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Roger Helmer is a gift to CCHQ, so the Tories need to do really well in Newark

6 May 2014

8:48 PM

6 May 2014

8:48 PM

Well, the Ukip constituency association in Newark has certainly considered Nigel Farage’s musings on the success of appointing an unknown local candidate in a pivotal by-election… and completely ignored it. They’ve picked Roger Helmer, who, as Seb says, is not known for his mollifying centre-ground views.

His selection as the party’s candidate for the Newark by-election is a gift for CCHQ, which now needs a teaspoon rather than a spade to dig out awkward comments the MEP has made. Perhaps it also suggests that Ukip have decided there’s not much hope of winning so why bother to field a good candidate who the party’s opponents would lay into. Or perhaps that’s reading too much into it: decisions that look baffling from the outside tend to be down to complex internal party politics.

Of course, if Ukip go on to do very well in Newark anyway with such a sitting duck as a candidate, that will send the Conservative party into a spectacular meltdown.

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  • jamesbarn

    I think that the comments the media try to smear Helmer and UKIP with are silly. I am an old man, older in fact than Helmer and I grew up in a society that was very much anti homosexual. In fact those who practiced it were often in receipt of a custodial sentence if caught. Murderers were summarily hanged and hooligans were birched. Having grown up under a society who’s laws on these issues were never questioned and were subsequently the standards set by which society functioned it is hardly surprising that many still hold these values. To expect anyone to change their beliefs as to what is or is not acceptable in society on the basis of liberalisation is as silly as expecting a devout Catholic or Muslim to deny their religious beliefs due to a change of government. Those bought up in today’s society would be outraged if societies rules under which I grew up were re-imposed, would they too be called bigots for failing to tow the new political line?

  • https://mikestallard.virtualgallery.com/ Mike Stallard

    I am hurt by this unkindness.
    Roger Helmer is a really good, informed MEP who takes the trouble to write an outstanding blog which I have been following now for several years.
    OK so I am old and a lot of my ideas are out of date and non p.c. but I haven’t ever – ever – read anything that has shocked me. And I have read an awful lot that rings totally true. His latest piece on the RSPB is a masterpiece of logical demolition. Read it!

  • jamesbarn

    I think pollsters are perhaps seeing too much in past results and applying them to comfortable predictions for 2015. Two years ago UKIP was only seen as a small irrelevant political party inhabited by such a small number of the electorate that the media and other parties could insult and ridicule with impunity. However since the last GE when UKIP polled only 3% there has been and is a fast growing resentment about immigration and our creeping loss of sovereignty to Brussels. This resentment has been transformed after Farage took apart Clegg’s arguments in the TV debates. The general public now know beyond any doubt and regardless of Cameron’s ultra spin that a) he cannot control our borders and b) he cannot deny benefits to anyone from the EU or for that matter anywhere else. They also realise that this unprecedented and uncontrollable rise in immigration has overloaded our schools social housing and NHS not to mention the fierce competition in the jobs market. Cameron has claimed in the last couple of days to have cut immigration and it is this propensity he has to assume that the electorate are stupid that turns many against his party. The Internet now is a means whereby the truth is available as never before and the political elite are exposed. Yes there may well be some who return to their old allegiances in 2015 but there is nothing to even remotely suggest that the growth of UKIP support will slow. No one even UKIP themselves were prepared for their spectacular rise in popularity or even dreamed of the possibility they could win a national election. The disregard of UKIP’s influence in the 2015 GE is I fear based more on hope than reality. If the orchestrated smear campaign is failing (which it undoubtedly is) then one could ask what would be the catalyst to turn voters against UKIP and expect them to vote for the politics they are abandoning today en-mass?
    Interesting time ahead I think.

  • Denis_Cooper

    Which of these is old, white, male and so misogynistic that he once said that women should not be admitted to the Union at his university, but has still been adopted as a parliamentary candidate for a Nottinghamshire constituency?

    a) Roger Helmer; or

    b) Kenneth Clarke.

  • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

    You just want to watch our country burn, silly little girl.

  • Kevin T

    Yeah, because people in Newark in Nottinghamshire are likely to share the opinions and prejudices of the London media set.

  • DidierDogba

    Helmer is Simply the wrong candidate for Newark. He is damaged goods, we can accuse the

    • warmingmyth

      UKIP would be a lot better off without it’s homophillic faction which has caused enough trouble already and will I am sure lead in the end to the death of UKIP unless they are dealt with.

      • Jikli

        UKIP is a victim of its own success. There is now an open battle between Old UKIP and New UKIP.

        ‘Old UKIP’ are the regressive old duffers like Helmer, Ex-Tory Colonel Blimp types, homophobic, closet racists. The ‘Geoffry Blooms’ of the world. They are being sacked (usally for social media transgressions) or simply forced out for unacceptable views

        New UKIP are young, 20s and 30s, Professionals, social conservatives, Eurosceptics with political skills

        In the Labour party this process took 2 decades to make them electable…. in UKIP it is happening in a period of months.

        Old UKIP still hold the balance of power and Helmer’s appointment as PPC over Younger, better, fresher PPC candidates proves that.

        You are right, to be electable ‘New UKIP’ must prevail, unfortunately Farage has failed to see the urgency of this.

        • Wessex Man

          Yes you are a tory prending to be an angry UKip member how pathetic of you.

        • Ian B

          New UKIP are young, 20s and 30s, Professionals, social conservatives, Eurosceptics with political skills

          Oh good, another party full of smarmy clones. That’s just what the country needs.

      • Wessex Man

        oh really, go goggle Tory gaffes from Councillors in the last two years you silly person you.

