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Exclusive: Nigel Farage doesn’t want to lead the Out campaign

21 May 2014

3:51 PM

21 May 2014

3:51 PM

Nigel Farage has told The Spectator that he doesn’t want to lead the Out campaign come an EU referendum. In an interview, he said, ‘It needs a figurehead and I’m a warrior not a figurehead.’

Farage believes that if Ukip win the European Elections then a referendum will be inevitable. He says that come the referendum, he will play his part ‘I’m a fixed bayonet man, albeit that I don’t see myself as a private. But I see myself leading a division into battle, that’s where I fit in.’

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The Ukip leader wants someone who ‘someone who has been very big in British politics’ to take charge of the No campaign, though Farage doesn’t give any clue as to who that person is. He does, though, say that ‘he regards the Labour MP Frank Field and the former Tory Chairman David Davis as key figures for the Out campaign when the time comes.

Farage’s decision not to run the Out campaign will come as a relief to some Eurosceptics. If the Out campaign is to get to fifty one percent of the vote, it is going to need to be able to reach out far beyond the Ukip vote. Farage is a highly effective politician but he is also a polarising one and a campaign he was the face of would struggle to do that.

You can read the whole interview with Farage in The Spectator which is out tomorrow​


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  • Falcon D. Stormvoice

    “someone who ‘someone who has been very big in British politics’ ”

    Oh?

  • http://semipartisansam.com/ SemiPartisanSam

    This is a smart move. Nigel Farage is owed a great debt for reinvigorating British politics and giving a legitimate political voice to a large swathe of Britons whose views have been steadfastly ignored for too long by the establishment. But the danger of being seen as a “one man band” is real, and serious:

    http://semipartisansam.com/2014/05/20/ukips-weakness-brutally-exposed/

    UKIP and the eurosceptic movement do not currently have a deep bench of political talent from which they can draw in times of emergency or turmoil. They have no one else as charismatic as Nigel Farage, no one cannier with the press, no one better at putting out (or genially dismissing) the various fires that the party’s lesser candidates so frequently start.

    They need to work on this as a matter of urgency, especially if a future “No” campaign is to be effectively fought and won.

  • Pepperless

    I was the 3rd in the queue, this morning, I am predicting a very busy day at the polling station
    I’ve done my bit for God, Queen and Country …………….. in PURPLE

  • http://wrinkledweasel-resurgam.blogspot.co.uk/ wrinkledweasel

    Nigel is not wrong. I have always felt that UKIP is not the end. Nor is it the beginning of the end, but the end of the beginning.

    The debate is not about Nigel, either. It is about our status as a nation state and not a county in Europe. This is not even a party issue. There have been plenty of eurosceptics in all parties.

    I have come to the conclusion that the EU favours a supranational elite, in whose interests it is to pull the economic levers and stay in control. As someone who wishes to retain my right to self-governance I don’t believe it is in the interests of the nation to remain in what is an undemocratic kleptocracy.

    What the EU has done in the last few years has to emulate Hitler. They have eroded democracy and created their own “enabling acts” which have effectively made the will of the common people irrelevant.

    I don’t want this to happen. Call me what you like, but for the moment, UKIP is the only way I can express my view.

    • HookesLaw

      I’m afraid I cannot call you what I like – I would be too ashamed of myself.
      Who is this ‘EU’ ?
      What economic levers does this ‘EU’ pull?
      What economic levers does this ‘EU’ pull in Britain?

      ‘enabling acts’? Like determining the colour of wires in plugs?

      Are you in contact with the planet Earth or signalling from the planet Zog?

      • EschersStairs

        The answer is the EU will pull as many as you let them.If someone, from somewhere other than Britain, without any imperative from the people by election, can make decisions that are above British law and then they become legally enforceable in Britain- then you have a problem.
        Being from the Left, you should be able to recognise Imperialism when you see it.

      • Wessex Man

        Even when the Germans and EU Commissors tell us that 70% of UK law is made in the EU, you still deny, you are a traitor!

      • Dogzzz

        When you cannot vote out the people who make bad laws, you have no democracy, freedom, or liberty. You live under tyranny.

        We cannot now vote out those who make bad law from the EU. We cannot vote out the EU commission or the 3,500 secret working groups which formulate EU law, nor the EU judges which interpret it.

        I do not care if the true figure of what percentage of our laws formulated in Brussels is 7% or 75%. ONE percent is too many!

        The fact that OUR collective sovereignty over our elected parliament has slready been overturned and replaced by a foriegn entity who can IMPOSE upon our parliament laws which we, the people, have no power to reject proves we are now, currently living under a creeping tyranny.

