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It’s easier to win an argument with Ukip if you admit it’s not a racist party

9 May 2014

11:27 AM

9 May 2014

11:27 AM

There have been one or two calls to brand Ukip a racist party, and some media debate about whether it is. But what’s become clear during the last fortnight is that there is a strong, cross-party consensus both that Ukip isn’t a ‘racist party’ – and that it must get better at keeping out individuals that hold racist views.

On debates such as the BBC’s Question Time, you can clearly see that this consensus has extended across the front and backbenches of the different parties. Just one or two MPs take a different view. Labour left-winger Diane Abbott told the BBC that she did not regard Ukip as racist but saw it as having US ‘tea party’ tendencies.

There are good reasons why the general public, the media and his political rivals treat Nigel Farage differently to Nick Griffin. Ukip does not have extremist roots. It was founded to get Britain out of Europe, a legitimate cause. But an anti-EU party which campaigns to end EU free movement will attract both legitimate voices for that cause, and those who have more virulent and toxic motives.

Claiming that Ukip is just the BNP in blazers doesn’t work – because it isn’t credible with the public, the media or the mainstream parties.

A better challenge to prejudice within Ukip would be to welcome the fact that Nigel Farage does not want to lead a racist and toxic party like the BNP. Since they have attracted some of the same people, Ukip’s willingness and ability to police the boundary seriously becomes a test of Nigel Farage’s leadership and credibility. It is precisely because UKIP is not considered a racist party that it makes sense to call on Nigel Farage to kick racists out of Ukip. Nobody has ever bothered to challenge Nick Griffin to kick racists out of the BNP. What would be the point? There would be nobody left.

As the final, fatal demise of the BNP this month will exemplify, Nigel Farage knows that no party which does not accept that black and Asian citizens are equally British will get ahead in the Britain of 2014.

Nigel Farage has promised he’d clean up Ukip’s act. He’s expelled people who have been caught, but needs to do much more to keep his promise to properly vet his candidates so that he gets embarrassed less often. He should also take more responsibility for Ukip’s local campaigns that fall on the wrong side of any reasonable democratic debate.

Its important that we debate how to manage immigration effectively. But Nigel Farage should promise that there will be no more Ukip leaflets comparing British people to Native Americans who ‘didn’t worry about immigration and now live on a reservation’.

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Nigel Farage needs to tell Ukip candidates and local parties that voicing extreme slogans like ‘no more mosques’ is unacceptable. It’s a view that falls on the wrong side of the British tradition of religious freedom. It also voices a prejudice which makes British Muslim integration harder to achieve.

After all, if Nigel Farage is serious about his side having a chance in a future EU referendum, he will need to do much more to broaden his support. Ukip’s vote is overwhelming over-65, strongly male and 99.5 per cent white. That looks like a surefire way to lose an EU referendum where you need to appeal to over half of the British people, even if it could win a low turnout European Election – where 15 million General Election voters stay at home.

As committed Eurosceptics Douglas Carswell MP and Dan Hannan MEP have argued, persuading over half of the British people that we’d be ‘Better Off Out’ would be quite impossible were a campaign to offer nothing but anger and pessimism about what has changed over the last half century.

So rather than calling Ukip racist, we should be clear about the boundaries and norms which its claim to be a mainstream party depends upon. We should be confident about protecting these norms – and about Ukip’s need to adopt them too.

One blogger recently claimed that anti-prejudice norms had retreated fifty years in the last fortnight. This simply isn’t the case.

There is no chance of a timewarp back to 1964. The reduction in racial prejudice in Britain is not the type of shift that could so easily be reversed. Media commentators are particularly prone to overstate the importance of specific news events. In the long run, prejudice norms are more like values than attitudes. It seems intuitively natural to worry, for example, that levels of prejudice might rise in harder economic times, but the attitudes data shows no evidence that has happened since 2008.

That’s why Ukip has had to ditch and expel candidates who have made racist statements – because voicing such views is repulsive to all but the most extreme fringe of voters.

At the same time, many potential Ukip voters agree with Nigel Farage’s claim that charges of racism have been used too loosely, too quickly, and too often to close down debate about immigration.

It is important, therefore, to make clear that we must talk about immigration but that we should do so without prejudice or scaremongering. This will help secure the broadest possible coalition for keeping racism out of the public debate.

Appeals to xenophobia in Ukip’s language should be countered and challenged – while always taking care not to reinforce claims that legitimate debates about immigration are being closed down.

Shouting Ukip down as a racist party risks reinforcing one of their most effective claims with target voters: that legitimate issues, which need talking about, are being swept under the carpet.

Ukip’s vulnerability is different: ‘You can’t still be complaining that people can’t talk about immigration – we’re all talking about it now. You are good at the grievances, but I don’t suppose you’ve got any answers too?’

If Nigel Farage wins the European Elections, it would be odd to try to deny that he has a legitimate democratic voice. The better question is whether he is ready for prime-time, or whether a protest vote in 2014 will be his peak.

Ukip’s political opponents will, and should, continue to expose extremists within its ranks. But they should realise that this will never be a knock-out blow.

What would make most difference is mainstream political voices showing how anxieties about identity and immigration can be addressed, constructively and fairly, in a way that does not scapegoat people or stir up prejudices.

Sunder Katwala is director of British Future. Follow him on Twitter @Sundersays

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  • Conway

    Eventually the people will own the word “racism” themselves. What will the bien pensant chatterati do then?

  • Mike

    For an article claiming that UKIP is not really racist its peculiar that the word “racist’ appears no less than 12 times. Is this a not very subtle mind game that’s being played to sub-consciously link the word racist and UKIP ?

    The problem still remains that genuine vocal concerns are made over the destruction of the predominant culture & society are still be labelled as racist comment. All countries around the world try and retain their culture and some like Saudi or Iran will go to inordinate lengths to make it illegal to practice other benign cultures under fear of death. We don’t hear journos labeling those countries as being racist but an objection to another mosque or being force fed halal meat without our knowledge immediately brings out the race card.

    When real racist groups are targeted by the main stream media then we can say the playing field is level but for now, UKIP is still being smeared in a racist manner by opposing political parties and their friends in the media.

  • cartimandua

    Just ask all the main parties what their “population policy” is? Oil will not get cheaper.
    Pockmarking food producing land with ever increasing fracking wells will not sort it out.
    Fracking competes with food production for water. There is one water cleaning plant in the USA which works to clean used fracking water just one and it is expensive.

