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Labour falling behind as Ukip leads latest Euro poll

12 May 2014

5:34 PM

12 May 2014

5:34 PM

Labour is failing to make up any ground on Ukip ahead of next week’s European elections. A new poll from Sky News and YouGov today says that Labour’s support has dropped to 25 per cent, while Ukip remain comfortably in first place with 31 per cent of the vote:

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Interestingly, Ukip has not pushed further ahead since the last YouGov poll I wrote up, but they are now clear of the margin of error — two/three per cent depending on the sample size. It appears that, combined with Ukip’s higher likeliness to vote, Labour is ever more certain to come second on 22 May.

The Tories, who have long accepted they will come third, will be pleased they are slowly eroding Labour’s vote share. But Labour HQ will be panicking about the state of their electoral strategy. While the last few weeks have been taken up by controversies over Ukip’s party political broadcast and VAT posters, little has been said about its European policy.

As Guido reported over the weekend, some at Labour HQ feel their strategy has focused too much on the Liberal Democrats and not enough on Ukip. Although today’s poll does suggest it’s the Tories who are eating into Labour’s vote, there is plenty more Miliband and co could have done to tackle the rise of Ukip.

As it stands now, Ed Miliband is facing the embarrassing prospect of being beaten by a party which has no MPs and is way behind Labour in the national vote share. If Labour are beaten into second place, there will be much soul searching about what it means for party’s election machine, its leader and ability to win in 2015.


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  • John Armitage

    I came across this while browsing the web. I think there are issues but we must pay attention. It is not something we can hide from. Will it be a good idea? I am worried about it. there is something dodgy going on and people are not aware of some massive changes about to happen. People should be able to have a say about the future of their country. To go out and vote should allow ones voice but news papers are blocking some of the things UKIP are trying to tell people and perhaps rubbishing their claims to certain things. I want my voice to be heard and me being a Labour voter, my MP will not talk about the EU of which all others seem to be talking about. It’s like there is something to hide but I want to know ….. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/476656/Germany-tells-Cameron-he-WON-T-be-able-to-renegotiate-Britain-s-EU-relationship copy and paste, This is why I WILL be voting UKIP. No one in the right mind would want this. As for immigration, it is about not having the ability to control numbers of people entering. We are now governed by Brussels. After November there will be a new treaty added on to the Lisbon Treaty which gives more powers over to the EU. Cameron’s strategy is to make it work but same time look like he is doing something in the best interests of the public and it’s a con!! after the new treaty, we will then have to ask other nation states in the EU if we can have a referendum, they will block wherever possible. It is your democracy, do you really want it being undermined by the EU. People you didn’t elect will have say over your life when Westminster act as just a satellite, it is up to you folks.

  • falcons1988

    I have been out leafleting for UKIP, and nearly everybody who I have spoken to is supporting UKIP and say that everybody that they now is also supporting UKIP. Nevertheless, I do realise that one cannot read too much into it. However, all the members at my local branch(es) are saying the same thing about, 90% of those they meet. I reckon UKIP are not just going to do well, but given my experience of Joe Public, I think UKIP are going to do massively well.

  • Jim Knight

    I think this polls a little more accurate than the polls of the Liblabcon http://www.lbc.co.uk/poll-who-will-you-vote-for-in-general-election-2015-90068#poll-result-307. I feel this poll is far more representative of how the British people feel than those LibLabCon polls which all ask 1000 people within the Westminster bubble which don’t show the feelings across the whole UK!!!

  • icini

    UKIP are not a legacy party. Don’t expect them to behave like one.
    There is much made of odd individuals in the party who have racist or otherwise silly views. Of course all parties have these but the media is only interested in ours.
    Bear in mind that we are a genuine grassroots run party. Nearly all the constituency and area officials are unpaid and amateur volunteers, unlike the others who have full time paid experts. Our best people quickly get snapped up by the center, who themselves only have about 20 paid staff.
    99.95% of Ukipers are ordinary, decent people, who hate racism and are a very inclusive bunch. We do try hard to keep out the tiny number of nutcases who lie on their application forms but now and then, to the delight of the establishment and MSM, one slips through. They are soon removed.
    UKIP is paid for by it’s members, not Capital or Labour. We do get some comparatively small donations, peanuts compared to the others but these tend to be for specific purposes, like the poster campaign. Since members pay the bills, they get to call the tune, far more so than in other parties. This is why so many older, more right wing Ukipers have left, why the 2010 manifesto was dumped, why Nigel travels the country listening to us. Clearly we don’t do political correctness, we dare to say what we think, an unpardonable sin for modern “professional” politicians, who can never quite manage to tell the unvarnished truth , everything has to be spun.
    The 2015 manifestos will be out next year. read them, boring though it is. Compare, weigh against past promises from the others, make up your own mind without allowing the media to do it for you. You owe this to your country and yourself.