        If you deny these facts, you are denying reality.~

        The real question is, do you support this tryanny or do you support freedom?

  • Ooh!MePurse!

    The only inevitability about a referendum is dependent upon a Conservative government being elected with a majority next May. That is the ONLY way that it will happen. Voting Ukip would make that outcome less likely. Simple commonsense.

    Vote Ukip, get Labour, get no referendum.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      Well if you’re that terrified about the Millipedes, then suggest you not split the UKIP vote, lad.

      • Ooh!MePurse!

        Latest general election polls give Ukip 14%. Your comment is therefore nonsense. Lad.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          Not a question of polling, lad. You’re the one terrified about the Millipedes, and so your recourse is not to split the UKIP vote.

          Not that you socialists are all that keen on helping yourselves to get out of your complaints, because you never really seem to be, and would rather just complain.

        • Wessex Man

          bet you on it!

          • Ooh!MePurse!

            Go and have a look on UK Polling Report.

        • Dogzzz

          You do know that those polls massively under-rate UKIP’s actual level of support, don’t you?

  • The Masked Marvel

    Farage may be in error here. It often seems as if the only thing he’s actually good at is making fiery speeches and verbal assaults on opponents. That’s what he ought to be doing for the Out campaign, and leave the organizing and management to others. Perfect figurehead material, one would have thought.

    • telemachus

      You think that vapid man would influence folks like me

      • The Masked Marvel

        You’re a lost cause. Not involved in this scenario at all.

      • Alexsandr

        not sure many people want to live in the DDR clone police state that you crave, and admitted to on another topic.

      • Holly

        Now that’s funny!

      • Wessex Man

        To influence someone you first have to make sure the vessel’s not empty.

  • mark tayler

    A sensible mature decision by Farage.

    • telemachus

      Cannot be his decision then

      • Wessex Man

        says the troll who supports Ed and Edder!

  • atticus1900

    Labour donor and policy advisor defects to UKIP. The effect is in the message this sends, rather than the money he will contribute:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/05/21/Labour-stalwart-defects-to-ukip

  • JabbaTheCat

    The dear leader again demonstrating his lack of depth on a topic, in that the Electoral Commission would not allow an active politician, even the head of a minority political party, to lead a side in a referendum campaign…

  • Lucy Sky Diamonds

    It requires a team, not one person. Farage will shore up a significant number of voters ie 30% of them – but Farage is correct, it requires someone else to help gather up the ‘I dont knows’.

    The out campaign needs a mixture of personalities from a mixture of backgrounds.

    Farage has played himself down for a good reason, and it is a clever political tactic. The public hate people with self importance and egocentric tendancies.

    • fundamentallyflawed

      Paul Nuttall has been on QT a number of times and does a decent job in the face of the usual racist and xenophobe accusations that are flung his way.

    • HookesLaw

      Yep the man’s a genius. I’m only surprised he has not solved the problem of cold fusion.

      • Alexsandr

        the European Conservatives and Reformists aint exactly squeaky clean.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …has he solved the problem of global warmingist kookiness that you socialist Camerluvvies are enthralled with, lad?

        • you_kid

          Why would anyone care about that when they fire up their Russian coal-fuelled electricity supply, or their Norwegian gas-fuelled heating systems? Lad.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            …can any other of you socialist nutters translate this envirowhacko nutter’s gibberish?

            • Wessex Man

              no, we’ll have to get a playgroup supervisor in for that!

              • you_kid

                Why would anyone care about globull worming kookiness when our supply of coal is imported from Russia and gas from Norway?

  • Frank

    Du calme, as we say in Brussels. Interesting article, but you need to know how the Scottish vote has gone before you can start fighting the EU exit battle.

    • telemachus

      The Scottish referendum has been won already by Better together

  • Colonel Mustard

    You might think that the three plasticine parties would have twigged by now that it’s Farage’s less than polished, flawed but human demeanour that is attracting voters.

    Here’s a message for YOU Cameron, since you like sending them so much. People are tired of spin and the endless artful propaganda of flocks of overpaid, under experienced wonk spads.

    • fundamentallyflawed

      I believe the spectator ran an article a few months ago where it suggested that modern politicians are deliberately bland so to turn off voters rather than engaging them. Farage has his faults and will probably have a poor general election campaign but at least he dares to be different.

      • telemachus

        Like Oswald Mosley

        • fundamentallyflawed

          I doubt Farage will be a member of a Labour government. And he does not oppose free trade either. So not really

        • Wessex Man

          learn a little history you bigot.

