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Joint Ukip candidates is Farage’s second best option

21 May 2014

9:22 AM

21 May 2014

9:22 AM

Nigel Farage has stirred up talk again this morning of joint Conservative/Ukip or Labour/Ukip candidates. This has been doing the rounds ever since the Ukip leader mooted it in an interview with James in the Spectator, but neither main party is keen. The reason is that this would effectively outsource candidate selection to someone outside the Conservative or Labour party: only candidates Ukip considered sufficiently ‘sound’ according to its own standards would get the Farage kitemark, and therefore local parties with Ukip breathing down their necks might be tempted to choose a more Ukippish type to stand for them than otherwise.

But there’s another point worth making about the joint ticket. It’s Farage’s second best option now that he’s failed to persuade any Conservative MPs to defect to his party. It’s still a powerful option, as outlined above, but nowhere near as dramatic as a big fish defection.

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Coffee House revealed recently that one MP who had serious discussions about a defection decided that he could not switch party because he did not trust Farage himself. The MP told me:

‘When I looked Farage in the eyes, eyeball to eyeball, I felt this was a person I could not trust and do business with.’

Defecting is a serious business, of course, but there was a stage in the febrile few years that the Conservative party has had in government where some MPs were so angry that they seriously considered and made plans for moving over to Ukip. The problem is that they didn’t like what they saw on the other side sufficiently to make the jump. They might still be interested in a joint ticket if that helps their case in individual constituencies, but pressure in the Tory party for that has also diminished since last year. And with Osborne attacking Ukip today as a danger to the economy, it doesn’t look as though the party leadership is warming to the idea either.

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  • Smithersjones2013

    Well that’s smart of the Tories to send out the man with a permanent sneer on his face to sneer at UKIP. Will anyone know the difference in his demeanour?

    In anycase, I assume that what George was really getting at is that neither Miliband or Farage is in the pocket of the financial sector as George and Dave are.

    PS And someone tell idiot George that there is no global free market when the EU protects itself so brazenly from competitive trade with the rest of the world, there is no regional free market when countries like Germany so heavily favour their own businesses and their is no free market in the UK when establishment politicians (e.g. Patrick Mercer) are either in the pocket of vested interests or seemingly driven by self interest (Tim Yeo), dominated by the EU regulation national taxation but even so intent on interfering wherever they feel fit in whichever market takes their fancy.

    If you want a free market that has been totally corrupted by corporatist self-interest, political ideology and bureaucratic interference one only has to highlight the energy market….

    Frankly its hard to work out whose spin is more risibly pathetic Osborne’s or the Telegraph’s

  • Penny

    “The problem is that they didn’t like what they saw on the other side sufficiently to make the jump”

    Perhaps not, but for an established MP there is rather more to floor-crossing than you suggest here, especially during a term of office. Politicians at all levels have stood on a party ticket and, while some of the electorate may have based their voting decision solely on the hard-working, decent person with an impeccable character that just happens to be (say) a Tory, rather more do so because of political conviction or tribalism. For a Tory to jump ship mid-ocean, is, in this respect, flying in the face of those who elected him/her for political reasons. It’s essentially a betrayal and seldom plays well at any level. I think we’ve seen an example of this in the LibDem supporters who were dismayed when their party went into a coalition with the Tories.

    MP’s are also paid employees and many – like anyone else – need a salary. To make a jump to a new and developing party requires some hard-headed analysis of the type that cannot always be dictated by conviction.

    Of course such a defection would be dramatic, but I doubt any will occur at present because – in my view, at least – the time is not right.

  • http://batman-news.com The Commentator

    I suspect the Tory party will break up after the 2015 election when they fail to secure victory yet again. Genuine conservatives will then probably join UKIP. By the way, who is the real threat to our economy? Nigel Farage, sound grasp of business and trade, or little Gideon who has doubled the national debt in five years and borrows close to £14 million per hour to fund government spending. Answers on a postcard to Ms Hardman at the Spectator offices.

  • allymax bruce

    Isabel, I heard Nigel’s interview on radio4 this morning, and thought he did very well; he seems to revel in the ‘cut n thrust’ of being interviewed.
    Inadvertantly, Nigel, and UKIP, present another tranche of marketing & advertising for the centre-right; David Cameron must be jumping with joy, knowing at any time, he can deal with Nigel, and effectively pull the rug from under the ‘Liberal-Socialists’ of Labour/Lib-Dems, to win a huge majority next May; all while effectively ‘franchising’ all UKIP’s successes into a strong European parliamentary party with his own Conservatives. Like I said a year ago, The Conservatives will win hands-down, (G.E. & EP/EPP seats), but only if they ‘cut-loose’ Scotland.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      No, Dave can’t deal with Nigel, because Nigel won’t deal unless Dave’s head is mounted on a spike, as a first order of business.

  • Denis_Cooper

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/20/labour-tory-poll-ratings-farage-attacks

    “Labour and Tory attacks on Ukip leader backfire”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lastminute-polling-shows-surge-in-ukip-support-ahead-of-eu-and-local-elections-9405782.html

    “EU and local elections 2014: Last-minute polling shows surge in Ukip support”

    “The poll found that 44 per cent of voters named controlling immigration as among their top priorities – and that Ukip was judged the party most trusted on the issue.”

    But at bottom the orchestrated, vicious, smear campaign against UKIP has nothing to with immigration, least of all “racism”, it’s because UKIP is utterly committed to getting us out of the EU while the old parties are utterly committed to keeping us in it all costs.

