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Farzana Iqbal was murdered by Muslims applying ‘sharia’. Why does the BBC not report these facts?

29 May 2014

29 May 2014

Farzana Iqbal, aged 25, was stoned to death by members of her family in broad daylight on the steps of a courthouse in Lahore, Pakistan, because she had married a man with whom she was in love. This was an “honour killing” and perpetrators use sharia law to justify their murders. Some 1,000 women are killed in this manner in Pakistan each year and an overwhelming majority of the population seems to be in favour of them. Some 91 per cent of honour killings worldwide are “Muslim on Muslim” crimes. In Pakistan, laws introduced in the 1970s, by Zia-ul-Haq, and based on punishments recommended in the Koran and Sunnah, mean that women have almost no recourse in law and the male members of the family can do with them as they will.

This latest horrific case was reported last night on the BBC Ten O Clock News.

The following words did not appear at any time in the report: Muslim, Islam, Koran, Sharia.


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  • shiva

    that was the point i was trying to make.Youre obviously irony impaired.
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  • William_Brown

    Too afraid to upset the liberal elite perhaps?

  • Mrs Josephine Hyde-Hartley

    This murder happened outside the kind of law that we know and believe is normal, here in the UK. But in Pakistan they still sentence people to death generally, thus buying and/or selling into a death culture generally ie with or without any particular Law, religious or otherwise.

    It’s the death sentence that wonts abolishing, in my view.

    • Bonkim

      This was a mob-lynching – not a judicial execution. Whether there should be capital punishment or not – it is for the society at the location to decide. Given the high costs incurred in Britain to keep nasty people in prison for life and to bring them back when they go on leave from open prisons, instant death would save the taxpayer plenty.

  • Simon Morgan

    This is our media Lefts’ so-called expert on terrorism, Waleed Aly, take on Boko Haram:

    “..What we do know though is that the broader movement is a terrorist movement and they’ve been wanting to overthrow the Nigerian government and establish a
    government of their own.

    But beyond that, this particular group, who have done this particular thing, it’s hard to identify who they are and they might just be vigilantes.”

    Almost impossible to credit, but this is the man ‘our’ ABC and the Left go to whenever there is a Muslim atrocity (and you never have to wait long before the next one comes along).

    He was as ridiculous with his take on the Boston marathon bombers (he suggested the perpertrators could ‘self-styled American patriots’!!

    George Orwell couldn’t make this up. Isn’t it good to know that we are funding such ‘progressive’ agendas?

  • Mike

    The left will always sanitize inconvenient truths and the BBC especially so !

    • Liz

      The right too.

  • Liz

    Rod didn’t seem to mind Kirsty Walk not mentioning his record for assaulting his pregnant ex wife when she asked him for his considered opinion on male abuse of women in her Blurred Lines documentary (fine and just the same as male abuse of men in case you’re curious). And that was on the BBC.

    I suppose some kinds of BBC circumspection about patterns of behaviour are more welcome than others.

  • Bonkim

    If Mr Liddle cared to look at the BBC reports on the subject he would find exhaustive material and analysis and also international data on their website.

  • Agrippina

    Channel4news last night said that the husband had strangled his own 1st wife and because he had been forgiven by his eldest son, he was a free man.

    Now his 2nd wife has been killed by her ghastly family. Barbarians, the govts of these 3rd world dumps needs to educate these nutjobs!

  • jack

    Instead of the beautified version by Rageh Omaar on the “great” qualities of Islam, I wish we could instead, have a BBC series on the ‘birth of Islam’, written and presented by someone such as Douglas Murray. A clinical, precise and balanced view would be nice for a change.

    • Bonkim

      Who wants to read that?

      • jack

        I guess, people with eyes and ears would watch and listen.

  • Cyril Sneer

    Reminds me of the muslim paedo scandal and BBC Question Time, where you had the moronic left wing panel tying themselves in knots trying to discuss the subject. This lasted for around 10 minutes and during all that time not a single mention of Islam or Muslims. They managed to refer to the Catholic Church but could not mention Islam, not even once.

    I’d love to have been in the audience, I would’ve named the religion mutiple times to make them squirm like the weak, traitorous sacks of sh t they are. I would’ve asked them, why can’t you name this religion, are you afraid of death threats?

    • Liz

      That’s because sexual assaults are the fault of the victims not the perpetrators. Everyone knows that.

  • Richard

    The Standard covered this story, wuth shocking picture, yesterday and also ran an editorial but they also tried desperately to avoid certain terms.

  • Bonkim

    Reads more like a Shakespearian play now with this chap having killed his former wife to gain the favour of Farzana Iqbal. Religion, murder, love and family revenge – opportunity knocks for a block buster.

  • Cymrugel

    It gets worse.

    It seems he actually killed his wife so that she could marry this woman.
    FFS

  • http://www.readmypoems.co.uk Alison

    The News (Rondeau Redouble)

    Stoned to death, by those who should have held her dear,
    A woman in Lahore, these things happen over there,
    About a thousand women every year,
    But in the major cities it’s more rare.
    The governor of the bank of England took care
    To explain that banks need to be more moral and to be fair.
    Stoned to death by those who should have held her dear,
    No, don’t let that thought stay in your head, hear
    The commentary now on Carney’s speech, a pair
    Of economists on the phone; one in the studio here.
    A woman in Lahore; these things happen over there,
    Crowds gathered to watch, but didn’t dare
    To interfere, women are chattels, this was a family affair,
    About a thousand women every year
    Are stoned to death in ‘honour killings’. The peer
    Lord Oakeshott has resigned: the Lib Dems came nowhere,
    There’s support in the South West for their ideas,
    But in the major cities it’s more rare,
    Have you heard about the fashion for eating flowers? Beware
    Don’t eat Hemlock, it’s just a mere
    Fad, but worthy of lengthy discussion, we must keep you aware,
    Of trends. A thousand women a year, in Pakistan, disappear,
    Stoned to death.

  • Mr Grumpy

    Central African Republic: gunmen attack a church, killing 11. In retaliation an empty mosque is torched.

    Guess the BBC headline…

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-27625339

  • La Fold

    All done in the name of “Izzat” of their kinship group.
    Tribalism as it most base. Positively medieval.