  • jesseventura2

    Does anyone really think British people are going to put the strange looking and sounding Bean and Balls up in downing street?

    • andagain

      Stranger things have happened.

  • Grey Wolf

    Did you guys watch BBC QT on 8 May?

    Towards the end, all the panelists ganged up to silence Nigel and drown out what he was saying. Chuka Ummana’s conduct was specially disgraceful. It is indicative of the fear and apprehension that is building up with in the establishment parties. That can only be a good thing.

  • serialluncher

    It’s too close to call. The lastest ICM: Con 27, Ukip 26 and Lab 24. The differences are all within a margin of error. Any of the three could top the poll. If the Tories do, it would be an achievement. When was the last time a sitting government did that?

    • the viceroy’s gin

      It would not be much of an achievement, actually.

      Now, if UKIP tops a national poll, it will be the first time in modern politics that anybody but LibLabCon won a national election, surely back to the 19th Century sometime.

      • serialluncher

        Yours is the mind of a zealot. “Liblabcon” is a linguist abomination and too stupid to entertain in debate.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          I know, lad, I know. You’re plenty embarrassed at having your bald assertion swatted away so casually. You should think before you post.

  • Lady Magdalene

    So the smear campaign against UKIP didn’t work – as anyone with an ounce of emotional intelligence would have realised in advance.
    Gee thanks Speccie, DT, DM, Independent and to a lesser extend the Guardian …. not forgetting the BBC and Channel 4 News of course. The free publicity has been really helpful ………….
    The chatteratti can hardly claim that UKIP is only taking Tory votes when we are quite clearly taking them off each of LibLabCON. The game’s up kiddies: the electorate has figured out that when it comes to the EU its UKIP v The British Establishment/EU represented by LibLabCON – and it’s rejecting The British Establishment/EU.

  • Tony Quintus

    “The Tories, who have long accepted they will come third”
    Not the ones I speak to, they have long accepted that UKIP will win, which is not the same thing at all.

    And what happens to Ed Miliband if the Tories do squeak into second place?

  • Richard N

    Cameron says he ‘gets it’ – and the next day, the DT’s headline is that Cameron has no intention of reducing immigration from EU countries!

    That man is a tactical genius, isn’t he! And that’s in a newspaper which the Tories control!

  • Richard N

    In a recent poll, about 80% of respondents said that they wanted immigration reduced, slashed, or stopped altogether.

    80% – yet all three faces of the actually single EU puppet party filling the Commons completely ignores the wishes of that massive majority!

    THAT is democracy in modern Britain – which echoes the totally lost democracy of the whole of Europe – hijacked by the fake-democratic EU dictatorship.

    The EU dictatorship knows that it must destroy the nation states of Europe, and the sense of national identity of Europeans, if it is not itself to be destroyed, sooner or later, with one more more nations rising up against it.

    And to achieve the destruction of the nation states of Europe, the EU dictatorship has used mass immigration – particularly from 3rd world countries, to progressively dilute the percentage of each country which is represented by its original inhabitants.

    And that is the reason why, without ever being asked, or having any opportunity to vote on the matter, Britain – like all of Europe – has been deliberately swamped with immigrants, starting in Blair’s time.

    UKIP is the only party which represents this 80% of the population of Britain. The other 3 traitor parties, who all take their orders from the EU and Germany, are going to find out that now that the British people are starting to dare to speak up for themselves, and to resist the unspeakably oppressive and genuinely fascist Political Correctness terrorists, who try to shout down and terrorise anyone who dares to speak up against this destruction of Britain and its culture, UKIP is going to continue rising and rising – and I predict it will get at least 25% at the next General Election – and quite possibly a lot more than that, now that people are daring to rise up against the PC fascists.