  • you_kid

    Oi, UKIP groupies – the latest reliable YouGov polls show you won’t even get the top spot. 24 measily percentage points at around 33% turnout – that’s 8% of all voters (!). What a disasterous outcome that would be for you after all this kerfuffle.
    Cameron stays and loses Scotland. All is going exactly to plan.

    • HookesLaw

      The point is that a poll result of 33% in an EU based election means that 67% of the country do not agree with them.
      Yet based on such a result kippers would be claiming to have ‘won’. The plain fact is the pro EU parties would have ‘won’.

      What people are voting on when it comes to UKIP is not the EU. Its immigrants and principally coloured immigrants as well with a bit of anti Romany thrown in. This has been the loud policy shouted by Farage at every opportunity and this is what gets his nutjobs salivating. This is why a high result for Farage would be so sad worrying and disgraceful for our country.

      • you_kid

        YouGov poll 18/19 May:
        Labour 28%
        Ukip 24%
        Tories 21%
        Greens 12%

        O-hohoho! The penny finally drops.

        • Denis_Cooper

          Other polls still have UKIP ahead of Labour:

          http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

          For whatever it may be worth.

          • you_kid

            The Daily Mirror … a beacon of hope.

            • Wessex Man

              Shows what an idiot you are you never even visited the site which shows the results of three different opinion polls.

              • you_kid

                I don’t do red tops, never mind would I ever link to them, sorry – they are for your amusement only.

            • Denis_Cooper

              The Mirror has got itself into a tizzy about a satirical leaflet distributed by a UKIP candidate in Oldham:

              http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ukip-leaflet-claims-asian-candidates-3578840

              “UKIP leaflet which claims Asian candidates could rig the poll is reported to the police”

              But UKIP has nothing to worry about there, because no doubt prominent Tories will leap to its defence saying that they agree there is a problem:

              http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2013/11/in-defence-of-dominic-grieve.html

              “Published: November 23, 2013

              In defence of Dominic Grieve

              By Paul Goodman

              In 2008, Eshaq Khan, a Conservative councillor from Slough, was jailed for postal voting fraud . In 2005, six Labour councillors of Asian origin from Birmingham were found guilty of the same offence. Cllr Peter Golds has written on this site that nothing is being done to stop “massive electoral fraud in Tower Hamlets”. Dominic Grieve has maintained an interest in integration and cohesion for longer than almost any other Conservative MP, and he will undoubtedly have had the integrity of the voting system in mind when he referred, during his interview with today’s Daily Telegraph, to the systemic corruption that blights some south Asian countries. (“It’s mainly the Pakistani community,” he said.)

              The Attorney General was scarcely breaking new ground. Sayeeda Warsi has complained of fraud by Asian-origin voters during the last election. Judge Richard Mawrey has complained that Britain is tolerating levels of electoral corruption “that would disgrace a banana republic”. Joe Murphy, the political editor of the Evening Standard, tweeted as follows after London’s last mayoral election: “Let’s put Tower Hamlets in charge of count next time. They’ll get it done the day before.””

        • HookesLaw

          The Greens poll high in the Euros for the same reason that UKIP do. Its not a proper electioon, no govts are elected the parliament in quesstion does nothing – and UKIP do not bother turning up anyway – except to claim their xpenses.

          • Wessex Man

            When are you going to apologise for the disgusting remarks of the very ex- Mayor of Swindon about disabled people?

          • Denis_Cooper

            If these elections are so unimportant, why did your party leader even bother writing an article for the Telegraph extolling the great achievements of his government and concluding with the words:

            “… please – get out to vote, post your ballot, and have your say. Your vote matters.”

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/10822404/David-Cameron-were-not-all-doomed.html

            Was that because on May 10th he still had hopes that the Tory party might escape a bashing, but now that it is clear that the Tory party will take a bashing the elections have become less important?

            Before which he had repeated three of his standard lies:

            “Those bail-outs Labour signed us up to? I pulled us out of them. When there was an EU treaty that wasn’t in our interests, I refused to sign it — the first British prime minister to do so. And we are the party who got the EU budget cut for the first time, saving British taxpayers £8.15 billion.”

            No mention there of Osborne agreeing to us being involved in the illegal bailouts, or that having threatened to prevent Merkel using the EU Institutions for the purposes of her “fiscal pact” he then caved in and allowed her to use them, and especially allowed her to use the ECJ to punish countries for breaches of a treaty which is not an EU treaty, or of the fact that we will still be paying more into the EU budget.

            • Penny

              “… please – get out to vote, post your ballot, and have your say. Your vote matters.”

              I may be wrong but I cannot recall a previous election in which a politician has resorted to quoting Shakespeare- as per Daniel Hannen in yesterday’s DT.

              “Now, at the latest minute of the hour, grant us your loves”

              Probably a mistake to have allowed the preceding minutes to have been so terribly squandered.

          • http://batman-news.com The Commentator

            I think you will find that UKIP MEPs receive allowances they are entitled to, whereas many Tory parliamentarians claimed expenses they weren’t entitled to, which why they ended up in prison.

        • Colonel Mustard

          Dodgy site. Give us a link to its home so we can assess its dubious credentials.

      • Wessex Man

        When are you going to apologise for the disgusting use of taxpayers money at the Tory Party Conference?

    • The_Missing_Think

      The higher they soar triumphantly, the stickier the unplanned landing.

      Bon voyage, my happy feathery chum.

      • you_kid

        I am here to ease the pain caused after the fall by preparing the plebiscite early for what will happen next. I always do. Of course they will blame the messenger. That is my destiny.

