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Nigel Farage’s failed fightback in Croydon

20 May 2014

7:11 PM

20 May 2014

7:11 PM

Ukip held a carnival in my hometown, and I found myself caught up in it. They’d enticed us to the Whitgift Centre with talk of a steel band, their large number of local BME candidates and a chance to see Nigel Farage.

After more accusations of racism, picking Croydon did make sense for the party. It is London’s most populous borough and the largest town in Europe. It can confidently describe itself as one of the ‘melting pots’ politicians love: 2011 Census data shows White British people make up less than 50 per cent of the population, with 18 different ethnic groups living in the borough.

Ukip’s local candidates include Nigerian immigrant Ancellam Nnoram (who hilariously changed his name by deed poll to ‘Ace’ just before the elections) and ex-boxing champion Winston McKenzie, who was born in Jamaica.

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It wasn’t clear, though, how the steel band would help Nigel Farage recover from his comments about Romanians, unless this West Indian music has a wider following in Romania than we’ve realised. Either way, the band, Endurance Steel, didn’t endure the event for very long at all – they hadn’t been told they were being booked for a Ukip rally – and most of the noise came from McKenzie and protesters thronging around the ‘carnival’.

McKenzie was surrounded by burly men in leathers as he lambasted through a microphone everything that was wrong with Britain and how Ukip would give a voice to the ‘everyday man and woman’. But it was hard to tell whether anyone else could hear, given the amount of noise from the crowd. A group of Eastern European protesters were waving signs reading ‘Nazi scum’ and producing colourful language. Members of the public shouted down the Ukip candidate. A few pockets of earnest student types talked among themselves about policy.

Around the edges, Ukip supporters, clearly picked for looking innocuous, approached onlookers. Elderly women with sweet smiles and kind-looking gentlemen doled out campaign literature and purple balloons.

But where was Nigel? After an hour of the political carnival, word got out that he wasn’t coming. He had ‘turned around’, having ‘feared for his safety’. Then McKenzie dismissed the town as a ‘dump’. Perhaps Croydon wasn’t the perfect location for a fightback after all.

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  • Bill_der_Berg

    It’s been reported that a UKIP council candidate has been stabbed in the face. When will these pro-EU fanatics learn that violence is not going to help their cause?

  • bella swang

    England has been politically petrified since the Thatcher era.”

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  • gcowks

    ‘Fightback’ suggests the need to regain lost ground, but there is no evidence of how public opinion has been affected by the interview in question. Your spin on the story says it all; you clearly believe that a negative MSM response represents a setback in itself, regardless of whether your attacks have any resonance, in the hope that your write-ups of these events will be self-fulfilling.

  • Lady Magdalene

    The “Romanians” protesting weren’t Romanian at all and had no links with Romania, as Breitbart (real journalists) exposed. They were just rabble-rousers.
    And Farage quite rightly stayed away. The event was going to be used by the Establishment and its nasty street-mob to abuse and intimidate UKIP supporters.
    What you fail to understand is that UKIP is out there talking to the people; whilst Cameron sits on the Breakfast sofa, talking platitudes, Miliband is invisible and Clegg is still smarting from the spanking Nigel gave him in the debates.
    The smear, slander and intimidation campaign doesn’t seen to have worked.
    Final survey has UKIP well in the lead on 32%.

    • telemachus

      abuse and intimidate UKIP supporters
      A laudable intent

      • Ridcully

        Spoken like a true fascist.

        • Jerome Leroy

          bahahahahaha u dont like it up you.

      • Cosmo

        Speaks volumes. Can you imagine the bleating and whining if a right-wing group disrupted one of your group-think gatherings. Perhaps it’s time to fight fire with fire.

    • Romanian

      I reheard the girl in red: she’s absolutely and definitely Romanian. Of course, fell free to believe what your “real journalists” say about identifying people from a country they are most probably unable to locate on the map.

  • bugshead

    It was a great party, we all had a few drinks and a great laugh – were you there ? Rock on UKIP !

  • Smithersjones2013

    Ukip’s local candidates include Nigerian immigrant Ancellam Nnoram (who
    hilariously changed his name by deed poll to ‘Ace’ just before the
    elections)

    Now it may seem ‘hilarious’ to a white Christian Croydon boy like Jonny but is it really so odd that someone from another culture might not see it as anything other than perfectly ordinary? Shouldn’t wannabe ‘christian’ community activists learn not to look down their noses at the foibles of other cultures? There is an unpleasant undertone in some of Jonny’s smug observations……….

  • Realismista

    Perhaps UKIP should organise an inclusive community street mime event next time. It would at least ensure that none of the UKIP candidates would come out with an idiotic statement….

  • chudsmania

    So bad are crap holes like Croydon and Tower Hamlets plus several others , you might as well fence them in and forget about them. So much for the success of the multiculturalism.