  • jamesbarn

    I think that the comments the media try to smear Helmer and UKIP with are silly. I am an old man, older in fact than Helmer and I grew up in a society that was very much anti homosexual. In fact those who practiced it were often in receipt of a custodial sentence if caught. Murderers were summarily hanged and hooligans were birched. Having grown up under a society who’s laws on these issues were never questioned and were subsequently the standards set by which society functioned it is hardly surprising that many still hold these values. To expect anyone to change their beliefs as to what is or is not acceptable in society on the basis of liberalisation is as silly as expecting a devout Catholic or Muslim to deny their religious beliefs due to a change of government. Those bought up in today’s society would be outraged if societies rules under which I grew up were re-imposed, would they too be called bigots for failing to tow the new political line?

  • jamesbarn

    I think pollsters are perhaps seeing too much in past results and applying them to comfortable predictions for 2015. Two years ago UKIP was only seen as a small irrelevant political party inhabited by such a small number of the electorate that the media and other parties could insult and ridicule with impunity. However since the last GE when UKIP polled only 3% there has been and is a fast growing resentment about immigration and our creeping loss of sovereignty to Brussels. This resentment has been transformed after Farage took apart Clegg’s arguments in the TV debates. The general public now know beyond any doubt and regardless of Cameron’s ultra spin that a) he cannot control our borders and b) he cannot deny benefits to anyone from the EU or for that matter anywhere else. They also realise that this unprecedented and uncontrollable rise in immigration has overloaded our schools social housing and NHS not to mention the fierce competition in the jobs market. Cameron has claimed in the last couple of days to have cut immigration and it is this propensity he has to assume that the electorate are stupid that turns many against his party. The Internet now is a means whereby the truth is available as never before and the political elite are exposed. Yes there may well be some who return to their old allegiances in 2015 but there is nothing to even remotely suggest that the growth of UKIP support will slow. No one even UKIP themselves were prepared for their spectacular rise in popularity or even dreamed of the possibility they could win a national election. The disregard of UKIP’s influence in the 2015 GE is I fear based more on hope than reality. If the orchestrated smear campaign is failing (which it undoubtedly is) then one could ask what would be the catalyst to turn voters against UKIP and expect them to vote for the politics they are abandoning today en-mass?
    Interesting time ahead I think.

  • cartimandua

    I heard something awful today. A middle aged woman at a local Ukip meeting had been to a meeting in London. The “anti fascists” outside had abused ethnic minority Ukip speakers very badly indeed on their way in.
    They accused ethnic minority people of being racist and abused them.
    Arent they luuvly the UAF?(not).

  • Right-Minded

    The more they throw false racist claims at UKIP, the more it has to move towards the centre, that’s why the mainstream powers that be do it. They’re slowly turning UKIP into a replica of the current tory party.

  • sarahsmith232

    Sunder Katwala, luvie. Surely you wrote this incorrectly ‘accept that black and Asian citizens are equally British’. There’s a difference between ‘are’ and ‘can’, the word you should have been using, surely, is ‘can’.
    Most black and Asian’s are not British. Check last weeks Channel4 News discussion with a muslim 2nd gen’ African and a 3rd gen’ Indian. The muslim saying that if he absolutely has to tick a British tick box on a form it makes him feel physically sick. The Indian girl saying that she’s Indian first and foremost, then Brit’ after, but only when it’s non-white Brit’ and associated with London’s ‘multi-ethnic’, ‘international’ Brit identity. Neither are British, obviously, so it’s ridiculous to say that they are ‘equally British’, they certainly and obviously are not. The correct sentence would have been ‘accept that black and Asian citizens CAN be equally British’ ’cause at the moment it’s not a Ukip voting white English person that’s acting as a block to that, it’s themselves.
    What’s the reason why? It’s cause they’re having their identities shaped for them by the Left dominated media. This describes white England to them in a way which has led them to believe that most people are backward, thick, racist, fascist and is out to get them at every turn due to our inbred degeneracy. Check Abbott the second she opens her mouth about ‘the white’, she has a now decades long history of spectacular, narrow minded, idiocy on the matter. They get to define themselves against a white caricature so it becomes really v.easy for them to see themselves as superior. They’re never challenged on this ’cause people screech racism the second you describe a non-white social type in negative terms. So, basically, they become very ignorant people. Abbott is a stupidly ignorant and narrow minded person, she’ll need to have this explained to her, she’ll never be able to see it for herself. She easily gets to dismiss a right-wing publication doing that, she how about a left-wing think-tank having a go? Surely long overdue Katwala?

  • Bill_der_Berg

    An interesting statistic.

    “What is interesting and perhaps counter-intuitive is that there is also substantial opposition to immigration from ethnic and religious minorities. In data compiled by Birkbeck College academics Eric Kaufman and Gareth Harris from Citizenship Surveys for 2007-2011 for the Demos think-tank, 77 percent of UK-born Sikhs, 65 percent of UK-born Hindus and 55 percent of UK-born Muslims want to reduce immigration; though these are significant majorities, they are lower than the 83 percent of UK-born white British who want to reduce immigration. There was no significant difference along class lines”.

    • sarahsmith232

      Abbott in ’96 wanted immigration reduced. This was ’cause it was white, middle-class, educated and affluent immigration from Western Europe. She used her position as Hackney MP to protest against large numbers of Finnish nurses getting jobs in her local hospital. She was hostile because she believed that they were culturally and ethnically unsuitable, she wanted to see the Tory gov’ bring in Caribbean black nurses instead.
      Hardly surprising that non-white Brits are now hostile when there’s been so many white Europeans entering the country. Every time I see an Indian Brit’ talking about why they support Ukip it’s always ’cause Ukip want to block an open-door to Europe in favour of a highly skilled Indians. No different from Abbott in the 90s, pro when it favours her own, hostile when it’s letting in ‘the white’. Abbott has never been challenged on this which, as a leading Labour pro voice, is scandalous.

      • Bill_der_Berg

        I had forgotten about Dianne Abbott and the Finns. Guyana born Trevor Phillips was not too happy either, when it was decided to lift the ban on the admission of Poles and some other East Europeans. His excuse was that the Poles would be racist towards existing ethnic minorities, although not everybody believed that that was the real reason.

        • sarahsmith232

          Interesting, don’t suppose you’ve got any idea about where he said this? Was that in an article or something? Thanks for the info’, I’ll have to see if I can find it somewhere.

          • Bill_der_Berg

            This is from the Metro free London paper dated 23 October 2006.

            “Britain faces a wave of white racists flooding in from Eastern Europe, the head of the race relations watchdog has warned.