        • Wessex Man

          no they won’t, they’ll ignore you and let someone else change your nappy!

    • Makroon

      Cameron loses Scotland ?
      Don’t you mean Darling loses Scotland ?
      And where would Red be without his 40 Scottish retainers ?

  • black11hawk

    “therefore local parties with Ukip breathing down their necks might be tempted to choose a more Ukippish type to stand for them than otherwise.”

    Surely if a constituency has a strong showing from UKIP and may go to Labour or the Lib Dems because of that the local Tory party would choose a candidate who’s views are more in line with UKIP anyway.

  • Bill_der_Berg

    “I felt this was a person I could not trust and do business with.”

    Many voters feel the same way about Dave.

    • HookesLaw

      No you can pretend that but thats your problem. Of course ‘Dave’ is actually in govt and has to actually ‘do’ things instead of ponce around the country promising the moon and sixpence and vilifying the local scapegoat.
      Doing things – anything annoys some people and clearing up Labour’s mess was always going to hit some people. Its harsh but true that sometimes in govt you have to annoy everybody.
      Its not a politicians job to be populist – its to do what’s needed.

      • Bill_der_Berg

        Why should a lack of trust in Dave be my problem? As for the rest of your post, it usually brings a chuckle to hear governing parties complaining about behaviour that they indulged in when they were in opposition.

      • Colonel Mustard

        “Its not a politicians job to be populist – its to do what’s needed.”

        Why was gay marriage ‘needed’?

        Was it needed to bung £11bn of borrowed money to foreign countries and expect the taxpayer to pick up the tab? Why?

        Reform of the EU is ‘needed’. When did he start and what has he done? How is it going so far? What achievements have been made?

        Why does he need to block websites without judicial oversight under the rule of law and in contravention to an EU ruling? And why does need the technology of the Chinese communist regime to do that?

        • Barakzai

          Spot on.

          Hookes Law must be out to lunch (literally, we know he is figuratively): over 30 minutes have passed since you posted and he’s not back to accuse you of homophobia or being a fruit loop for criticising Saint Dave . . .

      • Alexsandr

        doing stuff?
        rolling back the state and quango bonfire? FAIL
        Sorting out the creeping EU? FAIL
        Controlling immigration – FAIL

      • Penny

        From my perspective Cameron has been a tad diminished by his positioning. He should have avoided the “Look! No notes!”, “Look! No tie!”, “Hug-a-Hoodie-snuggle-up-to-a-Huskie” stuff. It has lead to some seeing him as a little plastic. If he’d avoided these things his current promise of a referendum might have been taken more seriously than it has.

  • Mynydd

    No matter what Mr Cameron/Osborne may say today in respect to, joint Conservative and UKIP candidates, tomorrow they will say something different. In truth the talking has already started over a pint, in the back room of the local pub. The main sticking point being, on the ballet paper should it be; Conservative/UKIP or UKIP/Conservative.

    • Denis_Cooper

      The UKIP members would have something to say about that.

      • HookesLaw

        And of course its not happening. But UKIP members might have something to say about the purity of their paranoia being diluted by additional MPs / members from another party who do not quite agree with their world view. Various ‘defections’ or a widening of the UKIP base would mean its not UKIP anymore.
        Ironically if Farage and you lot were more ‘nuanced’ and calm and coherent about your views and were founded more in reason and reality – instread of being rabidly bonkers – then some co-operation might have been possible. But Farage chose to be a political, party and not a lobbying organisation. He also chose to be a political party based on hyperbole extremism and intolerance. Such message as he has is lost.

        • Johnnywas

          I grew up on a council estate, the working class votes from there that are going towards UKIP were supporting the EDL until not so long ago.

          • Wessex Man

            is that right.

          • Bill_der_Berg

            I cannot say if the same thing is happening in this area. We have secret ballots here.

        • Denis_Cooper

          Why on earth should any decent person want to co-operate with a party led by scumbags, men and women with zero integrity who if they hadn’t been born in such privileged positions might now be going around house to house knocking on doors to try to cheat pensioners out of their life savings, rather than doing it through government policy?

          • Makroon

            Interesting. So your real visceral beef is with low interest rates on your savings. I sympathise, it is unjust.

            • Denis_Cooper

              Nope, my real visceral beef here is that the Tory party is led by shysters, liars, deceivers, cheats, conmen, scumbags, and no decent person would want anything to do with them.

  • GIN1138

    Of course if we had PR (or even AV) we might be expecting the chance of a Con/Kip coalition next year…

    As it is, we still have FPTP and Farage will probably struggle to get a single Kipper MP…

    • Makroon

      And that is a powerful argument against PR.

  • Colonel Mustard

    Yes, well. These would be the trustworthy “Conservative” MPs who suppress their conservatism for the whip and the cosy feel of coalition green leather. The MPs whose priorities are the party rather than the country and let alone the people.

    Farage may be the leader but UKIP is a movement currently attracting the unrepresented and the disaffected. There are a lot of them too, as you will shortly see.

    • telemachus

      unrepresented and the disaffected
      *
      You forgot racists

      • Colonel Mustard

        No, that’s your smear not mine, you nasty fellow.

      • Wessex Man

        are you on about the Tories or Labour?

    • Makroon

      UKIP without Farage is a disparate group of the disaffected, which would collapse under internal wrangling.
      And Farage is permanently “tired” these days.
      Top politicians ideally need the stamina of an elephant (Thatcher and Blair). Cameron, Miliband and Clegg don’t have much, but have learned to “pace themselves”, Farage with his chain-smoking and boozing, and immense pressure to “act the part”, looks like a man 10-15 years older than his 50 years, he is increasingly showing wear and tear.
      These days he doesn’t even have the energy to dye his hair.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        You sound desperate, lad.

