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Ed Miliband’s position on immigration doesn’t inspire confidence

16 May 2014

16 May 2014

What did he say? Did Ed M really admit that the Labour Party didn’t realise that immigration would have a different impact on different classes? Yes, actually, he did. In an interview with Martha Kearney, he admitted that Labour in government didn’t realise that immigration was a class issue. Which really makes you wonder what the party is good for.

Remember, what we are talking about is 3.8 million individuals coming to Britain in the course of ten years …  net foreign migration, mark you, and not counting illegal migration. If Labour couldn’t work out the impact of an influx of nearly four million people in a decade, most of them from outside the EU, on working class jobs, on community cohesion, on house prices and on services, then there are just two possibilities. Either the party wasn’t listening to its own voters (mind you, it didn’t get any help there from the trades unions), or it did listen and didn’t care. (Labour’s inner circle, obviously, were among the middle class beneficiaries of increased asset values, cheaper nannies and exciting new diversity in the restaurant sector.) Either way, this doesn’t inspire much confidence in Ed’s being in touch with reality, or his commitment to do better next time.


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  • gari

    It was somebody who had been in cabinet in previous Tory governments which severely narrows it down.
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  • JimmyC

    This is was very cynical of labor. They must have known that yes, their immigration policy might eventually get them kicked out of office once the effects became fully known, but it would only ever be on a temporary basis as their newly transplanted voters became entrenched. Combine that with their attempts to control the thoughts of people with their hate speech law nonsense and planting of cronies in quangos, and Labor has ensured they will always remain in power unless serious action is taken.

    Conseratives (not the tories, all conservatives) need to stop pulling their punches and just, attack Labor relentlessly on all fronts on all issues, until they are dragged down to a position where they will remain in opposition for ever.

  • evad666

    Was John Smith assassinated by foreign interest to get Blair into power to ruin the UK? Once in Power Blair worked hard to enrich himself not by writing a 3 Volume History like Churchill did but by creating a familial income stream through the Human Rights Act. Blair then departed hurriedly having filled his pockets with Danegeld and shredding his expenses he handed over the reigns of power to his Chancellor who continued to fete that Whore Prudence.

  • tres66

    What arrogance Ed! Do you think we believe you? Is that all you need to say and everything will be all OK?

  • balance_and_reason

    He is lying. It is central to Labour’s re-election policy. Never mind it impacts Labours central voter base…much more important to them is to make sure they get re-elected in the future. Check voting intentions of various immigrant groups and see who seems to be largest beneficiary of this…cynical gerrymandering…I thought it was a crime.

  • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

    It inspires confidence in my UKIP vote.

  • Martin Jennerson

    This guy is totally inept – contrast the complete patsy interviews he gets compared to the way Farage is treated, pathetic.

  • Denis_Cooper

    Instead of always leaving it to duplicitous politicians to decide our immigration policy we the citizens should have our direct say in a referendum.

    It could be structured like the opinion poll from last March mentioned here:

    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2013/03/there-is-no-left-and-right-expect-in-political-imagination.html

    in which respondents were asked the question:

    “What should be the maximum allowed level of annual immigration?”

    and offered options ranging from zero to “No limit”.

    The median response in that survey was about 70,000 a year, that is to say
    half of the respondents thought gross immigration of 70,000 a year would
    be too high while the other half thought it would be too low.

    On the chart there’s an outlier of 6% saying “No limit”; unfortunately those
    in control are among that 6% and they do their best to ignore the wishes of
    the great majority of the citizens.

  • Lady Magdalene

    The Speccie needs a new Headline Writer.
    “Miliband doesn’t inspire confidence.”
    There ….. fixed it for you. Now get it right next time.

  • cartimandua

    The rate of ethnic minority unemployment and youth unemployment has gone up in parallel with vast inward migration.
    So who do the pro EU people actually care about?

  • Gary Smith

    The man is a fuckin dud as my mate said to me in the pub tonight . Same man has forecast the last 5 elections gut feeling ?

  • Lady Magdalene

    It was a deliberate policy to
    a) rub the rights nose in diversity
    b) change the face of Britain forever and create a truly multicultural society
    c) as Dr John Reid admitted, the Treasury wanted it to cause wage depression
    But anyone, why should the public educated toffs and millionaires of the Labour leadership understand the impact on the working classes. They’ve never come into contact with someone to actually had to toil for a living. To the champagne socialists, immigration means an interesting, ethnic restaurant and a cheap au pair.

    • Mrs Josephine Hyde-Hartley

      In my view, the most effective way any government/treasury has indeed managed to implement “wage depression” is via the preposterous, pretentious invention of the current (And future, folks!) student loan set up. Of course people in general will not want to get paid a lot if it means they have to pay back some past gotten student loan to the government.