            Speaking about the tensions in British communities, Trevor Phillips said many arrivals from former Soviet countries displayed prejudice against black people.

            Debate over Muslim dress could trigger riots, race chief warns

            ‘Some eastern European people have attitudes to black people that date back to the Fifties,’ he told BBC television. ‘And that is not acceptable.’

            His warning came as Home Secretary John Reid prepared to impose curbs on immigration from Romania and Bulgaria when the two countries join the EU in January”

            • sarahsmith232

              Thanks for that. Well, isn’t that just so typical! Only ever pro when it’s of benefit to them, simple as that. Beyond belief that Abbott still gets to harp on about being so pro, the woman will actually believe it as well. How on earth she can square this was her previous hostility when it was immigration by ‘the white’ I really don’t know. Thanks again for that.

              • Bill_der_Berg

                It is a reminder that despite all the jibes about ‘Little Englanders’ and ‘Isolationsists’ the main argument for immigration is based on self-interest .’ Immigration is good for the economy’ and so on.

                Abbott had to come up with a new pretext for furthering the interests of her constituents.

        • TheVoiceofReasonII

          So? Everyone knows Poles are very racist.

      • Bill_der_Berg

        “Abbott has never been challenged on this…”
        That’s probably because there were no Finnish voters and quite a few Black ones.

    • cartimandua

      Its not counterintuitive at all. They are who will be displaced for work by a new wave of migration.

  • cartimandua

    Obsessing about race just isn’t necessary. What is that we look after all those here now and that means managing population and getting it better in balance with resources.

    • Bill_der_Berg

      “What is that we look after all those here now…”

      Is that realistic when there is free movement of labour?

      • cartimandua

        No it isn’t and every new wave undercuts the poorest youngest and the people who arrived in the last wave.

  • Martin Jennerson

    “What would make most difference is mainstream political voices showing
    how anxieties about identity and immigration can be addressed,
    constructively and fairly, in a way that does not scapegoat people or
    stir up prejudices.”

    Well that’s just not going to be possible. How could you possibly do this?

  • Conway

    Ukip’s vote is overwhelming over-65, strongly male and 99.5 per cent white” What proportion of the overall population is male, over 65 and white?

    • BBC Farage

      Some 4 million.

  • berosos_bubos

    A charge of racism is impossible to disprove because it is a thought-crime. Playing the left at their own game will never lead to enlightenment.

  • wilfulsprite

    Fair enough.
    So are the other parties going to have to do the same thing?

  • Raddiy

    Thank you kindly for your advice, but no thanks.

    We know who we are, and what are values are, we don’t need lessons from those who have conspired for years to deprive us and the wider British population of a voice to express those views.

    No we are not racist, nor are we homophobic, misogynists or any of the other numerous insulting terms that have been thrown at as. We are ordinary people proud of our country and our culture, and we intend to take the power back to decide our own destiny. You have tried your best, and been found wanting because the British people could see right through, so now you change strategy and attempt to bring us inside the tent. Your tent, your strategy, not ours.

    We will continue on our journey fighting for our values, not your values, how dare you suggest because you are losing the war, we should somehow now comply to your devalued PC standards.

    We will not compromise to become a part of the establishment, we will take back what has been stolen from us on our terms, whether it affects your sensibilities or not. We are not looking for a few crumbs to eat at your table, we intend to take ownership of the table however long it takes.

    • cartimandua

      Being anti gay marriage was a hideous mistake. It does not support freedom of belief and it totally alienates anyone not a white male over 65.
      Young people just get turned right off.

      • Bill_der_Berg

        Nigel Farage is not opposed to gay marriage, but he does not want to see clerics being compelled by law to perform gay marriage services, a situation which could arise under human rights legislation.

        • cartimandua

          We need out of that legislation and out of the EU.
          Since Catholics have never “had to” marry divorced people no matter how abused they had been that is a huge red herring.
          Who would ever spend a fortune and the happiest day of their lives “making” a cleric who hated them officiate?
          Its BS. Its complete rubbish

          • Bill_der_Berg

            “Who would ever spend a fortune and the happiest day of their lives “making” a cleric who hated them officiate?”

            Committed campaigners could well go for a test case in order to establish a precedent.

            • cartimandua

              Then where are all the “test cases” of abused divorced people refused by their nasty churches?

              • Bill_der_Berg

                Abused divorced people have not formed themselves into a campaigning group in order to advance their interests as they see them.

                • cartimandua

                  There have been no test cases. Its an absurd idea that people would spend a fortune and ruin the most important day in their adult lives just so they could be married by someone who despised them.
                  Its nuts and it just shows how you don’t think gay people are really human beings.

                • Bill_der_Berg

                  I was pointing out that you have misrepresented Nigel Farage’s views.

                • cartimandua

                  Ukip should not have had a “view” at all. This is not something the State should decide. The problem is it has put off every young person in the land. Its all they hear.

                • Bill_der_Berg

                  I saw the debate with Nick Clegg. There was a question from the audience about the Clegg’s and Farage’s attitude to gay marriage and both replied.

      • Raddiy

        ” Being anti gay marriage was a hideous mistake. It does not support
        freedom of belief and it totally alienates anyone not a white male over
        65.
        Young people just get turned right off”

        Whose freedom, whose beliefs.?
        Which young people. Devout christians or devout muslims perhaps?

        I am ambivalent about SSM, but I do remember when civil partnerships were made legal, which to all intents gives the same rights as a ‘marriage’, the gay community indicated they were happy. Or at least they were until the minority zealots in the gay community decided to rack up the political pressure, and I have no doubt in due course somebody will persue a case against a church for refusing to conduct gay marriages.

        If you constantly appease pressure groups with narrow political agendas, you end up with the worst of all worlds

        A democracy should respect the views of all, and aim to govern with the views of the majority taking precedence.

        I wonder what your views are on the regular massive majority across the public in opinion polls for the return of capital punishment. Paraphasing your statement, if capital punishment attracts nearly all those aged over 10, then it should be brought back immediately.

        • cartimandua

          Its not “pressure groups” it is everyone under the age of 60.
          I went to a UKIP meeting today and was the youngest person there apart from my daughter. I wanted her to engage with the political process.
          My teenage daughter with me wouldn’t touch Ukip with a barge pole “because they are against gay marriage”.
          It matters to all the young that all their peers should not told they are second class people if they turn out to be gay.
          They just do not know what the old buffers are on about and that is what they hear and understand.
          They don’t “hear” an anti federal EU message they “hear” Ukip doesn’t like gay people.
          Believe me the local kippers I saw today were so old they all had one foot in a care home.
          The party will die and I thought Ukip was to be about personal freedom and small State.
          Apart from guaranteeing the freedom of belief for faith groups who want to offer gay marriage “its not our business” would have been a good reply.