  • HookesLaw

    The ‘latest Euro poll’ actually puts the tories in the lead. ICM.
    ‘The poll also asked about voting intention in the European elections and
    found topline figures of CON 27%, LAB 24%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 26%, GRN 10%’
    From UKPR
    Which also show the tories in the lead on GE voting intentions.

    • Tony Quintus

      If that actually comes to pass you will see the amazing spectacle of the left and the right exploding on the same day.
      Can you imagine the headlines if the Lib Dems were wiped out, Labour came 3rd because of losses to the “Watermlon” Greens and UKIP still didn’t make their much predicted breakthrough for the win, it would ceratainly add a little extra frisson to the Scottish independence referendum.

    • saffrin

      Cameron couldn’t even win the unlosable 2010 General Election outright, even when the Tories were seen as the only viable alternative to the evil of what Labour had become.
      With four years of experience of Cameron and his Government, I hope the electorate have wisened-up enough to know the man can’t be trusted on anything.
      If Cameron is fool enough to think the electorate will waste another five desperate years waiting for him to fulfil a promise experience has shown us he has no intention of delivering, he is as mad as Harriet Harman.

      • Wessex Man

        humour him, at least he’s not ranting and raving lately, I really worried thar he was heading for meltdown a couple of weeks ago. In fa zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • Doggie Roussel

    I’ve just watched to Channel 4 News, where the two Labour lickspittles, Snow and Kathy Whotsit tried to rubbish UKIP over their Newark candidate’s suggestion that voters of over 70 might have reservations about homosexuals… why shouldn’t they?… they were brought up to believe in heterosexual traditions…

    But no… Channel 4 wheeled out that ghastly old queen… Ian McKellen, to proselytize on behalf of the bending community… ten minutes of self-justifying, arrant and queenly protest followed, which made the need for an emetic entirely unnecessary…

    It only needed Stephen Fry to pop up and proclaim, “We don’t only do buggery, you know, we also do fellatio.and mutual masturbation, along with a host of other delightful diversions…” he was giving this delightful homily to a wide-eyed African civil servant who was trying to understand homosexual behaviour.

    No wonder the Empire folded.

  • Ancient Brit

    ICM have just issued a poll also showing the Conservatives wit a 2 point lead,

  • Jonathan Burns

    Scotland votes to be a minor part of the United States of Europe.

    • Wessex Man

      who cares?

  • asalord

    England votes ukip – Scotland votes for independence.

    • Jonathan Burns

      A Mr Magoo the man so shortsighted he can only see Westminster, while blind to the European takeover, no different from WW2 when you Nats wanted to be friends with the Germans.

    • serialluncher

      The SNP will implode much like Ukip.

  • Alexsandr

    who are the 9% who still think the limp dumps are credible????

    • Lucy Sky Diamonds

      The same 7% that Nick Clegg quoted during the debate? He couldnt tell the difference between EU rules and his poll rating!

      • Alexsandr

        sorry Lucy. I corrected the %age which rather spoiled your jest.

        • Lucy Sky Diamonds

          A number is a number

          • Alexsandr

            hopefully the LD share of the pie in 2015 will be 3.142% :)

  • Terry Field

    UKIP looks very stable on about 1/3rd of the total vote.
    If Labour rebranded as UPRIK it may get a core vote again.

    • pcmcgurk

      Nice one Tel.

      • Alexsandr

        50% would be better.

        • Tim Reed

          ‘lessons have been learned and we are listening’

          …and we are going to shout Racist, Xenophobe, Little Englander even louder and more frequently in the future.

  • Lucy Sky Diamonds
    • Colonel Mustard

      Not surprising. He actually supports UAF which was blown wide open on Daily Politics today.

      • Lucy Sky Diamonds

        Both Labour and the Tories need soul searching. They are both in dire straights.

        FPTP is artificially flattering them.

    • Denis_Cooper

      I’ve always been puzzled by that advert on the site:

      “THE CONSERVATIVE FOUNDATION
      YOUR LEGACY
      YOUR PARTY
      YOUR COUNTRY”

      It’s been obvious for some time that the Tory party does not really think of this country as being my country or your country, in their eyes it belongs equally to whoever wants to turn up from anywhere in the world to claim their share of it.