      • Andy

        Then don’t go to University. Perhaps we should privatise University education – if you want it you pay for it.

    • Andy

      It wasn’t ‘change the face of Britain forever’, but change the face of England. Lets ship loads of immigrants to Scotland, change the make up of Scotland and then lets see how the SNP likes it.

  • Mrs Josephine Hyde-Hartley

    In forty four seconds, ed Miliband said the word ” issue” five times. Has he got an “issue” ?

  • Mrs Josephine Hyde-Hartley

    As a general ( albeit largely unwritten) rule, the only people who can truly and correctly “transfer power” to the EU are ordinary members of the general public (with or without a contract) when necessary or appropriate. This is because technically (only) we can have our cake and eat it. This is not an issue.

  • Mrs Josephine Hyde-Hartley

    Any government that makes a so-called “issue” out of immigration has lost the plot.

  • Mrs Josephine Hyde-Hartley

    The labour party or any other so-called party had or has no right to “dismiss” any genuine concern raised by an ordinary member of the general public. Didn’t the last labour government bring in the public disclosure thing? What on earth do these issue mongers think the point of raising a concern is about?

  • Mrs Josephine Hyde-Hartley

    Why does Ed Miliband love saying the word “issues” so much?

  • Conway

    Neather!

  • Smithersjones2013

    Ed Miliband’s position on immigration doesn’t inspire confidence

    Well given the Tories record on immigration in this government is no better than Labour’s and Cameron has vowed to keep the floodgates from Europe open it would seem neither of these morons has a grasp of reality……..

  • Tony_E

    It’s rubbish. They knew full well what would happen as did the rest of us.

    Quite simply, they didn’t care.
    There was political advantage in it, so they did it. It would ‘Rub the right’s nose in diversity’, and ‘render their arguments out of date’. They thought the working class would vote for them whatever, so Labour was unconcerned with them. It had the money to splash around, so it bought them off with tax credits and shiny new hospitals that it had no current means to pay for.

    • Tim Reed

      They also banked on there being no alternative for their core voters to turn to. Labour knew they’d never vote Tory, and there would be little point in them voting LibDem if their major concern was immigration.

      The zero alternative gambit is no longer the case, thus Miliband is forced to take to the airwaves to triangulate awkwardly about ‘migration’, as he insists on calling it.

      This is all just yet more sleight of hand from Labour, who can never be trusted on the issue of immigration.

      • Tony_E

        The problem is that revolutionaries cannot be trusted on anything, because no price is too high for the final objective.

        Labour, which was once a movement steeped in the Methodist church, quickly morphed into a Marxist movement based on the idea of class struggle leading to revolution. While some of its wilder elements have been publicly tamed, the revolutionary spirit is alive and well in the backrooms.

        This is why the Labour party will always sacrifice one voter for another, why it tries to find many minority interests rather than one wider one, because it speeds the dissolution of the ‘old order’. Anything which is steeped in the traditions of the ‘old English’ is the enemy, because it slows the arrival of the ‘tipping point’ where collectivism becomes the majority view, the state view, and its opponents are silenced permanently by the oppression of the majority.

        • Tim Reed

          “why it tries to find many minority interests rather than one wider one…”

          True – they talk to each different interest group, which they disingenuously refer to as ‘communities’, in entirely different language…whilst all the time claiming to be the ‘One Nation’ party. Horrid, dishonest people.

  • HookesLaw

    This is why Labour’s immigration non policy was such a disgrace. They parked the undeclass in benefits and consigned education to the dustbin and relied on immigration to supply motivated workers and keep inflation low.
    This is the real question we have to ask ourselves … why when there are 2 million unemployed and record numbers of jobs available – why can we not supply our own bus drivers?
    Its no use ranting at foreigners. Why has our own society gone off the rails? 13 years of socialism – and inept socialism at that – has been the cause. At the heart of that was not so much Blair – but Brown. He has been a total disaster for our country.

    Why would anyone want to pursue a policy to put Brown’s lacky back into power?

    • Colonel Mustard

      No-one is ranting at foreigners Hooky. We are ranting at the British politicians responsible for flooding this country with foreigners because the consequences can be seen. The sort of misrepresentation you make is a great wheeze for the politicians because it diverts the finger from pointing at them to pointing at us. If we object to what THEY have done, without our consent, we are racist?

      • HookesLaw

        Labour politicians. Conservatives want to reduce immigration and argued for it all through the Labour years. Damian Green got himself arrested as a result.
        And they are now pursuing policies to do that.