    • Tony Quintus

      No need, house prices in London are spiking so hard they will be gentrified soon enough.

  • you_kid

    “they hadn’t been told they were being booked for a Ukip rally”
    fabulous!

    • the viceroy’s gin

      …were any of your sockpuppets there, lad?

  • http://batman-news.com The Commentator

    Excellent piece, very balanced. Impossible to tell whether you support UKIP or not. Interestingly it seems that many of the local residents think Croydon is a dump, which is why they looted the place and then torched it in 2011.

    • Smithersjones2013

      I think the sneery down the nose quality of some of his comments suggests he’s a Guardianista type and you know what that means.

      PS He’s makes it very clear on his blog that he’s not a Tory, so being a UKIP supporter baring in mind the rest is probably an impossibility

  • Conway

    I noticed the signs saying they were unhappy about our attitudes. I hope they don’t expect us to change to accommodate them.

  • Conway

    “colourful language”? Is one allowed to say that these days?

  • HookesLaw

    As I understand it MacKenzie finished the day by calling Croydon a ‘dump’.
    When UKIP pursue a policy of exclusion they should not be surprised if the excluded protest.
    There is nothing rented about the mob, it is a creature entirely of ukips making.

    • southerner

      Dozens of postings from you on all these Ukip stories the last couple of days. Can’t wait to see how prolific you are on Friday morning.

      • HookesLaw

        I won’t be here – I dare say I might find an internet connection, but I’m on holiday.
        If UKIP do well it will be a sad day for Britain because it will be a sign that intolerance can do well and I do not want to see political debate put back 200 years or put on a level that has been common in Northern Ireland for generations.

        But when the Spectator has descended into a kipper’s love in where you keep each other frothing then why should you be surprised that I point out Farage’s lies. Why should you be surprised that when kippers come out with plainly bigoted starements someone points it out to you.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          So you’ll be running away, you cretin? You must be a Camerluvvie socialist.

          I must say, it’s going to be a wonderful sight, watching you Camerluvvies being completely rejected and smashed into a humiliating finish.

        • southerner

          I am not a kipper as I’ve pointed out many times before but I can’t share your view that this rag is a kipper love-in. They, like the rest of the media, are printing dozens of anti Kip stories. I have not seen such a concerted effort by the MSM in my life. Genuinely, for any impartial observer, it is absolutely extraordinary. It is clear the establishment is terrified.

          Even the un-conservatives have reached an agreement with the Guardian to leak stories to them as long as that left wing rag agrees not to disclose the source. The Guardian! That shows where the un-conservatives are now placed on the political spectrum whatever you might keep saying. Instead of blindly defending them all the time (I have never seen one word of criticism from you) try and fight for a conservative party again.

        • Lady Magdalene

          Coward.

        • Jerome Leroy

          If UKIP do well it will be a sad day for Britain because it will be a sign that intolerance can do well and I do not want to see political debate put back 200 years or put on a level that has been common in Northern Ireland for generations.

          LOLOLOLOLOLOL OMFG. U are such a fking troll

    • Alexsandr

      I have been to croydon. I think Mackenzie is bang on the money.

    • Smithersjones2013

      You think that having a bunch of Eastern Europeans disrupting a UKIP political event is a problem for UKIP?

    • George Smiley

      So did I, and Croydon IS a dump.

  • HookesLaw

    As I understand it MacKenzie finished the day by calling Croydon a ‘dump’.
    When UKIP pursue a policy of exclusion they should not be surprised if the excluded protest.
    There is nothing rented about the mob, it is a creature entirely of ukips making.

  • Dacus

    UKIP cannot run a street party in Croydon and want to run the whole UK? What a joke!

    • Smithersjones2013

      Well the Government couldn’t stop a riot there so your point is?

    • George Smiley

      Another Lib/Lab/Con supporter who obviously has never ever even been to Croydon!

  • Daniel

    Fake Romanian Protesters at UKIP Carnival

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFF0Pm4VQcw

    • HookesLaw

      Like a fake Elvis?

    • Romanian

      They weren’t fake Romanian: both ladies had a strong east-european accent, especially the lady in red, which could be very well Romanian, though I cannot be 100% sure. Anyway, they weren’t British lefties and I have good reasons to think they were Romanian.

  • the viceroy’s gin

    Wait, so the other day we heard everywhere in joined chorus that UKIP had been in a “car crash”, and today the lingo de jure is that UKIP is in a “carnival”.

    Can you meeeej-yuh muppets possibly be any more transparent?

    Do any of you lumps ever feel a bit of shame for being such tools?

  • Denis_Cooper

    It’s simple: if you believe that the British people have a right to both possess and govern their own country, their homeland, then you should vote UKIP.