  • jesseventura2

    Why no muslim grooming gangs caught in Wales or Scotland labour run areas?

    • Richard

      Happening but not reported.

  • cromwell

    “Why does the BBC not report these facts?” Because Islam has reporters scared of a fatwa, they don’t want to end up like Salmon Rushdie or worse, dead.

  • cromwell

    It now appears her husband killed his previous wife to marry Farzana Parveen, as reported in the Guardian;

    “Muhummad Iqbal, the 45-year-old husband of Farzana Parveen, who was
    beaten to death by 20 male relatives on Tuesday, said he strangled his
    first wife in order to marry Parveen.He avoided a prison sentence after his family used Islamic provisions of Pakistan’s legal system to forgive”
    Religion of peace my Ars, religion of savages and retards more like.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    BBC World News were on the case this morning. Perhaps this story has been censored in UK for the sake of “community cohesion”. Would want to upset the multicultural apple cart and have mug punter Joe Public querying just why and how multicultural was brought to Britain in the first place. Why, they might even start blaming New Labour for facilitating the mass immigration of third-world Sharia Islamists, and the gutless Tories for not facing down accusations of racism.
    Nice neutral Buddhist country, anyone?
    Jack, Japan Alps

    • Bonkim

      See the BBC website – considerable information and analysis there. This is not just an Islamic phenomenon. More Tribal/cultural.

      • global city

        Your pieces on this blog have become a really good case study in how to obfuscate and twist an issue until it becomes something else. On the southern fringes of the Sahara, ‘Islam’ is undertaking a sustained attack on the non Muslim peoples’ there, merely for not being Muslim.

        • Bonkim

          If you had any sense of logic you will think a little more clearly and deeper.

          Yes Islam is a bigoted religion and consider any that don’t hold their prophet as the supreme one not worthy of existence. – is it any different from say that Papist mobs that rampaged through much of the world ramming Christianity down the throats of unsuspecting folk?

          Non-Christians were persecuted/discriminated and as in South America burnt at the stake, temples and edifices of other religions razed and Churches built on, as in locations in China and India, etc, not unlike the acts now of the Taliban and their counterparts in Asian and African countries.

          Regrettably religion once bigotry has taken hold coupled with ethnic tribalism is a potent foce of destruction – has no limits to violence and depravity. Most sufferers of bigoted Islam are the Muslims themselves – look around all the Islam dominated countries where conservative Islam is wrecking havoc on Islamists of other shades. So the few Christians persecuted/murdered or Churches burnt – small beer in the nature of violence prevailing in these distant lands – just don’t go there.

          • global city

            But you are twisting logic, it is plain for all to see… this is the point that I raised.

            ironically you have just done it again. You have tried to take my comments to a place I did not reference in order to critiise them, without being able to rebut the actual point I made.

            I assure you that my ‘sense of logic’ is as strong as yours and my understanding of the tricks of cod critical theory are probably better honed than yours, hence why your attempts are to transparent, could I say amateur?

            • Bonkim

              You fall into a deep hole defending what you believe in rather than look at the historic, socio/cultural, and locational factors and linking cause and effects.

              Vast tracts on earth have mixed histories – the locations we are discussing – Pakistan/India – Mid-East or Sub-Saharan Africa are inhabited by a hotch potch of trbal/ethnic and religious groups of people – their social organisation is fragmented, law and order as we know in Britain just do not exist, there is no social security, deep social and economic/ethnic/sectarian divisions, and people have to make a living as they go along within a continuously changing political climate.

              In that context they cling to their age-old social norms more for protecting family and tribe from the polluting influences of the wider world. Fear of authority and change is the dominant theme in their life. Violence at the drop of a hat and they don’t mind killing or be killed for their beliefs.

              The news item is about one honour killing in broad daylight – looking more like a Shakespearian plot.

              Sub-Saharan tribal/sectarian conflict established for centuries – only today the media brings such news no sooner than it occurs – no one bothered with ignorant natives rebelling killing or getting killed, starving or engaging in slavery in the days before radio and TV – we are therefore wasting our time discussing issues on the basis of our present day frame of reference and what is civilized and what is not. The NI sectarian conflict is still simmering – any difference apart from the scale and wantoness of the acts?

              Look at the conversation again and is there any useful end that our discussion is achieving? Are we altering the behaviour of the people to what we consider more acceptable? If not sod all either of us can do and the situations whether in Pakistan/india/Sri Lanka or Sub Saharan Africa/Somalia/CAF and other parts of the world will continue.

              Closer at hand much more dastardly barbarities taking place in Syria and Assad and his henchmen continuing.

              • global city

                That is all correct and sensible, but you are missing a vital trick when you dismiss how adherence to Islam exacerbates everything that you write.

                • Bonkim

                  Adherence to Islam or any other religion or political beliefs will bring bias in any discussion – so need to detach yourself from such things. I will go further to point out that there are Heinz 66 varieties of all religions – all man-made and changing with time and place.

                  The present bigotry is a product of recent history and speedy communications and travel. Bigotry begets bigotry and much of the discussion about Islam or Christian persecution, etc, have political elements. All faiths believe theirs is the one and only true God and all others false. The Bible talks of people following false Gods and most shouting for Christianiyy have no clue of the true nature of Christianity or any other religion – it is a label that people carry and increasingly so in recent years – I think we are all reverting back to the dark ages – the last few decades of enlightenment, liberation, and freedom from bigotry a temporary aberration in human history.

                  Religion and politics attract much misguided taking of sides which then makes sane discussion impossible.

  • stag

    Northern Ireland secretary Villiers recently insisted, quite ludicrously, that “Islam is a religion of peace”. This is ludicrous because:

    – Islam is evidently not a religion of peace, by any ordinary definition of the word peace.
    – since when was the Northern Ireland Secretary qualified to make authoritative statements about the nature of Islam? It is not the job of government ministers to act as a mouthpiece for Muslim propagandists.

