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Podcast: Ukip’s triumph, predictions for this week’s elections and the return of the cad

22 May 2014

9:02 AM

22 May 2014

9:02 AM

Has Ukip been a good thing for British politics? On this week’s View from 22 podcast, political commentators Peter Oborne and Matthew Parris debate the topic of this week’s Spectator cover feature. Has Nigel Farage reinvigorated democracy in this country? Can Ukip still be described as a ‘Tory sickness’, a ‘protest party’ or something entirely different? Can the rise of Farage be attributed to the other parties not discussing issues like immigration? And do Peter and Matthew both intend to vote Conservative today?

Fraser Nelson and James Forsyth also discuss what will happen in today’s local and European elections. Will Ukip’s momentum of the last few weeks push them into first place? What does it mean for Ed Miliband and David Cameron if Farage beats them? Will the Lib Dems be entirely wiped out of the European Parliament? And how was Ukip received on the campaign trail?

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Plus, Harry Cole and Camilla Swift debate the return of the cad. What defines a cad, and is being one a good or bad thing? Can women be cads and should we be celebrating their return?

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  • Michael Ray

    Heard Any Questions today.LibLabCon have had their arses kicked but they still don’t get it.

  • sfin

    I used to rate Parris as a columnist – but his talk of policy proposals that “shouldn’t be allowed” mark him out as the Mandelsonian, ‘post democratic’ creep that he is.

    • Kennybhoy

      “I used to rate Parris as a columnist…”

      Me too. Very sad…

      No’ that, generally speaking, Islamphophile Oborne is any better mind you…

  • timinsingapore

    You get the sense that Oborne doesn’t remember how appalling Britain was under Old Labour in the 1970s. UKIP’s right-of-centre populism, referred to by Parris, is disturbingly reminiscent of the petty-bourgeois animosity towards minorities and the political establishment of Germany in the 1930s. Despite Farage’s superficially genial caddishness.

  • Smithersjones2013

    I’m not listening to that bigot Parris!

  • hannathegreat

    I think Matthew misses the point. He patronisingly says: “Oh the little people don’t understand what is possible” etc. Ie business as usual. However, there are always times in history where things truly change – 1649 for example. I think we’re in one of those periods of enormous upheaval.

    The age of deference is so over. Social media is completely changing the game too as no one can control the message anymore. I honestly think that this is a lot bigger than Parris realises – his complete nightmare.

  • saffrin

    UKIP has exposed the double standard hypocrisy of a Houses of Parliament infested with self-interest liars and deniers.

  • you_kid

    We summerize the outcome today:

    22 UKIP member get elected and don’t turn up for work.
    48 others get elected and do.
    Fixed it for the fruitcake brigade.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      …and how many of your sockpuppet brigade are turning up today, lad?

      • you_kid

        Ahhh bless, wessex and four sockpuppet votes, and vice versa above. Classic! You old folk will not kid me – not the you_kid.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          …only four of you? Oh come on… break out the sockpuppet army, lad.

    • Wessex Man

      You show a kindergarden knowledge of Ukip attendence but then again why ruin yuor fragile grasp on reality!

    • Hexhamgeezer

      is We short for Westminster?

      • you_kid

        That’s a good one.
        Wouldn’t it be nice to just get on with life and perhaps give away 10 no. or so seats to the UKIP? – No, that will never happen. Odd that. Really really odd.

        Britain is the last nation in Europe without proper democratic elections and NO ONE cares. Really really odd.

        • global city

          I think that you’ve rather missed the point of UKIP!

  • alabenn

    If UKIP come anywhere near the top of the poll, let alone top it, it will be a triumph of general good sense of voters over the sheer nastiness of people in the media.
    This election is on the scale of things a pretty low level affair, it is not a life changing act, it has become a bump in the road for EU fanatics.
    Consider the hysterical lashings of Matthew Parris and others, the hate spewed out by various supposed intelligent commentators, and that was just by supposed sceptical reporters.
    All this at the behest of the established political masters, it shows that in reality there is no independent media, all the faux outrage about Leveson was just that, hot air to sell the next edition, the next few years will see newspapers rewarded for their subservience with tiny circulations, leaving them as little men in a room shouting at the world, listen to me, a bit like us commenters on blogs, not a good future Matthew eh.