        UKIP is a populist movement, you’ll find. If they take +30% of the electorate in these elections, that will demonstrate it firmly, although I’m guessing you wouldn’t have the statistical faculties to understand that.

  • Tony_E

    The Conservatives especially should continue to disallow this king of ‘dual ticket’ candidate as a condition of membership. (It has always had this in its constitution I think).

    The reason is simple. It would be a show of weakness and a lack of confidence in it’s own message.

    If Farage can deliver a handful of seats for UKIP in 2015, then he has a stronger negotiating hand in the reunion of the right / small government / anti European Superstate vote. At that point he will have to decide whether he has gained his seats in areas where the desire is for a small government / No EU ticket, or whether they are in traditional Left constituencies with high immigration concerns.

    • HookesLaw

      How does Farage stop a ‘European Superstate’ if he has left the EU?
      How does he have any effect on how any ‘European Superstate’ develops (ie the Eurozone countries) if he is not in the EU?
      If we leave the EU then the ‘European Superstate’ does what it wants and deals with us how it likes.

      • Raddiy

        Don’t worry Hookey, if you are feeling a little bit scared, that is natural, you can come and hide behind us if you like, we in UKIP will always look after the weak and feeble.

        After a lifetime of living without a backbone, you may eventually be able to grow one back, although gaining self confidence and self belief, may be unattainable in your case.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      If UKIP takes a handful of seats in 2015, they’ll likely have taken nearly 1/4 of the electorate. They won’t really have much of a decision to make. It’ll be LibLabCon that will have the decisions to make, as it’s likely none of them will have a majority. Having forced them into that move, whatever it is, UKIP would then respond to it.

      I have always thought that next move would be a LabCon coalition.

  • Raddiy

    Over our dead body!!

    Nigel Farage may be the leader, but he doesn’t choose the candidates, the constituency branches do.

    After the behaviour of the Conservative party in recent weeks, any residing sympathy for sitting Conservative ‘eurosceptic’ MP’s has vanished. They have stood by and let UKIP be character asassinated by the smear campaign, making them complicit, and just as bad as the rest of the MP’s

    You are tilting at windmills Ms Hardman , either that or you are listening to to many Conservative MP’s with loose sphinchters.

    • Denis_Cooper

      Bill Cash actually joined in with his own article in the Telegraph.

      • Raddiy

        Billy boy hasn’t got over being humiliated by NIgel at the Bruges Group fringe meeting at last year’s Tory conference.
        Can you imagine having that professional windbag on your side, any man who campaigns against Maastricht, and then votes for it to defend his party, is beyond the pale as far as I am concerned.

    • Conway

      I’d blackball any attempt for my “EU sceptic” MP to try to join UKIP. His record of voting is actually very pro EU!

  • Denis_Cooper

    “When I looked Farage in the eyes, eyeball to eyeball, I felt this was a person I could not trust and do business with.”

    Of course, and this useful website:

    http://www.moretorycrapfedtothemedia.com

    provides no fewer than fourteen other reasons why Farage cannot be trusted.

  • anyfool

    I looked him in the eyes, eyeball to eyeball, I felt this was a person I could not trust and do business with

    Who was this creature, is he an imaginary friend or is it Carmeron or Miliband looking in the mirror.

    It certainly was not Farage, he has not been in a position to show his trust, one day he might, until then, this witless article is meaningless, like the previous promises of the other two named.

    • telemachus

      Mattereth not
      It rings a chord

      • Colonel Mustard

        Ooh missus! Titter ye not! No, really! The Frankie Howerd/Walter Mitty mutant of the SWP tags again.

        zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

        *

        *

        *

        Etc.

      • anyfool

        The mindless musings of witless Ed strike more than a chord, they strike fear for their seats into the rest of the Labour Party, on others they strike fear for the country.
        Now slip back under your stone.

    • fundamentallyflawed

      A coward MP is who. Publicly slates Farage from the safety of anonymity. Eurosceptic enough to consider defecting to UKIP, but not brave enough to publicly state their concerns presumably because it might endanger their seat for the next 5 years.

      • Makroon

        I think you are probably spot-on.
        Which shows a certain shrewdness.

        • fundamentallyflawed

          Indeed politically shrewd… the same type of politician who constantly flips their primary residence to game the expenses system, who takes well paid consultation roles to support special interests etc etc. In short, the type of politician we want less of

          • the viceroy’s gin

            …either that or the Speccie kid made it all up.

  • Alex

    “It’s Farage’s second best option now that he’s failed to persuade any Conservative MPs to defect to his party”.
    He doesn’t need to persuade them; the results of the next 2 elections might well do it for him.

    • Mynydd

      You could well see Mr Farage leading Mr Cameron into the pub for a friendly chat.

      • Wessex Man

        I just pray that he doesn’t lead Clegg or Miliband in unless it’s to drown them.

        • Inverted Meniscus

          I would pay to see that.

      • fubarroso

        If you read NF’s books (Fighting Bull & Flying Free) you could well see that he and DC just don’t hit it off at all.

  • ButcombeMan

    While there is big anti UKIP headline in the Telegraph, the main page article says this

    ” he stops short of mentioning the party by name”

    Isabel, it is quite plain that this speech by Osborne is just one of desperation, attempting to smear UKIP by associating them with the Labour anti business messages and agenda.