        • warmingmyth

          Obviously I am not privy to your present level of consciousness, but it may help you if I point out that I used the word homophilic and not homophobic. Thus my criticism was of those who were criticising Helmer and were claiming to be UKIP members or supporters. ( of course whether they actually are members and not just trolls is unknown)

    • athelwulf

      As Isabel pointed out, the UKIP constituency association in Newark selected Helmer, not Farage

      • Jikli

        Sorry that’s simply not true!

        Helmer was imposed by UKIP HQ and Newark UKIP meekly rubber stamped the decision; the beans have already been spilled on Twitter; and NewarkUKIP Twitter sabotage last night demonstrated the level of anger there is about Helmers parachuting in.

        Breitbart News twitter feed tells the true story: Helmer wasn’t wanted (for obvious reasons) by grass roots Kippers, a local candidate was preferred; UKIP HQ said No.
        National party front runners were Suzanne Evans and Amjad Bashir ; the younger element wanting Lizzy Vaid. this was also vetoed, (as far as I know Vaid is still smarting from her character assassination in The Sun, and isn’t interested)

        Already Helmer has been a PR disaster, being held up (probably with some justification) by he media as an elderly homophobe and rape apologist (just like we warned he would), and he is yet to put his foot in his mouth during canvasing

        It was right for Farage not to stand, but it was also a chance for a fresh young PPC to break with the Media image of a party of, Racist elderly white males…. and UKIP HQ screwed that up.

        We wont win Newark now, I am angry beyond words

        • warmingmyth

          “Already Helmer has been a PR disaster,”
          But surely if the last 2 months has taught us anything it is that all media attacks against UKIP are counter productive and merely increase the UKIP poll ratings.
          The other thing is that the Conservatives had 54% of the votes in the last election in Newark. It is a conservative constituency. In Helmer you have classically conservative candidate with UKIP policies and who is well known in the East Midlands. The last ( now disgraced) MP ( Mercer) was a retired Colonel. — It is, whether you like it or not that, type of constituency. Frankly putting Helmer in is a no-brainer.

          • Jikli

            There are plenty of ‘clean’ candidates that would satisfy the Tory demographic in Newark.
            To put up Helmer with his back catalogue of frankly crackpot views on homosexuality and rape was just asking for a MSM feeding frenzy; that UKIP could do without.
            Helmer might sell well to other elderly Tory types, but to anyone under 50 those views are political poison, and you don’t have to be a raging lefty PC type to think that.

            • Sapporo

              I think you are over-egging it. I want to be represented by someone who wants the best for me, my family, my children, my environment, my Country and shares my views on education, immigration, the economy, foreign policy, etc. I do not care what their views are on homosexuality or any other sexual preference. I think you will find I am in the majority. I refer substance over image. Oh, and I am under 50!

            • warmingmyth

              I think you have been “outed” over on the DT blogs:
              http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-concern-trolling.htm

              • Denis_Cooper

                I wouldn’t be surprised if Jikli came out with “I want to leave the EU as much as the next man, but …”, which is pretty much a standard formula for pro-EU “concern trolls”.

            • Your Correspondent

              It’s the people over 50 who are most likely to vote, not the achingly trendy and in touch twenty-somethings for whom voting is just too much physical effort. Helmer is articulate and courteous as well as an experienced politician. Remember what happened when the Tories put up Hyacinth Bucket in Eastleigh…

    • Sapporo

      As Helmer made all these comments when he was a Tory MEP, I assume UKIP believe it will expose the smear campaign as hypocritical.

      • Jikli

        It doesn’t matter when he made them, he still did, and that fact should have prevented him being selected for Newark.

        It was obvious to all that these comments would become the primary issue of the By-Election, not UKIP policies!

        • the viceroy’s gin

          …if they do, then the Cameroons might as well kiss that seat goodbye. Your feared strategy doesn’t appear to be working these days.

        • Wessex Man

          I have a sneaky little feeling that you are a tory ,trying to pretend to be an angry Ukip member.

    • Wessex Man

      He’s nothing of the sort, normally he’s a gentleman but if provoked will tear his opponents to pieces verbally. Admit it you are frightened of him!

    • Wessex Man

      There’s nothing damaged about Roger Helmer, you are such an amateur compared to your central office and look how well they are doing!

      • you_kid

        He is toast lad. Take my word for it.

  • George_Arseborne

    Isabel my problem with Journalist of your type is you always do not learn from history. Because you lack this learning backbone , that is why your write up makes me sick.
    What happened when Ed Milliband won the Labour Party leadership? It was all celebration in CCHQ that the Tories will sweep their way back to Number 10. So what went wrong? Now you are on it on UKIP.
    Remember the negative publicity on UKIP a week ago? Yet it never damaged them and their rating sky rocketed.
    You make this profession look gloomy. Think before you write.

    • Wessex Man

      I reckon that she’s Red Penny’s sister.

  • foxoles

    ‘If the public don’t want EU expansion, “we do it anyway” Herman Van Rompuy said in an interview with De Standaard this week.’

    Any comment on the actual issues at stake, Ms Hardman?

    Thought not.

  • Mc Kenzie

    It’s interesting reading the comments here and on other Coffee House stories – increasingly there is a huge disconnect between the Speccie writers and their online readers (or at least those who leave comments) – the journos are Cameroons and the readers are UKIP and they usually disagree violently with what is written – suggests that there is a gap in the market for a more UKIP friendly publication / web site

    • Kaine

      The Kippers come here because they want to be wound up.

      • Wessex Man

        don’t be silly we come here to have a laugh at you, tele and Hooky!

    • the viceroy’s gin

      Well, it is indicative of a dying publication, which the Speccie surely is. It’s being heaped upon, on the way out, by those who might once have been their lifegivers, but no more.

  • Raddiy

    Roger Helmer will be the continuation of the gift that never stops giving.