      • HookesLaw

        Yes. Dares to be different.
        I cannot believe it but is it true that UKIP and Farage actually voted against the ban on ivory trading?
        They never usually bother to vote on amything, just claim their expenses, but to turn up with the intention of voting agaisnt this is truly shocking.
        To be honest I don’t believe this story, not even of Farage. Please tell me its not true.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          You Camerluvvie nutters voted to aid the islamofascist ivory traders, laddie, in their quest to murder Christians and enslave people.

          Take a break, you racist socialist nutter.

        • fundamentallyflawed

          Partially true and spun into falsehood I believe. If I remember Farages version UKIP vote against any extension of EU powers and control regardless of content as a matter of principle as befits there anti-EU stance. There was a motion of some sort to restrict the trade on certain goods, of which ivory was certainly one but as it was an extension of EU control UKIP duly voted against it. However to say UKIP does not support a ban on Ivory is untrue.

        • RichardBaranov

          Britain is already signed up to the CITES treaty which bans anyone from importing ivory into G.B. or any other country.
          DEFRA also bans the importation of ivory into Britain.
          The reason that UKIP voted against the EU legislation is because it was redundant, yet another useless piece of bureaucracy from the self important oafs in Brussels.

        • Lady Magdalene

          It was another power grab from the EU, not a ban on ivory trading.
          We are already signatories of the CITES Treaty, banning importation of ivory into the UK.

  • OOutRAjious Curry

    Frank Field and Davis Davis both the best of their parties, NF (oh no what unfortunate initials haha!) has finely political antenna it seems..

    • telemachus

      Excellent spot
      He should change his forename to Geert

  • Will Rees

    Didn’t Hitler start out advocating for some great leader that wasn’t him. As glad as I am Mr Farage doesn’t consider himself the figure head, good luck to anybody who thinks they can get UKIP to toe a line

    • UniteAgainstSocialism

      No. Hitler was the “genious” and the only man who could reform europe and create a new European Order that was more to his liking. Its a bit Similar to David Cameron and his European reforms really. Cameron and Hitler have another thing in Common, theyre both socialists

      Vote UKIP

      • telemachus

        Of course Cameron is a socialist
        He had that drilled into him at school

    • Makroon

      Adolf used von Hindenburg as his “cloak of respectability” in the early days.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …sorta like your boy the H2B used his hero Tone as his cloak of respectability, then?

  • colliemum

    That’s yet another reason why I’ll vote UKIP tomorrow, and why so many of us think so highly of Nigel Farage: he isn’t the smooth Establishment politician wafting about the corridors of Whitehall.
    Do you think Cameron, or Clegg or indeed Miliband would be so honest in their assessment of themselves?
    No, me neither …

    But if we’re going to speculate who’d make a good figurehead – note well, Nigel Farage didn’t say ‘campaigner’! – I suggest Lord Tebbit would fit the bill.

    • IainRMuir

      “I suggest Lord Tebbit would fit the bill.”

      I believe he’s more or less ruled himself out. He’s getting on a bit and has to look after his unfortunate wife.

      ABC – anyone but Cameron.

      • telemachus

        Is that Tebbit the Essex skinhead has been?

        • Stigenace

          Yes, 83-year-old politician is past it.

          Furthermore, Vera Lynn is a 93-year-old bag, June Whitfield is an 88-year-old bat, Dennis Norden is a 92-year-old dodderer. Why can’t these people leave the stage and allow some youngsters a chance.

          This is what passes for respect for the elderly in the world of Telemachus.

          • telemachus

            Respect where respect is due
            Now Dennis Skinner would be a different kettle

        • Alexsandr

          that’ll be norman tebbitt who has cared for his wife since the brighton bombings. That level of commitment needs commending IMHO

          • telemachus

            Not a good reason to ask him to lead a campaign
            Loook at McCain in the US

            • Alexsandr

              no. but its a b100dy good reason to respect him.

              • telemachus

                I love McCain
                I feel he recovered fantastically from an ordeal that would have broken an ordinary man
                I am surprised given his history why he was not a democrat

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  He’s an unconvicted criminal swindler and serial liar, so it’s not surprising you lefty nutters would favor him.

            • Wessex Man

              You are a sick troll arn’t you.

        • IainRMuir

          You’re not worth bothering with.

        • mitate

          “essex skinhead has been”.
          i avoid you on these pages, for obvious reasons. you typify the jealous, resentful lefty, who only knows how to sneer at anyone who dares differ with your dogma. but in making the comment above you’ve sunk to a new low. shame on you.

        • Wessex Man

          Yeah that’s the one, who on any day of the week even at his age would wipe the floor with as lightweight like you.

    • Lady Magdalene

      We need two figureheads – one from the Right, one from the Left.

      • mitate

        so that’s frank field and david davis, two westminster politicians still with principles. nigel couldn’t pick better.