    The article says he goes on to talk about the “left and the populist right”

    It will not wash, we have all seen through it.

    If Osborne truly wants to influence UKIP voters, the government had better start responding to their concerns. He also needs to understand that UKIP is emphatically NOT “the populist right”. It is taking voters from across the political spectrum.

    • telemachus

      “He also needs to understand that UKIP is emphatically NOT “the populist right”.
      *
      No?
      Then why does he major on the main right wing issues of race, immigration, euroscepticim and little government?

      • Alex

        ‘Little government’ isn’t a right wing idea, however much the BBC et el try to portray it as such. You should read up on classical liberalism; it isn’t a right wing philosophy.

        • telemachus

          Sure is not Socialist

          *

          The idea of Small government was heavily promoted in the United Kingdom by the Conservative government of 1979 under the Premiership of Margaret Thatcher.
          An important part of the Thatcher government’s policy was Privatisation to reduce the role of the state in the economy and allow industries to act without government interference. Small government is generally associated with the Conservative Party and Big government with the Labour Party.
          In addition to opposing government intervention in the economy, advocates of small government oppose government intervention in people’s personal lives. The Labour government during the Premiership of Tony Blair was criticized on this score, e.g., by giving unwanted advice about eating, drinking and smoking. This has been dubbed as the ‘nanny state.
          *
          And so on

          • Colonel Mustard

            Sounds good to me.

          • Alex

            Er, I have no idea what you think that proves.

            • Wessex Man

              don’t worry about it nor does he.

          • Kitty MLB

            Oh I do think that dear old Nanny State would be placed
            in a state retirement home, somewhere near the Kunlun mountains of Tibet. We would just thrive without her controlling
            and greedy little habits- Oh sorry, we know she is your favourite relative.
            And thank you, little wasp for all the information, most helpful
            of you.

            • telemachus

              Listen MLB
              We could learn a few lessons from the country in which the mountains of Tibet are located
              I forsee a Great Leap Forward in 2015

              • Colonel Mustard

                The reference to Mao is revealing.

                The Dear Leader, Son of Communist, Heir to Mao scoffs a butty:-

                http://order-order.com/2014/05/21/video-eds-battle-of-the-bacon-butty/

                I foresee disappointment but the schadenfreude will be delicious.

              • Wessex Man

                Listen tele babe, I see great wailing of lost Labour deposits in 2015, I see labour never in power again without their army of Scottish MPs if hopefully our friends in the North vote for indenpendence!

              • Kitty MLB

                Those from Tibet are peaceful and decent people, little wasp
                of ours- get it.

                • telemachus

                  Tibet is not a country MLB
                  *
                  Wasps sting

          • Makroon

            It was interesting to read that India only needs about 570 MPs to ‘look after’ it’s 1.25B inhabitants (and that is with the persistent, dire, heritage of British 1940s Fabian socialist thinking).
            We, however, need 650 for our cossetted 64M (and proportionately, even more in Scotland). Not to mention our great overlord – the EU.
            Europe is a ridiculous and wasteful anomaly in the world, with it’s bloated, welfare-driven, bureaucratic, states.
            It can’t last much longer.

            • Colonel Mustard

              It will only last if they manage to recreate East Germany here, which is of course the intention of nasty little SWP reptiles like telemachus masquerading as Labour. But that, ultimately, won’t last, because socialism of that oppressive and coerced kind never does.

              Look at his trolling and their “arguments”. None of it persuasive. All of it negative and demonising or boastful and arrogant. They are defined only by their hatred and their dog in the manger attitude to governing. “If not us” they say, once thrown out of government, “then no-one” and they have established their nasty shadow government quangocracy and fake charity empire for their werewolf operations to subvert anyone else trying to do their best for the country.

              • you_kid

                East Germany has long arrived here, Colonel. I thought we had been thru’ this yesterday:

                Schools: centralist ineptocrat diktat (Gove)
                Floods: centralist ineptocrat diktat (Paterson)
                Local planning: centralist ineptocrat diktat (Pickles/Boles)
                NHS: centralist ineptocrat diktat (Lansley/Hunt)
                Banks and asset revaluations: centralist ineptocrat diktat (Gidiot)
                Civic freedoms: centralist ineptocrat diktat (May)
                Regurgitating London only issues all the time: all of them

                Need I continue?

                • Wessex Man

                  Well I don’t know about continuing, i wish you had never started are you tele babe’s son? son?

                • you_kid

                  Do I sound like I was in favour of pseudo-socialism? Why do all you chaps have severe issues with semantics?

                  I really don’t get it – is it age? The boarding school upbringing? Life in a bubble? I just cannot put my finger on that one. It is plain obvious what is going on and it is plain obvious what will happen next.

                • Wessex Man

                  so that’s your problem, you’ve never lived in the real world.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  No, its your impenetrable prose which is about as far from “plain obvious” (sic) as it could possibly be.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Because you speak in gibberish and riddles rather than English.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  It’s gibberish. You can always work out a riddle, but gibberish is just gibberish.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Apologies. Reading the gibberish of a gibberish spouting socialist nutter and his sock puppets can do that to you.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  No he has Dalai Guevara, dado Trunking and various other gibberish spouting idiot sock puppets.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Don’t forget the goat sockpuppet. That’s my favorite.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  How can you have a favourite when they are all gibberish spouting idiot socialist nutters?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Well, you make a good point. The clincher was that even the avatar for that sockpuppet was gibberish… which is a rare achievement in gibberish.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  I disagree. Gibberish in any shape or form is as easy as falling off a log for gilt edged socialist nutter like him

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Well, that’s another good point. I guess we’ll chalk it up to the gods of gibberish, who somehow managed to stimulate a portion of gibberish that was gibberish of a particularly elevated level of gibberish, a gibberish that boldly gibberished where no gibberish had gone before.