    • Athelwulf

      Then again, with the Guardian at £1-60 a copy, who will buy it every day, except the BBC – in bulk? Surprisingly, though, in recent weeks it has had more gravitas and sense than either The Times or the Daily Telegraph

    • the viceroy’s gin

      Yes, they’re all in a death spiral, but they are proving to be quite useful idiots on the way down, as I’m certain Mr. Farage would be the first to say, if you got a few into him.

    • somewhereinthesouth

      Look they’ve all been to the same universities, done the same indoctrinated courses been at schools with the same liberal curriculum taught by establishment teachers,, and spent their lives being indoctrinated by the BBC that all things international are good. They regard themselves as superior and kKNOW they are right. Independent thought long since died the death in the establishment. If you are challenge their views you are “uninformed” `”dangerous” , “a fascist” “a little Englander” “selfish and uncaring” “racist” ” have victorian values” “islamophobic” , “in need of therapy or education” etc .They don’t bother to respond to the arguments – these are regarded as beneath contempt.

  • Hexhamgeezer

    There’s a lot of fruitcakes, loonies, nutjobs, closet racists, and bigots out already today.

    Looking good.

    • telemachus

      TELEMACHUS QUEUED AT SEVEN AM
      *
      THE EUROPEAN ELECTIONS DO NOT MATTER
      *
      TELEMACHUS VOTED UKIP AND URGES ALL TO DO LIKEWISE
      *
      THE RESULTS WILL GALVANISE THE REAL POLITICIANS TO RETURN A REASONABLE GOVERNMENT TO WESTMINSTER NEXT MAY

      • Ron Todd

        Either that or Labour will get in.

      • Kitty MLB

        I assume you obviously mean a Conservative majority government
        without the Lib Dems.
        Well obviously the EU elections are not as important as the general
        election when we chose a government to run the country. Boring
        stuff like library closers and bin collections.
        But the EU does matter and we need a voice there. UKIP are right and able to give their full attention to that until they replace Labour as
        the party for the working classes.

        • Shazza

          As previously discussed Kitty, the dream for 2015 is a majority Conservative government with UKIP the official opposition having replaced the traitorous Labour Party who so betrayed the classes they purported to represent.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            That may be the dream, but reality will be considerably different. Call Me Dave’s head will be mounted on a spike in 11.5 months time, or sooner, and the settlement will proceed from there.

            • Wessex Man

              you are so right, the curious sight of brothers and sisters in arms at our Open Meetings erases any class divide. What the people in power at the moment don’t seem to register is that eveyone is sick sorry and tired of decades of spin instaed of real government!

            • global city

              UKIP as kingmakers, regardless of whether Labour or Conservatives win most seats is the position to fight to get themselves in.

              This is eminently achievable.

              The conservative media should actually understand this.

          • Kitty MLB

            Yes Shazza one day. But how on earth can anyone suppose
            UKIP can replace Labour in just a year. People are being a little silly at the moment. Some even think Nigel Farage will
            be Prime Minister next year. And in reality how many people vote in these EU elections.

            • Shazza

              Actually I doubt that it would ever happen. It’s just wishful thinking on my part.
              I do believe that Cameron will win with a small majority next year and we will have to see what unfolds then.

              We are living in times of great global uncertainty and without sounding like a fearmonger or drama queen, believe that we are already in WWIII. We are rapidly losing our hard won freedoms to a sinister ideology that has previously been defeated by men of great courage and fortitude who refused to be subjugated. That is no longer the case.

              How Cameron plays this post 2015 is crucial .I am of the opinion that this will in all likelihood come to a head within the next 10 years or so and then we will see whether any of our leaders, Farage included has the wherewithal to deal with it.

              Farage has served his purpose very well. He has given the green light and courage to his fellow countrymen to be able to voice their concerns about immigration and their loss of their identity at last after a very long period of enforced silence.

