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The Axe man cometh

11 May 2014

11:16 AM

11 May 2014

11:16 AM

David Axelrod jets into London this week for the first time since signing up to help Labour in 2015. Axelrod, who friends admit is no expert on UK politics, will have two days to try and get his head round the shape of the next election campaign.

This trip will mark the first time that Axelrod and Miliband have met face to face. Up to now, they have only spoken on the telephone. Axelrod will also address a specially convened meeting of the shadow Cabinet.

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There’s no doubt that having the man who helped Obama get to the White House in town will be a boost to Labour morale. But the scale of the task facing Axelrod is demonstrated by the events of the last week. Labour’s bizarre party political broadcast last week demonstrated a collective lack of judgement: why did nobody put their foot down and say this is puerile and offensive, let’s bin it? While the blunder of trying to make a point about the increase in VAT rising but using food exempt from the tax to do it suggested a level of sloppiness that will be punished in a general election.

More broadly, Miliband needs to remember that if he’s to win, he needs the votes of those who aren’t as certain as he is that he’s right. It is not enough for Labour just to claim that the Tories are heartless and the Lib Dems spineless. If it is to succeed in 2015, Labour needs to do far more to persuade and reassure.

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  • Raw England

    So, Ed Milliband, the Labour leader of foreign origin, imports a foreigner to help cook up a wave of professional, relentless lies to be unleashed upon the people.

  • Smithersjones2013

    why did nobody put their foot down and say this is puerile and offensive, let’s bin it?

    You’d have thought that Forsyth would have realised by now (after the escapades of the likes of Draper, McBride, Simon et al) that this is only puerile and offensive to Tory and Libdem apparatchiks and Labour enjoy nothing better than offending such people. To the rest of the world (the few that will have taken any notice of it) it will probably have reinforced their impressions of all three establishment parties whatever they might be.

    Whats clear is Miliband knows that by retaining the many hundreds of thousands of Libdem defectors who’ve switched to Labour he cannot lose. That PPB was solely about ensuring that support remained with Labour. That its got the usual pompous suspects in the Tory party spitting feathers is a bonus for Labour.

    And as someone sitting on the sidelines as puerile as it was it put a wry smile on my face much like the Ealing comedy ‘I’m Alright Jack’. Clegg fits the bill as the Ian Carmichael character perfectly and if ever there was a dupe who fits the caricature of the Terry Thomas ‘cad’ it’s ‘Flashman’ Dave

  • HookesLaw

    Why are you interested in giving crypto marxist Miliband advice?

  • Golben Amduke

    Axelrod helping the Labour Party is like Daniel Day-Lewis appearing in X-Men XXVII.

  • Curnonsky

    Axelrod’s advice will be the same he gave Obama in 2012: make the election about personality, identity and class, not issues. Paint Cameron (the way the Democrats painted Romney) as heartless, posh, cold and out-of-touch. Push Miliband as the warm-hearted (if sometimes wrong-headed) man of the people who will fleece the rich and hand out goodies to you and me. And keep the conversation focused on the personal – never policy – so that your opponent’s voters stay home on election day.

    Chicago Rules, baby.

    • Alexsandr

      not sure you can import such cynical methods here. I think many would find them a major turnoff. And methods like this may drive people to anti-politics UKIP.

      • ButcombeMan

        You are probably correct. Americans are ,by and large politically stupid. & easy to manipulate.

        Axelgrease may find the UK a more difficult project.

    • Grey Wolf

      None of that will work here.
      Further, Cameron requires no painting. What is there to paint?
      And M-band and Clegg are no different. Don’t buy into the PMQ bull s h I t. There is no adversarial politics in reality.
      People should be asking why the idiot has imported Axel or whatever other rod. What is wrong with him.

    • HookesLaw

      Cameron has been in govt and has a record. For instance cutting income tax for the lowest paid.
      How is he heartless when spending billions on foreign aid which the extreme rightist out of touch nutjob loonies detest? He could easily BE heartless and climb up the poll ratings if he wanted.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …not to mention, your guy Call Me Dave has brought over all the other socialist Obamabots, Messina and that despicable Maoist, Anita Dunn. But then, we’d expect that of you socialist LibLabCon clones. You all do the exact same things, as you seem to relish and your post reiterates.

  • Terry Field

    It is offensive to British democracy that an arrogant American spin-liar brings his Imperial East – coast liberal patrician arrogance to f*ck up OUR election and screw with OUR minds.
    Piss of and flog your garbage to your own people, sleazeball.