  • john king

    Oh well…. It’s official then..I’m a racist.

  • Mr Creosote

    “Ukip’s vote is overwhelming over-65, strongly male and 99.5 per cent white. ”

    Arrant nonsense, you clearly were not watching QT last night where the main defender of Nigel Farage was none of these things.

    • BBC Farage

      Good point! UKiP has very good support among young Commonwealth would be immigrants, like this guy:

      “uk made biggest mistake of taking poor like polish into european union.. now they are paying the price. most eastern european population is uneducated and likely to do NMW jobs like cleaner, waiter, driver etc they can never compete asian qualified graduates and post graduates youth.”

      “I think 60% of polish population must have been migrated to britain to take up poorly paid jobs . Situation of eastern european countries is far worst than countries like bangladesh , pakistan etc… know body thought they were so desperate to work in uk for nationa m wage .. foolishness..”

      • Bill_der_Berg

        Where did you find that quote?

        • BBC Farage

          There are thousands just like that all over the internet. Big fans of Farage. (are you looking for a new spokesman, or what?)

          • Bill_der_Berg

            If I may, where did you find those particular quotes? I’m interested in the sources’ alleged links with UKIP..

            • BBC Farage

              ‘alleged links’ … you must be kidding

              • Bill_der_Berg

                Not at all. Still no sources, I see.

                • BBC Farage

                  Do your own research. Have another one, its from someone of Pakistani origin:

                  Stinking Polish b***** get the f*** out of the UK. Once we get out of europe were all gonna kick you out and taking all our jobs back. VOTE UKIP Party thats only way to get rid of these polish racist f**** and getting our jobs back. Poland robbed England and all polish people work in england and take easy benefits and sends all the money to poland

                • Bill_der_Berg

                  Sounds like a member of the Labour Party.

                • TheVoiceofReasonII

                  That is highly ironic (if true) since Pakistanis are the most racist people on the face of the earth.

          • Wessex Man

            No just you to tell the truth for once.

      • TheVoiceofReasonII

        I doubt the person who wrote that is “qualified” or “post graduates” 🙂

  • HookesLaw

    It’s easy to win an argument with UKIP, full stop.
    Its impossible to convive bigots nutjobs and cultists.

    UKIP peddle a big lie – that leaving the EU would be any different to beiong in it. It would not. We would still havce to agree to single market rules and free movement of labour just like Norway with the added danger of being forced into Schengen.
    The kipper cultists are not interested in facing reality. The reason for this is of course that they are they really are so bigoted.

    • saffrin

      You need to stop posting lies Hooky. When we leave the EU we make our own rules and the EU have NO say in it at all.
      You need to broaden your outlook, the EU isn’t the entire world you know. There are plenty of countries we can and will trade with.

    • BBC Farage

      What’s wrong with shengen? (just asking like … )

      • Wessex Man

        if you don’t know that you should carry on reading your comics.

    • Denis_Cooper

      So what about China?

      Is it the same thing, China must obey all EU laws and allow unrestricted immigration from the EU?

    • Denis_Cooper

      So what about Brazil?

      Is it the same thing, Brazil must obey all EU laws and allow unrestricted immigration from the EU?

      • BBC Farage

        Brazil did not let Glaxo, Tesco, Provident, Mittal, Cadbury and thousands of others to ‘privatise’ their national companies for a farthing.

        • Wessex Man

          no that’s true, it was New Labour and Tory-Lib/dums that did that!

    • ButcombeMan

      Leaving the EU would not mean we had to accept free movement of Labour, what twaddle.

      We can succesfully trade with Europe under WTO rules.

    • Denis_Cooper

      So what about Australia?

      Is it the same thing, Australia must obey all EU laws and allow unrestricted immigration from the EU?

    • Tony_E

      It would be massively different. we could regulate our own trade rules in dealings with the rest of the world, our own Labour laws, our own financial laws. Most of all, we would regulate immigration & welfare – equality of citizens of the EU would not be at issue, and we would be free of the European court of Human Rights. European countries would not have the right to extradite Englishmen to their rotten justice systems without prima facie evidence. Our laws would be mostly our own, our parliament would again be sovereign, our farmers and fishermen would be free of the CAP and CFP, our foreign policy would no longer be tied to the ideals of the Commission.

      The only thing we would have to do is what the USA and China do when they deal with the EU – produce items which fit into their product regulations.

      Make a substantive argument for staying in, don’t try to blind people with Bull###t

    • Denis_Cooper

      Celebrating Europe Day, are you? If not, why not?

      http://order-order.com/2014/05/09/happy-europe-day/

      “May 9th, 2014

      Happy Europe Day!

      UKIP will be delighted that the slogan for today’s Europe Day celebrations is “EU Open Doors”. Guido has yet to see the bunting be rolled in street parties across Britain, though according the EU’s website they are rather bizarrely marking the occasion in Venezuela, Mozambique and Swaziland. The whole thing is costing taxpayers €2 million, though for what only Herman van Rompuy knows. Alan Murad of Get Britain Out ain’t wrong:

      “It is a slap in the face for taxpayers that the EU is wasting their money on vanity propaganda campaigns in places as far away as Venezuela, Mozambique and Swaziland! There is some irony the EU is now so unpopular in Europe that they have to go to a South American dictatorship to celebrate its very existence.”

      Guido is off for a rioja…”

    • Wessex Man

      Oh dear please explain your views about your Ex-Mayor of Swindon and disabled people and Danny Mayzes comments about Vigilantes and immigrants you hypocrite.

  • Denis_Cooper

    “Shouting Ukip down as a racist party risks reinforcing one of their most effective claims with target voters: that legitimate issues, which need talking about, are being swept under the carpet.”

    And what about a Labour MP, a Tory MP, a LibDem peer and the Green MP all joining together to shout down Nigel Farage last night at the end of Question Time, and not on anything to do with race but on the European Commission having the final say on the Pfizer bid for AstraZeneca?

    Is that still OK in the eyes of the author?

    And what about painting over UKIP billboards, is that OK?

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/08/ukip-billboard-poster-international-grey-paint

    Or hitting Farage over the head with a placard, is that OK?

    Or should anti-UKIP protest be limited to just hitting him with eggs, or standing around him threatening him and shouting abuse in his face, or disrupting his public meetings?

    The hypocrisy of the author makes me sick; he has no interest in democracy or in free speech, he’s just interested in getting his own way by any means.