        • Colonel Mustard

          They’ve had three years to reduce immigration and could have done so if they had wanted to. They could also have initiated a public enquiry into New Labour’s immigration “policy” and its consequences. That would have hurt Labour really badly. Instead they let Labour rake over their own shadowy past and were on the back foot, defensive again.

          • Shazza

            Good point but I think that the Conservatives were so frightened by that ‘nasty party’ tag and accusations of being ‘racist’ that they failed to take action.

            Now they are chasing the emerging majority vote.

        • john king

          So… Why haven’t the Tories done it? Why are we in the EU with LibLabCon cheerleaders for our repression?

          • Cornelius Bonkers

            Our LibLabCon leaders didn’t do it because they have no idea what goes on in the world of concrete reality. All they know is abstract theorising and building a “career” on it. Get used to it, Farage will go the same way..just wait and see

    • Shazza

      I have said this before. Labour’s disastrous fiscal policies, scorched earth policies for the Conservatives, can be remedied. Time and effort can and will sort out the financial mess they left behind them.

      The real tragedy is social. This can never, ever be remedied.

      Their treasonous legacy is that they ensured, through their deliberate immigration policies, that the UK will be an islamic state in the not too distant future.

      They have actively contributed to the demise of Western, secular democracy.

      • HookesLaw

        You are right about the social tragedy. I am not sure that it can be solved in the short term. Arguably we should be tougher on welfare but it is a dangerous tightrope to walk. We must hope that the education revolution with free schools works.

      • Colonel Mustard

        They should have been gathered together in a dock to answer for that, like the Nazis at Nuremberg, brought low and required to defend their miserable plot under the scrutiny of prosecution.

        • Andy

          Long as they get to meet Pierrepoint at the end of said trial all well and good.

      • Andy

        You are quite right: the real tragedy is social. Labour didn’t care a flying f*ck about those people trapped on Welfare and condemned to a life of idleness and uselessness. They still don’t care. It has taken Iain Duncan-Smith to start and actually do something, opposed at every single verse end by the scumbag Labour Party and the whole of the left. They enjoy having this underclass living on welfare – it suits them to keep them in squalor and poverty.

        • Shazza

          For the Left, it is always about control – disguised as ‘progressive’, ‘caring’ but always totalitarian, always fascist.

          Left wing democracy/oxymoron.

  • Cornelius Bonkers

    Third possibility: socialism’s facts are so driven by their internationalist values that they COULDN’T hear their own class base. How can an immigrant like Milipede possibly “hear” the concrete reality of this stuff even from the old white working class which is the group which has been comprehensively turned over by immigration. And by the way, the Daily Mail was right about his father’s hatred for our nation – he hated ALL nations; just read his books…

  • Blindsideflanker

    Miliband realised it, any fool cannot have missed the impact mass immigration was having , its just that Labour didn’t publicly admit it, and the reason for that was they weren’t being asked the difficult embarrassing questions by the likes of the BBC, and for that matter still aren’t, for a question you won’t hear pass a BBC presenters lips is …..Mr Miliband if you are so concerned about the housing crisis why do you persist with a immigration policy that is increasing our population? It is just that the issues are now being debated by the public because of UKIP and he finds he cannot avoid it.

    • Shazza

      Very true.
      The UK doesn’t have a housing crisis – it has a population crisis.

      • Lucy Sky Diamonds

        More specifically – England does

        • Shazza

          Again true.

          • Lucy Sky Diamonds

            Also, maybe Scotland could give up its council houses to move those Londoners being propped up by the taxpayer to more affordable areas?

            • Shazza

              Sounds good!

        • john king

          Don’t be so sure. Wales has changed beyond recognition in the past 5 years. (What with our wonderful rulers in the assembly declaring that Labour will make Wales the asylum centre of Europe).

      • Raw England

        “Very true.
        The UK doesn’t have a housing crisis – it has an immigrant horde crisis” – Shazza.

        I fixed it for you, Shaz.

        • Shazza

          Ta x

        • Slavic Girl

          Tool!

  • saffrin

    “Labour couldn’t work out the impact of an influx of nearly four million people in a decade, Most Of Them From Outside The EU.”

    Says it all. It wasn’t the EU forcing them on us it was ‘Labour’ specifically.

  • Holly

    They probably never gave the implications/results of their, ‘rubbing the rights noses in diversity’, a second thought.

    • Conway

      Well, it certainly wouldn’t have any negative impact on their lifestyles, would it?

  • Hexhamgeezer

    At least Miniband is honest – he can’t do anything to directly restrict. He will train the locals better to deter immigration but will do nothing to proactively stop it.

    • john king

      “Miniband is honest”.

      i’ve heard it all now.

      • Andy

        Miliband honest ? I should sooner call his Mother a wit.