    • Grey Wolf

      I agree with your comments overall but it is not as if we in the Kingdom are not used to Campbells and Coulsons – dirty, filthy, corrupt, lying, frothing scum.
      People believed Campbell’s nonsense and voted Labour in thrice!!! Not once but thrice!!! Ponder that.

  • Grey Wolf

    ”There’s no doubt that having the man who helped Obama get to the White House in town will be a boost to Labour morale.”

    A pointless, meaningless, contextless, fatuous collection of words.

  • David B

    Simple truth is in the current climate where a DJ has to leave his job for playing a song with an offensive word in it, it is acceptable to say what you ike about white men who are seen to be posh and rich.

  • London Calling

    Many a true word said in jest……….the political broadcast by the Labour Party got all the points across with humour, a deadly weapon when feeding to the masses especially when its simple and to the point……….dont underestimate the impact even if it was somewhat juvenile……………Axelrod sounds like the terminator it will be interesting to see his input on the political front when the time comes, be scared………..be very scared…………:)

  • Colonel Mustard

    “As the socialist South American country is forced to ration food, electricity and water and is condemned by Amnesty International for torturing protesters, Labour MP Chris Williamson says:

    “If we follow the lessons of Venezuela, we can fulfil the dreams of the many in the UK.””

    Says it all about what to expect from the national socialists.

  • Colonel Mustard

    As awareness of my own mortality becomes stronger I look back on life and wonder why it is that unmitigated sh*ts always seem to win the arguments. If ever a party deserved a comeuppance and nil points it is Labour. Instead it looks more likely that ghastly gang of liars is going to troop triumphantly into No.10, impose the torture of “government by telemachus” and subject us to yet more misery masquerading as hope. Cod liver oil without the beneficial effect.

    And please don’t tell me to vote Tory rather than UKIP Hooky. That is like choosing between being hung and shot.

    • Andy

      Fear not Colonel, you are listed in Telemachus’s book, ‘People to be Exterminated’, so your torture will be of short duration.

      • Colonel Mustard

        Long runs the fox. They won’t be the first to try.

      • telemachus

        In contradistinction to yourself, Nico is way down the list

      • David B

        Suspect all of us are in that book! First up against the wall when the peace loving revolution comes

        • Andy

          Indeed, but I am sure the National Socialists will set up a lot of ‘Camps’. If you want to know what Britian will be like after 20 years of Fascist rule look no further than North Korea.

          • David B

            Venezuela is more the country of choice – price controls to restrict supply of essentials, inept politicians that have no business experience telling business what to do and army on the streets killing those that disagree.

            Oh yes all to the vocal support of the socialist movements in other countries

    • 2trueblue

      Then you will be happy when Millipede, Balls et al move into no 10. You can kiss your grandchildrens future goodbye. Not to mention your own.

      • Colonel Mustard

        No I won’t. But when they do it will be down to Cameron not me.

        • HookesLaw

          Nom it will not – you are the voter YOU are responsible just like all the voters who went for blair were responsible.
          This govt has not done a bad job with a rotten inheritance. All your anti tory Cameron hysteria is just that hysterics based on fantasy.
          This govt has got to grips with everything Blair backed away from and is sorting out the mess left by Brown. Pensions welfare education health defence local govt. And this with the dead weight milstone of LibDems.

          Your excuses are totally pathetic.

          • Alexsandr

            immigration – FAIL
            Defecit reduction – FAIL
            reigning back the EU – FAIL
            Cutting Quangoes – FAIL

        • 2trueblue

          Cameron can’t vote himself in, that is what the voters do.

    • HookesLaw

      All you have to do is vote tory and encourage others to and your fears will melt away like the morning mist. There I’ve said it

  • dado_trunking

    Is Britain’s Crosby Show working? — really?

    • the viceroy’s gin

      …were you and the sockpuppets looking to vote on another show, lad?

  • Ricky Strong

    The task facing Axelrod will really hit home after he has spent 5 minutes in a room with Milliband.

    • ButcombeMan

      Surely Milliband’s massive intellect will shine through, along with Ed Balls polished bedside political manner and complete understanding of what led to the financial crash?

      • Alexsandr

        ed b0110cks polished? there is a brummie saying. you cant polish a t*urd. about sums it up really.