                • you_kid

                  Got you all lined up nicely there, only 2.5 of you left. What a pitiful spectacle …

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Perchance, are there other of you socialist nuitters who can translate this nutter’s gibberish?

                • Colonel Mustard

                  You think proto-East Germany is the prerogative of the Coalition? Drop those pro-Labour scales from your eyes and see the foundation work done by New Labour from 1997-2010. The Coalition is merely continuing the work – or at least not reversing it.

                  You think another spell of warmed up Brownian New Labour will put things right? More credibility had your targets not been almost exclusively Tory.

                • you_kid

                  Nothing pro-Labour about my scales. You will never get it. Never mind.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  “Britain today is a five plus party state.”

                  Hmm. A five plus party state going on a single party state. All the main parties are just facades for a post-democratic, bureaucratic management structure which is entirely unelected.

            • Wessex Man

              Not to mention our cossetted House of Lords, second only in numbers the the Chinese as an Assembly!

            • ButcombeMan

              And when a lot of the world map was red at the height of UK power, we had a tiny public sector.

            • Inverted Meniscus

              Hear, hear!

            • the viceroy’s gin

              It will last forever if you Camerluvvies have anything to say about it.

          • Wessex Man

            You do talk a load of gibberish nonsense, I’m becoming convinced that you lied to me when you told me you were a one time member of UKip and once stood as a failed candidate for them!

            • telemachus

              Like all UKIP supporters you show worrying evidence of delusions

              • Wessex Man

                delusions, are you trying to say now that my thoughts about you being a lying sc** bag of b**** is right?

              • Colonel Mustard

                You were a failed candidate for UKIP? Was it part of the SWP Long March or a Common Purpose/Great Helmsman thing?

                Or have you been telling porkies again?

              • Tom Allalone

                This from someone who thinks Mao wasn’t a mass murdering sh1tbag who should have been smothered at birth

      • Kitty MLB

        Oh dear little wasp. You clearly do not understand the psyche of the
        labour voter. Issues of race and immigration are a tremendous issues for them. Yet when they speak they are called bigots like lifelong
        Labour supporting Mrs Duffy insultingly was called.
        You may find that most of this country are Eurosceptic, or they would
        be if they knew just how much control the EU have on our everyday
        life and not just immigration. And a government that’s small and more
        power to the people- good heavens- it might catch on.

        • ButcombeMan

          Kitty you fell into the prepared trap.

          The race issue is non issue, it is a smear. do not fall for it.

          It is not race it is numbers.

          • telemachus

            Sanya-Jeet Thandi

            • Colonel Mustard

              Squawks the Lieborg parrot with the one line, one song repertoire that is exceeding tedious.

              Why do you Lieborg cheerleaders jump with such glee on any tiny thing that you think vindicates your nauseous tripe? And yet thrust your big heads so firmly into the sand when evidence of your party’s many sneaky crimes and deceptions reverberate across the land?

      • Colonel Mustard

        “little government” is relative to Labour’s promotion of tax-squeezing FBG and the over mighty state. ‘Reasonable government’ would be a better term and that won’t be delivered by a motley gang of Brown has-beens, lefty loonies and masquerading Stalinist SWP extremists like you. Unfortunately the Cameron-Clegg axis seems as wedded to FBG as your lot.

        Race and immigration “issues” are another reaction to the distortions and misrepresentations of the left. Don’t expect to impose mass, uncontrolled immigration on a small island country for ideological and party political gain without encountering hostility. Calling them “right wing issues” is like poking someone in the eye and then calling their resultant pain and distress their “issue”.

        The right wing would have no “issues” about these things if it wasn’t for the conniving, deceitful and malevolent way the left have engineered them. And strange that in a supposed democracy ‘populist’ should have become such a derogatory term. Without a nasty and out of touch political elite cut from the same privileged, careerist cloth I doubt it would be.

      • Raddiy

        Is paedophiia a left wing issue, as it seems to be very much a Labour/Lib Dem passion. . Is perhaps kiddie fiddling of 4 year olds one of the last great rallying calls of socialism.

        Just asking!!

        • Keith D

          Thats why they love muslims so much

      • ButcombeMan

        Oh Dear.

        Race? Really? can you evidence that? I doubt it.

        Immigration and and “euroscepticism” are not right wing, that is a confection. Uncontrolled Immigration is very much more an issue for traditional Labour voters, As for euroscepticism it has a long established tradition in the Labour party as you should know if you knew anything about the history.

        Little government is just common sense, not left or right. Of course the right pushes it more, because the right has more common sense as you put in evidence every day.

    • John Dalton

      With respect, I wonder why Ms. Hardman keeps bashing out such anti-UKIP propaganda – she must read the comments that her pieces are getting which are all effectively saying the same thing loud and clear: take your head out of the Westminster tittle-tattle bubble and tackle the ISSUES! (Every single one of which UKIP is right on and you all know it!)

      Perhaps it’s now just a case of rubbish UKIP any which way you can. This stuff about some potential Tory defector looking Farage in the eye and seeing the devil himself is just pure schoolgirl nonsense that will persuade none of your readers away form voting for the party that best reflects their concerns – UKIP.

      • telemachus

        are all effectively saying the same thing loud and clear
        *
        Please analyse the posts below that gives the lie to that

        • Fergus Pickering

          They are all by you. That makes 1.