    • saffrin

      The author is in it for the money.
      The EU’s annual £22 billion propaganda fund has to be spent somewhere.
      They bought the Irish press, the Irish church and the little people with a £9 billion bribe post first Lisbon treaty which is why the second went Yes.

      • Captain Pugwash

        Good point. At the time I was working in the Republic of Ireland. Post Lisbon 1, all the bribery and dodgy trade activities stopped and we were running with considerably less cargo. It came back in droves after Lisbon 2 vote. Quite sinister I thought, the hold the EUSSR has over nations. The other very sinister think has been the media/liblabcon take on UKIP. They are a legitimate party with legitimate views and should be treated as such.

        • saffrin

          I’m alf expecting to read the EU has closed the Swiss borders in retaliation to their referendum regards immigration.
          Switzerland could become the next Berlin, being landlocked with EUSSR borders

    • ButcombeMan

      “what about a Labour MP, a Tory MP, a LibDem peer and the Green MP all
      joining together to shout down Nigel Farage last night at the end of
      Question Time, and not on anything to do with race but on the European
      Commission having the final say on the Pfizer bid for AstraZeneca?”

      That is a very good point, even Baroness Williams engaged in it and Dimbleby allowing it. An utter disgrace. A certain vote winner for UKIP.

      • Bill Brinsmead

        Even Shirley Williams?

        She is dishonest, dissembles and tells porkies – but in a most engaging patrician way.

        Don’t make them like her anymore.

        • Wessex Man

          Thank the lord thank the Lord!

  • you_kid

    QT exposed it all last night.
    The EU elections matter not. What matters is the GE in 2015. The following has become blatantly obvious after watching the programme:

    The Libdems are toast and disgraced.
    The Tories are toast.
    The UKIP will split the vote on the right.
    The Greens will get the female vote and those conservative green votes as the Tories never delivered.
    Labour will win most seats (with or without Scotland) but not enough to govern.

    All this will lead to the most likely outcome:
    A GREEN LABOUR coalition (!)

    • saffrin

      What the BBC exposed was yet more bias reporting.
      I watched QT last night and recorded it.
      On BBC talk radio last night I’m listening to a presenter claiming QT was electric with the main debate being about Europe and immigration.
      The presenter played the Green lady’s comments that included the list of what the EU has done for us with fanatical applause to follow.
      I thought she didn’t get that much support so when I got home this morning I watched the recording.
      The BBC’s thought police blasted piped applause down the airwaves last night in their attempt to influence the people about something that never was.

      • you_kid

        The Greens are not elected in Britain yet they appear to be calling all the shots. How interesting that is. It is NEVER explored why that is the case.

        • saffrin

          The Greens aren’t calling anything.
          The BBC’s thought police aired her comments because she came up with a list of positives which amounted to just about fk-all if you look at the bigger picture.
          No mention of what the EU costs the UK citizens in taxes, membership fees, the red tape, laws and regulations that stifle free trade and UK businesses. No mention of the ‘green taxes’ that are forcing much of Britain’s manufacturing industry offshore.
          No, just a bit about roaming charges and a few other things we could have done on our own anyway.

      • Sapporo

        Stop feeding the troll. Trolls are inherently egotistical and thrive on attention.

  • zanzamander

    In the same way that it’s easier to win an argument against halal if you admit it’s not about animal welfare.

  • Smithersjones2013

    Oh god not another leftie clone banging on about race and xenophobia? Isn’t it time they started giving them mandatory counselling for such unhealthy obsessions.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      Yes, the sooner they begin working through those stages of grief, the better.

  • BBC Farage

    Given their constant Slav-bashing which would make Goebbels proud, I perceive UKiP as predominantly racist party. But yes, they are also tricksters and bullies.

    • Adam Carter

      What ‘constant Slav-bashing’?
      Citations please, including instances of repetition, or STFU.
      Tricksters, why?
      Bullies, why?
      Examples please, or STFU.

      • BBC Farage

        I do not engage with vulgar people.

        • Bill_der_Berg

          That is the correct attitude for the Europhiles. Do not engage with the voters. They probably keep coal in their baths.

          • oldestel

            Outrageous slur! I threw out the bath years ago.

          • BBC Farage

            I am posting here in my capacity as an European Slav (the main reason UKiP gave for leaving EU at their latest Rally).

        • oldestel

          Unfortunately bozo, us vulgars are engaging with you.

    • Wessex Man

      The Beeb have you well trianed don’t they?

  • Robert_Eve

    Why would you want to win an argument with UKIP?

    • Bill_der_Berg

      It’s got something to do with the forthcoming elections, most likely.

  • Reconstruct

    But which argument do you want to ‘win’ with UKIP?

    The one about regaining the political right to patrol your own borders?
    The one about wanting to regain democratic control over political decision-making?

    What sort of a person would want to ‘win the argument’ against these?

    • Bill_der_Berg

      Don’t ask unfair questions. They just want to win the argument, that’s all.

  • The_Missing_Think

    Passive aggression, is still aggression.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      This is presumably just another young and dumb kid spewing bubble socialist claptrap, and he likely doesn’t understand what you’re saying.

      • The_Missing_Think

        “spewing bubble socialist claptrap
        _____

        Far, far worse than that, he ain’t dumb.

        But his super human rights of free speech, are a thousand times more powerful than my flimsy, crushable, know your place ones, so as ever, the dishing outs remain one directional.

        I’ll never ever EVER accept, that such humiliations are an enjoyable, enriching experience, I reject it 100%. And I see only one guaranteed functional solution, which by coincidence, also involves something else one directional.

  • Bill_der_Berg

    “There have been one or two calls to brand Ukip a racist party…”

    Only one or two? Are you sure? You are talking about one of the favourite tactics of the left.

    • Wessex Man

      You foolish hypocrite, by just googling about your three disgusting parties, you will find examples from your lots that make ordinary people and that is UKip members quake! why not look up the beauties that it took me no more than a couple of minutes to find!

      • Bill_der_Berg

        I think that you may have misunderstood my post.

        • Wessex Man

          If I have misunderstood your view point, I apologise.

  • an ex-tory voter

    Yet another attempt to smear UKIP as racist!!

    “Claiming that UKIP is just the BNP in blazers doesn’t work – because it
    isn’t credible with the public, the media or the mainstream parties”.
    To say that the “racist claim” will not work because it is not credible with the public is to imply that the claim is credible, but the public do not recognise it. Utter c–p. The reason it doesn’t work is because UKIP is not a racist party, pure and simple.