  • Jonathan Munday

    If UKIP do as well as hoped tomorrow, I think we will see an earthquake as in 1923, when the Labour Party replaced the Liberals. Farage will be needed to manage that process. The Liberals cease to exist, the Conservatives were the Southern establishment, Labour was the northern establishment but UKIP are the opposition everywhere. UKIP are refounding Mrs Thatcher’s coalition and Disraeli’s coalition of the patriotic working class and the ordinary middle class.

    Labour and the Conservatives seem so strong now but they are houses built on sand. Both are proven economically incompetent, both are widely loathed in their own special ways, both represent a self serving elite and both are internationalist in outlook when the zeitgeist is moving rapidly the other way. The next twelve months will prove how rotten is the facade.

    Farage needs to come forward with the programme of a government party. Putting policy flesh onto the rhetorical bones. Cameron is hated, Milliband is despised. Clegg is ignored and has already been bested. Anything’s better than that.
    The issue for the rest of 2014 is not a referendum, it is government

    If UKIP come first and anything much above 30% on Sunday then all bets are off.

    • Reconstruct

      I think you might be right. Right now, the smell of burned bridges hangs over the (leadership of the) Conservative party. This will have to change, because in all honesty I cannot see Nigel Farage managing the transition by which UKIP becomes the party of government – it’s just too big a leap without a powerful infrastructure (financial, ideological, organizational) to support him when he’s down or baffled.

      Personally, I’d like to see the emergence of a Farage/David Davis alliance in some form, which would be enough to undercut/isolate the West London tories.

      • Jonathan Munday

        I think the only way this can be achieved in practice, without UKIP giving up its “rebel without a pause” status (Any formal pact is anathema and wholly counter-productive from UKIP’s point of view), is for someone like David Davis leading a large group of MPs out of the Conservatives and into UKIP. This would leave Cameron the leader of a fully modernised rump of a Conservative party and the heir to the then dead LibDems.
        Or better he could putsch Cameron and bring over the machine and the money too. The essential point is that to maintain the political momentum and the sense of rebellion the Conservatives must join UKIP, not the other way around. The Conservatives are a damaged brand, who have had their Ratner moment (May’s “The nasty party”) and are a southern rump unelectable, for the forseeable future, even in large parts of England, let alone the Celtic fringe.

        • telemachus

          This week we see the peak of UKIp
          Next week in the cold light of day people will wake up
          The Tories are safe
          But they will still lose in 2015

          • Alexsandr

            methinks you mistake wishful thinking with analytical psephology.

            • telemachus

              We will see

              • Alexsandr

                thats a yes then.

                • telemachus

                  On the contrary

              • UniteAgainstSocialism

                You socialists have had your day. When Scotland votes to give England its freedom later this year, thats the end of socialism in our country and the end of your murderous ideology. The Labour Party wont be around to celebrate its 100th birthday.

                The futures bright, the future is socialist free

                Vote UKIP

                • telemachus

                  Neither I nor you believe that
                  There will be a temporary numbers problem but then we will be back
                  2 things to ponder
                  First governments lose elections
                  Second the Tories are now just a Home Counties policy

                • UniteAgainstSocialism

                  oh i believe it very much. Socialism is a cancer on humanity and needs to be cut out and destroyed before it kills us all. Take Ed Milibands Climate Change Act for example, its murdered tens of thousands of the working class.

                  The Tories are a Home Counties party, but UKIP is the Party for the whole Country

                  The futures bright, the futures purple – Vote UKIP

                • Pier66

                  You means that The Tories are a Home Counties..yes Home Championship… why we withdrawn from FIFA mafia and
                  back play British Tournment much much nice fair..

                • Pier66

                  you know when you’ll back at the end of the world…
                  We don’t want lib lab back in power never again

          • Colonel Mustard

            You have done wonders for UKIP votes by your serial trolling here. Keep it up! Let’s have a tag from you on every single comment.

        • Ooh!MePurse!

          A formal pact with Ukip is anathema to me as a Conservative!

          You are mixing up ‘the north’ with ‘northern cities’. Take a look at an electoral map of the UK and note the huge swathes of blue in the north of England.

          Also, look at the opinion poll ratings for Cameron. He is not hated. You make the mistake made by many with strong political views of thinking that your view is shared by the mass of the electorate. That’s reinforced by blogging on sites like this with people of the same view falling over themselves to agree with one another.

          You also have a hopelessly deluded view of what victory in the Euro elections will mean for Ukip. Nothing will change as people will start to focus on which political party (as opposed to religious sect) they will vote for. The threat of a Labour government will soon concentrate minds. Ukip will get around 3 to 5% in May 2015.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            You should go and bet your prediction, lad. You’ll get very good odds. Most disagree with you apparently, silly them.