  • London Calling

    I certainly hope in his own words Cameron ‘gets it’ otherwise UKIP gets it. especially when it comes to the EU……..UKIP may lack political maturity. which at present is their downfall, however the public are watching and listening and want to resonate with the needs of the day. People are more interested with what’s going on with the EU than opinion polls dictate, not just everyday needs….a referendum is much needed to bring the EU in line. they have become too politically powerful for their own good and that is our downfall………how we let it happen is beyond me, you cant reform that which will not allow for itself to be reformed, you can only hit it head on and bring forth the public’s right to vote on the matter……………Amen.

  • Rhoda Klapp8

    I told you this wouldn’t be a proper election. Everything I predicted has come to pass. I blame the media. Why do they not hold the useless bloody politicians to account? Why does this weakly organ not demand a discussion of european issues other than in/out. Or what difference any usless bloody MEP can make? Or what the EP is for if other than to give a false impression of a democratic dimension to tyranny? Just polls, spin and downright lies. Get a grip.

  • George_Arseborne

    I thought the promise of in/out referendum will a break through for the Tories. Sebastien , Milliband rule out referendum yet his party will have more MEP than the Tories. Why? Is it just the continuation of drunkeness after Lord Ashcroft Poll today?

  • cargill55

    Liblabcon, there is an easy solution to you problem.
    Advocate and implement policies which benefit Britain , not policies you calculate will buy you votes, seats, internal party support and donations from cronies.

    • you_kid

      Got it one, lad. Leaving the EU benefits no one.

      • Wessex Man

        Please expand thast wonderful comment.

      • Conway

        You mean benefits no one in Westminster. The rest of us, on the other hand will benefit enormously.

      • David Manley

        Being in the EU benefits the dictatorship, we as tax payers pay for

        • you_kid

          Croatia, Slovenia and Belgium now rule us? How so?

          • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

            What are you talking about nut-case. We are ruled by the EU, the Union deicide, it’s basically like the commons, you keep telling yourself you’re represented and your opinions count…… Except EU democracy is none existent, we have absolutely no say over anything. The countries you listed have more control over our country than we do.

            • David Manley

              When the EU describe what democracy is, they mean they elect eachother and by eachother, not the people like you and me. That’s what worries me yet alone the end of nation states existance and nation state democracy, no one had consented too.

            • you_kid

              ‘You’ are *governed* by Croatia, Belgium and Slovenia? How so?

              • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                I just told you above, they have more say over our country than we do, I know it’s a shock to you, but that’s the EU. They decide our laws and can veto a decision, we have very few representatives to fight our corner. it’s basically like labour have a 90% seat majority and you’re asking why they are in charge.

                • you_kid

                  ‘More say’ – you have no say. You cannot even get your lot to give you a referendum you demand. You are not in your Parliament. You are only in Brussels where you could have a say but CHOOSE not to. Pah!

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  Why are you smug about my countrymen being denied direct democracy via a vote of self-determination?

                  We only have a say when everyone agrees with us.

                • you_kid

                  Nonsense – you believe that you, yes you personally this time, should decide how things pan out. No one will give you that authority, lad.

                  You will continue to have the say you deserve (as if you ever had a say what your country was and who governed it).

                  You will not have a referendum, not because the EU forbid it, your masters forbid it. I forbid it, if you like.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  I don’t want to decide anything, I want my people to VOTE ON IT!

                  “”You will not have a referendum, not because the EU forbid it, your masters forbid it. I forbid it, if you like””.

                  What a devastatingly revealing sentence:

                • you_kid

                  it is meant as a provocation – for you to finally think straight and look INWARDS not outwards.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  Can you explain why you are so against my people getting a referendum on EU membership?

                • you_kid

                  I am not against it. I am teasing you.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  Then why are you against UKIP? Why is it the Falklands get a referendum, Scotland get a referendum, all given by Cameron, why not us?

                • you_kid

                  They offer nothing but fearmongering and diversion. Look INWARDS, not outwards.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  They offer a referrendum, control of our country and domestic democracy- our elections will mean something.

                  I don’t agree with all of UKIP’s policies, but these 3 core ideals are enough to secure my vote.

