    • telemachus

      So he should have ditched the LibDems in 2010, forgotten about the economy and taken us out of Europe
      The rest of us live in the real world
      Cannot you see that the poor chap is in a bind
      Support the Junk and he is finished as Tory Leader
      Oppose him and lose the power struggle with Merkel, as he will and he will deliver hundreds of thousands of votes to UKIP
      *
      Whatever happens he is about to deliver the country to the forces of reason

  • Ray Veysey

    Doesn’t matter what he says, politicians from other countries will have seen what he has said and done in office, and will recognise one of their own. a duplicitous power crazy europhile desperate to convince his electorate that he can stop lying, when and they know he can’t, it’s in the blood, and even he has gone past the point where he knows the difference.

  • Blindsideflanker

    Cameron finds a movement, a movement he has disparaged, and seeks to put himself at the front of it. Go away you fraud.

    Cameron blew his chance to speak for anybody on this when he ratted on his promise to not let Lisbon rest there, and when he sought to suck up to the EUfanatics and he went out of his way to bad mouth EUsceptics.

  • Kitty MLB

    Yes Cameron speaks for the disillusioned voters and disillusioned
    politicians who also feel trapped within the EU which is a socialist
    succubus that doesn’t represent them…we are not alone in wanting to see the end of the EU.
    Cameron has yet again upset Merkell by seperating her from
    the Eurosceptics of Germany and Holland.
    The way to see an end to the EU is to diplomatically make others
    within the EU realise that they also are individual countries and
    have no wish to be part of a United States of Europe.
    A much better way of dealing with the EU then throwing toys
    out of the pram and acting like ‘Little England’ and saying we are leaving. We and others will break up the pointless EU and
    we will do so as Great Britain.

    • telemachus

      It is the European Rightist Parties that are supporting the Junk
      Cameron’s problem on this is that he has laid out his cards too early and too publicly

      • the viceroy’s gin

        It’s comforting to see you socialists standing together as one.

        • Wessex Man

          on his own.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            …no, he’s got one other just above.

    • Benedict

      Sadly your post represents Mr Crosby’s ‘wedge’ technique – identify a group and then set them arguing with one another.
      There is a formal logical fallacy in your post. You accuse UKIP on the one hand, and then talk about breaking up the pointless EU.
      Your post makes sense to me if you are representing Conservative Central Office.

      • Wessex Man

        No only that, she changes her mind from day to day, much like Call me Dave only he does more damage!

  • mitate

    i notice he’s got that UKIP-purple tie on again. wonder if he thinks it makes him appear eurosceptic. wouldn’t be surprised.

  • colliemum

    I couldn’t care less what the other European nations think of cameron’s whining pleas.
    We here know full well that he only speaks for himself, not for us.
    We know full well that this is only another election broadcast, meant to be consumed here in the UK.
    How wrong he is shows in his statement that ‘the people want the EU to help them’. No, Dave, I don’t want the EU to ‘help’ me, I want it out of my and our lives, and out of this, our country. And I’d be happy if your government would also b*gger off out of our lives.

    • Kitty MLB

      Thats UKIP’s mistake, not only are you making everything
      about Cameron and the EU against England but you don’t
      care about what the other countries within the EU think.
      I have relatives in Italy and friends from Holland and
      elsewhere and they utterly deplore the EU that wrecks
      there lives also, and more so.
      And they do care about what Cameron says, they dread
      what Merkel is planning for them and have been waiting
      for someone to take the lead.
      The problem for you is you want that to be UKIP, maybe
      Its time UKIP saw the bigger picture, its not just about
      Saving us from the EU but other countries who want the
      same as well. Unless you want us to be little england.

      • Alexsandr

        I am sure the dutch and the italians have the nous to form their own eurosceptic parties without our help.