    • Blindsideflanker

      “I think we will see an earthquake”

      I hope you are right, but some how doubt it. The Westminster bubble are so arrogant it will be more than likely they will ignore the result. Accountability doesn’t extend to their smug self satisfied world.

      • The Laughing Cavalier

        You’re right, there will be platitudes along the lines of “We hear what you’re saying”, they will assume that the sheep will return to the fold in May 2015 and they will carry on as before.

    • Kitty MLB

      You may find that whenever any party becomes the establishment that people
      will have issues. And to govern this country you have to be part of the establishment. Anyone can throw stones and say what is popular when they
      have no responsibility. If UKIP want to be an alternative to the main parties,
      and hopefully replace Labour as the party for the working classes. It does need to tread very carefully because it were to have seats at Westminster
      it would be the establishment and might be in coalition one day.
      I agree with you though Nigel Farage needs to get some policies and start
      saying what he’s for instead of against.
      And no one actually hates Cameron, they hate Blair and Brown, amuse themselves with the fool Milipede and despise Clegg. They just thing Cameron
      should not have gone into coalition but basically regardless of his mistakes
      and naivety he still is a decent chap..

      • telemachus

        MLB
        This is the most sage analysis of the position I have yet read
        UKIP will never be the alternative to the main parties because it lacks depth in both personnel and policies

        • Kitty MLB

          I can hear a buzzing wasp around my head again. Where the devil is that insect spray.

          • telemachus

            You would do better to reach for your epipen

          • Wessex Man

            You see you make silly statements and you get the local troll agreeing with you!

        • Alexsandr

          the labour party was formed in 1900. it took till 1945 till it could muster a majority in the commons. Do you think Labour was mature and had depth in 1900?

          • telemachus

            Yes
            Labour was a movement that grew into a party to enforce well trodden socialist ideals

            • Holly

              ….And trampled them into the ground by pretending to be what it’s supporters detested in the other lot.

              • telemachus

                Look
                When the right control the levers they concentrate resources onto their own
                The role of the left is to improve the lot of the many

            • Colonel Mustard

              Its the poor saps who were well trodden under by those socialist ideals who concern me, The unsung victims of socialism, sadly forgotten in the leftist clamour to repeat their persecution here.

              • telemachus

                But balance that against those dragged from abject poverty and given self respect

                • Colonel Mustard

                  That is not exactly the record for those depressed areas burdened with Labour MPs. On the contrary Labour representation appears to condemn its constituents to a life on benefits with no hope for aspiration, enterprise or social mobility. The record of socialism in foreign climes is even more extreme, most recently seen in Venezuela.

                  Mrs Thatcher described it well when she indicated that in narrowing the gap between rich and poor Labour always manage to lower the former rather than raise the latter.

                  It’s all very well boasting about your ideology but the practical record of it is dire and the compete inability and unwillingness of socialists to learn from their mistakes let alone admit them has condemned many to misery. At the end of the day the socialist creed “I create chaos but I care” is a worse prospect for society than any UKIP poster.

              • Wessex Man

                I bet he’s never had a real job in his life Colonel!

                • telemachus

                  If you but knew son
                  Not only did I have to work 13 factory nights to pay for my humble education with Tariq but I have to continue to toil past pension age to enable my children 2 of whom are now married to have a roof given the high property prices in London driven by the immoral banking bonuses
                  *
                  Think on that as you chalk your cross today

                • saffrin

                  You have to continue to toil past pension age to enable your children, 2 of whom are now married, to have a roof over their head given the high property prices in London, driven by the last immoral Labour Government’s policy of flooding the country with almost Four Million Third World Immigrants, all of whom had to live somewhere, increasing demand for housing, forcing prices far beyond anything most families could afford, increasing the borrowing requirements and habits of an entire nation which led to false accounting, dodgy and poorly regulated banking.
                  In short, you are still having to work past pension age because the last Labour Government fed us a crock of sh*t for thirteen years, wrecked and divided an entire nation and have been living in denial ever since.

            • saffrin

              Yeah, as in Jack boots.
              Threats hate and lies = Labour 1995-201…style.

        • Holly

          A lot similar to Labour then….Maybe Farage will get more Labour supporters jumping ship than some bods reckon he will.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            That’s the only real action to be concerned with, if you’re a political junkie. Does UKIP draw enough Lab action as to force the Millipedes to shift position somehow? The Camerluvvies are dumb, but the Millipede just might be clever enough to try to seduce back those wandering sheep. Stay tuned.