    As for UKIP expelling candidates with racist views only because those views are only acceptable to a tiny minority of the public.
    More c–p!! Any candidates expelled for voicing racist views have been expelled because those views are not in accord with UKIPs policies and principles.

    “Ukip’s political opponents will, and should, continue to expose
    extremists within its ranks”.
    More smear by innuendo. UKIP contains no more extremism than any other of the UKs political parties and it could be argued that it actually contains far less. Anyone concerned about extremism should be considering the make up, policies and actions of all UK political parties.

    Having read the article I feel it should be marked…. “must try harder”.

    • Holly

      Labour & the MSM did the same to Michael Howard in 2005.
      A decade on, the public have seen the results of Labour’s inept policies and are now fighting for their grand-children’s futures.

      Farage…I can not stand the bloke, but the ‘messages’ being sent out, to try to keep me on side, are slowly, but surely kicking me in UKIP’s direction.

    • Bill_der_Berg

      Their preferred tactics have not worked and now they are wondering what to do next.

  • cargill55

    Anarcho-Tyranny is defined as a situation where the Government harshly enforces excessive punishments on the law abiding while ignoring actual crimes committed by favored classes.
    Now doesn’t that perfectly describe Britain 2014, the liberal left extremism capital of the world.
    Thought police with the full support of the Liblabcon oligarchy persecute normal people for not bowing down to their aggressive extremist ideology .
    Remember people who couldn’t adopt because they were UKIP members?
    Look at what is happening with Islamic influence in schools across Manchester .
    Hate preachers are often untouched but quote Churchill outside and you’re arrested.
    Liberal left extremism is rotten and aggressive and it’s time we stood up to these people.

    • Blindsideflanker

      Very well said, earlier I was thinking that a madness has descended on our country, where right is now wrong, values turned on their head, and basic logic and facts are dismissed as irrelevant to politically correct gestures.

      Every institution that amounted to anything is having the heart ripped out of it and remodelled on cultural Marxist lines.

    • you_kid

      Anarcho-Tyranny, the new phrase describing the FPTP system?

      • the viceroy’s gin

        No, it’s the phase occurring alongside your fascist dream scenario, lad.

        • you_kid

          you are the nat socialist, lad.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            …are you talking to your goat again?

  • Hexhamgeezer

    Supporters of the EU and it’s massive democratic deficit, like BBCLiblabcon, will inevitably attract supporters with even more toxic motives. What we must ensure is that we don’t tar all of their voters with extremist labels and debate the issues of Europe and Immigration on their merits.

    Is that what Sunder is trying to say?

  • In2minds

    “It also voices a prejudice which makes British Muslim integration harder to achieve” –

    And that’s what they want, you have asked them? Also integration, who will set the parameters?

    • Holly

      Yet the MSM, politicians, or bods on here, who type 100,000 words explaining that UKIP are X, Y, Z, so imagine they are ‘contributing to the debate’, yet say absolutely zilch.
      Where is their explanation as to why, after a decade of Labour’s forced immigration and diversity rubbish, are we still so un-integrated?
      The fact that immigrants are here, and we do not run around attacking them, does not mean we have successfully integrated.
      During all this multiculturalism/diversity stuff was going on, we were the one’s being attacked as racists, bigots, little Englanders etc.
      I have one question for you journo’s…
      WHY?

      Labour played us off against each other! Telling one side they can come here enjoy the benefits built up from/by previous generations of Brits, and are free to preach hate on our streets, while telling the other side they will be tough on immigration/hate preachers etc.

      We are where we are because of the way Brits of all colours and religion have been ignored and silenced to such an extent we no longer dared to say anything in public…..
      Today is a completely different kettle of fish and the majority want proper control over who is allowed to come here.

      Personally I do not think this is anything to do with race issue, I think it is a complete clash of culture issue.

    • Conway

      Given that muslims are exhorted not to befriend the infidel, how likely are they to want to integrate?

  • Bill Brinsmead

    Populist and poujadist maybe but their real mark of distinction is to claim all other political parties are out of touch and ‘corrupt’.

    The only political party to make this general claim. Apply your own label.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      No, actually, I’d guess that most other political parties outside the LibLabCon clones make that claim, if you look close. So I’d say you are precisely incorrect .

  • cargill55

    The generalised and hysterical MSM , Liblabcon and establishment anti UKIP campaign is a reality and a threat to British democracy.
    – Liblabcon are getting people to trawl through UKIP members social media accounts to find anything which can be used in anti UKIP propaganda
    – the MSM is writing hundreds of articles in the biggest smear, sneer, misrepresentation, insult and lie campaign against UKIP , the biggest in Britain’s history, all to protect the corrupt oligarchy of Liblabcon .
    – the EU is using British taxpayer money to employ trolls to propagandise against UKIP
    – the Westminster Liblabcon mob are saying the UKIP poster campaign was racist yet all UKIP wants is controlled immigration and immigrant assimilation and the British people ceratinlydo not see the poster campaign or UKIP as racist.
    – now the MSM propaganda , hysteria and anti UKIP extremism has been picked up by supporting thugs who have lost the debate to such an extent they now resort to violence against UKIP .
    It won’t work MSM and Liblabcon , we are wise to your agenda to protect the corporate fascists and Britain haters at Westminster , we will stand up to the violence of your supporters and you will fail.

    • you_kid

      UKIP supporters cannot compute that UKIP are the establishment.

      UKIP do not oppose Magna Carta elitism.
      They support the City and feudal laws of the land.
      They do not oppose undemocratic FPTP.
      They support big energy corporations.
      UKIP are the establishment!

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …does the goat get jealous of all your sockpuppets?

  • cargill55

    The dying Liblabcon oligarchy and it’s various MSM stooges are lashing out at UKIP because their politically corrupt political hegemony is threatened.
    Anyone else sick of the intolerance shown by the liberal left state against anyone or any political party which dares to stand up to its illiberal practices and ideology?
    Support UKIP for a common sense Britain .

    • you_kid

      UKIP do not oppose Magna Carta elitism.
      We never had a say because Magna Carta elitists never gave us a say. Not only will we never have a referendum, we never controlled OUR natural resources and energy supply – elitists do. We never controlled our central bank and monetary policy, elitists do. The recent asset price hike of London central asset base only – the work of the elite. Socialising their City losses – the concoction of the elite. This is oh so obvious to everyone, just not to you who will blame immigrants and the EU for the errors of Magna Carta oligarchy here.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        How’s the goat, lad?

