Coffee House

Ukip faces its toughest test yet over the next 12 months

5 May 2014

2:30 PM

5 May 2014

2:30 PM

The European election creeps closer and the smart money has switched from Labour to Ukip topping the poll. A Labour win would be spectacular in its own right as it would probably require a doubling of their 2009 vote share. I confess there was an intake of breath in the ComRes office when our ITV News poll results were in showing an 11-point Ukip lead over Labour. But the naysayers were confounded by a second poll released on the same day showing a nine-point Ukip lead.

The ramifications of a party with no Westminster MPs topping a popular ballot within a year of a General Election puts us into new territory. What everyone, including Ukip themselves, are trying to assess is how that support will translate into an election where voters are being asked to send an MP to Westminster and a Prime Minister into Downing Street.

If 2009 teaches us anything, it shows that European elections give little indication of what might happen a year on. In 2009 Ukip came second with 16.6 per cent of the vote and managed just over 3 per cent in 2010. Much has changed since of course but the lesson is clear – Ukip should not rely on this spike in support. Indeed, a quarter of Ukip European poll supporters say they are ‘unlikely’ to stick with the party through to next year, making them less committed than supporters of either Labour or the Conservatives (only 5 per cent of whom say they are unlikely to vote the same way at the General Election).

This illustrates the mountain Mr Farage and his Party face in the coming year. He is clearly succeeding in harnessing frustration and distrust among the British public: ask pretty much any question of the general public in a poll and Ukip supporters will be more negative than anyone else. But that is not enough, nor is being too narrowly associated with a particular issue. Ukip do well at European elections because people know that is what UKIP is about. At a General Election the question of Britain’s relationship with Europe inevitably is less of an issue, so will Ukip have a broad enough message to appeal beyond their current support?

[Alt-Text]


Of course, Ukip’s European poll-topping is in a low-turnout election. The 38 per cent ComRes recorded for Ukip this week is based on a turnout of 39 per cent. However, Ukip’s share of the vote – and lead – are lower when those who are likely to vote are also taken into consideration as well as just those certain to vote. This could be a problem for Ukip later this month: higher turnout hurts their vote share. So the fact that a quarter of that 38 per cent, on turnout of 39 per cent, are ‘unlikely’ to vote for Ukip next year is potentially a significant problem for them.

Playing to their advantage is that Ukip supporters tend to be old. Old people vote. The Liberal Democrats have historically suffered, notably in 2010, by having young supporters who fail to turn up on Election Day. Building a base of older voters is a sensible (if until now probably unplanned) electoral tactic but for 2015 it would be no surprise to see Ukip with policies designed to appeal to the “grey” vote. With the Conservatives in Westminster voting intention polls losing around 17 per cent of their 2010 vote to Ukip they will be fighting to drag them back aboard the good ship Conservative having enjoyed their Saga holiday on Ukip Island, while Nigel Farage’s team need to produce a brochure strong enough to secure a repeat visit.

What seems to surprise many is that despite a significant amount of mud being thrown at Ukip and Mr Farage, little seems to stick. If anything, it appears to fuel further support. Media stories about Mr Farage’s expenses and eccentric local election candidates came and went with seemingly little electoral damage done: although a third believe Ukip to be a racist party, just as many think they have sensible policies and are more honest than the other parties. Instead of harming Ukip’s fortunes, efforts to smear the Party seem to be proving counter-productive, reinforcing the Party as outside the Establishment and being bullied for it. Cutting Ukip off at the knees requires a cleverer approach than calling them names.

Ukip have a lot of work to do if they want to be fit to fight a General Election, but the balancing act for them is how to get taken seriously as a mainstream political party without being seen as, well, a mainstream political party. Insurgency is always easier, and more fun, than behaving like a party with serious political ambitions. Mr Farage’s decision not to stand in the Newark by-election and therefore eschewing the best chance he has of his Party winning a seat in Westminster will perpetuate the party’s challenger status.

Either way, Ukip are surely doing better than any of even the most optimistic Party members and strategists could have hoped for. So far, this has all just been the preparation, 22 May will be the dress rehearsal, the real thing begins straight after the election as all attention turns to 2015. Keeping hold of their supporters, and broadening their appeal through to a General Election will be their toughest task yet.

Tom Mludzinski is head of political polling at ComRes 

More Spectator for less. Stay informed leading up to the EU referendum and in the aftermath. Subscribe and receive 6 issues delivered for just £6, with full web and app access. Join us.




Show comments
  • PeteGabler

    “Cutting Ukip off at the knees requires a cleverer approach than calling them names”. Your words reveal what you believe, Tom Mludzslingerski!

  • callingallcomets

    Comparison with the 2009 EU election and UKIP’s fortunes over the next 2/3 years is very popular with the commentariat. Trouble is the landscape has shifted. What is new is a small but growing local council presence plus a substantial growth in membership. Add in a more professional approach and regular TV appearances, not just by Farage but other UKIP figures (showing it is not a one man band) and you have the ingredients for a sustained presence on the political stage. UKIP is putting down roots but the DT/Speccie “punditocracy” hasn’t really grasped the new reality.

  • Lady Magdalene

    “What seems to surprise many is that despite a significant amount of mud being thrown at Ukip and Mr Farage, little seems to stick. If anything, it appears to fuel further support.”
    ———-
    It’s only a surprise to The Establishment, including the lobby hacks. Anyone with an ounce of emotional intelligence would know that support for an insurgent party which is anti the Establishment would only grow the more the Establishment is seen to sneer and smear it.
    We are being held to a higher standard of accountability that any of LibLabCON – each of whom have a list of undesirables and criminals far longer and far worse than the few “loonies” the media has found within UKIP. But the MSM ignores them: “move along, nothing to see here…… oh look, we’ve found another UKIP member who said some silly things and was foolish enough to put them in writing.”
    Of course UKIP won’t get the same percentage of support in the General Election as it will this May. We don’t expect to. But for many people, voting is a habit: and the habit of voting UKIP is forming. Every time they vote UKIP in any kind of election, it makes it more likely they will vote UKIP again ….. including the General Election. And THAT’s why LibLabCON and The Establishment are messing their panties.

  • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

    Give us our country back!

  • Guest
  • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

    If UKIP do well in these elections they should be included in the GE debates.

    Whomever Miliband debates with he will be shown to be weak copy of Blair with dangerous Marxist ideas. Farage will win the debates without any problems.

  • sfin

    Nice to see a balanced article on UKIP, for a change…

    As a supporter, I would say that the party has but to concentrate on two things:

    1) A strictly costed manifesto – which continues to “tell it like it is” – including any policies that wouldn’t be regarded as ‘populist’ (e.g. any policy which tries to reverse every government’s, since Thatcher’s, policy of borrowing from our great grandchildren in order to finance our current, playstation, celebrity obsessed, lifestyle.)