            • Makroon

              There ! I knew you were a socialist supporting troll !
              Red clever ? (or, as he put it “intellectually self-confident”) ?
              Bwahahahahaha !

              • the viceroy’s gin

                …you mean, clever as opposed to your hero Call Me Dave?

      • Wessex Man

        Come off it, isn’t this what Blair said, so to bolster your bloke you use one of Tone’s own remarks abourt him but then again that’s who he styled himself on, so in an odd way you are spot on and we all know what happened to that S***** don’t we!

        On to policies what are the Tory polices? You know as well as I do they won’t be releasing them until after this European Election!

        • Kitty MLB

          I don’t think that person saying people ‘ hate’ the main parties
          is very helpful. Hate is a very extreme word.
          And I as a Conservative, one who is supportive of UKIP am
          allowed to have an opinion and I am sure UKIP would not
          wish to offend such as I. It might remind me to support
          those who attack my party. Just as you do yours.

          • Wessex Man

            no nor do I, so I don’t see the point you are trying to make! It’s you that’s saying they hate Blair and Brown who are yesterdays men and so to will be Cameron who styled himself on a yesterday man. I feel the lyrics of a song coming on!

  • Rhoda Klapp8

    Somebody ought to read RAE North’s exit plan. The old curemudgeon knows what he is talking about and we can’t afford to be unprepared or not to have answers to all the lies as well as the difficult questions. I don’t know about having some member of the great and good in charge of it. They ALL have baggage, grudges,long-remembered slights and so on. They’ve all had a go and got nowhere.

    • telemachus

      All should have baggage
      Do we want perfection in our representatives?

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …how about at least avoiding you criminal socialists?

      • Wessex Man

        for the money we pay the clowns YES!

  • Ricky Strong

    Send in Rees-Mogg.

    I would vote Conservative if he led the charge.

    • Holly

      I just love Rees-Mogg!
      He is absolutely gorgeous!
      He’d take some folks a while to get used to, in this modernly, backward society, but he’d be great.

      • telemachus

        Another rightist has been

        • Holly

          Sitting on the government benches…unlike your lot.

      • Ricky Strong

        He is a joy to listen to when speaking in the commons. A sharp mind with fantastic delivery. A true blue.

  • jamesbarn

    Well you wont get a referendum from Cameron, he doesn’t want one, he even called a threeline whip to stop his back benchers voting for one in the HOC. This is Camerons real position on a referendum from the man himself, These promises are just a ploy he hopes will get him elected see for yourself
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcbOfIHM_D0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1JReyGsdOA

    • fundamentallyflawed

      Cameron’s referendum argument is based upon so called negotiation something that has already been declared impossible at the top level of Europe. And how do we decide if these negotiations are a success (a poll in The Sun perhaps). Camerons talk is desperation and an attempt to delay the issue and hope it all blows over.

      • telemachus

        The Eurozone is in danger of deflation and Merkel needs to take full charge of the Euro and get rid in particular of French influence
        To do this she needs Cameron
        He will prevail

        • fundamentallyflawed

          But telemachus you are a follower of Milliband and the chosen one Ed Balls, who are believers in the French Socialist Monetary policies that have wrecked havoc across the French nation. Surly Merkel needs the french more than ever if Balls and co are to be proven right

          • telemachus

            Son
            I am above all a realist
            What I want is unimportant
            We are dealing with power blocks here
            *
            Later we will see Balls seize power in the Labour party and then the country

            • Colonel Mustard

              The phrase “seize power in the country” is not attractive. I hope people note it coming from a SWP member masquerading as Labour.

              • telemachus

                I do confess to a sneaking admiration for the actions of Martin Smith
                And the activism of Julie Sherry
                But the organisation is too rigid on the one hand and too factious on the other for me

                • Colonel Mustard

                  ‘sneaking’ being the operative word.

                • Wessex Man

                  Well they have worked very hard with Red Len of Falkirk fame spreading propaganda against UKip in this election, so people know what they will get if they are daft enough to vote Labour ever again!

            • Alexsandr

              most people see b0110cks as an economic illiterate. and shudder at the thought of him being in government again.
              and you still have harriet harperson awaiting high office again. How will a government with a paedophile apologist in the cabinet work?

              • telemachus

                Balls is a charismatic superstar
                He makes folks smile

                • Alexsandr

                  i think you mistake smiling with suffering from wind.

                • Wessex Man

                  Yeah he should be on the stage on the Fringe at Edinburugh!

                • Erictheowl

                  He should be on the stage at the Pierhead, tying up ferry boats.

            • bluegold

              Hahahahahaha I almost choked on my goulash, Ed Balls couldn’t seize power if he climbed into a generator at Drax wearing a tin foil onesie (though it might suit him better than the SS outfit he has worn previously).