        • Inverted Meniscus

          Says the expert on lying.

      • ButcombeMan

        Hits on the site.

        It is a substitute for proper journalism.

        Try to remember when M/s Hardman produced an article that taught us something, provided new insight, explained an issue.

        You will have trouble.

        There are often wiser remarks from the audience here.

        it is probably an age and experience thing.

        We must not be too unkind. These kids have to learn their trade.

      • Kerr Mudgeon

        Why would you suppose that anyone who fancies herself as a journalist would waste her time reading comments posted to her blog?

    • Denis_Cooper

      Let us recall that on May 9th 2010 the outgoing Chancellor was Darling and the incoming Chancellor was Osborne, and it is well known that Darling contacted Osborne and consulted him about the plan for an illegal bailout of Greece:

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/7697471/Alistair-Darling-trapped-in-euro-deal.html

      http://www.theguardian.com/business/2010/may/09/alistair-darling-eu-rescue-plan

      But instead of telling Darling that he would have a duty to repudiate any agreement which breached the EU treaties, and therefore also breached our national law unless Parliament expressly approved it in contravention of those treaties, Osborne went along with it.

      Later, Cameron agreed to Merkel’s demand for an EU treaty change to provide a legal basis for eurozone bailouts, but asked for nothing in return; she first made that demand in the summer of 2010, and the treaty change was formalised in European Council Decision 2011/199/EU of March 25th 2011, to which the Tory MP Mark Reckless was referring on October 24th 2011 when he said to Cameron at Column 36 here:

      http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmhansrd/cm111024/debtext/111024-0001.htm

      “The Prime Minister tells The Daily Telegraph today that we should use any treaty change to shore up the euro to get powers over employment and social policy back, yet on 25 March, he agreed to precisely such a treaty change, but did not ask for anything in return.”

      To which Cameron replied that:

      “The very limited treaty change that is about to be debated in, and hopefully passed by, the House of Commons, gets us out of the bail-out mechanism that the previous Government got us into.”

      When

      a) Osborne had agreed to our participation in that illegal mechanism to preserve the eurozone intact, just as much as Darling had agreed to it; and

      b) the treaty change only sought to legitimise future bail-outs and there was nothing in it to prevent the UK being dragged into those bailouts; that has just been the governments of the eurozone states graciously agreeing not to include us in the future, there is no legal bar to that happening; and

      c) we were still stuck with contributing to eurozone bailouts indirectly through the IMF.

      Moreover, Hague used fine print that he had deliberately inserted into in his so-called “referendum lock” law to prevent us having a referendum on that EU treaty change; indeed hardly anybody in the wider public even knew about its existence because of a virtual media blackout.

      Later, Cameron and others pretended that he had “repatriated the bailout power”, when in reality there had never been any “bailout power” to be repatriated; for example, Hunt a year ago here:

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10066804/Stop-being-defeatist-about-Europe-Jeremy-Hunt-tells-Tory-colleages.html

      “”Don’t underestimate David Cameron,” he said … People said he couldn’t repatriate powers from Europe. he got us out of the bailout for the euro which has saved the country billions … ”

      It’s been lies and deceit all the way.

      • HookesLaw

        The amendment made legal the ability of the Eurozone countries to create an inter-governemntal treaty under european law.
        A separate treaty among the eurozone states — the Treaty Establishing the European Stability Mechanism — was agreed. The Eurozone has nothing to do with us. We helped prevent an even bigger collapse which would have further ruined our own economy and also as a result of this we are not responsible for bailing out the Eurozone.

        What a sad paranoid gimp you are.

        • Wessex Man

          What an outragous liar you are, to save the Eurzone by majority voting we now have the Transaction tax imposed on us and are three and a half billion down already bailing out the euro. What is it with liars like you. Has call me Dave offered you a Knighthood for services to the European mightmare?

        • Denis_Cooper

          “The amendment made legal the ability of the Eurozone countries to create an inter-governemntal treaty under european law.”

          So you admit that before that amendment of the EU treaties came into force the eurozone bailouts were illegal.

          Now explain why Osborne agreed to go along with something that was illegal, rather than upholding the rule of law as he is required to do as a minister.

      • Mark Myword

        Try to explaining this on the doorstep – on second thoughts perhaps don’t bother.

        • telemachus

          All that is necessary on the doorstep is a few questions about manging with the increased cost of living
          *
          And then providing the simple solution

          • ButcombeMan

            Be a good idea to do that on Milliband’s doorstep, plainly he has no concept of the cost of a family shopping cart.

        • Denis_Cooper

          Not easy when the media agreed not to discuss it, and in the case of the Telegraph silently vaporised comments about it.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        Nicely collected, and truly damning.

      • Tim Reed

        This comment has more quality than most of the articles at this site nowadays.

    • The_Missing_Think

      BBC Radio 4 21 May 2014 (8:10).

      John Humphries, raises the point of joint candidates at 2:17.17.

      Whole thing starts at 2:10.15.

    • http://semipartisansam.com/ SemiPartisanSam

      Agreed. The idea that a vote for UKIP is somehow a vote for more regulation and government interference in markets is ludicrous and patently false.

  • Barakzai

    Canny tactics, Mr Farage.

    Given electoral arithmetic and Labour’s captive vote share, the best the Tories can hope for after the GE is to form a minority government. If UKIP does as well as predicted in this week’s elections – and they can win a Westminster seat in the next year – then it’s squeaky-bum time for the Conservatives, both the party hierarchy and individual MP’s who feel that without some ‘arrangement’ with UKIP they’ll lose their seats.