                • you_kid

                  UKIP do not oppose the workings in the City, they do not oppose the feudal and outdated laws of the land. If UKIP represented you then you must be part of the establishment.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  What “workings in the city” You seem very ill-informed.

                  There are a few policies I disagree with, they aren’t perfect, but they will give us a choice on these things, once we leave the EU our elections will mean something again, now our choice is EU or UKIP.

                  UKIP haven’t produced their manifesto and will hopefully sort out some of these issues, don’t be so quick to rule them out, the are a new party and have a lot of growing to do. If you’re so quick to dismiss UKIP we will NEVER leave the EU. they are our only chance, stick with them.

                • icini

                  Don’t bother to debate with Trolls, he’s just hoping you’ll get cross and say something nasty so he can bleat to his media pals about how terrible Ukipers are. The man is beyond redemption or getting paid.

                • David Manley

                  Hey lad or la!!!…. read the Lisbon Treaty… google it

                • you_kid

                  oi, lad – article 352 is my favourite. Did you think you were talking to your paper boy, lad?

          • Nicholas_Keen

            No, but “Brussels” has a major impact in both material and symbolic ways. Ability to independently negotiate trade agreements? Justice and the Arrest Warrant? Subservience to ECHR rulings as a condition of EU membership? Border controls? Foreign policy? Weights and measures? Time zone stipulations? Automotive regulations? Number plate and licence symbols? Access to benefits? Working hour restrictions? Regional policy? Compulsory display of EU symbols and acknowledgement of EU funding on public works projects? Food packaging and content? etc., etc.

            • you_kid

              None of this harms British business or the people of Britain. We demand clean air, free movement of labour (our hard fought-for right) and superior standards. Europe delivers those standards in any case, in or out. This has been pointed out many times.

              • Nicholas_Keen

                I don’t remember arguing the merits or demerits of any particular law or regulation. I am arguing that control over British affairs has been surrendered to an entity largely under foreign, increasingly German, control. That doesn’t sit well with most of us.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  Precisely, we need not express views on particular policy, it is wrong for him to assume because you want control over your country you wish to isolate it.

          • Wessex Man

            Well they do actually, as the EU has grown with new countries joining they all have been allocated Commisssioners, whilst existing members like the UK Germany have lost Commissioners. We now have UK population anyone’s guess but put at 60,000,000 by Call me Dave one Commissioner, Slovenia population, 2,000,000 one Commissioner.

            Qualified majority voting now means We the UK now have to pay 3.5 billion pounds more on top of our outrageous contributions from transaction tax imposed by the smaller countries.

          • David Manley

            Check out Barroso, and Herman Van Rompouy and the federal Europe. Who ever we have in power at Westminister now can not make change to Britain’s governing whithout the interfearence from Brussels. When Cameron says he can reform our membership, he can not. The EU will not have the Lisbon Treaty re negotiated so we must exit to govern ourselves. I just can not understand why Gordon Brown had the Lisbon Treaty dealt with behind closed doors without consulting the public first. It means a federal Europe if we don’t exit before long.

            • you_kid

              Britain has all the power it requires to be one member in a 28 member club of nations. We are one of 28 in that setup. In any other setup we are a member of that setup.
              At home, we have a setup in which Westminster governs foreign nations. That setup is a setup in which 3.5 nations and Gibraltar etc find they are bound by majority decision-making. Similar principles apply. The club size determines your role and weight.

              Business, regulations and people movement are now multi-national, so we need an multi-national mechanism to deal with these issues. Europe is that mechanism.

              • Baron

                Listen, kid, what if we don’t want to be one of 28 but one of one? A sovereign nation fighting it our for a place under the sun. If the EU is the ‘multinational mechanism’ what about the countries not in it. How come they are doing OK without the unelected Brussels apparatchiks and their ‘multinational mechanism’, ha?.

                Also, are you aware the EU spent almost E400mn in the Ukraine in the last two years undermining the elected President and Government of that country? Why? Who gave a bunch of unelected bureaucrats the right spending a large chunk of our money to interfere in the affairs of a country that neither threatens us nor has any bearing on our interests.