    2) The nomination of departmental spokesmen, fully ‘media savvy’ trained and with a remit to comment, at length, on their own area of responsibility (these spokesmen would, naturally, have had a hand in writing policy) – Farage has been magnificent – now it’s time for team Farage.

    Go UKIP!

  • ButcombeMan

    Sigh……….

    Newark was NOT the “best chance” of UKIP winning a Westmister seat. It would have been a hopeless distraction

    This whole article smacks once again, like so many here and elsewhere on UKIP, of being lightweight “bubble” commentary.

    One step at a time.

    Doing well in the EU elections is a part of paving the way. there are many more people who would switch from Labour and Conservatives if the herd does.

    The next issue is the policy manifesto for the UK.

    The real test is for UKIP to set out a sensible prospectus for participation in a government, they need to have half an eye on the possibility they get a few seats and get a chance of being in a coalition.

    They MUST NOT do the dishonest LibDem thing of making ridiculous policy promises they could not hope to keep in a coalition. That would consign them to oblivion.

  • Chingford Man

    How many more times do we have to point out that Farage gets an EU allowance, not expenses?

    • Alexsandr

      marr didnt get it on sunday. ignorant t1t.

  • icini

    The Troika have proved, over many years, that they are unfit to govern anything, perhaps that’s why they’ve subcontracted the EU to do it for them. This customer gave up on them about 18 months ago, he’s joined a co-operative and is going to do the job himself with some friends, we’ve formed a club, It’s called UKIP. You can join too ! ( terms and conditions apply).

  • Conway

    What seems to surprise many is that despite a significant amount of mud
    being thrown at Ukip and Mr Farage, little seems to stick. If anything,
    it appears to fuel further support.
    ” Those of us who talk to ordinary people weren’t surprised at all. The Msm is completely out of touch.

    Media stories about Mr Farage’s
    expenses and eccentric local election candidates came and went with
    seemingly little electoral damage done:
    ” That’s because some of us could see through the smear. We even know they were allowances and not expenses.

    although a third believe Ukip to
    be a racist party
    two thirds don’t.

  • Conway

    The ramifications of a party with no Westminster MPs topping a popular
    ballot within a year of a General Election puts us into new territory.
    ” This is what some of us BTL have been saying for some time. There is no point in using past performances to predict the future. The Zeitgeist has changed.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      I’d recommend Mr. Mludzinski study and count the number of times there has occurred a “popular ballot within a year of a (known and scheduled) General Election “. It is likely a rare occurrence, and certainly an inefficient sample group upon which to be making firm judgements and predictions, re UKIP or anybody else.

  • Conway

    But the naysayers were confounded by a second poll released on the same day showing a nine-point Ukip lead.” Go on, you know you want to say they are outliers!

  • kandanada

    The current system is broken.

    Representatives of all three parties have been embroiled in proven or alleged theft, perverting the course of justice, expenses fiddling (fraud), deceit, sexual and moral deviancy and now, some of the most unsavoury and unmentionable crimes. They are really struggling for the moral high-ground in a mud-slinging competition with UKIP.

    There is a slow realisation the three main parties are just pretend Plastic Politicians playing daily at the Westminster Theatre. They are the people from nice families who thought politics would be a nice career. That’s why they look like a bunch of overgrown sixth-formers playing a game of politics: they are.

    This pleasant background makes them gullible to any sharp-talking businessman, bent community leader, dodgy lobbying group, religious nutter or pseudo-academic with a cause. Not to mention world leaders with an agenda. It is devastating for Great Britain.

    They do not offer democracy in its true sense. They are effectively one party, often only differing in trivial detail. They all enjoy the same trappings of the Westminster Village. They all have the same narrow views on the voters. They blatantly collude and unite when it suits them. They make it obvious they want to keep power between themselves. Most recently they have colluded over UKIP.

    They blindly follow their EU masters who are leading us into a totalitarian EU dictatorship. A third-world island off the coast of Europe. Look at the evidence. We have been fully “in the EU” for over twenty years. If we were really protected by the EU, our country would be doing ok, wouldn’t it?

    No matter what colours they are wearing, people can’t trust any of them any more. People don’t believe them any more. Their constant lies have worn thin over a very painful thirty years.

    The only vote is a vote for democracy, real democracy: UKIP

  • http://www.frankfisher.org Frank Fisher

    “Ukip are surely doing better than any of even the most optimistic Party members and strategists could have hoped for”

    Really? You may be surprised at how many Kippers are going to give the bookies a battering on May 22nd. A lot of us have expected this. And the pollsters may want to listen to why: it’s all about the LibDems. The LibDems are over – dead. They’re dead for the Euros, they are dead for the GE. Their activist base has GONE. Without activists on the ground they are nothing. All of their protest vote component is coming to us.

    My money is is on UKIP hitting 35% on May 22nd. I actually think we’ll be closer to 40% across England and Wales. And my money for the 2015 GE is on us *starting* that campaign on the low 20s – we will sustain that much of our vote. And we’re going to win seats – 8-24.

    Get your dosh down now folks…

    • Jikli

      UKIP will get around 41% in the EU election,
      Every UKIPer is going to vote on May 22nd,

      Lab/Con supporters cant really be bothered, (even less so if they feel UKIP are going to win anyway).
      And the self-styled ‘party of Europe’ the LibDems don’t have any voters left.

      The General Election is going to be the real challenge

      • kandanada

        The challenge will be getting the media on-side.

        The bias is almost 1984-style totalitarian reporting regime – with the exception of the Express.

        • Conway

          Even the Express is claiming that the Conservatives are the only party to vote for if you want to get out of the EU! I wonder if they’ve been got at!

          • Conway

            I should say that their readers are hopping mad about that, to judge by the comments BTL.

          • kandanada

            That’s like saying the Easter Bunny is the only character who can deliver toys at Christmastime.

        • Rallan

          That’s not going to happen. They’ve got too much invested in the status quo. UKIP will have to do this the hard way; win first and then get media support.

          Don’t worry though. The internet still loves us. We can do well in 2015.

  • fathomwest

    Tom, You mention that the EU elections are always a poor turnout. Are General Elections therefore that much better? Anyway perhaps this year they may be better as so many people who have not voted before have said they will be voting,

  • colliemum

    It’s nice of the polling and political pundits to think about 2015 when the May 22nd elections aren’t even done. They do this not out of the goodness of their hearts but because – as we can see above – they can start to pooh-pooh the coming results: low voter turn out, only a protest vote, UKIP didn’t do at all well in the 2010 elections … so basically, nothing to see here, it’ll all blow over next year!

    What they seem to overlook diligently are two factors which are hugely different to 2010. One is the huge increase in UKIP membership, the other are the increase in local council seats won by UKIP at last year’s local elections, and which will be won on May 22nd. They also overlook the % of votes UKIP candidates have won in parliamentary by-elections, from a standing start.
    These facts have changed the picture to a great extent.