    The one certainty if the Farage v Clegg debate is anything to go by , will be that the analysis of any hack will be so out of kilter with wider opinion to be nothing more the vacuous tittle tattle, not worthy of being taken seriously. If my memory serves me correctly, didn’t Isabel Hardman say Nigel Farage was too frit to taken on Clegg. Well that prediction went well.

    As we speak we all know CCHQ will be digging out all the smears, just like they have done over recent weeks, where they will be exposed for what they are, and their discreditable tactics resulted in UKIP rocketing in the polls. It never fails to amaze me how easy it is for UKIP to draw the Conservatives into these traps, time after time, yet they never, ever learn.

    Roger Helmer is old enough and ugly enough to not be fazed by all the crap that might come his way, and I have no doubt and he was chosen by those on the ground in the East MIdlands, because he is hugely respected there.

    • warmingmyth

      “hugely respected there.” — I am sure that is true. He is very sound, knowledgeable, has much experience of business and is an excellent speaker. He may not be quite as good as Farage on the sound bites but is probably better on short dissertations.

  • Denis_Cooper

    Kenneth Clarke is a white male born in July 1940. Therefore he will soon be 74.

    He is an MP and a minister without portfolio who attends cabinet meetings.

    Last September the Tory executive committee in the Nottinghamshire constituency of Rushcliffe, adjacent to Newark, once again unquestioningly adopted Clarke as the Tory candidate for the next general election.

    If successfully elected, Clarke will heading for the ripe old age of 80 by the end of the next Parliament.

    Now, what were you saying about Roger Helmer?

    • the viceroy’s gin

      …that he’s a waaaaaaaaaycist!

      • Wessex Man

        It was standing up for Clarke that Got Roger Helmer in trouble in the first place but I forgive him.

    • auntyeleet

      the must be a funny lot in Rushcliffe to want Clarke for another 5years,nothing to do with his age, just that he`s been wrong for so long. Says everything about Cameron`s judgement that he still sits in the cabinet.

  • Lady Magdalene

    “is a gift for CCHQ, which now needs a teaspoon rather than a spade to dig out awkward comments the MEP has made.”
    Do you REALLY think Lynton and Shapps still haven’t learned that the smears don’t work?

    • Jikli

      A smear is something made up or embellished to denigrate an individual’s good character
      No one can deny that Helmer holds those views, which he has written himself on his blogs…. which are political poison to most (non elderly) voters!
      I mean what woman floating voter (from any of Lab/Con/Lib), no matter how euro sceptic she is…. is going to vote for an old duffer of 70 who makes excuses of rapists???

  • Jikli

    I’m at a loss as to why Helmer was selected, its as if UKIP wants to throw this By-election. An elderly, white male ex-Tory with documented Homophobic views
    One of UKIPs young females Suzanne Evans or Lizzy Vaid could well have won that seat, Helmer will come 3rd at best
    Helmer is a disaster, a strategic error that will probably stop UKIPs progress dead in its tracks

    • Denis_Cooper

      Do you know whether Lizzy Vaid even wants to stand as a candidate?

  • Paul Vickers

    He is, of course, a former Conservative – so any ‘look what he’s like’ messages will spectacularly back-fire.

    You need a leader, not a manager.
    You need a principled Conservative, not ‘Blair-lite’
    Your need a scientist, not an Oxford PPE degree
    You do NOT need an ex-Spad
    You need someone from a modest background, who has known hardship
    You need a person with a proven record OUTSIDE politics
    You need someone who can expose the ‘group-think’ of Whitehall, the BBC and most of Westminster
    You need a commitment to reduce spending by HMG from ~40% of GDP to ~25% of GDP – meaning a much higher pension age and privatisation of the NHS, roads, housing and Soc Sec: what the State controls, the State rations (and runs inefficiently). Competition is the key (not merely privatisation) and full-on, red-blooded competition is what must be achieved, even though it’s not a pretty sight.
    Welfare should exist (transiently) to help those who need retraining and/or relocating.
    You need a leader who is well past 60 – youth goes with inexperience, incompetence and inefficiency – despise it and reject it.
    You need a committed BOO-er
    You need someone with obvious fire and passion for their beliefs – AND the ability to win over the electorate to that point of view:
    [It’s an utter myth that elections are ‘won in the centre ground’. They’re won by a party leader moving the *perceived* centre-ground to whatever their position may be: THEY define IT – and not vice-versa.]
    You do NOT need a woman or an ethnic minority leader, just because they are that – you need talent.

    The Conservative leadership elections have failed to produce what was required in 1990, 1997, 2001 and 2005 – indeed, the Conservative party has been a total mess since a tiny minority of disgruntled has-beens and never-wozzers knifed Mrs Thatcher in the back – largely because she was NOT ‘one of them’.

    Unless and until the Conservative Party recognises that the sort of leaders who were found acceptable 50 years ago are no longer so, and that the acceptance of ‘managed decline’ has been the most monumental mistake by The Establishment since WW2 – along with a Big State/Welfare State mentality – then it’ll fail to win many of the electorate outside the ‘blue donkey’ vote.

    Above all, you need someone who recognises that Darwinism might not be pretty to watch but it is the most efficient known way of securing evolution (ie progress and success) and so socialism is as doomed to failure as Canute was.
    Embrace Darwinism, remove regulation, devolve power akin to the Welsh and Scottish Assemblies to each Local Authority – and recognise that ‘post-code lottery’ is the best possible engine with which to drive progress – better known as ‘local freedom of choice’

    • athelwulf

      The London media appear to be hung up on young good-looking types, and celebs. In other cultures – China, for instance – older grey-haired leaders are respected as they are often considered to be wiser

  • Jabez Foodbotham

    The author seems to be cannily covering all bases

    “His selection as the party’s candidate for the Newark by-election is a gift for CCHQ”

    “if Ukip go on to do very well in Newark anyway with such a sitting duck as a candidate, that will send the Conservative party into a spectacular meltdown”.