    If on the other hand you don’t believe that, then there are other parties whose leaders agree with you, and you can choose which of them you will support.

  • callingallcomets

    How did I know that the Speccie would dig up local feelgood tech guy Jonathan Rose to add his little bit of mockery…CCHQ hotline, methinks?

    • the viceroy’s gin

      Yeah, it’s the red phone for those types… plenty of shyat pants down that way, I suspect. The hour is getting late for them, and they know it.

  • UniteAgainstSocialism

    “Ukip supporters clearly picked for looking innocuous such as elderly
    women with sweet smiles and languid gentlemen approached onlookers to
    dole out campaign literature and purple balloons”

    errrrrrr i think not. Most UKIPers would be at work, grafting and paying taxes so the anti UKIP protesters like the UAF, hope not hate, and even the romanian protesters there can get receive benefits to protest against UKIP. You can tell by looking at these protesters they are extreme left wing.

    • Hexhamgeezer

      C4 News let slip that the ‘Romanians’ weren’t Romanian. Unfortunately Crick didn’t feel up to telling us who they were.

      • Colonel Mustard

        I thought that placard about “feeling uncomfortable” was sus. That is the lefty luvvie language of Patrick Stewart.

        • starfish

          Yep “down with this sort of thing”

          Very ‘father ted’

  • JSmith

    Ukip knew this carnival would obviously be disrupted by a mob which is why they
    publicised it yesterday and the lefties fell for it hook, line and sinker –
    people see the ugly face of the hard left and then put their vote with
    Ukip . 10’s of thousands of more votes for Ukip when this is on the tv news tonight – great tactics from Ukip 2 days before the election.

    • crackenthorp

      have you come off a christmas tree?

      • starfish

        Thats how it played on itv news

        Everything they do gives UKIP more votes

        Meanwhile miliband genuinely crashes and burns on bbc Wiltshire

    • Ooh!MePurse!

      I don’t know why I’m surprised by this garbage. It’s the kind of mumbo jumbo that members of religious sects come out with. And that is just what you are.

      I really thought I’d read it all. Clearly not.

      • JSmith

        You can’t have read much then – seems your lefty newspaper agrees with me and disagrees with you:

        The Guardian Tuesday 20 May 2014 22.18 BST

        Labour and Tory ratings suffer as Farage attacks backfire

        George Osborne planning to mount attack on Labour and Ukip as polling suggests voters do not regard Ukip leader as racist

        http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/20/labour-tory-poll-ratings-farage-attacks

        • Ooh!MePurse!

          First, I’ve read a huge amount about the elections; I’m a news and politics junkie. However, I haven’t read anything as utterly preposterous as your earlier post.
          Secondly, you’ve assumed that I’m left wing. I most certainly am not, I despise the political left. I am a very proud Conservative voter and potentially a party member.
          Thirdly, you assume that I think Ukip is racist; I am on record as disagreeing with that point of view.

          Next?

          • Smithersjones2013

            Oh I don’t know. Holding a street party in the town which is Home to the Immigration Department’s Headquarters which is disrupted by Eastern European demonstrators I think does send a helpful message for UKIP

            Furthermore to many being a ‘proud conservative’ these days does equate to being left wing in a Guardianista manner particularly those who espouse support for Cameron and his cult of Blair.

            • Ooh!MePurse!

              First, my comment was about JSmith’s earlier post which has to be seen to be believed.

              Secondly, I am old enough and intelligent enough to make my own political judgments and my views are in no way comparable to the Guardian or social democrats. One of the reasons that I’m so anti-ukip is that it makes the election of a very socialist Labour party more likely. Please don’t insult my views by claiming that I am some kind of lefty just because I don’t support Ukip, it’s just untrue.

              • the viceroy’s gin

                LibLabCon are all socialist, lad. That’s why UKIP is thriving. All of you LibLabCon socialists are a menace.

            • Airey Belvoir

              The ‘Romanian’ demonstrators turned out, on questioning, to be nothing of the sort. Anti-UKIP Brits posing as Romanians. When exposed their best excuse was to assert that ‘we are all Romanians’ which is hardly up there with Kennedy’s ‘Ich bin ein Berliner.’

          • JSmith

            Ah, you’re offended about my assumptions about you. Please don’t be. I didn’t take offence at your prior assumption that I’m a member of a religious sect (even though you don’t know me). Some people reading this article agree with my view on the carnival – you aren’t going to one of them. That’s fine by me.

            • Ooh!MePurse!

              Apart from the accusation of being left wing I’m not offended, just wanted to set the record straight.

              You are a member of a religious sect. Seeing things that are not there, denial of the facts and blind obedience to a blessed leader.

              You seem like a decent person – it’s not too late to escape.