        • ButcombeMan

          Irony alert, irony alert. …..time for your afternoon nap I think.. Nurse…….?

          • telemachus

            You may say that now
            You and I know that you have seen the light and were speaking the truth

      • Terry Field

        AAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

      • telemachus

        You are beginning to understand

        • Ooh!MePurse!

          No, yet again you have failed to understand.

        • ButcombeMan

          tele Dear boy.

          You should sneek off and have a word with wee Dougie, maybe give him some training in political campaigning, a short primer in VAT zero rating, a little bit of humility & understanding of what it is like to have a sick child treated by the NHS.

          For those who missed it, I suggest get over to Guido to see we Dougie get a good seeing to by Brillo.

          An astonishing embarrassment. Maybe Axlegrease can cure this incompetence? Maybe not.

          Wee Dougie is plainly not the smartest card in the Labour pack.

    • telemachus

      He will be dazzled
      This week we will see even Farage has had to accept and trumpet the cost of livings crisis(See Sunday Times)

      • Ricky Strong

        I’m surprised to see you floating around here after that party political broadcast of yours.

        Infantilism personified.

        • telemachus

          A comment from the chattering classes
          It hit home among Sun and Mirror readers

          • Ricky Strong

            I don’t really care who it hit.

            In politics I expect professionalism maturity and integrity. To think that a man who may possibly be the Prime Minister of this country watched that and thought it acceptable is an indicator of what to expect from his government.

            • telemachus

              Ruthless pursuit of an egalitarian agenda

              • Colonel Mustard

                Nothing egalitarian about corrupt Labour lords, taxpayer funded quangocrats, champagne socialists and reform blocking union supporters. Creating an elite of unelected apparatchiks and politicising a once famously impartial civil service on the back of PC intimidation and dogma is not egalitarian.

                The only place your agenda will take us is into a British version of East Germany.

                • telemachus

                  There is more to freedom than the apparent benefits of democracy trumpeted by the American Right and increasingly by the right wing over here
                  Are people free in a land where only the rich can buy a decent education
                  Only the rich can find a hospital bed with enough nurses to provide food and drink
                  Only the rich can find solace from their daily tool in holidays
                  Only the rich can both clothe and feed their children
                  There are far worse fates than the egalitarian society of East Germany. Whatever shortcomings in material accoutrements perceived by outsiders were trumped a thousand times by the national pride in achievements on the world stage

                • Alexsandr

                  tellytubby is the daily tool.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Thanks for that confirmation of what Labour aspire to for the British people and that they are essentially anti-democratic.

                  Worse fates than the “egalitarian” society of East Germany eh? Hmm. The fact that there are other people barmy enough to upvote you for that offensive tripe should worry us all.

                  “In depressed parts of East Berlin I listened to Germans in their 40’s and 50’s reminisce about the old DDR, or communist East Germany. The recurring theme heard was that one form of slavery has been replaced by another. A stifling communist dictatorship was traded in for a stifling bureaucratic welfare state. One said to me that East Germans actually believed that after unification with the “free” West Germany 20 years ago, they would be allowed to start businesses and get rich. (I certainly would have thought that.) But most of those dreams were smashed against the bureaucratic rocks as myriad laws and regs make it very difficult to amass riches in today’s Germany.

                  The explosion of the size of the German government into a sprawling, suffocating nanny state, like all over Europe (and increasingly in America), has chunked away considerable personal freedom and made more and more people feel like victims of state oppression. In Germany the oppression ranges from the political correctness that controls speech, to more brazen acts like the merciless snatching of children from good families at dawn by the sinister Jugendamt (the government child “welfare” agency). Big government creates victims and victim complexes, whether it’s trying to do good or not.”

                  Sounds familiar. Looks like Son of Communist wants the “best” of both worlds.

                • telemachus

                  I am just slightly puzzled by your reply which supports my thesis at least in part

                  *

                  My underlying belief is that there is much more to life than personal material success

                  If we do not believe this we accrue resources without thought of our neighbours

                  *

                  Hear this:

                  East Germans represent 20% of the population but under 5% of the elite in politics, business, science and media, found the sociologists at Bielefeld University. Merkel grew up in the east but her cabinet consists of west Germans. None of the 30 leading companies listed in the German share index have an east German boss. 95% of professors of sociology or political science are originally from the west, even in east German universities such as Leipzig or Dresden. The same is true for the media. The editors-in-chief of big newspapers all hail from the west. Not even Berliner Zeitung or SuperIllu, which are mainly read in the east, have east German editors.