  • Bonkim

    BBC Report – murdered by Muslims and Shariya? Now that is hilarious – There is no report of any Sharia court , Muslims – yes – the vast majority of people in Pakistan are Muslims – so no surprise – Murder yes – middle-ages mindset – yes – Now the question of the BBC referring to the religion of those committing the murder – shouild not Mr Liddle mention his religion if any in the text so we can understand his inbuilt leanings if any, should the BBC reporters establish the religions of everyone they interview or report on? Come on Mr Liddle and others bloging silly – for a British newspaper reporting a heinous crime does the religion of the perpetrators matter one iota? This is a simple middle-ages story of greed and dishonour in a bigoted society – don’t waste time on this. No one has learnt anything new from your story – and if there is nothing new to learn don’t waste your time writing about it.

  • Gergiev

    Yes, the BBC has long been considered supine in its coverage of Islam. It is therefore surprising to find the BBC quoting, in a report about child marriage, that, according to Sheikh Abbas Yahaya, in Islam, a nine year old girl can be considered suitable for marriage. Here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-27619295

    It is worth pointing out that if I said what Sheikh Abbas Yahaya is quoted as saying in the BBC report, that I would probably be condemned as Islamaphobic, rascist and so on. Is Sheikh Abbas Yahaya therefore a misunderstander of Islam, and if so, where is the Muslim outrage at this barbaric practice?

    • stag

      This is of course because the ‘Prophet’ had intercourse with a girl of that age. Muhammad did it – it must be OK. It’s halal – it’s fine.

  • Muttley

    Same with the Tower Hamlets fiasco, no mention on the BBC of the Bangladeshi mayor or the disgraceful goings on at the polling booths, just some “irregularities”.

  • Joycey

    Just one more example of barbaric Islam in action!

  • The Masked Marvel

    Stop being so coy, Rod. You know perfectly well why the BBC engaged in self-censorship here. If you can’t recall, ask your old mate, Hugh Sykes.

    https://twitter.com/HughSykes/statuses/405785438905831424

  • Laguna Beach Fogey

    Vibrant enrichers vibrantly enriching Pakistan.

    Nothing to see here.

  • http://biasedbbc.proboards.com/index.cgi Teddy Bear

    The Religion of Peace website shows that there have been over 23,000 deadly Islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11.
    Not only doesn’t our dhimmi BBC report even a fraction of these incidents, it can’t even bring itself to deem them terrorists.

    • http://www.readmypoems.co.uk Alison

      Will you join with me in emailing the BBC to ask them why they will not give Doctor Ibrahim her title? Ask your friends to do the same. While the treatment of any woman, as she has been treated, and will be treated is barbaric, it seems that a woman who has overcome all she must have, to train as a doctor in a place like South Sudan is further diminished by that accomplishment going completely unrecognised on the BBC Radio news.

      • http://biasedbbc.proboards.com/index.cgi Teddy Bear

        The clue to the BBC omission is in the word ‘diminished’.
        If you spell it dhimmi-nished you’ll understand the BBC motive.
        Just like they insert the bit about Correspondents say death sentences are rarely carried out in Sudan making it appear as if Sudan are not as barbaric as we know them to be.

        Good luck with your communication with the BBC. frankly I gave up on that route many years ago. But I’d be really happy if you’d post your experience, whatever happens, on my website – Biased BBC The Forum

  • HenryWood

    Excuse me asking, Mr. Liddle, but were such censored “by omission” reports not happening under your watch at R4 “Today”? I very much suspect they were but you would be forced to turn a blind eye to it to keep your job.

    I believe you left your job over a quite different dispute to the now common BBC “censorship by omission” practices but how about putting the whole, darned lot of it out in the open? *That* is what is needed, and until a BBC employee, or ex-BBC employee, manages to grow a pair and let the whole wide world know just what goes on in that organisation then I’m afraid your columns on these matter may be “very nice to read” but they are in no way enlightening.

    I really and truly went *off* the BBC’s reporting of most worldwide news after a lifetime working overseas and always relying on them. It was only when I realised during that time overseas that the BBC were not telling the full story of events that I had actual and personal knowledge of that I began to suspect their motives.

    Today I would not trust any BBC news source with a whole 2.2lbs of salt.

  • Ronayne Maher

    I extracted the following paragraph – a shameful obscuration of the facts – from an article that just appeared on The Guardian’s website:

    ‘Perpetrators of honour crimes mostly try to justify their acts by appealing to religious doctrine. This is ironic. In pre-Islamic days, daughters would be buried alive. Islam put an end to that ghastly tradition. Now, those with the same pre-Islamic thinking just stone women when they are older.’

    This is pretty low, even by their standards. They must know it’s there in black and white, in the Hadith: instructions for stoning. They must be particularly confident in their reader’s ability to ignore reality to write such tripe.

  • zanzamander

    Thanks to liberal lefty media, politicians and feminists, a nice bit of multicultural fest coming near you very soon.

    • cartimandua

      Nothing to do with feminists. That’s a nice cop out. There is a law against beating up women in Pakistan which I suppose includes not killing them. |Its recent and they don’t act on it.

      • HenryWood

        I suspect, though I may be wrong, that Zanzamander may have been referring to the total silence from feminists.

        As you yourself say, “Nothing to do with feminists.”

        Just who is it to do with then, cartimandua, apart from the likes of Rod Liddle who has raised his head above the parapet?

        I’ve not heard a peep from Ms. Harman as yet. Has Ms. Toynbee raised her voice? I cannot be bothered to now list the whole sad lot of them, but do you know if a single one will be speaking? Will any other of the sisters be speaking about this outrage?

        Or are they all mainly this week honing their lines on Maya Angelou?

        Or is it, as you said in the beginning, “Nothing to do with feminists”?

        • Liz

          What total silence from feminists?

  • artemis in france

    I have become a somewhat reluctant believer in it being in the West’s interests to not interfère in the affairs of other nations when they are governed by such completely different cultures from their own. One simply has to accept that thèse things happen, especially when it seems that the public in thèse places are in favour of them. However, as you say, Rod, for the BBC to allude to the story without actually spelling out why it has happened and who is responsible for this barbarity is hypocrttical and therefore typical of them. Personally what lorries me more is what will happen when thèse killings become more commonplace within the UK which they are bound to do. Will the BBC remain loathe to give us the full story then?

    • cartimandua

      They have for years.

    • LucieCabrol

      What about wholesale immigration from medieval countries without effort or provision to integrate…do you approve of that?