              • the viceroy’s gin

                Yes, you’re a true socialist. That post confirms it, lad. You have the pure leftist mindset.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            What does being a Camerluvvie voter have to do with being a conservative, lad? The Camerluvvies are socialists, and presumably so are you.

  • Roger Clague

    ” clearly picked for looking innocuous such as elderly women with sweet smiles and languid gentlemen ”

    Ukip don’t pick their campaigners, its who turns up. They are often as you described.

    • Conway

      They don’t get it, do they? It’s like when I was told, “no doubt you are sent …”. I’m not sent anywhere; I choose to go!

    • Conway

      They don’t get it, do they? It’s like when I was told, “no doubt you are sent …”. I’m not sent anywhere; I choose to go!

  • Ricky Strong

    Perhaps he was just playing you all and using it to illustrate how democracy has died a death in this country.

  • James Allen

    Rent-a-mob for every appearance by Farage, organised by UAF and Hope not Hate, which receive funding from Dept for Communities and trade unions. I believe they call it “closing down debate”. Anyone heard any real discussion in the Press of the issues at stake in these European elections? Me neither. Glad we have such a grown-up political culture these days…. Shame on Tories, Labour, Lib Dems and their media allies.

    • telemachus

      Rent a mob
      The main culprit for this farce was Winston McKenzie who not only duped a steel band into appearing to support Ukip
      But also repeatedly blew his top to the point that he had to be restrained by one of his minders

      • tastemylogos

        Those Afro Carribean types are so hateful against their own kind 😉

        • Colonel Mustard

          Tut tut. “West Indian mums will go to the wall for their children.”

        • telemachus

          I take it from that comment that you are actually a member of Ukip

          • tastemylogos

            Why would I be? I am highlighting your own stupidity. ‘UKIP is racist (even the ethnic minorities in it who ‘despise’ their own kind)’, right? lolz.

            You’re certainly a member of Labour. Muppet.

      • Colonel Mustard

        H**l hath no fury like a Lieborg scorned. Is it like apostacy?

        “McKenzie first joined the Labour Party in the 1980s. In 2002, he joined the Liberal Democrats”.

        Kind of a reverse process to you, who used to be in UKIP, although you were probably secretly in the SWP throughout, Long Marching with Tariq Ali and other supporters of North Vietnam’s war of aggression against the South.

        • telemachus

          Tariq Ali has more sincerity in his little toe than the whole of the UKIP leadership

          He has a precise way of capturing the nub of any argument

          “England has been politically petrified since the Thatcher era.” Although the Tories were soundly beaten by New Labour in 1997, Blair was the heir to Thatcher, he says. “An independent Scotland could also lead to something quite new in England; but not something nutty like UKIP”

          • Alexsandr

            if the scots go independent the we wont have Labour for a generation, if not longer

            Good.

            • telemachus

              First
              Better Together will win
              Second
              Governments lose elections
              In the unlikely event that the Tories got back in in 2015 folks would ditch them in 2020
              *
              PS forget Ukip they will be a footnote by 2020

          • Colonel Mustard

            Yes he was sincere about forming a volunteer unit to fight for the Viet Cong. Poison. Like all you reds.

            • telemachus

              I was a very small part of all that, in and after Exeter
              He had profoundly held convictions about the wrong being visited on the Vietnamese by LBJ including the moral degradation
              In the end he was proved correct

              • Colonel Mustard

                Only if you believe the propaganda of the aggressive North Vietnamese and their comintern friends and useful idiots.

                • telemachus

                  Reasonable people so believe

                • Colonel Mustard

                  You and your SWP comrades are far from reasonable whatever you might like to think.

    • Colonel Mustard

      The Power of Being “Offended” in Order to Shut Down Political Debate

      http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2013/04/22/the-power-of-being-offended-in-order-to-shut-down-political-debate-n1574026/page/full

      And New Labour added to that power here with their pernicious criminalising spree.

      • you_kid

        I doubt Labour cared one bit.
        Let the loons split the right – why engage in what from an innocent bystander’s point of view can only be described as self-inflicted carnage?

        • Jerome Leroy

          ROFL

    • sfin

      Nuff said!

    • Makroon

      Winston McKenzie is a well-known eccentric and fantasist in Croydon – he’s proclaimed himself a Labourite and a Tory in the past, and a couple of years ago, reckoned he was fronting up a “group of Nigerian businessmen” to buy Crystal Palace football club.
      UKIP certainly know how to pick em !
      Run the country ? Farage couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery (even though he would probably like to try).

      • James Allen

        Classic. Good job he’s a one-trick pony… and I’d like to see him perform that trick…. if only he’d get the chance.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …and you Camerluvvies worship at the shrine of the 2 poshboys, even as you disparage others. Sad.

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