    • Wessex Man

      although I don’t totally agree with you you’ve still got an up tick from me.

  • Chingford Man

    There is an argument against Helmer: namely that in UKIP’s most important by-election, you might want what Sinn Fein would call a lily-white candidate, someone who embodies the new brand of politics that the party represents. On this thinking, Helmer is a Victor Meldrew or a semi-trained Godfrey Bloom, someone out of the contest before it ever begins.

    However, a counter-argument is that Helmer could be head and shoulders above any of the other candidates. The Tory candidate has to be pretty good not to look like a callow kid. Helmer’s performance on Question Time with a hostile Brighton audience was superb. He spoke authoritatively on every subject, especially energy, and was cowed by no one. If the Speccie kids and the rest of the media want to under-estimate him they can. It’s what they’ve done all along with UKIP anyway.

    I’m happy for the Tories to be lulled into complacency. If they and the MSM to trash him it will be obvious that they are really trashing the multitudes who think like Helmer. It’s going to be hard for UKIP to win but it will soon be obvious if Helmer’s campaign is catching fire. The one certainty is that UKIP will not be disgraced in Newark.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      I guess there is a longer term strategic point worth considering, as
      well. If this guy does manage to take this seat, he’s likely to hold
      it in 2015. He’s not a lightweight, unlike any of the various bubble
      muppets the Speccie kids seem to fall all over themselves over,
      who would be swept away by the next gust of wind in 2015.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        This is the first action of the general election. It’s better to have experience than bubble acceptance, I’d guess. The Newark local seems to agree.

      • Gareth

        I was pondering this question the other day when probing Farage’s decision not to stand in Newark. While I think UKIP are unlikely to overturn such a sizeable majority, there’s also a danger that if they do win, it would be on the back of an anti-politics vote and on the coattails of a strong performance in the Euro elections.

        The risk is that, little over a year later, these advantages may have ebbed away, making it difficult to hold the seat (particularly as the incumbent would have had little time to establish themselves). The damage to the perception of forward momentum – currently UKIP’s strongest weapon – would be profound.

    • Kaine

      Victor Meldrew voted Labour.

      • Raddiy

        Even though he couldn’t believe it!! :-)

  • Streben80

    Roger may well have had some bumps in the road in the past, that is true, but it is worth considering that the media has already gone for him about these things, there is no big new story to tell, in a sense the story has already peaked.
    He is also no fool and his performance at the Brighton Question Time suggests that he is tough enough to cope with everything that will certainly be thrown at him.
    He may not immediately strike many as the obvious choice but UKIP hasnt got where it has by following conventional thinking.
    I am on the fence, it could go either way but given the effect the negative media coverage has had on UKIP poll ratings, attacks on Roger may only drive his vote up.

    • ArchiePonsonby

      Well said! I’ve heard him speak against crypto-Trot Beeboids and he does very well indeed!

  • andagain

    His selection as the party’s candidate for the Newark by-election is a gift for CCHQ

    How vicious can they be about a man who was a Conservative politician until two years ago?

  • Smithersjones2013

    Poor Dizzy Izzy seems to be having one of those childhood panty wetting fits of excitement.

    Of course CCHQ will be able to dig up the dirt on Helmer. He was, after all, only an MEP for the Conservative Party for 12 years. Has it occurred to the increasingly flatulent headed Ms Hardman that smearing Helmer actually rebounds on a Conservative Party?

    Frankly one wonders these days why Nelson pays Hardman for this risible drivel.

    • MaxSceptic

      I once had a bumper sticker produced and distributed by Helmer (when he was a Tory MEP) that read:

      “Love Europe – Hate the EU”

      I really wish he’d produce some more.

      • Wessex Man

        Go to the UKip site shop.

  • saffrin

    Politically incorrect candidates is like a breath of fresh air.
    marvelous.

    • Smithersjones2013

      Especially ones who represented the Tory party for 12 years and joined UKIP (instead of retiring as originally planned) because CCHQ and the Cameroons couldn’t help themselves but interfere in the selection of Helmer’s replacement and as a result managed to lose the seat with Helmer’s defection.

      The whole debacle was yet another example of the inadequacy combined complacent arrogance that has plagued the Cameron political device (to call it a machine suggests it works when actually it doesn’t) pretty much since 2006.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        Be fair. The Cameroon machine, as of last September, had lost fully half of the total party membership. That’s quite a record of effectiveness, we must acknowledge.

        • Wessex Man

          yes I must say, it’s very impressive, fingers crossed let’s see what Call me Dave can manage before May 2015!

      • Radford_NG

        And the man they `black-balled` (after socialists complained he had once published a book with a gollywog on the cover) is now back on the election party list;but as he is in third place he is not likely to get a seat.The top two places in the East Midlands go to Cameronite Loyalists.

  • starfish

    Lets see.

    MSM and liblabcon sh1tstorm and scrutiny of any comment posted anytime anywhere followed by quotation out of context and villification.

    Result-UKIP have highest ever poll ratings

    GIven Mr Helmer’s relationship with the MSM maybe UKIP fancy seeing how high their vote share can go given the MSM and liblabcon’s propensity for reinforcing failure

    • the viceroy’s gin

      That’s really the basic point here. The socialist LibLabCon clones and their MSM lickspittles have gone batsheet crazy over UKIP, reaching back behind themselves and gathering their own doodoo and flinging it like zoo chimps, hither and yon, enraged over their much hated waaaaaaaaaycist UKIP enemies.