                • you_kid

                  Which nations are that, Baron?
                  Are their national energy sectors owned by their neighbours as they are here? Are their water supplies and public transport, their rail service providers owned by foreigners? Are their prime holders of assets in commercial office property foreigners too? Who are these nations that have opened up to their neighbours like we have? Care to list them?

                  Ukraine is EU foreign policy like Iraq and Afghanistan were foreign policy here. Do the sums. I am not holding my breath for a response once you have.

                • Baron

                  What on earth does our being or not being an EU member have to do with the ownership of the energy, water companies …?

                  Switzerland is one of the countries, kid. In 2011 with GDP at $659.3bn, foreign investment in the Swiss economy stood at $684.8bn (book value of capital stock at year-end), (most of it in finance of holding companies). Baron cannot be bothered to google for the UK equivalent figures (you may have a go), but he reckons foreign investment here is anywhere near the £1.7tr of our GDP.

                  Would you also have a go explaining the EU’s spend close to E400bn in just two years in Ukraine, please. Baron reckons if we were a sovereign country the politicians in charge would have thought twice spending a penny there for fear the electorate wouldn’t like it.

                • you_kid

                  That is what I was hoping for – Switzerland does not compare at all to the UK. It has far more foreign immigrants than the UK, the tax system is entirely different, the democratic setup is entirely different. There is no monarch for a start. Baron should bother to find better examples, he is not doing well right now. He can do better than that I am certain.

                • Baron

                  Kid, wake up, everything you list is totally, absolutely and unquestionably irrelevant to out membership (or not) of the EU. Or you reckon because the Swiss don’t speak English, drink lager rather than beer, drive on the right rather than on the left …. invalidates Baron’s point that there’s is life outside the EU? Come on, get real.

                  Turkey ain’t in the club, and if it were not for the near dictatorial fruitcake Erdogan, the country would still be prospering as before, yet it’s Muslim, has little less of foreign investment that the Swiss, no monarchy either ….

                • you_kid

                  I listed why we will not leave. No politician can say it, no spin doctor can, no Baron will.
                  The you_kid delivers those goods, once again.

                • David Manley

                  Your claims on Switzerland, not true.

          • icini

            Because we have one vote in 27 and most EU members now take out far more than they put in. Do you see them wanting to change anything ?

            • you_kid

              Decided to engage now, have you?
              The net contributors already are changing things. You would not know because you never turn up for work.

      • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

        Take Denmark’s stance on immigration

        Denmark are so stupid, what they’re doing is restricting immigration
        which allows their own unemployed to find work, and as the labour-force is limited businesses have to increase salaries to attract talent, and increase wages for unpleasant jobs to attract interest. This is very bad because big business are unable to exploit their employees. it is also bad because the tax-payers no-longer have to fund their benefits, and those same people are now PAYING into the system….. With all of this money now being paid into the system and with fewer people to look after the state might be able to reduce its deficit and/or reduce taxes………. which will then enable them to invest more in infrastructure and improve living standards, what idiots.

        And that’s just immigration, not to mention the vast cost of EU membership, bureaucracy and sacrificing our democracy.

    • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

      Tory Toffs, labour incompetence or UKIP common sense….? hmmmm tough choice.

  • the viceroy’s gin

    As it stands now, Ed Miliband CALL ME DAVE is facing the embarrassing prospect of being beaten by FINISHING THIRD TO a party which has no MPs and is way behind Labour AND THE CAMEROONS in the
    national vote share. If Labour THE CAMEROONS are beaten into second A HUMILIATING THIRD place, there will
    be much soul searching about what it means for party’s election
    machine, its leader and ability to win in 2015.

    • 2trueblue

      You need to extend your vocabulary.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        You need to stop whimpering over your boy Call Me Dave.

    • balance_and_reason

      communist

    • BIRD SONG

      DO YOU THINK THEY CALLED BENJAMEN DISRALI BEN????

      • the viceroy’s gin

        I BET THEY DIDN’T MISSPELL HIS NAME WHATEVER THEY CALLED HIM.

      • BIRD SONG

        OOPS!,MIGHT HAVE BEEN DIZZY [NO NOT ME HIM],ANYWAY IT,S BETTER THAN THAT CHUWMBAWUBA FELLER THAT WAS THE LABOUR CHAPPY.

  • Ricky Strong

    Where Labour and Milliband are going wrong is that they will look at these polls and ask what they need to do to challenge UKIP.