  • lookout

    Walid shoebat has a website that documents these murders and the reasons why.

  • Kitty MLB

    Oh Roddie dear chap. This may come as a utter shock to you
    but the Bias Brainwashing Callamity is the mouthpiece
    of the Labour Party and would never want say anything against
    muliculturalism or any group who are not English.

  • 70sgirly

    The words, Muslim, Islam, Koran, Sharia were not included in the BBC report because that would imply that something in Islam was to blame for this brutal slaughter.

    Those words are proscribed by the BBC, much like the word “girl” but one a whole other level.

    • Liz

      The word girl is proscribed when it’s used about a woman. Especially when it’s in a sentence stating that girls are rubbish and it’s stigmatising to be beaten by one, even if she is a champion at the thing in question.

  • Mr Grumpy

    Read this and hang your head in shame, Rod:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/honourcrimes/crimesofhonour_1.shtml

    • Richard

      I think the link only confirms what Rod said.

      • Mr Grumpy

        That was actually my point. I shoul;d know better than to attempt irony.

        • Richard

          There are Lefties out there who would see nothing wrong with the BBC article. I thought you was one of them thinkers.

  • Baron

    You forget, Rod, it’s the world of moral equivalence we live in, we marry gays, they stone women who marry for love. They may not like what we do, we may dislike what they get up to, but doesn’t it add to the richness of life and death?, shouldn’t we celebrate it rather than moan, focus on things of far greater significance to our culture like kicking Putin for banning gay propaganda for the young?

    And as for yourself, Rod, you may end up in a re-education camp if you keep seeing it the wrong way, take Baron’s word for it, behave.

  • Michael Sweeney

    Until Rod pointed it out I’m sure no one would have made such a connection. Poor (and to some now, Pro UKIP) BBC.

  • Kennybhoy

    “Ceterum censeo BBC esse delendam!”

  • philiphuw

    It’s the ROP but only if you’ve got a willy. It’s the ROP but try to leave and you might be killed. Oh, and much of the violence in the world is caused by the fact that the adherents of two slightly different versions of the same desert cult cannot agree on the correct way to worship a god that doesn’t exist.

  • sarah_13

    This is the most horrendous and tragic act of barbarity. Why do the women who work for the BBC not say something?!!! They, like the oppressed women in Pakistan, who at least have the excuse that if they don’t keep quiet they too will end up likely stoned to death, are complicit in this pre-medieval behaviour. Shame on the BBC and shame on every woman who works there, we still live in a free and democratic society so why are they not speaking out?

    • Alexsandr

      why is this a woman issue? I am male and am appalled my this as much as women. We should all condemn this barbaric practice.
      And why has the government not called in the Pakistani high commissioner to protest.

      • sarah_13

        You are absolutely right this is not just a woman’s issue and it should be condemned loudly and clearly by every member of society. My point, badly made I admit, is that one would expect those who are so obviously egregiously affected by such practices to be the FIRST to agitate against them. In the same way that it is often only gay activists like Peter Tatchel who bravely condemn many practices whilst others appease them probably in the misguided view that they themselves won’t be affected. Initially it would appear that homosexuals, women and jews are the first to be affected by fundamentalism and so with so much clearly to lose, like women they are often the first to realise the dangers that an such an ideology poses to every member of society. Which is why I am astonished that women working for the BBC don’t speak out clearly enough. I agree, why has the government not called in the Pakistani High commissioner, I suspect the government officials who are in thrall to the Muslim Brotherhood have something to do with that.

    • Bonkim

      BBC’s job is to report dispassionately – not take sides or blame anyone.

      • Alexsandr

        but to ignore Islam and Sharia when reporting this is skewing the facts. This is clearly islam in action.

        • Bonkim

          Don’t be too sure – this is a complex historic/cultural issue and prevalent in many non-Islamic societies. In any case the family of the poor woman did the deed – a criminal act and not the legal system whether or not influenced by Sharia. The legal system had a provision for registering the marriage.

          Women were possessions in patriarchical societies and any violation seen as a crime against the owner – Pakistan and many societies in the Middle-East/ South Asia still have medieval customs and practices and impervious to what the BBC or the Spectaor blogs have to say.

          Look up various sources – an extract –

          “As noted by Christian Arab writer, Norma Khouri, honor killings originate from the belief that a woman’s chastity is the property of her families, a cultural norm that comes “from our ancient tribal days, from the Hammurabi and Assyrian tribes of 1200 B.C.”[48]

          Matthew A. Goldstein, J.D. (Arizona), has also noted that honor killings were encouraged in ancient Rome, where male family members who did not take actions against the female adulterers in their family were “actively persecuted”.[49]

          The origin of honor killings and the control of women is evidenced throughout history in the culture and tradition of many regions. The Roman law of pater familias gave complete control to the men of the family for both their children and wives. Under these laws, the lives of children and wives were at the sole discretion of the men in their family. Ancient Roman Law also established historical roots of honor killings through the law stating that women found guilty of adultery could be killed by their husband in whatever manner the husband desired. In ancient Rome, being raped was seen as dishonorable to the point of destroying a woman’s life and reputation, and honor killing was supposed to be a “merciful” act.[citation needed]In Greece also, the lives of women were dictated by their husbands as females were considered socially below males.[50]

          Among the Amerindian Aztecs and Incas, adultery was punishable by death.[49]

          Qays bin Asim, ancient leader of Banu Tamim is credited by some historians as the first to kill children on the basis of honor. It is recorded that he murdered all of his daughters to prevent them from ever causing him any kind of dishonor.[50]”

          • MC73

            Nice history lesson. So where are all the non-Muslim honour killings happening today?

            • Bonkim

              Look up the internet there are many references – unless you are bent of relating this to the Muslim religion – which in number it may be. This particular situation is not unlike a Mafia killing prompted by greed – as such a criminal act – nothing to do with the Pakistani justice system or Sharia – not that these are something to be admired.

              http://www.islamawareness.net/HonourKilling/outside.html

              • MC73

                Good neutral source there! And all they can come up with is a handful of decade(s) old examples from around the world plus two states in Northern India where Sikhs and Hindus do it too. Honour killing, like FGM, is primarily a Muslim phenomenon.