      And then, UKIP’s numbers go up as a result. Inevitably. There is no denying the trend. These bubble nutters’ insane rage is sending UKIP up the charts.

      So yeah, send in the UKIP guy that the bubble nutters most despise. Pick the guy based upon the nutters’ exact doodoo flinging template, and let the chimps have at it. Fire away, kiddies.

      Then watch the charts and see what happens, and place your bets. I know where mine will go.

  • Hexhamgeezer

    UKIP are in the middle of a sustained campaign from BBCLiblabcon as the cabal belatedly realise that all the bigots fruitcakes and loonies are starting to make their disagreeable voices heard (sarc – and no, I’m not complaining)

    Roger Helmer is more than a match for the Bubble and is a master at calmly showing them for the self-serving liars that they are. He is therefore an excellent choice as candidate as a younger and more inexperienced choice would inevitably risk being blown off course by the sort of haranguing cretins like Nick Robinson and Michael Crick are dishing up.

    So what if he’s said some non Bubble compliant things – that’s the whole point. What is it about ‘you just don’t get it’ don’t you get?

    • athelwulf

      That’s a bit harsh on Crick and Robinson. Robinson is a PPE graduate from University College, Oxford. Crick gained a First in PPE while at New College Oxford. He also chaired the Democratic Labour Club at Oxford and the Fabian Society and was President of the Oxford Union in 1979-80.

      • Rhoda Klapp8

        PPE? DMMFL!

        • ArchiePonsonby

          Seems to me that h g has labelled them perfectly!

      • ArchiePonsonby

        I think that h g described them perfectly!

      • Jabez Foodbotham

        “a bit harsh”

        It sounds like lese majeste to me.

      • athelwulf

        Crick and Robinson are from the same stable as Nick Boles, Dave Cameron, Ed Davey, Alan Duncan, Tony Hall (BBC), Chris Huhne. Jeremy Hunt, Peter Mandelson, Ed Miliband, and John Peston – all Oxford PPEs, a sort of Westminster freemasonry, aka ‘the bubble’.

      • MirthaTidville

        so ok they have proved they can pass exams, but otherwise they are still haranguing cretins

      • Andy

        Which tells you all you need to know.

      • Raddiy

        I assume that was meant to be ironic?

        Robinson is so full of himself and simply a useful idiot for the Conservative Party, but outside of the incestuous world of the bubble, he would make Hermann Rumpie Pumpy as the odds on favourite for the Mr Charisma of the Universe title

        Crick is just an idiot, not even useful, who prefers to play silly bu**ers, rather than expose his paedophile supporting friends in the Labour Party. Guilt by association I would suggest, no smoke without fire, nudge, nudge, wink, wink Micky Crick me old mate!!

      • Hexhamgeezer

        Can’t you get compensation for being miss-sold a PPE?

      • Wessex Man

        He’s going to be very neutral then isn’t he? , oh no of course he isn’t!

  • Martin Jennerson

    Roger Helmer is like a character out of Viz – same as Godfrey Bloom. Terrible choice of candidate, reinforces the UKIP stereotype.

    • Smithersjones2013

      That’s why he was a Tory MEP for 12 years then was it?

    • Wessex Man

      Being so jealous will get you nowhere, which is probably where you’ll end up in May 2015.

  • A_Libertarian_Rebel

    This article is a prime example of the metropolitan politico-media insiders’ inability to comprehend that a candidate’s not cleaving to their own stultifying politically-correct cultural shibboleths is unlikely to resonate much with a non-metropolitan electorate more concerned about living costs and energy prices, and the effect of uncontrolled mass immigration on their local schools, hospitals and services.

    • ArchiePonsonby

      Well said! Miss Hardperson singularly qualifies for that label.

  • Chingford Man

    “Roger Helmer, who, as Seb says, is not known for his mollifying centre-ground views.”

    Since when has any UKIP candidate EVER expounded or prospered by what Isabel would regard as “centre-ground views”?

    There is an argument against Helmer, but Cooper1992 has expressed it, not Isabel who is supposed the one paid for the wisdom of her insights.

    All I’ll say now is that a poor by-election candidate can be disastrous but a good one won’t necessarily squeeze victory in a close contest.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      It’s hard to suss out of the data, but I suspect UKIP thrives on a larger voter turnout. Fresh voters aren’t coming out to vote status quo, in other words. The largest turnout isn’t going to come in a by-election, and thus these aren’t UKIP’s prime stomping grounds, so it may be worth more to them as a public relations exercise than the individual seat itself. Slotting in the older guy may make more sense for them, in that sort of environment.

      • you_kid

        Yes, send the only other UKIP politician that someone could name, make him stand and make him lose. Brilliant plans you nat’s socialists have, lad. Just beautiful.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          Please, can another of you socialist nutters translate this nutter’s gibberish?

          • you_kid

            We love the concept of the parachute. It’s brilliant how democratic it all is. English democrackery tailored to suit.

            • the viceroy’s gin

              This nutter’s gibberish is getting even more weird, if that’s possible.

              • Wessex Man

                talking parachutes, let’s not forget Straw Dog’s son and Tone boy are being lined up to stand for Labour.

  • WatTylersGhost

    Shame on you Ms Hardman,
    It seems that you are encouraging the Tories to fight Mr Helmer simply by digging dirt on him rather than presenting better policies. If this is the type of politics that you and your Tory friends wish to promote, then I hope that you end up hanging from your own petard.

    • you_kid

      Who is this Helmer chap WTG?
      Has he ever worked other than middle managed. What are his achievements in these roles – he attended meetings and conferences.
      Has he ever produced work – an energy policy. Then a revised energy policy. Then a revised revised energy policy. Does this cracker jack understand how long it takes to commission anything here in Britain. Helmer is not exactly Continuity UKIP, is he?