    It is not about UKIP ‘having to become like the other parties’ if they want candidates to stand for Parliament. This ‘becoming like the other parties’ is something the Westminster hack pack is trying to fabricate, in the same way they tried to fabricate that Nigel Farage would stand in Newark, in the hope he’d be herded by them to do so. We all remember how that one played out.

    Finally, even with the usual low turnout, which allows the usual suspects to claim that the result is unimportant, it bears remembering that even winning 40% of a 40% turn out gives a higher % of votes of those eligible to vote than winning 5% of the same turn out … yes, LibDems?

  • FrankS2

    Smears aren’t doing much damage to UKIP because they don’t alter the fact that UKIP is not LibLabCon – which is the party’s chief appeal.

    • kandanada

      Smearing is out of the question. UKIP might not be perfect but the other parties have all, without exception, had MPs who have been prosecuted and found guilty of all sorts of crimes.

  • Grey Wolf

    UKIP should go after Lib Dem voters too and get their support in May elections. Lib Dems appear finished as a popular electoral force and there will be a scramble for their base.

    UKIP should be very disciplined between now and the election date as the venal media would be trying their best to dig up dirt to discredit them. Be vigilant.

    • Jikli

      The LibDems have lost all but the hard core of their support, they are going to be extinct by 2015

  • Jikli

    UKIP have achieved critical mass, right at the time Lab/Con are in terminal decline and Libdems have utterly Imploded.

    UKIP are no longer a single issue protest party, that ship has sailed; all UKIPers say that the EU parliament election is now just a rehearsal for the General Election.
    Lab/Con/Lib know this hence the hysterical smear campaign against UKIP in the tame media. That smear campign has utterly failed and UKIP are now pushing 40% in the polls.

    If only Cameron had held his Cast iron Guaranteed EU referendum back in 2010, UKIP wouldn’t exist today.

    Instead In 2015 he will be fighting them for 2nd Place at the General Election.

    Labour will win in 2015, that is part of the plan its a long game, after 5 years of disastrous Milliband socialism, the 2020 Election will be for a UKIP Government.

    • Conway

      I’ve given you an uptick, but I am not quite so sure now that Miliband will walk it in 2015. He is starting the lurch to the left and aiming to take us back to the ’70s. Rent controls, nationalisation … all the things that have already failed. The country doesn’t really like hard line socialism, to be honest. If it did, Foot and Kinnock would have been PM.

  • an ex-tory voter

    Should UKIP win on May22nd, to quote WSC, “it will not be the end, or even the beginning of the end, but it may be the end of the beginning”.

    UKIP has every chance of winning because it promotes and stands by a set of principles which are readily understood and largely supported by the voting public. It has dared to say things which LibLabCon dare not because they must at all times obscure their true purpose which is the the dissolution of the nation state and the absorption of the peoples of this island into the EU Empire.

    If they win UKIP must use the financial benefit and the media access that win provides to develop and promote a similar set of principles with which they will govern when elected to Westminster. Winning in the EU Elections is only the first stage, the next must be to gain a majority, or at least to be in the position of holding “the balance of power” in Westminster.

    Honesty, openness and integrity should be their watchwords, especially as those values are virtually non-existent in the darkness and dishonesty that is the present “sham” Parliament.

  • swatnan

    UKIP will peak at the Euros but then is downhill all the way to the GE. By May 2015 they’ll be down to their usual 4.5% of the vote. If we had PR for Westminster elections they could get a few MPs but with no PR, they’ll end up with none.

    • Alexsandr

      why do you express your opinion as if it is an uncontravertable fact? or are you mystic meg. We are in new territory and nobody knows.

    • Raddiy

      Oh there is a novelty 4-5%!!!

      That is double the 1-3% that most of you cloud cuckoo land thinkers were saying a couple of years ago.

      I hope you are not going to run away and hide in your cupboard after the GE2015, as we will all be waiting to rub your noses in it.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      If you take your prediction to the betting houses, you’ll get good odds, lad.

  • cargill55

    One of the reasons people are voting UKIP is because the Tories have taken the Labour disaster and made it worse.
    Osborne’s economic policy is a good example:
    More state debt.
    More personal debt.
    House price boom.
    Artificially low and government subsidised interest rates.
    Mass immigration .
    Propped up banks.
    Falling living standards
    Soaring essentials inflation.
    Low investment.
    Balance of payments deficit.
    Falling savings ratio.
    The components of a vote buying debt based bubble to buy votes for 2015 to burst after the election.

    • you_kid

      UKIP have no policy on any of these things.
      They canned their manifesto, they have no valid energy policy.
      All they have is a superior ability to scaremonger and blame others, in this instance immigrants and the EU. This will of course not wash.

      • Alexsandr

        they dont have a 2015 manifesto yet. just like liblabcon.

        • you_kid

          That is what I just pointed out.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            …do you and the goat have a plan, lad?

      • starfish

        Are you two some kind of tag team? We dont seen to get one without the other

      • fathomwest

        And what, pray, did the Labour Party do with their manifesto?

  • cargill55

    None of the Liblabcon oligarchy is interested in anything other than meeting the needs of themselves, cronies, big business and buying votes through lies wherever they can.
    The legacy of Liblabcon over the last two decades confirms it is not fit for government and needs to be confronted and swept away.
    In time UKIP will do that.

    • you_kid

      Your lunatic ramblings are welcome, lad. Did you feel you had not pointed out the above already? If you did, have you asked yourself whether you were displaying a manifest autistic condition? If not, do you not realise that you suffer from ASD?

      • icini

        Exactly how old are you ? Does your mummy know you’ve escaped from the playground ? She will be cross if she finds out how rude you are to grownups.

        • you_kid

          You love his spam – why don’t you vote it up, like the 40,000 other comments that say exactly the same, day in day out. Mummy is not amused about it either, rest assured.

          • Cyril Sneer

            You have almost as many comments as upvotes.

            You suck.

        • Cyril Sneer

          He does come across as a wet behind the ears pubeless child.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …what condition is it that causes you to be an ignorant and poorly educated socialist nutter, lad?

        • Cyril Sneer

          He was born with sh t for brains.

      • Cyril Sneer

        It’s good that the likes of Cargill get under your skin.

        I bet you hate all that is going on at the moment – UKIP on the rise, you having to deal with kippers everywhere.

        It must suck to be you.

    • icini

      Hang in cargill. Boy, how quickly the poor deluded anti Ukipers revert
      to rude and nasty insults. Don’t like it up ’em do they ?

  • cargill55

    British politics is now UKIP versus the Liblabcon /MSM / EU oligarchy.
    The oligarchy despises Britain and the British people and imposes corporate fascism on us to benefit themselves and big business/super rich cronies and friends by exploiting the British people and nation.
    UKIP loves Britain, wants back our sovereign and democratic country and wants to govern in the interests of the British people, putting Britain first with common sense policies.
    UKIP will destroy the oligarchy, it’s already causing chaos in Liblabcon so every UKIP vote counts.
    May 22

    • you_kid

      Vote UKIP in the Euros and fearmonger the living daylight out of the British people. This is welcome as these relatively minor elections will matter not, it will focus the electorate as to the simplistic lunacy that is on offer here. Then observe the real message being delivered in September.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        Yes, they’re such “relatively minor elections” that you spend all day shrieking about them.