                • Bonkim

                  Who is counting and how long back do you want to go?

                  Unwed mothers were usually thrown out in England until the 1950s and 60s or the perpetrator beaten up – society has changed considerably in the last few decades. Poor house was only abolished a century or so ago. Social standards you see today – very recent history.

            • laurence

              Judging from his earlier post, Broadway.

              • Kennybhoy

                I nominate this for the wittiest response of the year so far!

                Genuinely rotflol! :-)

          • global city

            It is adherence to Islam though that traps them in these practices… that’s the problem.

            • Bonkim

              Plenty of such dastardly acts in the Middle-East/ South Asia even in Mediterranean Europe and North Africa in the name of family honour – not just amongst those that adhere to Islam. Different/Middle-ages mindset – quite unlike yours or mine.

      • Shazza

        If it had been Christians it would be headlining on the BBC 24/7 with the emphasis on ‘Christians’.

        • Bonkim

          Yes – you will be surprised at the prevalence of local cultural norms including in matters of arranged and forced marriages in converted Christians in many parts of Asia and Africa – indicating ethnicity and cultural history has profound influence on the way belief systems operate.

          The Syrian Christians for example have different cultural norms from say Christians in Germany or England, quite different again in say the US.

          History, culture, geography and climate all shape the human condition as also education, travel, and exposure.

      • The Masked Marvel

        Stating facts is not taking sides or blaming anyone.

        • Bonkim

          Enough facts in the reports and you don’t need to spell out details which are all too easy to see in the context of the story. Doubt any BBC reporter would be stoned to death in Pakistan for their reporting – foreigners are not judged by local standards in some of these countries and as long as you are sensitive to local customs and good manners – will be able to go around your business. By and large people in Pakistan are welcoming and help strangers if they are in trouble.

          • The Masked Marvel

            Change the subject enough and you don’t need to address the issue.

          • John O’Connor

            Looks like more justification en route for the gang-rape of the women reporters in Taria Square, Egypt

    • cartimandua

      Because its in the NUJ rules that they must not.

    • The Masked Marvel

      Many women at the BBC are appalled by this, you can be sure. You can also be sure that those particular personal feelings won’t influence news reporting because the management will not allow anything said that might lend fodder to anger against Muslims in Britain. Defeating racism in Britain and preserving multicultural splendour is much more important than the lives of a few brown-skinned women.

      It’s much easier for the BBC to simply redact a few key words than to work up the energy once again to go through the obligatory “it’s only a tiny minority, wrong ‘uns interpreting their religion incorrectly” song and dance. Sadly, many at the BBC actually believe that last bit, or work very hard to rid themselves of doubt.

  • Hippograd

    The following words did not appear at any time in the report: Muslim, Islam, Koran, Sharia.

    That’s easy to explain. The murder had nothing to do with religion. Like FGM, honour killings are purely a cultural pathology. If something is bad, i.e. displeasing to liberals, it can never be the product of a religion. Unless the religion is Christianity. Islam is responsible only for good things. So if it’s a bad thing, Islam is not responsible. Similarly, blacks commit crimes only because of white racism.

    • Bonkim

      deeply frustrated?

  • Bonkim

    What can people in Britain do to stop this medieval mindset – if only words would help! This is the nature of Pakistani and other South Asian/Middle Eastern societies – stop wasting time even reportin such things – the world is full on such things.

    • Hexhamgeezer

      Aye -0 and there’s a lot of it here.

  • Pootles

    More to the point, how can this be changed? Rod Liddle knows how things work in the media world – what does he suggest?

    • Kennybhoy

      Good question. It cannot be changed.

  • Robertus Maximus

    The only thing which would alter the mindset of the BBC and its Siamese-twin, the Guardian, would be if sharia law was applied to its staff. All the panic-stricken gays, lesbians and adulterers – and all the other prescribed categories – would be handing in their notices – and that would leave precious few to run those two media carbuncles.

    • disqus_KdiRmsUO4U

      It seems clear to me that in the UK militant Muslims are playing a waiting game on the issue of homosexuality.

      It also seems to me that those in the pro homosexual lobby do not recognise that fact.

      How can I say that ? Because as of now neither side references the other.

      In the future when the ‘stones’ begin to fly it will be ‘velly intresting’

      • MC73

        That’s because Muslims beat gays in Libtard top trumps and therefore gays have to remain silent in the face of oppression, in case they get called waaacist.

        • Kennybhoy

          Yup. The day that Muslims trumped gays and feminists was the day I knew for certain that left-liberalism was only explicable in psychological rather than political/philosophical terms…

        • GeeBee36_6

          Exactly. ‘I’ve seen your queer of diamonds and will raise you two Ayatollahs’

      • Robertus Maximus

        They are also playing a waiting game with their “useful idiots” of the Left who excuse almost any act of Islamic barbarity. It matters not a jot – they’ll all be for the chop if the “religion of peace” attains its objective.

      • Uzoozy

        Homosexuality is prohibited in Christianity and Islam. Figure it out

    • Kennybhoy

      “All the panic-stricken gays, lesbians and adulterers…”

      Conjures up images from the works of Hieronymus Bosch and Pieter Bruegel! :-)

  • gerronwithit

    Why is Rod so surprised about the BBC’s reporting? The rest of us have either had to read between the lines or ignored the Biased Broadcasting Cabal for many years.

    • Bonkim

      Is it BBC’s mission to civilize the world?

      • gerronwithit

        I have to admit that I am stumped by your question. If by civilised you mean left wing political correctness sprinkled with warm multiculturalism and deep contempt for anything of an indigenous UK cultural nature, then I would have to agree with you.

        • Bonkim

          What has this murder got to do with multiculturalism or the BBC’s role in the world or British people’s culture at home? Look at this as a news item – in a far off South Asian country riven with terrorism, and internal conflict, a medieval religion and culture, and deeds of a peasant uneducated people.

          Multiculturalism is an invention of Britain of the 1960s and 70s and not many believe that – not many in Pakistan or the Middle East/South Asia have heard of multiculturalism and think it is some quaint British aberration.

          • gerronwithit

            Your last sentence is quite correct, and just for the record I don’t believe in it either.