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …and the most important question… does he run a flock of sockpuppets all over the innerwebs, lad?

        • you_kid

          Continuity UKIP are silenced as soon as you open your gob. That’s what I like about them. National socialists like you might vote for them, but you have no place there.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            Is there anybody who can make sense of this nutter’s gibberish?

          • Wessex Man

            Unlike the Lab/Tory/Lib/dum Westminster Village and you and the delightful author of this thread Roger Helmer has indeed worked all his life after leaving Umniversity. Unlike the present mob of MPs so badly mismanging this country, he has experience of working around the Globe. He was going to step down as an MEP for the Tories in 2009, unfortunately, couldn’t as the Tory they were going to replace him with created created the storm about “Golliwogs”, I’m sure many people here remember that little episode. In the end he could stand Tory hypocrisy no more and joined UKip.

            He was appointed an Adam Smith Scholer in 2005 and appointed Chairman of the Freedom Association in 2007. He has written several books that have been well received.

            I hope that you accomplish at least a quarter of what he has achieved by the time you get to his age but won’t hold my breath!

            • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

              Do you use Breitbart? It’s the pro-UKIP respectable publication you asked for, Andrew Breitbart was a great man and patriot. Delinpole is the editor.

              http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London

          • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist
            • you_kid

              I thought Paul Weston was banned from posting here.

              • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                You do realise my avatar is UKIP? And you realise Paul Weston isn’t anything to do with UKIP?

                Not too bright are you.

                Paul Weston is also a very intelligent passionate politician.

                • you_kid

                  Do you realise my avatar is a windmill in UKIP colours.
                  That makes me what? Tim Congdon? William ‘I own no land with windmills on them’ Earl Dartmouth?
                  PW is a racist fruitcake and yes, he routinely attempts to post here, lad.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  No, in the same way I’m not a pound sign, but you surely have the intelligence to deduce my political affiliation….. or perhaps you don’t.

                  What exactly has Paul done to offend you?

                  Why do you hate our country so much?

                • you_kid

                  The thing is, lad – and this is the bitter truth. You *hate* our country much more than I ever could.

                  That is why it is you who comes into a public forum and state what you state. That is why you call yourself a ‘racist’ in public. You are the epitome of what is wrong with this country, lad.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  You really do hate your country, it’s so sad people like you want to watch it burn with mass immigration, etc. Why are you so against our democracy? Why don’t you want the British people to have control over their laws?

                  If loving my country and people makes me a racist I’m proud to be a racist.

                • you_kid

                  Our system is not democratic, lad. Again you prove your ignorance. Not only is it you who hates (it’s even in your name), you now construct juvenile strawmen to defend your point.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  I know it’s undemocratic, that’s my point, you are against reinstating British democracy which now resides in Brussels

                  You hate England, you argue against its people daily on here, you hate us and our country.

                • you_kid

                  Nonsense – it is YOU who hates England. You display that hate in your name and you argue against this country every day. Now you have even declared yourself that you are a racist.

                  You do not appear to understand how game changing that comment was, lad.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  Oh please, I have English blood coursing through my veins.

                  I argue for my country, I argue for democracy, I love my country and my people, you argue against these things.

                  I stand by it, if my devotion to my country’s democratic freedom makes me a racist I will wear the badge happily. You will never understand that.

                • EU thrall

                  You kid stands against his people and therefore against his country. He thinks you are a racist for your want of democracy, what a devastatingly revealing comment from kid.

                • you_kid

                  is this strawman central? off you trot, troll boy with a new identity.

                • you_kid

                  … nor will anyone else subscribing to the principles of Aristotelian deductive reasoning.

      • Raddiy

        If your permanent presence on here is anything to go by, he wouldn’t need to have worked much to outperform you in the world of work.!!

        You really are a fruitloop we have a perfectly serviceable set of coal fired generators that have been shut down not because they are at the end of their life, but because the Lib/Lab/CON voted in the Climate Change Act in 2008, along with the EU basket case carbon reduction project.

        We could return to energy security practically overnight if we so choose, by doing what UKIP would do, and that is re-open them, and repeal the Climate Change Act, ending all the Green lunacy just like Australia has done recently.

        • you_kid

          That plant is not perfectly serviceable – it is outdated. A 32% efficiency rating of that plant proves it is outdated. Upgrading that technology to plant hat delivers 48%+ efficiencies would be a law similar to those which make it illegal to replace single glazing with more inferior single glazing.
          All technology moves on – mostly it moves on precisely due to regulations, not because there was an end of life scenario. See catalytic converters in cars, emissions guidelines for public transport, clean air legislation and so on. All these regulations have increased the quality of our lives, not reduced it.
          Why you believed energy generation was somehow different is only for you to explain.

          • Raddiy

            Are you for real Telly Tubbie Boy!!

            The maximum efficiency of the wind turbines you seem to be a zealot for is 59% according to Betz Law. Add in the mechanical losses through the blades, gearbox and generator and the efficiency drops to 44%.

            The capacity factor or the time they actually generate anything across the world is between 15- 50%. Even if we are generous and allow you the maximum 50%, that reduces your turbine efficiency to 50% of the Betz Law potential of 44%, or some 22% efficiency as a generating unit.

            Of course most British turbines are more likely to be at the 15% end of the spectrum, making the efficiency some 6%.

            That ‘outdated’ coal fired power station provides its 32% efficiency, 100% of the time.

            I don’t have to explain anything when confronted with the wiffling and waffling brigade. I am more concerned with people having energy security at an economic cost using the natural resources we have available, and for our heavy energy using industry to continue to provide future employment for our people.