            • chudsmania

              Later we will see Balls seize power in the Labour party and ruin the country yet again. Edited for accuracy.

        • Wessex Man

          what’s it like in your little world? no don’t tell me, I don”t feel particularly good today with a hangover, I expect you world is much like that always!

  • Kitty MLB

    Well a referendum will happen regardless in 2017, unless heaven forfend Labour
    are the government next year. They have categorically said NO to a referendum.
    And Mr Farage has said he will support Mr Cameron in this, country before party.
    I agree it needs to be an established figurehead who is also a warrior.
    We need both because of the wretched Leftie establishment in this country. The
    Labour Party, Media, BBC etc. etc.
    Frank Field is respected but how much will Labour allow him to speak freely
    besides he’s a rather softly spoken gentleman. Needs someone with gravitas.
    David Davis maybe or Douglas Carswell maybe.

    • Ray Veysey

      Carswell would be slipping from side to side with the polls, changing his mind daily to make sure he is on whatever side wins.

    • Shazza

      Dan Hannan is a possibility.

      • MarcusJuniusBrutus

        hahahahah
        no

        • Shazza

          You think we need more of a street fighter? With charisma? Who do you suggest?

          • Holly

            Iain Dale!
            I’ve seen him fight with a bloke, and he even got the blokes own dog to help him.
            Superstar or what.

            • Shazza

              I’m a big fan of his but I’m not so sure…….

              • Kitty MLB

                I nearly offended that lovely man once. I mentioned in the closet as in Alice of Wonderland and he thought I meant
                something else. I was utterly mortified and he being a gentleman fell on his sword to defend me. But I am not too
                sure about him with that task , it needs someone with Wellington type qualities.

                • Holly

                  PADDINGTON!
                  Love that bear!

                • Wessex Man

                  Well that’s not going to come from the chinless wonders of the modern new ‘improved’ Tory party is it?

          • MarcusJuniusBrutus

            I think we need 2-3 – maybe a triumvirate. We need a Tory and we need someone from Labour. Hannan comes across as too close to Cameron. Maybe David Davis.

            • Wessex Man

              No what we nned are real politicians who actually care abouut this country and it’s people!

            • Shazza

              Good thinking.

      • IainRMuir

        All talk. Well constructed arguments, but all talk nevertheless.

        • Shazza

          Maybe a bit too cerebral for the general public?

          • Wessex Man

            no just empty talk.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          Yes, the bubble owns his soul.

        • Makroon

          And if Redwood is a “Martian”, Hannan comes from a galaxy far, far away. Klingon maybe ?

    • Wessex Man

      in case you haven’t noticed ‘the wretched Leftie establishment in this country. The Labour Party, Media, BBC etc, etc, also included Call me Dave and his disgraful propaganda machine in full flow against UKip. The current Tory Party are a joke, who jump on any empty bandwagon and still get it wrong!

  • perdix

    If ukip win the European Elections and voters continue to vote that way in the General Election there will be no Referendum. Milipede won’t offer one even if he is down in the elections and its impossible for EU pensioner Clegg to offer one.

    • MarcusJuniusBrutus

      If voters vote the same way, UKIP will form a majority parliament…

    • telemachus

      Cameron might just do it
      If so he will get a credible negotiation
      And win the referendum

    • Makroon

      Mr Farage, contrary to the Kippers on here, seems convinced that there WILL be a referendum, so presumably thinks Cameron will win in 2015 and will stick to his word on the referendum.
      Like all good opportunists, Nigel is also positioning himself to shout “it woz UKIP wat did it”, to claim the credit for a referendum, and, to be fair, he can justifiably argue that it was UKIP pressure which forced Cameron to commit to consulting the population.

      • Wessex Man

        well if there is a referendum it will be and Cameron will be long gone!

      • the viceroy’s gin

        Yes, you Camerluvvies are good about presuming what people think, including Farage.

        Unfortunately, your fantasies don’t really provide much of a basis for predicting Call Me Dave’s future, as it’s clear to about everybody but you that in 11.5 months (or less), Call Me Dave’s head will be mounted on a spike.

  • HookesLaw

    How does say 33% voting for an Out party against 67% voting for In parties make a referendum inevitable.
    There will be a referendum in 2017 if enough people vote Tory.

    Any serious person wishng to see the UK Out of the EU would not let Farage within a million miles of a referendum campaign. It does beg the question of who would in fact lead an Out campaign.
    In 2017 David Davis will be 68. Frank Field will be 74. Key demographic.