          • HenryWood

            “What has this murder got to do with multiculturalism or the BBC’s role in the world or British people’s culture at home?”

            What the story on the BBC site shows concerning this murder, is that the BBC will never, ever, ever post a single sentence which is either derogatory or condemning of the role that Muslim beliefs played in this and many other murders around the whole wide world.

            Why they will not do that I do not know. I do not even have any conspiracy theories to explain it away. I only know, by reading their website with my own eyes, occasionally listening to their R4 news broadcasts with my own ears, they will simply never, ever mention the Muslim dimension in such atrocities.

            Mr. Liddle is to be congratulated in pointing this out, but methinks he doth protest too much, unless he now grabs the ball and takes it much further, which I suspect he could well do due to his employment background.

            • Baron

              One explanation offers itself, Henry, the fate of those who did criticise the ROP, and are no longer breathing, hide under police protection, or look over their shoulder. Those within the BBC who decide what news to pump out and how they should be interpreted have obviously no desire to join them.

              • Kennybhoy

                Normally I would agree with you Baron. I tend to favour simple and venal motives such as greed and fear and stupidity as opposed to more complex psychological or ideological/philosophical such. But in this case I am pretty certain that we are dealing with a deep rooted psycho-pathology…:-)

                • Baron

                  You may well be right, Kennybhoy, but the threat of a possible fatwa by a deranged zealot seems a rational explanation for the behaviour of the ‘courageous’ press’ of ours. That, and the danger of falling foul of the hate laws slice it for Baron. no need to dig up Freud.

                • Kennybhoy

                  Okay let’s meet halfway old friend…

                  A toxic mixture of fear, moral-philosophical corruption and psycho-pathology?

                • Baron

                  A deal, Kennybhoy.

              • HenryWood

                Indeed, Baron, and as usual you have probably hit nail right on head.

                Without looking it up, I am sure I have read somewhere of a BBC bloke who said words to the effect of, “Well, we can say whatever we like about most religions, but when somebody says they are coming after you with unsheathed swords, … well … you just have to be careful of what you say.” – That is a paraphrase! [IMPORTANT – I cannot find the relevant quote at the moment, but it *is* out there. When I find it again I will post the link.]

                However, *these* quotes are very freely available which do demonstrate some of the mindset of the BBC:

                Ben Elton:
                “There’s no doubt about it, the BBC will let vicar gags pass but they would not let imam gags pass.”
                “They might pretend that it’s, you know, something to do with their moral sensibilities, but it isn’t. It’s because they’re scared. I know these people.”
                Elton also said it was difficult to use even common sayings: “I wanted to use the phrase ‘Muhammad came to the mountain’ and everybody said, ‘Oh, don’t! Just don’t! Don’t go there!’.”

                Roger Bolton (former editor of Panorama):
                Mr Bolton said it had got to a point where audiences thought it was ‘fun’ to mock Christianity but would not dare laugh at jokes about Islam.

                And I am obliged by criminal law to pay for this?

            • Bonkim

              Free News-media’s role is to report – not value judge the perpetrators’ religions or ethical standards. Also when looking at events in far off lands we forget the people being reported on live in a different location/history/social and economic environment. Pakistan is a medieval country with a complex mix of ethnicity, cultures, and languages. Don’t expect them to behave like people in Britain.

              • GeeBee36_6

                ‘Don’t expect them to behave like people in Britain’.

                I don’t. And exactly because of this, neither do I see why we should want them to come here.

                • Bonkim

                  why wasting writing here – write to your MP or the Times – better results to what you want.

              • HenryWood

                Who is this “Free News-media” you speak of? It is most certainly *not* the biased BBC which leans over all ways to censor, change, adulterate the news to meet standards of I do not know who.
                Fifty years ago I began working overseas in the Oil Patch. I totally relied on the BBC World Service to keep me informed of what was going on in the world.
                I now would not trust them on anything.
                Regarding your last paragraph – no one, including Mr. Liddle, I believe, is expecting the BBC to *DO ANYTHING* to bring change to Pakistan.
                I *DO EXPECT* the BBC to report the truth, the whole truth, and the absolutely unadulterated and uncensored truth of what is going on in Pakistan, IF THEY DECIDE TO BRING US NEWS REPORTS FROM THAT COUNTRY! If they cannot do that, then they should not report!
                Excuse my “yelling”, but foolish platitudes like yours need a robust reponse.

                • Kennybhoy

                  “I now would not trust them on anything.”

                  It was their coverage of, nay, participation in, the destruction of Yugoslavia that was the final straw for me… :-)

                  “Ceterum censeo BBC esse delendam!”

                • HenryWood

                  Oh yes indeed. The coverage of that was even more shameful than the acts of the participants.

                  “Ceterum censeo BBC esse delendam!” – I *LIKE* that!

                • Bonkim

                  This story has been doing the rounds and now getting to be boring. There is plenty of analysis too and gut-feel comments from people who feel but don’t think. The BBC I would have thought had better stories to report than some poor lady being murdered by her Father and brothers for some middle-ages family honour – why bother reporting such things from backward parts of the world in the first place.

                • HenryWood

                  Oh! How boring! A woman is killed, allegedly by her own family and “Bonkim” finds it “boring”.
                  May I impertinently ask where you come from, Bonkim?
                  I suspect you may be from that part of the world where 1,000 “Honour Kilings” happen every year if you really find the murder of a woman by her family to be “boring”.

                  I sincerely hope you are not trying to bring such laws into the UK in the hope that one day you think it will all be so commonplace that we, the residents of the UK, may also find it “boring”.

                  Wherever you come from, wherever you live Bonkim, I find your comments not boring, but *DISGUSTING* !!!

                  Shame on your feelings of boredom, Bonkim.

                • Bonkim

                  Travel around and you will open your eyes – The region is poor, majority of people illiterate, medieval religion and culture, corruption and exploitation rife; this story came to light because it happened in broad daylight close to the court and policemen and no one did anything to stop – that is the greater/tragic story. Otherwise women in the region are treated as chattels, have no independent life outside their parental or marital home.

                  You are welcome to be disgusted – the real question is what are you doing to change the situation in Pakistan or in the many other countries where economic/social organisation, religion, and cultures are similar or in many cases worse.