            I am certainly not interested in justifying anything to the Green lunatics, who would have us all living a hand to mouth pre industrial bucolic existence if they had they way, and even then they would probably try to ban cows for f*rting, and force us to live on pulses.

            • the viceroy’s gin

              Excellent post.

              A very simple and easy to follow bit of process engineering narrative, but I can assure you based upon previous experience that the socialist envirowhacko to whom it’s addressed will be incapable of understanding it, under any of its many sockpuppets. It’s not teletubby, by the way.

              • Raddiy

                With his windmill as his avatar, I was visualising him as one of the Teletubbies. He rhetoric seems to fit most of the Teletubby monikers. Tinky Winky, Dipsy, Laa Laa and Po

            • you_kid

              You compare wind turbine efficiency which is in essence a nameplate to actual output ratio with the efficiency of a coal fired power plant where expensive foreign fossil resource is blasted thru’ a chimney and wasted? You are hilarious mate – CBeebies could not possibly cover it.

    • John Dalton

      Totally agree. This is deeply childish tribalism rather than incisive journalism focussing on the issues.

      • telemachus

        All means should be used in stopping the electoral success of this racist political cabal
        Further we should turn off the oxygen of publicity for all racist groups particularly the EDL, the BNP and UKIP who have more in common than anything in common with the proper political parties

        • Alexsandr

          better to turn the oxygen off for a paedophile, economically illiterate labour party led by a plastocene cartoon character, a party responsible for the uncontgrolled immigration and all the disbebefits we see today.

          • telemachus

            No need for this oxygen
            Labour is ingrained in the DNA of the poor the disadvantaged and the BME
            And all with a visceral hatred of contol by a Home counties elite

            • saffrin

              Living in a dream world again.
              You Labourite idiots have done nothing for the poor other than dump them on benefits.
              You people really are the pits.

              • MirthaTidville

                true, they really are the nasty party

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Fascist Labour is the party of dishonesty and hatred for opposing views.

                • Wessex Man

                  never forget Gillian Duffy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            • Andy

              You forgot to mention that paedophilia and child abuse is in the Labour DNA too.

              • saffrin

                Not to mention taking it up the jacksey.

                • Andy

                  No need to mention Mandleson this early.

                • saffrin

                  And Harriet. Equality; wimin’s rights and all that.

                • Andy

                  Now you have just ruined my day.

        • right_writes

          Have you got a dictionary sir? The definition of the word “racist”, is not what you think!

          Now the definition of a fascist, is someone who would deny people the chance of standing or voting for the candidate that they feel represents their views, fascists think that they have a right to govern.

          As an example, fascists think that it is OK to discriminate against people that smoke cigarettes, and when those people try to help themselves by taking to vaping, the same fascists attempt to ban that.

          Remember that the seats currently held by the LibLabCON are not theirs, those seats are in the hands of the ordinary public, who will, I am sure exercise their prejudices when they vote.

          From Chambers dictionary.
          racism noun 1: hatred, rivalry or bad feeling between races. 2: belief in the inherent superiority of a particular race or races over others, usually with the implication of a right to be dominant. 3: discriminatory treatment based on such a belief. racist noun, adj.
          ETYMOLOGY: 16c.

          • Shorne

            Point 2 accurately describes the barely concealed content of many of the postings in the Spectator (and some of the ones in today’s Telegraph might not have got past Julius Streicher) so I rather think you’ve shot yourself in the foot here.

            • right_writes

              Well I think it more reflects your view that some people are born to govern, and how dare upstart ordinary folk (like UKIP) challenge their deluded legitimacy.

              • Shorne

                You are accusing me of elitism, something which adds a whole new meaning to the word ‘wrong’.

                • right_writes

                  Oh dear…

        • saffrin

          Labour are the only race hate party in the UK. Too stupid you are to understand the racial divides you have created with your own hate.

        • Swivel-eyed loon & proud of it

          “All means should be used in stopping the electoral success”

          Ignoring your name-calling, which is an insult to intelligent thought, do you really mean “all means”? Really? No means is to be ruled out to achieve your desired end? And “stopping the electoral success” of a party can only mean stopping people from voting for the party in free and fair elections. Like so many on the left – and within the EU bureaucracy – you don’t really have much faith in democracy, do you?

          • Inverted Meniscus

            He is from the Fascist Labour Party and so yes, he means what he is saying.

          • John Dalton

            Thank you for making my point far better than I did!

        • Raddiy

          Do you support paedophilia telemachus?

          I haven’t seen you once condemn Harriet Harman or Jack Dromey, or call for their resignation. Perhaps you might like to explain why you campaign for a party that still has senior members of the government that provided public funding for the Paedophilia Information Exchange, still active in the party.

          Failure to condemn and oppose is effectively guilt by association in your world if it refers to UKIP, according to your rantings on here. So presumably you apply this to your own party as well.

          In supporting Harman and Dromey and Straw and all those still hanging around, are you suggesting that the sexual abuse of children is a price worth paying for the socialist paradise of Labour.

          It puts a whole new meaning to a paraphased Mathew19:14

          Then some children were brought to Labour so that they might lay their hands on them and ‘ pray’ ; and the disciples rebuked them.

          But Labour said, “Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to us; for the kingdom of Labour belongs to such as these.”

          After laying their hands on them, they departed from there.

          • telemachus

            You know well that these reports were a smokescreen by Lynton Crosby to divert attention from Patrick Rock

        • John Dalton

          Excuse me but who made you the judge?! “All means should be used..” – do you have any idea what you sound like? If people want to vote for these parties – and they do – they should be free to do so without intimidation from nut jobs like you.

    • Hello

      “It seems that you are encouraging the Tories to fight Mr Helmer simply by digging dirt on him rather than presenting better policies”

      Gosh. A Ukipper lecturing political parties on the need for “better policies”. Watever next.