        Doesn’t the goat miss you when you’re out shrieking, laddie?

        • you_kid

          Do you remember the 18th night of September?
          Love was changing the mind of pretenders
          While chasing the clouds away
          Our hearts were ringing
          In the key that our souls were singing
          As we danced in the night
          Remember, how the stars stole the night away,
          Ba de ya de ya de ya
          Ba de ya de ya de ya
          Ba de ya de ya de ya de ya …

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs069dndIYk

          • the viceroy’s gin

            …are you shrieking to the goatherd now, lad?

            • you_kid

              September will come lad. Then it is you who will shriek.

              • the viceroy’s gin

                No, lad, that won’t happen.

                Only you socialist nutters shriek.

                Well, so do your goats.

                • you_kid

                  Oh yes you will shriek lad. With excitement.
                  You and I know what the real meal deal is this year.
                  You and I know May comes before September.
                  You and I know UKIP will deliver what is required for all to go well thereafter. Everything is going exactly to plan.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, lad, only you socialist nutters shriek.

                  Well, that and you open camps to make people shriek.

  • icini

    In 2010 UKIP was, frankly, a bit of a shambles and the manifesto a load of pants. It gradually evolved until about 18 month ago, when most present activists and candidates joined. We saw a possibility, a party sufficiently democratic, grass roots based, with it’s heart in the right place and with a clever leader. It was an opportunity not to be missed. So we joined and set about influencing it, clearing out the nuts, developing a wider range of policy, moving a bit to the “left”. Not easy with little money, mainly amateur staff, with most work done in the branches and inexperienced members.

    The old guard gave us the platform and many still work hard for the party but all those candidates did not come from the pre 2010 base.
    We are not ist or phobes, right wing or left. We have few outside ties and no “Westminster” baggage. By and large, the new UKIP consist of people who took a cold, hard look at our political classes, studied their record and concluded any fool could do better than this lot. So we’re trying to do it ourselves. We think the average Brit will get a better deal if we clear out as much of the establishment as possible and start again, from new.
    We did not anticipate such an unprecedented hate campaign from both the usual suspects AND the MSM. It’s not nice to be constantly called nasty names but we’ll live with it. The prize, freedom from the EU, real democracy, proper representation by our MPs and Councillors, our own country and people ( all of them) being put first.

    Read all the new 2015 manifestos, compare, weigh against past promises, make your choice with hope and optimism for a new and brighter future… or more of the same.

    Meanwhile, on 22nd May, vote UKIP, to encourage us. We plebs did not reluctantly decide to turn politician for our own glory, for the money or because we fancy a new career. We did it for our children, our country, for Britain. Help us.

    • Streben80

      Nice to see you about, that Cameroon stooge Goodman has driven most of us out of ConHome, quality of debate has gone down ever since!
      You are as ever spot on, the response on the street and at street stalls has been amazing.

      • david trant

        I can’t believe how bad Conhome is now, it opens late if it all, and there is nothing worth looking at that site for. Tim must be weeping.

        • Streben80

          What makes me laugh is that the Cameroon luvvies still automatically bleat that it is UKIPHome and try to bait Kippers, howling that we dont answer, having failed to notice that we have mostly left. Out of touch even in their own site.

      • icini

        Been banned from conhome twice, as have many others. Too many up arrows I guess. Whatever, it’s their site and they are STILL swamped by Ukipers.

        • Rallan

          I’m banned there too, now. I posted there under the name of SmokedKipper.

    • Bill Brinsmead

      icini? Could be Britain’s Sarah Palin.

      • icini

        God forbid, anyway I can’t see Russia from here.

      • Wessex Man

        who cares?

    • http://www.frankfisher.org Frank Fisher

      You’re absolutely right iceni, about everything.

      When people ask me why I joined, why I’m sticking my head above the parapet by campaigning and standing, why I’m risking friendships and abuse, I have that same simple answer: I’m doing this for my kids. For all of our kids.

      • you_kid

        No you’re not. You wouldn’t even drive roof down singing to NWA through Moss Side, Frank.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          …I smell another of our resident gibberish-spewing nutter’s sockpuppets.

          Come out and ‘fess up, lad.

    • xfactordeadhead

      Fine post Icini …

    • Wessex Man

      I agree with most of your comments, I however joined way before 2010 just after Brown signed the Lisbon Treaty and am really pleased to see several of the old guard pushed out. the top of the party now better reflects the grass roots. An added bonus is that you disagree strongly with people like Farage and Crowther have a shouting match and end uo with them buying you a pint whereas in the Tory Party you would be brown bread!

      • icini

        Very true Wessex. Thank you for providing the rock on which we now all build.

  • @PhilKean1

    .
    UKIP are only now doing what we have been begging them to do.

    Which is to tell the British people that unlimited immigration can ONLY be prevented if we leave the EU.

    PHASE 2 – Strategy for the 2015 General Election.

    A UKIP VOTE IS NOT A WASTED VOTE – WHY?

    Because the only way for the British people to prevent Labour, the Liberals and Conservatives allowing open door immigration is to vote for UKIP to hold the balance of power at the 2015 General Election.

    UKIP want to give power back to the British people. The other parties just want power!
    .

    • Ricky Strong

      One would also like to think that a vote for UKIP will serve as strong reminder to the three sheep that when pursing their EU agenda they do so against the wishes of many of the electorate. Strong support for UKIP should surely undermine pro-EU policy.

      • @PhilKean1

        One would like to think that, true.

        But we are talking about an electorate so politically-ignorant they voted for 13 catastrophic years of Labour’s incompetence and maladministration.

        I have sort of come to the conclusion that they need protecting from themselves.
        .

        • Ricky Strong

          Quite right. Not forgetting that voter apathy is as much a cause of bad government as narrow-mindedness.

          Putting policies to one side I genuinely believe that Farage and UKIP have invigorated political debate in this country, and long may it continue.

          • @PhilKean1

            Totally agree. Exciting times.

            Voters view the Liberal-left political class with sheer contempt. He must exploit that to the full.
            .

    • xfactordeadhead

      Great post PhilKean1

    • the viceroy’s gin

      ” UKIP want to give power back to the British people. The other parties just want power! “

      .

      What a brilliant synopsis !

      If UKIP puts that up on the wall, and makes certain its policies are joined up with it, they will do just fine in 2015.

      • @PhilKean1

        Yes, that could be a winning mantra.
        .