  • Sapporo

    Having read the article twice, I cannot see what the author is trying to say, other than to link UKIP with racism. He wants to talk about immigration, but offers no opinion. In other words, he wants to have a debate, where nobody says anything. Just like the fascist/communist totalitarian regimes.

    • Blindsideflanker

      Indeed, the Westminster bubble now arrogantly say we can have a debate about immigration, but only as long as we don’t ask any difficult questions about it, where all questions are of a superficial nature and all prefaced with the statement, ‘ Mass immigration has been a wonderfully enriching experience, and if it hadn’t been for the wonderful hard working immigrants the NHS would have collapsed, crops would have been left in the fields, and there wouldn’t be any service in restaurants’

    • ButcombeMan

      Indeed it is one of those “nudge” documents. Pretends to be full of serious analysis but in reality is utter shxxxte.

      It attempts to nudge opinion. It is without merit.

      It is a covert way of repeating the false allegation that UKIP is a racist party.

  • cargill55

    When the intellectual, political and moral bankruptcy of the liberal left is confronted and they start losing the political argument and the electorate what do they do?
    They intimidate and insult.
    Well done NIgel Farage for standing up for British democracy .

    • FrenchNewsonlin

      Interesting that Sunder Katwala prefers to identify himself as director of British Future rather than parade his Lib Dem colours.

      • Denis_Cooper

        And his Fabian credentials, former general secretary.

    • you_kid

      How? Where? When?
      He has not stood up for the British democracy. England does not even have a Parliament. Is it UKIP policy to create one?

  • @PhilKean1

    .
    The voting public are a generally, decent, tolerant people –

    – who are unafraid of being labelled “racist”. And the pro-EU Liberal-left have been left frustrated in their failure to tar UKIP as a racist party.

    The establishment parties should just accept facts. Their domination of British politics is coming to an end. And it can’t come soon enough.
    .

  • http://mrsdbliss.blogspot.com/ MrsDBliss

    Ukip’s vulnerability is different: ‘You can’t still be complaining that people can’t talk about immigration – we’re all talking about it now. You are good at the grievances, but I don’t suppose you’ve got any answers too?’
    I think you’ll find that there proposing leaving the EU as one of its problems is an inability to control immigration within the union. Their alternative is a points based immigration system such as that which is found in Canada and Australia.
    I have been aware that these are their proposed solutions for some time now, despite nor being committed to UKIP. I’m surprised that a journalist, who is surely more than capable of looking up UKIP policies, doesn’t know their proposed solutions.
    You’re right that claiming UKIP are the BNP in blazers hasn’t worked. However it just sounds to me that you’re following Cameron’s tack of trying to replace one in accuracy with another i.e. that they only have grieviances and not proposed solutions.
    As someone whose been unsure whee to place my vote since the last election when, having been a life long Labour voter I transferred to the conservatives, I felt so devalued by Cameron and his leadership I’m actually now decided to vote UKIP.
    This is not as a result if a concern over immigration, although I have learnt to respect other peoples concerns, but the consistent ‘closed shop’ attitude of the politicians and media has been something to behold and learn from.
    It’s left me wondering why there’s been such consensus? Whose back is being scratched and how?

    • Patricia

      “…..but the consistent ‘closed shop’ attitude of the politicians and media has been something to behold and learn from.
      It’s left me wondering why there’s been such consensus? Whose back is being scratched and how?”

      Absolutely. It seems the politicians /media are privy to something big and the populous are sheep to be pushed around. All these huge building programmes, rail links, ridiculous directives from EU etc.

      Money, power, fat cat jobs for those in on it ?

  • Ricky Strong

    You mentioned Diane Abbott, remind me, she was the one who said ‘white people like to play divide and conquer’, after the Labour leadership elections then said ‘typical, two posh white boys’ and finally claimed that its West Indian mothers who put their backs against the wall for their children’.

    As for mainstream political voices the best advice I could give is for them to shut up, stop trying to think and instead listen more. You never know, they might actually learn something.

    • Colin

      She also had a pop at white nurses. And that’s just what we know about…

      • wayne

        She one some money for charity on TV show, before she even said the charity I knew it had to be black only. Sickle cell anaemia

    • ButcombeMan
      • Ricky Strong

        I have watched a number of youtube clips of Diane Abbott.

        This is my third laptop.

        • ButcombeMan

          I know, she is absolutely wonderful. A caricature of a serious politician. perfectly balanced, chips on both shoulders. Just do not bring your coffee near your laptop when watching her.

          • Ricky Strong

            Heavens knows why they keep inviting her onto ‘This Week’, the precise reason why I have stopped watching it.

            • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

              She is a thick sow who knows nothing of anything and exploits the system- taxi fares 12k portraits etc, is a proven racist and hypocrite when it comes to schooling her children.

              I think it’s obvious why she’s always on “this week”, the same reason she’s in politics……

              • Ricky Strong

                Slight change of subject but I just walked to my local shop and spotted three new UKIP signs in houses on my street. The future’s bright.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  Good to hear, patriots are everywhere around my neck of the woods. Those signs are important, they show UKIP are an acceptable party and people are proud to support them despite what the MSM say.

                • Conway

                  In my town we put up posters on Friday and by Saturday morning half of them had disappeared! It seems some people don’t like democracy.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  If they did they would vote for UKIP.

            • ButcombeMan

              Brillo likes it because she shows all that is wrong with Labour politics.

              She is an intellectual vacuum and it shows.

              You should watch it and appreciate, she is there to be mocked. She is too stupid to understand the game.

      • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

        Did you hear her say in the video she runs an awards programme for “London’s top achieving BLACK children” How is this not racist????????????????????

  • Swiss Bob

    The Labour, Conservative and Liberal parties have all covered up scandals involving paedophiles at senior levels within their respective parties and continue to do so and yet it’s UKIP on the end of all the press and media acrimony, especially from the BBC.

    What does that tell you about the Establishment?

    • MirthaTidville

      it tells you they are s*** scared of UKIP and the resonance it has with the public. Only this morning a story about how HMRC are going to be allowed to dip your bank account, on the eve of important elections. You couldnt make it up..The media are behind the curve, those voting UKIP have made their mind up and wont change it, but the lickspittals will as usual keep trying…as out of touch as the Establishment………………………again

      • Fergus Pickering

        Too right, my friend. I have made up my mind and I am not going to change it unless the Conservative party changes, which it won’t. Nigel for ever. And bless his German wife. And may she shout for Germany in the footie. She won’t have to shout very loud.

    • Hello

      That Ukip is just the same…? Sorry, how rude of me. I forgot, Ukip is something entirely new, the voice of the People.