      • Keith D

        Maybe policies that fit the wishes of we British?. You know, the people you think are swivel eyed loons.

    • Alexsau91

      It’s a pretty dangerous suggestion anyway, as the past few weeks has shown how the campaign discredit UKIP by point out it’s many many shortcomings has so utterly failed.

    • SimonToo

      Are you under the illusion that the Conservative Party needs any encouragement to dig the dirt on an opponent?

  • Grey Wolf

    ”They’ve picked Roger Helmer, who, as Seb says, is not known for his mollifying centre-ground views.”
    Oh! Seb has said it! Is it? Then that must be true. How can someone as illustrious as Seb be wrong and completely idiotic.
    Who the eff cares about this mythical ‘centre-ground’? What is it anyway? Why is it sacred? Spare us the sanctimonious drivel, you light-weight Speccie ”intellectuals”.

  • Cooper1992

    As somebody who will vote UKIP on the 22nd, I think this is a mistake by UKIP.

    1. I know he is East Midlands MEP, but does he really have any stronger connection with Nottinghamshire?

    2. He has A LOT of baggage, when it comes to certain remarks.

    3. I know we shouldn’t be judging on looks, but he does look like the archetypal UKIP man. I have noticed that the Front National are now the most popular party amongst 18-24 yr olds in France. This is because of the plethora of young candidates in their ranks, reflecting the idea that the party and it’s manifesto are modern and the future. UKIP is seen as old and stuffy (unfortunately).

    I think they should have gone for a younger person, who has connections with Nottinghamshire and who is new, or at least fairly new, to politics.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      There’ll be plenty of those types in play in 2015, we’d think.

      If the locals chose this guy, you can’t really argue with them. It’s what they want.

      • you_kid

        Yes lad, and when the locals don’t like it as they never do when candidates are parachuted in, then you can’t argue with that either, unless of course you have a national socialist message to deliver, like you. If I recall correctly that other chap parading a decent piece of moustachery was parachuted in from Austria, way back then.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          …do the rest of your sockpuppets agree with your today’s socialist nutter spewage, lad?

          • you_kid

            Yes, parachute in the moustachy chap, just like in 1930s Germany. That’s what we want to see.
            Then take note of the message that will be delivered, lad.

            • Wessex Man

              Did your Great Grandfather tell your nanny all about pre war Austria and Germany and she then tell you? how do you know that what he said was true? you may of had your dummy stuck in your ear!

            • the viceroy’s gin

              Nope, still impenetrable gibberish, lad.

    • saffrin

      If he didn’t have A LOT of baggage, when it comes to certain remarks there wouldn’t be any point in him standing.
      Why would UKIP forward just another LibLabCon clone?

    • br14

      They need someone who is reasonably capable in front of a camera and able to operate in parliament should he win – Helmer has that experience.

      But they have a massive majority to overturn. Whoever stood from UKIP was always going to have a huge challenge. This way they don’t lose too much should they fail.

      Winning the seat may be a huge (and in my opinion, unlikely) achievement, but there’s a downside. Whoever won from UKIP would be under intense scrutiny, with every Tweet ever posted subjected to the microscope of panicking Tories and Labour. It could end up being a disaster for UKIP with the wrong candidate.

      If they should win, and especially if following a UKIP victory on May 22nd, then Helmer is capable of dealing with the success and not looking like an idiot. As long as he avoids the tricky subjects at least.

      This is a calculated gamble by Helmer who I imagine is giving up his position as MEP.

    • Machina22

      Completely agree with you. I think they’ve made a mistake and hurt their chances of winning unfortunately – they really could’ve done with a Diane James-esque local person.

      • Raddiy

        People were saying the same thing about Diane James, saying she was too lightweight. It was towards the end of the campaign that she started to be acknowledged as a fine candidate.

        It is horses for courses. Roger is going to be attacked from all quarters of the opposition, but he stands for the core principles of UKIP. In my opinion he is the ideal candidate to deal with the crap that will be coming. We either win standing for what we are, and what we believe in, or we start following a LIb/Lab/Con path of identikit politics, afraid to say boo to a goose.

        UKIP Is the sum of its parts, and that includes Roger Helmer types and Diane James and Suzanne Evans types, we are not trying to create a Lib/Lab/Con clone with a different name, and if we did we would soon see our support drifting away.

    • Wessex Man

      I’ve given you a tick, even though the remark about looks and age are silly, Winston Churchill was no oil painting and no spring chicken when he bacame PM!

    • auntyeleet

      Haven`t we got enough whippersnappers with no experience of the real world running LibLabCon, Cameron, Clegg & Milliband, look at the mess they have made. Better a man who knows something other than Westminster.

  • telemachus

    A very dangerous hubristic post
    Helmer is an effective communicator and will shock us all

    • Chingford Man

      I’ve just broken the habit of a lifetime and given you a plus vote.

      • ArchiePonsonby

        Me too, astonishingly!

        • Andy

          You both need to be sent to a ‘re-education centre’.

          • Wessex Man

            tele will make sure that they do!

          • ArchiePonsonby

            You, on the other hand, probably need more!

            • Andy

              Oh TeleFascist would have me executed immediately. I’m an Anglican, a Monarchist and a Conservative, so I am quite beyond ‘re-education’.

              • ArchiePonsonby

                We have much in common, including Conservative, which is why I’m voting UKIP!

                • Andy

                  Well that’s you marked down for execution in TeleFascists little swastika book.

                • ArchiePonsonby

                  I realize that I’ll be in splendid company!

    • oldestel

      “Telemachus” is clearly an imposter
      Remember Invasion of the Bodysnatchers.

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