    Whatever happens, I expect Mr Cameron to misjudge matters.

    • telemachus

      You forget that Farage’s main role in 2015 is to split the Tory vote in the 43 marginals and deliver these 43 to Labour ensuring a majority Labour Government
      *
      UKIP is simply the 1989 Green Party Protest vote

      • Colonel Mustard

        You forget that a week is a long time in politics. Political tectonic plates are stirring. Your great con is being rumbled, little by little, every day. You can bluster and boast but the genie is out of the bottle. The more you push your deceptions the angrier people will get.

        • telemachus

          Forget smearing
          The coalition are hated
          Ed Miliband, Ed Balls, Andy and Yvette are the breath of fresh air representing the future
          As noted Farage is there simply to deliver the 43 Tory marginals

          • Kitty MLB

            Deluded, your so open minded that your brains
            have fallen out.The country is on the mend,
            and Labour have said they know that the
            Conservatives have got their act together.
            But yes, the word coalition with its thoughts
            of Lib Dems can be quite terrifying.

            • Mynydd

              How come the country is on the mend. When Mr Cameron came to power, GDP was growing at 1% per quarter, now it’s 0.8%, to me that’s going backwards. In 2010 Mr Cameron said he would balance the books by 2015 now in his long term plan the books will be balanced by 2020, that means there will be five more years of increasing national debt. Some act that, with or without the Lin Dems.

              • Colonel Mustard
              • Inverted Meniscus

                Telling the same lies over and over again will not make them true. Pumping up the economy with borrowed money meant that Fascist Labour left office with a £168 billion structural deficit and a 7.4% contraction of the economy.

          • Colonel Mustard

            The coalition might be hated but don’t make the arrogant assumption that means Labour aren’t.

            There is nothing “fresh” about Miliband, Balls or Cooper. They are the third rate has-beens and left overs from the odious Brown’s New Labour rump government, thoroughly discredited by all reasonable thinking people. ‘Stale’ would be the description that comes to mind. Like your constant tedious repetitions of hubris. A constant reminder that the most brainwashed lefties think it is sufficient to say something often enough for it to come to pass.

            • Wessex Man

              Colonel, if you want a good belly laugh check out Ed Miliband’s CARCRASH RADIO INTERVIWEW with Radio Wiltshire and didn’t even know the leader of Swindon’s name!

          • Bill_der_Berg

            Ed Milliband is a breath of fresh air? The voters do not find him invigorating

            “.Ed Miliband makes four out of 10 people less likely to vote Labour, according to a ComRes survey for The Independent”.

          • ButcombeMan

            Balls is ridiculous.

            Milliband is considering moving him, even as we write.

            • telemachus

              Miliband will have to be double quick
              Balls Burnham and Yvette will get rid of Miliband after the election

              • ButcombeMan

                Which election?

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Those three demonstrate all the freshness of a toilet in a busy Glasgow pub which has not been flushed since 1933. On second thoughts such a receptacle would smell like the sweetest flower compared to those three rotting scumbags.

            • telemachus

              They command respect

              • Inverted Meniscus

                They require wiping away with toilet paper.

              • Colonel Mustard

                Respect, my little top-down totalitarian Maoist flower, has to be earned rather than commanded.

                They are the dregs of Blair Brown malevolence and you are their squeaky familiar running hither and thither singing their praises and wasting your breath.

        • Mynydd

          Please stop writing about Mr Cameron in such terms, you know he will be upset.

          • Colonel Mustard

            I’ll write what I like without leave from you.

          • Wessex Man

            HUR, HUr, hur, what a card, what a joker you are.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Imbecile. How very Fascist Labour to tell people what they can and cannot write.

        • Makroon

          True, but as Tele says, UKIP is perfectly willing and probably able, to ensure that Labour “slither back into government”.

          • ButcombeMan

            Indeed it is. If it has to happen, it has to. LibLabCon must be made to listen.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            …well, you best not split the UKIP vote then, lad.

          • telemachus

            March triumphantly

            • Colonel Mustard

              Long March sneakily. Oppress boastfully. Smug with it.

      • Raddiy

        I think you need to start worrying about the disappearing support out there for your paedo supporting friends, Ms Harman and company.

    • Makroon

      ‘Canny tactics’ ? No, just the same old tired opportunism.
      As Hardman implies, this was a stunt from a few years ago, whose time has long gone.
      The UKIP ‘message’, which used to be crystal-clear – EU exit, has long since become hopelessly muddled (does anyone actually know what their policy on immigrants is, apart from generalised xenophobic dog-whistling ?)
      UKIP is drawing disaffected Labour voters, who are probably more interested in immigrant-bashing than EU exit. It’s a mess.
      For every ‘agreement’ with a Tory MP, Farage would be under pressure to have an agreement with a Labour MP – these would prove to be rarer than hen’s teeth.

      • Barakzai

        Above all else, I don’t want the country to be subjected to more Labour profligacy after the next GE. But we’re headed that way unless many more voters choose Cameron next year. Do you think that’ll happen? I don’t, and therefore those who now favour UKIP in protest at where LibLabCon have brought us – and are intent on going – need to be accommodated somehow by the Tories. Cameron doesn’t get it, but Osborne might.

      • Wessex Man

        if you took time off from Ukip bashing for five minutes and listened and I know that’s hard for a rabid piece of work like you, you would know that UKip is not against managed immigration provided it benefits the country!

    • Wessex Man

      seats, not seat!

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