                  Given you can do sod all except fa rt out pious words – not expecting much.

              • Aberrant_Apostrophe

                “Don’t expect them to behave like people in Britain.”

                So, the BBC should only report on such appalling behaviour when it happens in the UK? Fine, that’s going to be happening soon the way things are going. Oh wait, we’ve already had several cases of “honour killing’ in recent years – just not in public on the steps of a local Mosque.

                • Bonkim

                  BBC will report anything extraordinary anywhere and where there is public interest – more dastardly acts are taking place in many parts of the world – not reported and this story has now been reported ad-nauseum. Not much more to learn. If you see/know of any criminal activity report it to the police, don’t torment yourself about the BBC.

            • HenryWood

              p.s. Sorry to reply to my own post, *but* –
              “[…] I only know, by reading their website with my own eyes, occasionally listening to their R4 news broadcasts with my own ears, […]”

              And for that I pay £145.50!!! Under the threat of a criminal conviction if I do not pay up for this brutally enforced TV Tax.

              I last tuned in to the BBC’s broadcasts at the opening of the London Olympics. When the vomit inducing waltzing nurses hit my screen I switched off. I had met many nurses in the 12 months previous and never, ever want to meet a single one of them again! They almost cost me a leg! Not an arm and a leg, thank God, like the TV licence costs me.

              Where are the rioters who protested against the Poll Tax?
              This is a regressive tax of the same type, yet not a single leftie will raise his voice against it.

              Why not?

              • jesseventura2

                No other country has this tax on free television so where are the low life in parliament calling for privatisation?

            • Uzoozy

              There are so many gruesome killing committed every year.
              Why was sharia added to the comment.

              • HenryWood

                Uzoozy, I cannot see sharia anywhere at all in my comment so what are you talking about, please?

                • Uzoozy

                  I am sorry, however the article mentions it, have a great day

            • jesseventura2

              And if the BBC could get a black gay transgender muslim newsreader WOW WHAT A CATCH?

          • Harryagain

            What it has to do with us is that it is exactly the system muslims wish to inflict on us.

            • Bonkim

              I don’t see anyone inflicting their beliefs on me. Nobody is forcing you to accept what they believe or say.

              • Harryagain

                As the proportion of the population of muslims rises, that’s what they do.
                As in Nigeria right now with a campaign of kidnapping, terrorism and murder.
                Just starting in this country.
                If you can’t see it you’re blind.

                • Bonkim

                  Take sleeping pills and go to sleep – don’t live in fear of the bogie-man.

      • Baron

        So, Bonkim, why do the media and others here get so uptight about Putin’s take on gays? Are we in business in civilising the Russians only?

        • Bonkim

          I don’t worry about laws in other societies – if fact Christianity as other religions does not accept same-sex relationships or marriages regardless of that being made legal in many countries.

          Gay was a nice English word until taken over by homosexuals. Homosexuality was a criminal offence in Britain until recent decades and still is in many parts of the world. So the answer is – it is not for us to civilize the Russians or any others – and why should we think arrogantly that our concepts of civilization is the last word in such matters – not unlike the Missionaries that rampaged across the globe on the back of the colonial forces trying to civilize the nations of the world by converting them to Christianity and on occasion burning them on the stake when they failed to accept the imported religion.

          • Baron

            Agreed, but the point you are missing, and everyone else is stressing, Bonkim, is that the BBC, the rest of the MSM, even the Government do interfere in other countries’s affairs, but selectively. Cameron gives money to gay groups here to campaign in Russia against Putin’s bans on gay propaganda to the young, sends the future monarch to Saudi Arabia where they torture gays, hang them from cranes.

            • Bonkim

              You said it – selectively as suits our self-interest of the time. that is politics. You mus be deluded if you will find any consistent rationale in political decisions.

          • Uzoozy

            Bonkin
            In Nigeria like Boko Haram terrible people.
            They were forced to study in only Christian schools and now they are still taking their revenge (though not correctly)
            Religion religion religion

            • Bonkim

              Are you saying religion is the root of all evil? I have to agree with you there.

      • Kitty MLB

        Its the mission of the BBC and the Left
        to demonize the west, belittle England and
        to cower to eastern religions.

        • Uzoozy

          Tell BBC to stop demonizing Islam and keep it away from news.
          Western society has 5 more times murders than in other parts of the world. Rape one every 7 seconds etc, what are you comparing to.

          • Bonkim

            Which world have you arrived from Uzoozy? Name a few Islamic countries and body counts from murders and terrorist killings and others from general civil disorder and Army/Police please. Also the numbers of under-aged girls abducted raped following strict Islamic Laws and/or sold in slavery, quite apart from being bumped off in dishonourable killings. No one has to demonise Islam – it manages to do so wonderfully unaided.

          • John O’Connor

            The BBC never criticizes Islam. OTOH Islam does a pretty good job of demonising itself by the relentless, ghastly actions of its adherents.

            • Uzoozy

              This ghastly act has been condemned by Muslims there is no honor killing allowed period.
              There are so many acts of violence all over the world however one done by a Muslim becomes a defining act of all Muslims . There are nearly 2 billion Muslims world wide there mainly peace loving people . This world would indeed be different had all of them not done the right thing. Most Muslims are God fearing people.

        • Bonkim

          The BBC I watch – I don’t see any thing like the BBC you watch. I am pretty right-wing and don’t see any commies under the bed in the BBC radio and TV I watch but must confess I don’t watch a lot of TV except the news-channel and BBC2..

      • Aberrant_Apostrophe

        It depends on what you define as ‘civilise’. From the BBC’s Charter:

        The Public Purposes of the BBC are as follows:

        (a) sustaining citizenship and civil society;
        (b) promoting education and learning;
        (c) stimulating creativity and cultural excellence;
        (d) representing the UK, its nations, regions and communities;
        (e) bringing the UK to the world and the world to the UK;

        • Bonkim

          May be the BBC should concentrate on their key objectives that you list and not waste time reporting honour killings in medieval peasant societies such as in Pakistan.

          • Harryagain

            We need to know about such things.
            The same people/religion are walking the streets of the UK right now.
            Some at least want the same things for us.
            There are “honour” killings and murders on the streets by muslims in this country too.