        • telemachus

          Grillo, Wilders
          And other Farage friends

          • Smithersjones2013

            Once again you smear and lie. Wilders has nothing to do with UKIP and the European Freedom and Democracy (EFD) grouping. He belongs to the European Freedom Alliance along with Le Pen who Farage will have nothing to do with…

            • global city

              The bizarre thing also is that Wilders is an uber-Liberal, but as Islam trumps women’s rights, homosexual rights, equal marraige and a host of other things that Wilders passionately believes in he is condemned because he has identified Islam as a threat to all of these he is condemned by the terminally stupid.

          • Wessex Man

            You lying racist cur you!

      • Donafugata

        Indeed, Kitty. People all over Europe need to stand together and show their contempt and hatred of what it has become.

        We all want to conserve our national identities but must find a way to stand as one in order to rid ourselves of the federalists.

        • beat_the_bush

          Pretty sure federalism preserves national identities. That’s the entire point of federalism – it creates an additional layer of identity above existing ones, but preserves the original.

          This is contrasted with unitary states. In a unitary State, national sub-units, if there are any, can be abolished at the whim of the central government. Guess what the UK is. It’s a unitary state.

          Honestly, it’s as if the entire population needs a lesson in comparative government.

          • Denis_Cooper

            Pretty sure that whatever it does to national identity federalism does not preserve national sovereignty.

            • the viceroy’s gin

              A proper form of federalism could perhaps so so, one carefully assembled to be an efficient technocracy, rather than an inefficient autocracy.

              • Denis_Cooper

                I don’t think so, if you look around the world there are many countries which are federations by one name or another, and in every case that I can think of sovereignty resides with the federal institutions not with the state/provincial/regional institutions.

          • global city

            This is so important. I’ve used the terms lazily myself, but the arch advocates of unitary authority in the EU use federalist, because of what you suggest.

            In their mouths it is just another weasel word.

      • telemachus

        “I have relatives in Italy and friends from Holland and
        elsewhere and they utterly deplore the EU that wrecks
        there lives also, and more so.”
        *
        Ladybird
        In every country there will be people at odds with the regime that is in fact doing best for their country
        In most countries they are getting in to bed with the racist fringe and therefore have lost the moral argument
        The sooner Le Pen, Farage, Wilders and Michelaloliakos ditch the racist fringe the quicker their arguments will achieve legitimacy

        • Wessex Man

          Liar liar panties on fire!

      • Denis_Cooper

        “And they do care about what Cameron says, they dread what Merkel is planning for them and have been waiting for someone to take the lead.”

        June 2008 was the time for Cameron to do that, and he didn’t.

        • telemachus

          Forgive me but in 2008 power for Cameron was but a dream
          It still is

          • Denis_Cooper

            In June 2008 the Irish voted “no” to the Lisbon Treaty, and that was an opportunity for Cameron to say that if the treaty had not been declared officially dead when he became Prime Minister then he would put it to a UK referendum even if it had come into force, correcting his earlier error of retracting the unqualified “cast-iron guarantee” of a referendum that he had given in September 2007. He chose not to do that, he chose to let Merkel impose her treaty not only on the Irish
            but on the British as well.

            • Andy

              The treaty had already been ratified. It was the Fascist Labour Party that enacted the treaty and ratified it. Had one EU State not ratified it then Cameron would, I am sure, have held a referendum in June 2010. The EU made damn sure the thing was cut and dried before he came to power.

              • Denis_Cooper

                And he supinely accepted that they could do that, rather than standing up and saying that it was totally unacceptable way of proceeding and if he became Prime Minister he would put the treaty to a referendum anyway.

                • Andy

                  I’m sorry but this is where we part company. I loath the EU probably as much as you do. But you have to be realistic and realise that once a Treaty is ratified, and it was ratified by all member states, it comes into force. Cameron could only have held a Referendum to repeal that Treaty, and frankly that was never a practical or realistic option as well you know.

                • Denis_Cooper

                  Of course it would have been, and still would be, possible to have a retrospective referendum on that treaty, and even Cameron’s defender Hannan has said that Cameron’s decision to cave in was “unconscionable”.