      • telemachus

        The voice of White Anglo Saxons

        • Blakenburg

          The voice of All People who have concerns about our establishment old parties who no longer represent the people, yet seek for their votes. The Conservatives, Labour and Lib Dems do not have God given rights to rule.

          • Hello

            “UKIP seems to have ‘Common Sense’ policies, which the old parties do not”

            “seems” being the operative there.

          • telemachus

            Not true
            The party of reason is reaching out to the mass of the people and will deliver

            • Colonel Mustard

              Even if we should believe your self-serving tripe about Brown’s has beens being a party of reason they are not reaching out to 34% Conservative, 13% UKIP and 8% Lib Dem voters so don’t kid yourself.

              Your delusional arrogance that you speak for the whole country is not only tiresome it is WRONG.

            • oldestel

              The “Party of Reason” deserted the mass of the people a long time ago Telemachus. Alas, it now serves the interest of just a small clique of spivs and shysters.
              .

            • saffrin

              They already are which explains UKIP’s rise in popularity.
              The hate promoting Labour liars are going nowhere. Harriet has been exposed as a pedo promoter and there are rumors circulating suggesting we can expect Bliar’s war crimes and Brown’s treason trial anytime after 8th May 2015.

            • Blakenburg

              Party of reason is reaching out is certainty UKIP, As there is no other party in existance. The other parties are just an Elective Dictatrship.!

            • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

              Tele, I live and breathe UKIP stop telling me what it is, if you don’t like them don’t vote for them, we couldn’t care less. But don’t you dare use Ad homs to discredit them.

        • Colonel Mustard

          And what is wrong with that? We live in a society where umpteen Labour created identity groups all demand “a voice” and the government panders to them. You really shouldn’t object when the White Anglo-Saxon majority join in, unless of course you are an Anglophobe, self-hating racist and bigot who thinks our gene pool needs to have its nose rubbed in diversity, or to be “revitalised” or some such offensive Euro rubbish.

          • telemachus

            Anglophobe
            I am pleased to be able to share in the word of the day

            • Colonel Mustard

              You ought to be ashamed rather than pleased. But come now, really, the “word of the day” from the advocate of a party that invented the concept of ‘phobe and “denier” to describe anyone whom they could not otherwise coerce to conform to their cant?

            • Inverted Meniscus

              I suspect that ‘the World’ would rather not share with an idiot like you.

          • Jack

            Please explain the distinction between an Angle and a Saxon. Your orthography appears to treat them as separate entities, but I’m rather puzzled why that should be so. Further, are there any non-white Angles or Saxons? If not, your adjective seems rather redundant.
            In the meantime you haven’t mentioned any Jutes or Frisians. Is this some class of post-hoc ethnic cleansing of the historical record in the pursuit of a mythical age of now-lost racial purity, or are you simply a bit dim? Could that be related to a lack of diversity in your gene pool?

            • Colonel Mustard

              zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

            • Inverted Meniscus

              Well you have certainly confirmed yourself to be an idiot of epic proportions with that nonsense.

        • Smithersjones2013

          Hey Teletubby whats it like when the leading commentators on your own side are trying to shut you up?

          You must feel very small and ridiculous…….

        • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

          remember how we discussed labour using their candidate on a poster and you attacked UKIP consistently?

          labour did the same thing, not a peep out of you….
          http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/08/Hackney-Labour-Line-Up-Paid-Politicians-As-Public

        • John Dalton

          And what is wrong with that?

        • Fergus Pickering

          What do you mean by Anglo-Saxons? Supposing that you knew. And what is wrong with white? Most of us are..

    • telemachus

      Tells me that they have yet to ferret out the paedophiles in Ukip

      • starfish

        First they have to clear out the augean stables of organised paedophilia in the libdem labour and conservative parties

        • telemachus

          Done in the party of reason

          • oldestel

            Really? When did that happen in the Labour Party Telemachus?

        • Wessex Man

          What you have to remember is that tele is an embittered ex-UKip member who once stood as a candidate for Ukip, all tele’s views are therefore null and void!

          Judging Ukip by other Politcal Parties isn’t very fair, how can we compare with one John Lasren, Liberal democrat ex-Mayor of Denbigh sentenced to 18 years for carrying out a Bombing Campaign in December, or Danny Mayzes Tory party Councillor who said that a film featuring gun-toting border vigilantes offered a good way of dealing with immigrants, who was allowed to keep his post,or Labour Councillor Nilgun Canver, convicted of lying to the police over her son’s accident saying she was driving the uninsured car.

          My, we in Ukip really, really have a lot to live down to before we can be compared to the other three ‘respectable’ parties don’t we!

          • ButcombeMan

            “tele is an embittered ex-UKip member who once stood as a candidate for Ukip, all tele’s views are therefore null and void!”

            Is that true Wessex? I must have missed that. Could it be that he is one of the ones thrown out? surely not for having been in the BNP, the shame!

            • Wessex Man

              Yes he told me so a few weeks ago on here, I’m sure he felt superior at the time and yes it may well have been.

      • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

        Just look at the labour25 peado ring, you are disgusting for supporting this. You give labour a mandate to rape children, shame on telemachus. If there was one in UKIP the media would have found them by now.

    • John Dalton

      I saw the title of this article and thought “Wow, the Spec is getting a grip”. Then I read it. More cod analysis designed to subtly rubbish UKIP – with the immediate comparison of UKIP to the BNP. It just won’t work.

      Watching the LibLabCon and their MSM lickspittles putting the boot in is like watching playground bullies circling round the plucky little child at break time. That’s how most people see it. More votes for UKIP.

      • Patricia

        “Watching the LibLabCon and their MSM lickspittles putting the boot in is like watching playground bullies circling round the plucky little child at break time. That’s how most people see it. ”

        Excellent analogy. Have you noticed that the LLC’s vocabulary is becoming increasingly limited to “raycissst”, “xenophobic” and not much else ?

        • tjamesjones

          Exactly. And what’s wrong with being raycisst anyway!!?!

        • Ooh!MePurse!

          No it’s not! That is paranoid nonsense. Get a grip.

      • Mazzzz

        A bit late but what would one expect from a lefty past general secretary of the Fabian Society?

    • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

      Can you remember the fuss when UKIP used their own person on a poster?

      why doesn’t the same happen for labour?

      http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/08/Hackney-Labour-Line-Up-Paid-Politicians-As-Public

      • Aberrant_Apostrophe

        I loved the comment: “One of them is wearing a red rosette, FFS”.

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