              I do not believe he is in for the long run nor do I believe he has the cojones to tackle the real crisis, and crisis it is. I have a niggling feeling that Cameron may just have it. I hope so.

              • Kitty MLB

                I agree, I believe Cameron will just about win a small majority.
                We know that Coalitions do not work. And Miliband, to be kind
                I would say he’s just not suited to being Prime Minister, he is very uncomfortable in public and being leader has not changed
                that.
                Nigel Farage he just adores battling with the EU. I also cannot
                see him being that interested in the mundane everyday life of Westminster. He will find it stifling. But as you say its a wakeup
                call for the other parties.
                And you mention crisis after crisis. They say the measure of a person is how they handle a crisis. And Cameron although
                naïve and easily manipulated, they say is at his best, when
                his back is against the wall.

                • somewhereinthesouth

                  Lets hope Cameron scrapes in. If Labour get in you can kiss goodbye to any hopes of a referendum.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Well, you best not split the UKIP vote, then.

                • global city

                  His role in parliament would be to question and expose the forces of Europhilia….something not even genuine sceptic MP’s do. Imagine him making the same speeches from the green benches that he currently makes in the hemicycle?

              • global city

                UKIP as kingmakers.

                All they’d need is 30 MPs. The idiot Tory press should appreciate this, but they are so tribal they would rather have a party ran by ‘progressive liberals’ in power than a House made up of democratic believers in the UK.

                • Shazza

                  Agree.

              • Kennybhoy

                Thirded.

        • global city

          The truth is that we do not get to vote in those who mostly run our country now. That’s the problem.

          It is also why our political parties seem so similar, a they have to take stances on certain areas that have been decided by others elsewhere.

          The supposed obsession with ‘chasing the centre-ground’ is just another concoction to hide this reality from the electorate.

      • saffrin

        I’m sure the EU with an annual £22 Billion propaganda budget can make almost anything happen.
        I mean, they got the Irish to change direction and we’ve all seen the anti-UKIP smear campaign of late.
        It all has to be paid for, including the EU’s internet trolls.

        • Barbara Kennedy

          Well said…..How the bloated fat cats in Europe must be worried..Austin Mitchell revealed today on the BBC how the Labour Party were instructed by Brussels to launch attack on UKIP…..how very democratic !!

          • global city

            Now that he’s resigning he should be encouraged to spill the beans on the deceit that Westminster maintains about the project.

            • Barbara Kennedy

              Sorry it was Labour MP for Sheffield ..John Mann,not Mitchell who revealed that the European Parliament instructed Labour to attack UKIP….he went on to say it was a big mistake to ignore the advise as they are now paying the price!! Unbelievable admission…

              • global city

                Thanks for that. I saw Mann moaning but missed that piece of vital info.

                Your original suggestion that it was Mitchell rang true as he is a renowned Eurosceptic. His brains must now be piked clean!

                • Barbara Kennedy

                  It’s on youtube if you can be bothered…..
                  John Mann attacks UKIP.

      • Colonel Mustard

        So, you voted for a party that you have been accusing of being ‘racist’ at every possible opportunity this past several days?

        Interesting. Tells us everything we already knew about the integrity of the Labour party.

        • Kitty MLB

          I wouldn’t believe a word he says Colonel. I shall vote this evening. Quite logically. I am not one for emotionally charged
          bandwagon joining. But dare I say this is just the EU elections
          not the general election. Yes they matter but not as much as
          choosing a government to run your country.
          I know a lot of other people who will vote UKIP just for the EU
          elections as they deal with the EU very well and to be quite honest, do not have the everyday running of a country to deal with. Well not until they replace the Labour party.

      • Wessex Man

        yes we can only hope once the hate campaign from the Westminster Village dies away, people will realise that we are just like every other man and woman in the UK, don’t have horns sticking out of our heads, like what they see and vote for us in the millions next year, ensuring that there is indeed a very reasonable government for the first time in many years, thank you tele babe for your support.

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