  • cargill55

    UKIP v Liblabcon corporate Fascism (Costed , comprehensive 2015 manifesto coming soon.)
    Smaller v big state.
    Sovereign v Britain in a superstate.
    Lower tax and spend v higher tax and spend
    No political correctness or multiculturalism v political correctness and
    multicultural extremism.
    Defend Britain v illegal and unnecessary wars
    Functioning democracy v broken democracy
    Keep nation state v EU superstate
    Controlled v uncontrolled immigration
    Deal with illegal immigrants v let 1 million illegal immigrants stay
    Welfare as a short term basic emergency v welfare as a lifestyle
    Lower tax and spend and balanced books v higher tax and spend and soaring state debt
    Common sense Britain v cronyism, quangocracy, charitocracy, bureaucracy.
    Britain first v Britain last.
    No instant immigrant benefits v immediate immigrant benefits
    EU exit v EU
    Emergency humanitarian aid v £60 billion every 5 years.
    NHS with fewer managers and higher standards v NHS cronyism
    Tough on Law & Order v Soft on Law & Order
    No unnecessary foreign wars v EU/US expansionism

    • you_kid

      UKIP policy is closely modelled on Fascism. Protectionist in its outlook, discriminating in spirit. Say it loud and with pride:
      I vote UKIP because I believe in socio-economic fascist.

      • FrenchNewsonlin

        re “Fascism”. Anymore ‘isms’ you’d care to splash about? Is this the real level of political debate today?

        • you_kid

          The cargill stooge would love it if you addressed him personally, lad. Did I raise fascism? Are you not well?

          • MirthaTidville

            oh grow up and go peddle your nonsense elsewhere..or more like no one will have you eh

            • you_kid

              Pay me. I will counter nonsense whenever I read it – cargill is one of the best suppliers of tripe. ‘LibLabCon corporate fascism’, hahaha – is this the kindergarden? It’s the OPPOSITE. The corporations here milk the plebs, not serve them.

              • Cyril Sneer

                You’re a f cking child.

                You come across as a left wing student type – ignorant, offensive and dumb.

          • FrenchNewsonlin

            Suggest having a lie down before returning to the screen, may help you focus more clearly on the words of your initial post. One of these begins with an ‘F’, includes a ‘c’ in the middle and ends in an ‘m’. Otherwise no, of course you didn’t.

            • you_kid

              Did you not hear me first time round, lad? Take up your issues with those who RAISED them.

              • FrenchNewsonlin

                Illiterate or what (lad) ? Your original post is a statement not a citation (lad).

                • you_kid

                  Indeed – and why did you think did I made that statement, lad?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …because you’re an ignorant and poorly educated socialist nutter?

                • you_kid

                  You defend poorly educated socialst nutters now remember. You defend UKIP policy which dishes out as *core policy* in the Euros the protectionist lefty claptrap. You now defend the illegal curtailing of labour movement based on skill.

                  You are in a cul-de-sac again, lad, and again it was I who pointed that out, as always. No one else ever will.
                  I am the you_kid.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  You are the ignorant and poorly educated socialist nutter, lad .

                • you_kid

                  Matey, I am your guru.

                  I expose your fallacies in an instant, every single time as done here, again. YOU just love UKIP socialism, you are poorly educated otherwise you would not fall for that. But you did.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Is there any of you other socialist nutters who can translate this nutter’s gibberish?

                • you_kid

                  A mental meltdown occurs when you run out of ideas. Your mind boggles. Me? A socialist? That cannot be!

                  Yes, viceroy it can! You are a supporter of UKIP protectionist socialism. Hahaha, hilarious.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Nope, we still need another of you socialist nutters to translate this nutter’s gibberish. It’s impenetrable gibberish, from any of its many sockpuppets.

        • Tom M

          Take heart, it’s the first article just about anywhere recently that hasn’t descended into screams of “UKIP racists”.

          • Conway

            Give it time!

        • Wessex Man

          If you inist on debating with this you_kid, this is what you will get ignore him.

      • http://www.frankfisher.org Frank Fisher

        “UKIP policy is closely modelled on Fascism”

        100% nonsense.

        The most fascistic policy we have seen lately is the bank bailout. Was that UKIP? Nope, Gordon Brown. The endless wars – UKIP? Nope, Labour, and then Dave’s attempt in Syria. Intrusive surveillance on and offline – UKIP? Nope, LibLabCon.

        What’s fascist about UKIP?

        • you_kid

          Who caters for the fascists in Britain today? UKIP.
          Who blathers on about how a free market was best controlled by discriminating on the grounds of labour skill instead of facilitating a market that works best when its competitive and diverse? UKIP does.

          That is pure fascism in anyone’s book.

          • http://www.frankfisher.org Frank Fisher

            Gibberish. They pay you to write that?

            • you_kid

              Is everyone on these pages now short and jealous of those with the cash? Paid paid paid, bla bla bla … is it that good?

              You have not responded to my analysis, lad. Markets perform best when competitive and diverse. You don’t want that – you discriminate on the grounds of LABOUR SKILL.

              You want immigration but not *when it’s unskilled*. That is your policy not mine. You came up with it not me. You committed that error not anyone else. When you’re in the pit, stop digging. UKIP’s main policy response to Europe is fascism.

              • http://www.frankfisher.org Frank Fisher

                We have plenty of unskilled labour here already – we do not need more. And, once again, what is ‘fascist’ about these policies? Do you even understand what the word means?

                • you_kid

                  Frank, discriminating on the grounds of labour skill is your *core policy* in these elections.

                  Perhaps enlighten cargill55 with regards to what fascism is, he started using the term, I merely expanded on it. You dish out but cannot take? What is it with you Godfrey Bloom types – do you believe you stood a chance in the real world, the real economy, in real negotiations?

                • http://www.frankfisher.org Frank Fisher

                  You’ve got nothing to say?

                • you_kid

                  You don’t want a free market?
                  You don’t want to facilitate an environment that is competitive and diverse and instead embark on offering as your main policy in the Euros the illegal discrimination on the grounds of skill? The number of British bigots supporting that will be finite. Fascism is not how we do things here. It is not the British way – the grandsons of Mosley will not need to be reminded of that – you do. I just did.

                • http://www.frankfisher.org Frank Fisher

                  More gibberish. Very angry. Still not making any sense. Are you a LibDem?

                • you_kid

                  When the Mosley types come out and deliver their election pamphlet gibberish, then it is not anger you will face – it is pity and laughter. This is not the British way. This is not how we do things here.
                  I pointed out where you have gone wrong. Will you listen or focus on fascism, a word?

            • Wessex Man

              tele does when he has a couple of days off.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            You fascists cater to fascism, lad, like all you socialist nutters.

            Is your goat fascist, too?

      • the viceroy’s gin

        No, you believe in fascism because you’re a fascist, as all you socialist nutter envirowhackos are.

    • Stephen

      ‘No political correctness’ Does that mean we will be able to say whatever nursery rhyme we want in a Clarksonesque manner (allegedly)?
      ‘Functioning democracy v broken democracy’ on the assumption that this refers to more than simply leaving the EU; what is broken and how will it be fixed? You’ve given us a list of headline aspirations some of which need the what and the how explained before they have much substance.