                  *
                  This is why many believe they were better off before 1989

                • Colonel Mustard
                • Colonel Mustard
                • Colonel Mustard
                • Colonel Mustard

                  Labour, the party of lies, lying and liars.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  You shouldn’t be puzzled because the answer is in the passage I quoted. Whilst the East Germans were busy trying to escape the oppressive, snooping single party socialist state behind the Berlin Wall, the socialists in Western Europe were busy trying to build an oppressive, snooping socialist single party state there, via the EU project. Instead of finding the freedom to work to acquire their own wealth they found choking Eurosocialist red tape and La La Quangoland full of Long Marchers beavering away to recreate the dog’s breakfast of the Unrechtsstaatt they had escaped.

                  The fact that you now advocate East Germany in addition to your admiration for Stalin shows how vile you are.

                • telemachus

                  Thank you
                  I am no longer puzzled
                  Just another Eurosceptic rant
                  Perhaps a little more principled than Farage
                  But bog standard just the same

                • HookesLaw

                  Billions have been spent in the east – but the are needs education – something which btakes a generation, not a quick fix. And do not forget that as the East moves forward so does the west.
                  http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/20-years-of-investment-despite-progress-former-east-germany-still-lags-behind-a-645596.html

                  Interestingly this report says …’In particular the region has to battle a demographic slump and is in
                  need of better qualified young people and immigrants to keep its economy
                  growing.’
                  It points out … ‘Back in 1992 the former East Germany had become a desolate wasteland of
                  empty factories and only accounted for only 3.4 percent of Germany’s
                  gross domestic product’.
                  East Germany was a broken mess and it could not be mended in a jiffy.

                • telemachus

                  I think you are saying that Ulbricht and Honecker did a splendid job

                • Ooh!MePurse!

                  Are you trying to suggest that those four things are features of our country? If so you need to get out more and open your eyes. A good place to start would be an airport where you can see thousands of perfectly ordinary people going on holiday.

                  Whilst you’re there you could buy a one-way ticket to North Korea. You’d like it there.

                • McClane

                  That’s why the East Germans camped in their hundreds in Western embassy gardens in Prague and Budapest. And why they left the GDR in the thousands in their cardboard Trabants.

                • telemachus

                  And when they arrived they realised that life was not marvellous and most went back

                • McClane

                  No. Most didn’t.

                • telemachus

                  There were many reasons for leaving
                  Die Gründe für das Verlassen der DDR waren sehr unterschiedlich. Von den vor dem Mauerbau Geflüchteten gaben 56 % politische Gründe an, darunter mit 29 % als am häufigsten genanntem Grund ihre „Ablehnung politischer Betätigung“ oder von „Spitzeldiensten“ sowie „Gewissensnotstände und Einschränkung von Grundrechten“. An zweiter Stelle folgten mit 15 % persönliche oder familiäre Gründe, mit 13 % wirtschaftliche Gründe,, 10 % gaben den Wunsch nach besseren Einkommens- oder Wohnverhältnissen an
                  Sadly those that left for economic reasons were disillusioned and may returned

                • Alexsandr

                  you are a f*cking disgrace, glorifying the vile east german state. This was a police state that made people disapear for their political views. Their secret police, the Stasi were the most feared in E Europe. I consider them to be as bad as the Nazis. They built a wall round their part of berlin and round east germany to keep their people in, and shot those who tried to escape. Do you really want to live in a country that shoots its citizens for wanting to leave?

                  Go to Berlin and stand at the brandenburg gate, then cross the road to the tiergarten. Note the line of cobbles where the wall was, then think how it was that you could not do that for many years.

                  Take the U bahn to Schlesisches Tor and cross the Spree and by Mühlenstraße there is a section of the wall. Think what its like having that between you and your family.

                  And all this in the name of socialism.

                • telemachus

                  I do not glorify the East German State any more than I glorify Stalin
                  You have to understand your views are conditioned by your education comfortable economic circumstances and the value you put on freedom of expression and freedom of movement
                  If you are poor and bottom of the heap and cannot put food on your children’s feet you put no value at all on the so called freedoms
                  You want freedom from poverty
                  You see many around driving BMW cars and wearing designer clothes and you wonder why people value this society
                  *
                  In East Germany however little they may corporately had by Western standards they were by and large equal and had equal access to education, health and sports facilities
                  Most felt valued and most were content
                  *
                  I would not wish to emulate other than to promote a little more equality

                • Alexsandr

                  I think you should f*ck off to N Korea then. Your views are simply ahbhorrent. You should hang your head in shame.