    • Andy M

      Because of the 67% voting for In parties, very few are voting for them specifically on that issue. Of the 33% voting for the Out party, most of them are voting specifically because of that issue. It’s likely many of the 67% would potentially want out but are still voting Tory because of the fear of a Labour government.

      • HookesLaw

        Is it? How does an election for an EU parliament bring in a Labour govt.

        • telemachus

          By giving Ukip the credibility to split the 43 marginals sufficient to deliver them to Labour in 2015

          • Wessex Man

            perfect the two biggest nutters here talking to each other, please keep it up and show the world how fake you are.

      • Makroon

        If UKIP get 33% at least 20% will be voting anti-immigrant, not anti-EU. There are stacks of people worried about immigration, far fewer obsessed with the EU.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          Gollie gee whillickers, you Camerluvvies are sure good with numbers. I guess that’s the reason you were able to double the debt so quickly. .

    • Lucy Sky Diamonds

      Not enough lateral thinking from yourself.

    • Holly

      ‘Any serious person wishing to see the UK out of the EU would not let Farage within a million miles of a referendum campaign’….Erm…Isn’t that what Farage has said?????…..
      He will NOT lead the OUT campaign.

      • HookesLaw

        Yes …. so what? I said near not lead.

        • Holly

          So are you saying UKIP should run their campaigns the same way Labour are running theirs????

          Sending their leader into TV studios & make him ‘act normal’ while trying to eat a bacon butty….with tomato ketchup!
          Meanwhile the rest of the shadow cabinet sit at Balls & Coops, drinking champers having a right old giggle, and rubbing their hands with glee at the Balls, Coop, Harpy hostile takeover.
          No wonder Miliband is so eager to put a stop to such things…

    • Makroon

      And Vince Cable, the new leader of the LibDem rump, will be about 102.

  • telemachus

    I suggest Gove
    That should give the right result

    • HookesLaw

      I suggest Brown to lead the In campaign that should give the kippers the result they want.

      • fubarroso

        Nice one Hooky! Have an uptick.

        • HookesLaw

          If there is to be a 2017 referendum then Cameron will have to have won with a majority. It means that Miliband would go and a new labour leader. Kippers should start thinking about who that might be who could put off the voters.
          Of course no Cameron means no referendum and crypto marxist europhile Miliband in charge of our relationship with Europe.

          • fubarroso

            To be honest I think 2017 is far to early for an in/out referendum. It will be around 2918/19 when the EU get around to having their next treaty ready so a referendum on that treaty, if the triple lock hasn’t been removed by then, is more likely to come first. If that results in rejection of the new treaty then it should spark an immediate in/out referendum, which could be in early 2020.

            • perdix

              Not all objections by eurosceptics will be achieved in 2017. It will be a long and difficult battle to change Europe. We need to stay in the EU to prevent the nations of Europe from creating a structure which would be to our definite disadvantage – the French overtly, the Germans covertly. It has been Britain’s historic role to maintain the balance of power in Europe and we should keep that as our aim. If, after a few decades of struggle we do not achieve our goals we should plan to leave.

              • Conway

                The structure of the EU is already to our definite disadvantage. Everybody uses corpus juris, for a start. They don’t like capitalism and the City of London and Anglo-Saxon is a dirty word.

              • fubarroso

                We’ve given it four decades and they are still headed in what we alone consider the wrong direction. It has almost brought this country to its knees. We can’t afford to give it much longer or we will be totally subsumed into a federal superstate. No thanks! Out as soon as practicable.

            • HookesLaw

              I do not see why it is too early. where is your source for a treaty change around 2019.

              • fubarroso

                Just going by history. How long was the EU Constitution/Lisbon Treaty in gestation before it came to fruition? All the EU treaties have taken several years in the making and if this next one is anything like the federalist Spinelli Group draft it will be more controversial than it’s predecessors.

          • MarcusJuniusBrutus

            Depends. What if UKIP keep the momentum high?

            • HookesLaw

              Polls do not show that on Westminster elections. They show UKIP letting in a Europhile labour govt led by a crypto marxist.

              • the viceroy’s gin

                …you best not split the UKIP vote then, lad .

              • saffrin

                If Cameron didn’t want a Labour Government 2015, he’d have done something about postal voting.
                Besides, much of Labour’s traditional support is going to UKIP.
                Even Labour’s pro-EU indoctrinated youth know why they can’t find work.
                Immigrants.

          • Makroon

            If Red is defeated and goes, the new leader will be one of the same gang – either Mili D. or Cooper Balls, with an extended period of in-fighting. These two gangs have so monopolised power, that no fresh faces have been allowed to emerge yet.

      • saffrin

        Yeah, I can well imagine Brown’s stage smile as he explains to Britain’s school children that it would be racist of him to promise them jobs.

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