      • cargill55

        No political correctness means people can use common sense.
        It’s quite clear the difference between racist intent and not.
        Functioning democracy means , for example, local primaries , MP recall, a better system than Fptp, English devolution, local and national referenda, fairer political funding system.
        I agree these are birds issues, that was the intention for this type of comment.
        Each can be elaborated on.

        • Stephen

          The problem with common sense is that it isn’t always common and it doesn’t always make sense. At least not to everyone. It is interesting that the detail includes both more referenda and a different voting system. We’ve had a referendum recently on a voting system that was widely believed to be of benefit to smaller parties and make coalitions more likely. Is Ukip is favour of a more proportional voting system that benefits it in Euro elections (as I am) even though the electorate are not?

          • fathomwest

            Stephen. You certainly are a mixed up chap.

          • http://www.frankfisher.org Frank Fisher

            AV is not a proportional system – it gives more power to mainstream parties and would actually work against UKIP; that’s why I voted against. You have to wonder why the LibDems, who had always claimed to want PR, chose to offer us a vote on something that wasn’t PR…

            • Stephen

              I agree with you, but that was not how the referendum was seen by many people at the time. And a vote against AV was widely seen as a vote against PR. Having said that, AV may have given some Conservative or Ukip voters the option to place the other party second thus reducing the risk that splitting the right wing vote will lead to lead to some unlikely Labour MPs.

            • you_kid

              The issue will return and tabled once more and next time round it will not be AV what will be on offer.

              • the viceroy’s gin

                …does that mean you fascists have something else in mind, lad?

              • http://www.frankfisher.org Frank Fisher

                You reckon? Tabled by who? The LibDems show no interest, even if they were in a position to do anything.

                • you_kid

                  It is not for the LibDems to table this again. It will have a far higher impact if another party demands that change and then delivers on it.

          • Wessex Man

            Well I’m a UKip memer and no I’m not in favour of changing our voying system, just in decimating the number of Members of the Commons and the Lords and an English Parliament.

          • Ben

            Ukip support PR….But not AV.

            PR means every vote is counted and goes to the party chosen by the elector. In this way Power (seats) are awarded preciously in line with percentage of votes won.

            AV is much as FPTP with the difference being that the votes given to the smaller parties then get transferred to lib/lab/con after a second round.

            So in essence AV is FPTP with an extra dose of votes for the LIB/LAB/CON after the second round.

            Or to put it another way…….Just more of the same BS

            • the viceroy’s gin

              PR does the same thing… it gives seats to LibLabCon, and not even by individual voters choosing those MP’s. It’s a party-driven exercise.

              Make all same-sized districts, and then vote. It’s the simplest and best way.

            • the viceroy’s gin

              They censored out your answer, for some reason, but I could read it.

              The thing about PR is, an individual vote isn’t for an individual candidate. Somebody else is picking who will be the proportioned representative, and that’s a huge problem.

              FPTP at least permits an individual candidate in an individual district to stand up and be qualified and quantified. If he and his party lose that election, they
              can modify their approach and try it again, and see if the voters have changed their minds. It’s straightforward and understandable. It also directly impacts the other candidates and parties. They know who is drawing support away from them, and they must modify their approach as
              necessary. So in the end, politics is shaped and sculpted, which serves the Peoples’ interests.

              UKIP is sculpting and shaping the living hay-all out of LibLabCon right now, if you notice, and they have nary an MP in hand.

        • you_kid

          Now I like you lad, now you are looking inward not outward for the errors of others. Now you are looking at your errors. Well done.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            …does that mean the goat likes him too, lad?

      • fathomwest

        Stephen, You cannot erase history. Unless of course you wish to burn books, and you know where that leads. Rather facist isn’t it?

        • Stephen

          Not sure how anyone, including me, is suggesting that a history should be erased. ‘Though I was once complicit in the accidental burning of a BCP during the Millennium.

    • fathomwest

      Why concern yourself over a manifesto. Didn’t the High Court support the Labour Party by saying a manifesto is not binding…So why have one? They are all lies.

  • you_kid

    UKIPs reactionary socialism will bring nothing but decline. It is not a policy in favour of competition or free markets, UKIP have now chosen to discriminate on the basis of labour skill. This pathetic protectionist policy is akin to 1960s Albanian socialism.

    Say it loud and with pride:
    I love 1960s Albanian socialism, that is why I am voting UKIP.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      No, you’re a socialist nutter and envirowhacko, because that’s what you’ve always been.

      How’s the goat?

  • DavidL

    One thought. UKIP is undoubtedly having great success in gathering anti-EU votes. But is it also having an equal and opposite effect? I’ve seen polls recently that show a majority of people in favour of remaining within the EU; and that notional majority becomes bigger if the UK Govt secures concessions from the EU. From memory, these are the first pro-EU polls I can remember since the UK bombed out of the ERM. Given that these polls are concurrent with the rise of UKIP, does this suggest that UKIP is repelling at least as many people as it is winning over? And given that a large UKIP vote in a General Election would almost certainly let in a Labour Government committed to the “European Social Model”, could it be that UKIP is destined to win the battle but lose the war?

    • Alexsandr

      UK government secure concessions from the EU? Ha ha ha. Wilson tried it in 1975, came back with meaningless concessions and duped us all before the referendum. Not again.
      People are not against the EU. they are against the EU as it is constituted now. Even in other countries within the EU.

      • Conway

        People are not against the EU. they are against the EU as it is constituted now” I would have agreed with you if you had said people are not against the common market, but the European Union is and always has been a meddlesome, undemocratic construct.

      • ArchiePonsonby

        PLUS the repeated negatives ad nauseam from Merkel, Hollande, Barosso, et al, I should have thought put the complete kibosh on THAT train of thought?

    • DWWolds

      The polls are all over the place and don’t really make sense. I’ve seen the ones you refer to but the one quoted in yesterday’s Sunday Times showed UKIP ‘s policies on the EU coming out top. The disparity in the results probably depends on, inter alia, the way in which the question is posed.

    • Streben80

      The war doesnt end in 2015, Milliband is a useful idiot for UKIP, he has the same contempt for his voters as Cameron does and even better, his ideas are rubbish, gold plated rubbish, so five years of that should soften the Labour vote nicely. 2015 isnt the end, it is the next stage.

    • Conway

      … and that notional majority becomes bigger if the UK Govt secures concessions from the EU” Only, as we all know, there won’t be any concessions, will there? Barroso, van Rompuy and numerous other EU bigwigs have said so. Acquis communautaire is non-negotiable.