      • colliemum

        Kitty – are the people in these other European countries so cowed that they need UKIP to liberate them? Really?
        Can they not stand on their own two feet and fight against the EU by themselves?
        As for that ‘Little Englander’ tag – we’re only ‘little’ inside the EU. I’m sure you’ve heard of that organisation called ‘Commonwealth’ …

        • Kitty MLB

          You are jumping the gun a little, I never mentioned UKIP ‘ liberating’ anyone,
          you misinterpreted my words to suit your
          party.Its all well and good everyone standing
          on their own two feet, but if there is power in
          numbers and the aim is achieved and the
          EU rather large beast is defeated then what is
          the problem ? Oh, must we all wait for UKIP
          to save the day..well hurry up then!

      • allymax bruce

        Kitty, Cameron needs ‘friends’ in the EU now. I think an Independent Scotland would be a ‘friend’ for sure. Cameron needs as many EU Nation-States he can get to support him. Scotland would be one more he could rely on; not one less, that is constantly fighting against him.

        • telemachus

          1 No independence
          2 Spain will tell you that if this were perchance to come about you(like Catalonia) would be vetoed for admission

          • allymax bruce

            1). Typical Labour Party; trying to impose your evil-will on the voters of Scotland.
            2). You’re a liar; why am I not surprised? Because you’re a member of The Labour Party.

            • telemachus

              The Spanish Government are firm on the EU point
              As to Labour some of the Giants of our movement are Scots
              From Kier Hardie to Gordon Brown
              So yes we will not lose you

              • allymax bruce

                So was Jimmy Reid; until he resigned, and absolved himself from The Labour Party !

                Your Labour Party, bears no resemblance to the ‘Party’ of Hardie and Cunnigngham Graham; you’ve lost all sense of what’s right. You’ve moved so far left, you’ve come out on the extreme Right! Illegal wars, totalitarianlaws, mass open-door immigration; you’ve destroyed ‘Britian’; all because you wanted power before The People.

                • global city

                  Labour is now the party of Gramsci and Maurice bloody Strong.

                • allymax bruce

                  I think you’re right; Labour are a horrendous Communist abusive organ of deceit now. But your assertion only further constitutes my argument; that The Labour Party are now only after power; not to represent The people!

                • global city

                  Yes. all of our ‘major’ parties are like that now. The notions of governance are now derived from international political theory and political science, rather than anything based on local/national empiricism.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Well wait a minute here, your boy Jimmy Reid was a commie, too. You’ve managed to square the circle, lad. Congrats.

              • Wessex Man

                erm, as usual you’ve got it wrong or are lying again, I believe the Spanish Foreign Minister said there be no objection from Spain to Scotland entering the EU. Lair lair panties on fire!

        • global city

          I can’t believe that you have fallen for the ‘comity of nations’ bollox spewed out by the SNP?

          Your ‘influence’ would be about 0.4%

          • allymax bruce

            I really don’t care what you think; we’re on the opposite side of the tracks.

            As for your emphasis on ‘influence’; you prove my point; Power is all you/The Marxist Communist Labour Party are about now. You don’t give any thought of what The People want; as far as your Marxist Communist Labour Party are concerned, Power is all you crave; and The People will get what your Marxist Communist evil diktat decide to give them.

            • global city

              Crossed wires I think. I’n not a Labour supporter, neither am I opposed to Scottish independence.

              I agree with you about labour. There are the Methodist and internationalist strains amongst British socialism… Today’s Labour are firmly in the latter camp.

              • allymax bruce

                My apologies for thinking you ‘were’ Labour.

      • Smithersjones2013

        Of course they see the bigger picture. That’s why they are in negotiations with numerous other like parties in the EU Parliament to continue the European Democracy and Freedom group.

    • John Dalton

      All Cameron is doing, against his will, is trying a new tactic to pull the wool over our eyes and preserve his precious European Union. He think he knows how far the people can be pushed before they need to be mollified with weasel words about listening, learning lessons and heeding clear messages. He doesn’t heed anything. He wants the EU and he wants us in it. Any conservative who doesn’t should be opposed to him in every sense. This article is simply more Central Office propaganda.

  • Benedict

    ‘And one man in his time plays many parts’

    The Westminster Shakespeare company proudly presents
    a short season featuring Cameron as Farage.