    The answer is staring them in the face. The people want a referendum. It really is that simple.

    • John Dalton

      No it’s a lot more than that. The three main parties have pushed an agenda which large swathes of the population completely reject – and anyone who’s dared to speak up has been beaten into submission and silence. Now, at last, UKIP has gained such momentum that they can no longer smear and bully it away. It speaks up for what the people want and what the three main parties have so contemptuously denied them.

      What’s truly sad is that all three main parties are putting their energies into attacking the man not the message, rather than debating the issues. Probably because it’s a debate they know they’ll lose.

      • Ricky Strong

        I do agree but I think the European elections are more reflective of the referendum issue. If the margin of support for UKIP is equally translated into the general election then I think we can say UKIP votes are no longer in protest but in support for policy.

        • Alexsandr

          with the EU issue now firmly linked with the immigration issue that will be the size of the U-turn necessary for liblabcon to regain control again. Massive

          • Ricky Strong

            I think people are beginning to understand just how much the EU impacts on our everyday lives.

            I was astounded to see on QT the reaction of the panel and the audience to Nigel’s point about EU competition law playing a role in the proposed takeover of AstraZeneca. What do people think a common market entails?

            • Andy

              I think you fail to see this in the broader sense. This is happening across Europe. The peoples of Europe are simply fed up with their political class and the mess they have made. That is why the National Front are doing very nicely in France and Golden Dawn in Greece, in spite of efforts to destroy them as a political party by the government, is doing fairly well. So it’s not just our politicians: its the whole lot of ’em. The only problem is we will likely end up with an EU Parliament dominated by Federalist dogs.

              • Alexsandr

                Italy too I hear.

                • Andy

                  You hear right. And the Netherlands. What is interesting are the poll numbers are quite similar.

                • Wessex Man

                  I’ve given you both ticks up but why do you care what’s happening Europe, lets just say goodbye!

                • Richard N

                  If the EU is to be brought down, it’s far more likely to happen due to France or Holland, than the UK.

                  Though if UKIP managed to get 30% + in the next GE – which is not impossible, in my opinion – then we could escape the EU dictatorship – and Britain leaving would bring the whole ghastly EU edifice crashing down.

                • Andy

                  Possibly so, but the UK may be the catalyst. As you say if the UK leaves this could trigger the unravelling of the whole EU. A glorious dawn in my view.

                • Andy

                  Oh I want to leave, but I have lots of friends in Greece. I see what the EU has done to them and their lives, allied to Socialist corruption and incompetence. I care what happens in Europe because I don’t want the continent to be engulfed by a bloody war.

            • ButcombeMan

              To a man and woman-including Baroness Williams, they all tried to shout Farage down so that his final point could not be heard..

              An absolute disgrace

            • HookesLaw

              Laws which are aimed at ruling out European wide cartels. Are you in favour of cartels? Laws which would prevent selfish other countries blocking a UK company taking over a foreign one.
              In any event we are talking about two multinational companies who already operate in various jurisdictions.

          • David Manley

            None of those parties listed have explained the reality issue with the British public of the federal Europe. No one consented to a federal Europe AT ALL and that scares me!!

        • 2trueblue

          It is no longer about a referendum, it is about our lack of freedom to rule in our own country.

          • Ricky Strong

            Could you say the two are mutually exclusive?

      • Colonel Mustard

        Here’s an example:-

        http://birmingham.tab.co.uk/2014/05/12/ukip-u-cant/

        The comments by ‘Liberal4life’ and ‘Dan’ are as appalling as the main story. A whole generation brainwashed by Labour to think it is ok to oppress what they disagree with.

      • ButcombeMan

        And Milliband REFUSED to debate the EU issues with Farage.

        Farage challenged him Milliband ducked it.

        Milliband is just not up to it intellectually.

      • jesseventura2

        .Right on mate we have had enough of lying bastards who ignore our wishes

    • Lucy Sky Diamonds

      What people actually want is immigration into the ten of thousands – whatever the cost

      • berosos_bubos

        negative 10000s you mean

      • Richard N

        Yes – IMMIGRATION – not the bullshit ‘net migration’.

    • David Manley

      I now have to say, I would not trust a referendum under Labour or conservatives

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