  • Streben80

    Given that the General Election manifesto and the local election manifestos have not been launched and wont be until later in the year, it is just too early to know what the tactic is to retain those Euro voters.
    My hope as a member is that they moderate the immigration as a focus, broaden out into several areas that are unexpected and push those areas as hard as they have pushed immigration for the Euros. The zero hours contracts comments Farage made a few weeks back shows that they have their eye on the bigger policy picture and my guess would be that was a test shot to see how it was received.
    Speaking to the public on the streets it is quite clear that immigration is a HUGE issue for many, the task is to identify a handful of other issues that are common to those supporters.
    My best guess at this stage is that something on conditions for the armed services will be in there, affection for the armed services is common through almost all UKIP members and supporters. Tax for the low paid will undoubtedly feature and I suspect Human Rights will pop up somewhere as there is no doubt that some very notable cases which infuriate ordinary folk have shown some scope for change there.
    Success in 2015 will be as much about the organisation skills of UKIP branches as it will policy though, you need both and it requires a moderate level of support from above to work effectively. Continuing to copy from the Lib Dem organisational handbook will be a wise move in making sure UKIP keep the support.

    • Alexsandr

      its sucess or not in 2015 will be whether they keep their eye ont he ball over EU and immigration. On top of that they need a credible taxation, spending and budgeting policy.

      • Streben80

        I dont doubt that immigration and the EU will figure, I am only saying that for a GE you need more to say beyond that, the debate on the EU/immigration is well underway now, it belongs to UKIP in the way that Labour has owned the NHS as an issue, we just need to do as Nigel said, talk about a post-EU Britain aswell.

      • ArchiePonsonby

        Agreed, but Streb is spot-on with the concerns about the Forces and so-called “human rights”! Those two – with the EU and immigration – are probably enough for the policy blokes to go on for now. Come late August though, the public will want to get their teeth into more stuff to mull over in the Winter.

    • Conway

      Speaking to the public on the streets it is quite clear that immigration is a HUGE issue for many” That’s what I have found, too. People bring it up all the time when they talk to me as I’m handing out literature.

  • Denis_Cooper

    Maybe you shouldn’t worry too much about UKIP and the general election for the moment. There’s a long-established pattern that after any electoral success UKIP will descend into internecine disputes, even civil war, so that may happen again. It’s a strange thing that a measure of electoral success has often been far more damaging for unity within UKIP than electoral failure, the opposite to most parties. One might almost think that there are always people planted in UKIP whose role is to prune it back after any growth, undoing much of the hard work done by others including the ordinary members, but of course that would be a ridiculous conspiracy theory.

  • cargill55

    The quiet British revolution is underway , the old parties of the Liblabcon oligarchy are discredited through failure, cronyism , nepotism, parasitism and as purveyors of corporate fascism with their EU , big business, super rich and bureaucracy mates.
    UKIP is the antidote to this mix of liberal left extremism and corporate fascism which benefits everyone except the British people with I it’s philosophy of a sovereign, democratic Britain putting British people first with common sense policies.

    • you_kid

      Stop making stuff up, lad.
      UKIP oppose no such thing. Farage loves the City, he confirmed that many times. Magna Carta corporatists here are not opposed by UKIP in any way, not in energy, rail, public transport, land use, housebuilding. None of these sectors require EU input, policy is national policy. Their tax evading qualities, their inabilities to deliver anything the people want is the making of the EU? Pull the other one . . .
      Why do you want our indigenous stooges to continue to control what ought to be controlled by the electorate? I am not holding my breath for a response.

      • Alexsandr

        the EU makes rules that the big boys can work with with ease but which are impossible for the small businesses, the EU is for big business only.

        • you_kid

          German SME laugh in your face.

          • Alexsandr

            it’s well known that the UK enforces EU diktats and the rest of the EU doesnt. Think why all french trains are french made and all german trains are german made but british trains are mostly foreign made.

            • you_kid

              Because we buy in that expertise. It is our choice to buy it in. The same applies to printing technology, medical tech, automotive excellence and any energy plant technology, whether it’s renewable technology, modern coal fired power plant or modern CCGT and nuclear power. EU dikat my backside. You buy BMW, Audi, Citroen and Peugeot because you want to! There goes a year’s salary – your salary.

              • Alexsandr

                we used to have a vailble train building indistry. but we played by the rules and put new train orders out to tender. So now our trains are made abroad mostly.
                go out and count the Siemens Desiros :(

                • you_kid

                  Boo hoo – now Siemens are the evil boys who sell us stuff we don’t want. Just like all these Gaggenau and Poggenpohl kitchens. Boo hoo hoo. Are you Greek, your logic is impenetrable, lad.

                • Alexsandr

                  No I despair at our government vandalising our train building industry just to satisfy EU diktats, while the French, Germans, et al allowed their to grow with home orders.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …actually, as ever, it is your gibberish that is impenetrable.

                  How’s the goat, by the way?

        • JJ

          Just like here in the US, that’s why us American conservatives dislike the government in Washington: corporatists and big-gov. liberals get along greatly, to screw the average American. We want a true free-market where everyone competes on a level playing field!

          • telemachus

            What happens to the poor and disadvantaged JJ?

            • JJ

              The poor and disadvantaged get the opportunity to lift themselves out of poverty through the freedom to pursue their dreams without being hampered by excessive government regulations and taxation (as long as those dreams aren’t criminally based), the ones on the margin that cannot do this (and there are a few, but not a huge number) will be helped by a much smaller welfare state.

      • Colonel Mustard

        “I am not holding my breath for a response.”

        Pity.

        • you_kid

          Ah, the wise men come out to deliver their inferior blatherings.
          Pity.

          • Colonel Mustard

            Whereas that sock puppet fool ‘you-kid’ has been delivering inferior blatherings in this thread for quite some time already.

            Who’s paying you to troll here sock puppet?

            • you_kid

              Are you bored now telemachus is not around to feed you? Have you been paying him to deliver the goods for you to respond to – without him your life is dull and meaningless but your funds have dried up?
              Whatever you thought was a good price to charge, double it and I would still not offer my services to you, sorry.

              • the viceroy’s gin

                Your services are those of a goatherder, lad. Problem is, nobody likes socialist nutter goatherders.

                • you_kid

                  You had the chance to address the socialsts, lad – why don’t you?
                  they are all over this blog. Are you scared/ Do you want me to hold your hand?
                  UKIP are the real socialsts – only UKIP want socialist protectionism, only UKIP want fascist style control of labour movement. Now, why don’t you get on with your quest an expose the socialism whenever you see it? Are you a defender of socialism. lad?

                  I have all of you pseudo free marketeers lined up nicely on this blog. Keep your sockpuppets coming, I will deal with them with one hand tied behind my back, lad.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Again, is there another of you socialist nutters who can translate this nutter’s gibberish? It’s impenetrable under any of its nutty sockpuppets.

                • you_kid

                  Yawn, lad. You need to keep that line – it sends everyone to sleep.
                  You are now a defender of UKIP socialism and the protectionist lefty claptrap they offer.
                  That does not surprise me one bit.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Still need that socialist nutter translator, socialist nutters.