            • Bonkim

              Call the police if you see anything suspicious – and there are many non-Muslims carrying out dishonourable killings, robberies, and rapes in Britain too – travel around the night-spots in some of our cities Fridays and Saturdays. Read in your local papers.

    • Uzoozy

      Killing of any person is not allowed.
      Jail the father for life that will be the proper punishment

      • Bonkim

        Depends on the courts – he will probably go free as many other instances of honour killings or made an example and be hanged.

      • sarah_13

        The guardian has reported that the husband kindly informed the reporter, or someone, that he had in fact strangled his previous wife in order to marry the woman who was stoned!!!!! Words actually fail me.

        • kelvin B

          http://tribune.com.pk/story/715199/farzana-iqbal-case-as-pm-orders-action-police-deny-woman-was-stoned/

          Spectator – never let the truth get in the way of a good story…

          • zoid

            nothing in there to disprove the article above.

            if anything it also raises questions about the punjab govt, the will of police to investigate and punish such crimes and the insanity of a law where blood money will get you off a murder charge….and of course it also raises questions about the rights of women and equality under the law.

            • kelvin B

              Apparently perfectly clear and concise replies don’t get published. So I will have to settle for this

            • kelvin B

              Apparently any response that addresses the issue constructively will not be allowed by the editor…

  • Ricky Strong

    There is a very simple answer to your question Rod, and it can be illustrated thus: print a picture of Mohammad in the Spectator.

    • Bonkim

      Does anyone know how Muhammad looked?

      • Mr Grumpy

        No, but you mustn’t print a picture of what he might have looked like. The Guardian made a grovelling apology for doing so years ago.

        • Bonkim

          Was it Donald Duck?

          • Mr Grumpy

            Very possibly, but the beard made a positive identification difficult.

            • Bonkim

              Everybody had beards in those days – Jesus, Moses, and others – they had not invented hardened steel razors except in India and China at the time, and people knocking about on camels in the desert did not waste water shaving even if they had the means. Most people of the times unless living in tropical paradises in South Asia where they had running water stank, cleaned their bottoms with sand or mud. Even in England they spread wattle to catch the moulting skin and beetles falling from their skin. So I bet one lot looked no different from many others around.

              • RobertC

                “Everybody had beards in those days …”

                What, even the women? :)

                • HenryWood

                  Why do you think they wore burkhas?

                • Bonkim

                  I am sure there would be bearded ladies if you fancy them.

  • Blindsideflanker

    Don’t worry we fill in the BBC’s reporting gaps. They might think their omissions are being politically correct, but all their omissions do is to make the reporting gaps that much more significant, as it is more of an mental exercise for us to fill in the gaps, and so rather than detracting from it actually draws attention to the missing words.

  • Bluesman_1

    Are you surprised Citizen Liddle? The BBC would rather gnaw its collective arm off than state that the basic tenets of that creed (see, I didn’t mention Islam either, oops) are based on savagery that is incompatible with being human, let alone civilised. Pakistan is a blot on humanity and the greater the exposure of these savages the better.

    • Bonkim

      Honour killings are prevalent in many non-Islamic societies – some in Europe – Italy, Greece – Remember westside Story.

      the question is – is it the BBC’s mission to civilize the world?

      • MikeF

        So-called ‘honour’ killings have certainly taken place in non-Islamic societies – southern Europe is a case in point – and may occasionally still do so. But they are utterly at vaiance with the basic precepts of the Christianity that is the established religion in such places and they are not now, even if they ever were, “prevalent” in any worthwhile sense of the word.

        • Bonkim

          Try marrying the daughter of a Cycilian GodFather.

          • Kennybhoy

            Please tell me you are having a laugh…? ;-(

            If not then this and your preceding comment are in the running for the most fuck-witted ever seen on this forum. And believe me, I am a veteran of the old Coffee House Wall and have seen some classic fuck-wittery! lol

            • Bonkim

              Don’t be surprised, reality is more often than not hilarious particularly thinking of those that pretend to be wise and enlightened and have higher standards.

          • laurence

            ‘Cycilian’?

            • Bonkim

              If you don’t like my spelling O.K names are spelt differently in different places and English is a very forgiving language and constantly evolving – so Cycily it is not Sicily. – yes may honour killings taking place in Italy still and the law allows latitude in their interpretation.

              • laurence

                Absolute, unadulterated, unsubstantiated drivel. Where is your evidence? The Godfather trilogy? Miss Saigon? Cats?

      • laurence

        West Side Story? Really? You are claiming that ‘honour killings’, that is ‘murders’, are ‘prevalent’ in non-Moslem societies based upon a musical based upon a play?

        • Bonkim

          Blacks daring to go out with white girls were lynched in the US until the 1950s. Inter-racial marriages were illegal in many states of the US and many parts of the world, and in Europe couples were ostracised – no different in many societies across the globe – past and present. Such things still continue in many parts of the world – whilst the main focus is on the nature of the Middle-Eastern/Islamic societies which are seen to be still clinging to medieval cultural norms.

          • HenryWood

            “Blacks daring to go out with white girls were lynched in the US until the 1950s.”
            I know such truly sickening things happened. *BUT* – were they ever more than the criminal acts of a very small minority in those Southern States?

            Can you in all honesty draw a comparison between a very, few warped and twisted men who committed such murders in the Southern States of America and the mass murders committed in Pakistan today?

            We are talking about an “average” [if *ever* such horrors can be averaged out] of 3 women, every single day, in Pakistan being put to death as honour killings because apparently most people there believe that is right and correct.

            Can you now please tell me when 1,000 “Blacks daring to go out with white girls were [annually] lynched in the US?

            • Bonkim

              Different locations, different cultures, different standards – don’t compare – and those who profess high standards are judged by their higher standards – medieval social norms – that is what they are – no point even discussing such criminal acts.

      • HenryWood

        I’ve not heard of honour killings in “Italy, Greece. or even Westside Story” Can you give a proper reference, please?

        • Bonkim

          Do a little more research and you will find what you seek..

          • Tad_Porter

            ‘Comment is Free’ must be missing one of their regulars.

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