                • telemachus

                  Read it
                  Read it and think

                • telemachus

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-3OscH1qK0
                  It is 10 minutes but listen thru to the section on freedom

                • glurk

                  How can you so glibly assume that you know how and why people hold their opinions, who they are and what their life experience has been to lead them to hold them? Whoever you are or whoever you support, bigotry and self interest was made for you. Its unfortunate that compassion is alien to you. You get to vote some of us did not and do not have that luxury, including those under the regime you so admire.

                • telemachus

                  You misunderstand
                  I do not admire
                  I simply remind you that there is more than one way of looking at things

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Paltry even by your standards. You say you do not glorify the East German state and then go on to do just that.

                  The only equality socialism brings is the equality of misery as Churchill pointed out.

                • ButcombeMan

                  “Only the rich can buy a decent education”?

                  Exactly, I got one, it was a Grammar school. Gove is doing his best, against the blob, to remedy that. UKIP will bring back Grammar Schools, available to all, if they are good enough.

                  As for East Germany, drugging your athletes is no solution to underperformance, take it away and you don’t compete.

                • telemachus

                  Ukip’s Grammar Schools will be stuffed with middle class progeny whose parents can afford to coach for the entrance exams

                • ButcombeMan

                  But kids of all social classes who are truly bright, will get the education they deserve,without wealth.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      It doesn’t really matter who Axlerod is working for. He can be effective no matter who it is, simply because he’s a practitioner of the Chicago way. He’s the guy who got sealed court documents unsealed, twice, documents which eventually got two of Obama’s opposition candidates driven from political races in Illinois. We might never have heard of this Obama character, if the nefarious dealer Axe hadn’t put down those opponents.

      • telemachus

        This is the kind of chap we need
        We are against duplicitous racists
        All is now fair

        • Alexsandr

          are racists worse than expenses fraudsters, war crimnals, paedophile apologists, and deficit deniers then?

          Labour still have hard questions to answer over their 13 years disasterous administration

          You have shown us the loony left have no truck with democracy, preferring the E german state under the Stasi.

          you should be tried for sedition.

          • telemachus

            Alexandr
            Life moves on
            There is a new team at the helm
            Sins of the past have been divorced apologised or explained
            The Sunday times today celebrated the explosion of billionaires
            Next week it will be millionaires
            And all the while mothers cannot afford shoes in Tower Hamlets
            If we do not address the disparities soon East Ukraine will look like a picnic in comparison

            • Alexsandr

              new team
              look like the same old dinosaurs to me. Those culpable for the omnishambles 1997-2010.

              • telemachus

                The Old Guard have moved on

                • wycombewanderer

                  Alexander was brillo’d yesterday and exposed as the fraud and liar that he is.

    • Alexsandr

      how will he spin the dromeys paedophile links?

  • 2trueblue

    Judging by Liebores output this week the standard can’t get much lower. They are the “Nasty Party” parroting lies and unpleasant propaganda. I hope that the rebuttal by the Tories will be hard hitting and FACTUAL.

    • Wessex Man

      something FACTUAL from the Tories, really?

      • telemachus

        The one factual thing we do see from Cameron and the Tories is the economic benefit of staying in the EU
        *
        And the need to protect that by making a pact with Merkel on the social and justice aspects of membership

        • 2trueblue

          Farage is assured round 1 which will give him more MEPs. There is a lot that can happen before the next real election. So far UKIP has no MPs at Westminster.

    • Shazza

      Well the Labour Party’s nasty tactics seem to be paying off. Sunday YouGov has the Labour lead over the Conservatives at 7%.

      We are doomed.

      • 2trueblue

        Nil desperandum. Liebore are heading for the gutter in their tactics and it is not an assured bet.

        • Shazza

          I fervently hope you are proved to be correct.

          • 2trueblue

            People will hopefully get fed up of the negativity, especially when you look at last weeks output which is a bunch of lies. Liebore, what they do best is lie.

    • Colonel Mustard

      “I hope that the rebuttal by the Tories will be hard hitting and FACTUAL.”

      Don’t hold your breath.

    • telemachus

      Problem is that the Tories are tired
      Their only raison d’etre these days is to play catch up with Farage

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