                • you_kid

                  Still need to focus, lad. Expose the socialism where you see it. If you can’t then I will give you a hand. UKIP labour policy is pure national socialism, lad. Now, when will you go to town on that socialist nuttery, you pseudo socialist hater.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Nope, still need that socialist nutter translator, laddie.

                • Wessex Man

                  This is Tele in disguise, only more silly why on earth are you bothering to debate with the half-wit?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, it’s not telemucus, it’s that other gibberish spewing socialist nutter.

                • Cyril Sneer

                  What is this idiot talking about?

      • Fergus Pickering

        We don’t see you at all and suddenly you’re like a rash. Where did you come fro? Who were you before? Why do you address everybody as lad? AsAttlee said to one of his mouthy colleagues, ‘a period of silence would be appreciated’.. Perhsp you could bear not responding two dozen times over a short period of time. No, I don’t suppose you could bear it. Here’s not looking at you, kid.

        • you_kid

          Cargill gets on my boobies – I will respond to his inferior and repetitive effluvia as often as I see fit.
          Muzzle your dog or I will muzzle him for you.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            Hmmmm, what does the goat say about your muzzling, lad?

          • Cyril Sneer

            “I will muzzle him for you.”

            How very left wing.

  • starfish

    “behaving like a party with serious political ambitions. ”

    Is that where you make promises you have no intention of keeping and ‘triangulate’ between your rivals?

    Why does UKIP have to follow bubble rules?

    • icini

      We don’t.
      We”ll pick the best and dump the rest.

  • BenefitsStreet
    • Denis_Cooper

      So has Cameron, as far as one-on-one head-to-head mano-a-mano single combat is concerned. And who can really blame him, seeing what happened to Clegg when he had the temerity to try to take on Farage on his own? But Cameron might be prepared to consider debating with Farage if he’s allowed to take three friends along to help him, Miliband and Clegg and some Green woman who is only known to other Greens.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …and don’t forget the media “moderators” and the audience.

  • Jez

    With the terrible and unbelievable results of the EU’s foreign policy (with what seems NeoCon instruction) running wild across the Ukraine, then there has to be a force to check this most dangerous and irresponsible, seemingly corporate driven belligerence.

    Through the ballot box there has to be a UKIP landslide. Hopefully to shake the establishment media & political monopolies to their very cores. The future for Europe (& the wider geo political situation globally) is being played out by our EU masters as though it’s a Call of Duty game in the East right now.

    • telemachus

      Disingenuous to blame the EU for the Ukraine
      The so called EU policies are simply State Department by proxy
      To my mind the EU are acting as a brake on some of the more crazy Kerry notions

      • Jez

        Only due to their own individual self interests, thus instantly undermining the core principles of the Super State premise that is the EU experiment.

        The thing is, Farage is going to see himself utterly isolated by the Money men that now completely rely on the present status quo staying the same.

        A G7 country suddenly looking at it’s own National Interest, wrenching itself away would be a potential disaster for some incredibly powerful and rich people maybe.

        • wayne

          Rubbish, the EU is interested in expansionism and this has lead to the debacle costing lives and ruining a country

          • Jez

            You misunderstand my point.

            As an opinion only;

            Farage is in the cross hairs of the corporate machines that have dangled the Carrot of eternal wealth & security in front of the noses of our establishment political elite.

            Without losing the momentum with a cliche; Tony Blair is ‘the’ case in point with this.

            The Western economies are very delicate- and seem to be sustained through QE and creating money through utterly engineered manipulation. Although the behavior of the West seems to contradict that of a ‘bulk unit’ that is on the ropes, it’s recent actions this last 14 years be a wider picture of resource control.

            The BRIC countries are on the rise- and seem to be investing in gold- the only thing the US has is Oil and control of that global market.

            A UKIP victory and rising domestic influence would have two massive impacts on 2 of the three global currencies; The Pound and the Euro.

            • telemachus

              It is for this very reason that should there be any significant electoral success for Ukip there would be no pull out
              At most he would achieve a renegotiation of some of the ‘social chapter’
              The run on the pound that would occur if there were prospect of pullout would lead to IMF conditions one of which would be no pull out
              *
              But fear not
              After a high point in 2 weeks we will see a slow withering of this party with no purpose

            • the viceroy’s gin

              I agree with much of what you’re saying here, but the BRICs are not on the rise. They are treading water at best. They have their own troubles, but they don’t appear to have chained themselves to a redundant group of globalist troughers, and that’s one weakness UKIP can help remedy.

              • telemachus

                Do not expect Ukip to remedy anything
                It is a repository of the protest vote
                After Tories realise that their switch to Ukip has delivered Westminster to Labour they will revert to form
                Then decline begets decline

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Of more interest will be the number of Lab that comes over to UKIP on May 22.

                  Those votes are available to UKIP in 2015, by definition.

                • telemachus

                  If you understand the geography of the defectors and the distribution of Labour Marginals plus the runners up in these marginals you will understand that this is only an electoral problem for the Tories

                • Rallan

                  If you understand what’s happening among the electorate you’ll appreciate how damaging that kind of winning against the deocratic will has become.

                • telemachus

                  I understand
                  And thank God for first past the post

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, that’s not true, and that’s the reason you lefties are shrieking so shrilly.

                • Wessex Man

                  oh do grow up! they are not defectors, just ordinary men and women fed up with the lies of Lab/Tory/Lib/dums!

                • Wessex Man

                  You are abitter little man aren’t you, why I almost can’t believe that you were a member and stood as a candidate for UKip tele.

      • chudsmania

        ‘Disingenuous to blame the EU for the Ukraine’
        Well it wasnt anyone else. Its dangerous having these clowns making our laws when they have no idea of the history of the Ukraine. Ashton and her merry band of bureaucrats were into this neck deep. Meanwhile i’m trying to find my phone charger , i’ve several of them here , harmonisation anyone ? Oh hang on , they’re to busy empire building and meddling above their paygrade.

        • telemachus

          It was not the EU
          It was, as always, the foreign policy cooperative of the US, the UK, France and Germany
          It would have been no different if there were no EU
          If perhaps there were no NATO it might have been different

          • chudsmania

            No it was the representatives of the EU. Suck on it .

            • telemachus

              Wound up by Kerry

          • Wessex Man

            What she works for the Yanks as well now then tele?

      • Wessex Man

        So Gord’s crony Cath Ashton wasn’t out there stirring it all up weeks before Russia reacted then?

        • Jez

          Exactly.

          McCain and Ashton stirring up Right Sector.

          This will be their Frankenstein’s monster, as seen in Odessa this weekend.

    • xfactordeadhead

      Fine post Jez …

    • Conway

      There has been a recent study by Civitas, based on EU figures, which shows that any trade benefits of being in the EU are a myth. Our share of trade with EU countries has gone down from 63% when we joined in 1973 to 61% now, whereas trade with countries outside the EU has doubled and tripled. So, far from Clegg’s 3 million jobs being lost, it seems even the economic argument has been lost.

Close
Can't find your Web ID? Click here