    Reviews –
    ‘Cameron is impressive in his new role as a swivel-eyed loon’

    The Evening Standard
    ‘This Etonian thespian has a blossoming career. We look forward to his appearance with Clegg next season in ‘Two Gentlemen of Brussels’.
    The Spectator

    • the viceroy’s gin

      …I think he’s more likely to wind up like the title character of The Scottish Play, and with the same outcome to his head.

      Come to think of it, he does have some jocko blood in him, doesn’t he?

      • Benedict

        SC as Lady M? There’s food for thought.

        A diverse blend of blood courses through his veins, I think.

        I daresay Brussels has a blood-bank that distributes ‘blend 28’.

  • http://timhedges.eu Tim Hedges

    Cameron wants to stay in the EU: of course he isn’t speaking for disillusioned European voters.

    • Kitty MLB

      Its not about what Cameron wants or what Farage wants
      but what the electorate votes for in a referendum…
      Yet it suits some when baying for blood to make it about
      the politicians.

      • Kaine

        The effect of UKIP has been to make EU withdrawal part of their package. It’s sort of a mirror of what happened with CND. When it started CND had generals, admirals, bishops, trade unionists, academics, concerned parents etc, a whole cross section of society. As it became ‘co-opted’ into what was seen as a radical ‘Bennite’ platform, many of these people fell away.

        Same with EU withdrawal. As it becomes more and more synonymous with UKIP, that most marmite of the current crop of parties, support for it has steadily fallen.

        • Rhoda Klapp8

          CND was funded from Moscow (OK, a little bit) whereas UKIP is funded from Brussels. I don’t know what to make of that.

          • telemachus

            I am a personal friend of one of the major UKIP backers and he is not from and has no truck with Brussels
            He and I violently disagree about the European project but UKIP although racist is not financially corrupt

            • Colonel Mustard

              Liar.

            • Adam Carter

              Within the last couple of weeks, on this website, you accused UKIP of being racist and I invited you to enumerate their racist policies.
              You did not do so.
              Yet you repeat the claim that UKI[P is racist.
              You are a disgrace.

              • Wessex Man

                He himself is a disgusting racist as proved by past comments on this blog, he is also one of the biggest liars I’ve ever encountered, now he is claiming to have a friend, can you believe that? He is also claiming to know one of the biggest backers of UKip, as well as being a friend of his, you couldn’t make it up but he has!

            • Conway

              Thank you for admitting UKIP is not financially corrupt. It isn’t racist, though.

        • Smithersjones2013

          Garbage! You clearly have a very fuzzy memory of the period. CND declined when the Cold War ended and the vast majority of nukes (70% or so of the total) were scrapped. CND and those against nuclear weapons succeeded to the greater extent. Now if the EU wishes to give up two thirds to three quarters of its powers I’m sure Euroscepticism will decline and UKIP’s call for withdrawal will lose resonance. Until then you can continue to obsess on your futile delusions but the electorate’s contempt for Brussels will remain as will support for UKIP.

          If UKIP can achieve what CND did I think even they will be somewhat pleased despite not getting everything they want.

          The trouble is that Cameron’s Tories are like snuff. An irritant that gets up people’s noses that will inevitably lose favour in the not so distant future and go into long term decline like the Liberals before them.

          • Kaine

            A lot of keyboard bashing to not actually say anything.

            • Wessex Man

              well surely that’s better than a lot of keyboard tapping with a whole lot of lies.

              UKip membership is continuing to rise pushing the main parties all the time, always pushing nearer to our first MP despite liars like you churning out your useless propaganda.

              • Kaine

                And you clearly didn’t read what I wrote.

                • Wessex Man

                  oh I did and that’s why I posted my comment.

                • Kaine

                  Well then you didn’t comprehend it, because it isn’t actually a criticism of UKIP.

        • global city

          I agree. Again, Farage has already made it clear that he would not front any pan-exit movement for those very reasons, but one of the consequences of the MSM hatefest of UKIP is that this statement has not been publicised sufficiently.

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