  • Mike Barnes

    If he realises how bad it was why is he still committed to the demented EU and mass migration?

    “Yes it was a mistake but we’re not going to do anything to change it, erm, vote Labour!”

  • Andy

    He is a LIAR. The Labour Government knew exactly what they were doing. It was to ‘rub the noses of the right i diversity’ and to publish the white working class who had dared to vote for Lady Thatcher.

    • http://owsblog.blogspot.com Span Ows

      hopefully you’ll edit so that says ‘punish’!

      • Andy

        Done. Ta.

  • vi_sa

    Most of them from outside the EU? Really? The problem was not skilled workers from outside the EU but unskilled labour from inside the EU. And Gordon Brown was happy to let the local unskilled work force stay on benefits and to drive blue collar workers out of jobs – plumbers, etc. because of cheap labour from WITHIN the EU.

  • George_Arseborne

    When it comes to immigration, the Tories and UKIP are pure racist. Ed Milliband is just human and his stance is very moderate.

    • Shazza

      You remind me of the little boy who kept crying ‘wolf’.

      Your hysterical screams are falling on deaf ears. What you think is ‘racist’ is actually ‘realist’ and you have accused the people of this ‘racist’ charge too often.

      They are not listening any more – and they no longer will be silenced.

      • Inverted Meniscus

        I’m sure he researched every single one of the 15 million or so people he has just branded as racist to ensure that it was not regarded as a wild statement by a socialist nutter. Not.

    • Holly

      I repeat….
      The ONLY people screaming/banging on about racists/race are Labour and the left.
      Get this…controlling imigration whether on the numbers, or the entry level is not, and NEVER has been racist.
      The UK did it for decades, right up until, LABOUR changed the rules…oh sorry abandoned common sense.

      GIVE IT A REST!!

    • Lucy Sky Diamonds

      Human?

      • Shazza

        Plasticine?

    • Inverted Meniscus

      You have just accused around 15 million people of being racists. How did you collect and collate accurate information on every single one of them to justify that statement? Or. Are you just an ignorant socialist moron who likes making fatuous statements.

    • john king

      You silly, silly person.

      • john king

        That was me being VERY restrained. I’m going to kick my cat now.

    • Andy

      Ed Miliband is a moron and a liar. Just like you.

  • Tron

    This was the train wreck interview NOT Farage on LBC.

    • Tim Reed

      True – but you’ve deviated from the script here.

  • Fergus Pickering

    In spite of pink Martha bowling at him underarm with a tennis ball Milipede made a total balls-up. He is useless. Goody.

  • The Laughing Cavalier

    A nation’s immigration policy driven by the demand for cheap domestic servants by socialist plutocrats. Sounds very odd. Sounds right too.

    • Shazza

      Rubbish. The Labour Party did this deliberately – it was pure race replacement policy. Remember –
      Rub the Right’s noses in diversity
      Mandelson saying they actively went looking and canvassing for immigrants

      This is coming back to bite them big time. Just wait until the cultural enrichment enhances their quality of life as it has done for ordinary working class communities – they are not going to be immune. Who are they going to blame then? Maggie?

      • Lucy Sky Diamonds

        It was both.

      • HookesLaw

        Labour parked their own people on benefits. They could not have cared less about them. Treated them as vote fodder to be dependent on the state. Nothing to do with ‘plutocrats’.

        As far as the EU is concerned people can move for work not benefits. The principle is a sane one many Brits going abroad benefit. Its not rocket science to ensure the policy is run properly.
        And the govt are tightening up benefit rules and the EU itself is moving that way
        http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/27/david-cameron-welcomes-german-proposals-eu-migrant-rules
        ‘David Cameron welcomes German proposals on EU migration rules

        German government reportedly plans to remove residency rights from EU immigrants if they fail to find work after three months’
        ‘Cameron told BBC Radio Derby on Thursday: “We are doing what the Germans
        are doing, which is [to] introduce new rules that you cannot
        immediately claim benefits if you come here, and if you are an EU
        citizen and not looking for work and claiming benefits then you can be
        removed to your country of origin. We’ll look very closely if the
        Germans want to take this further … [It is] absolutely right to say that
        we should work with the Germans and others to tighten up the rules so
        that there is free movement to come here and get a job but not free
        movement to come and claim benefits.’

        • Andy

          Lets abolish any ability to claim any State Benefit from those who are not citizens of that State. And lets introduce Work Permits. So free movement if you have an Employment Contract.

      • Tim Reed

        “Who are they going to blame then? Maggie?”

        They’ll find a way, don’t you worry. It’s never their fault.

  • Lucy Sky Diamonds

    What a d*ckhead. I mean really. Sorry for the bad language but is there really any other word to describe him?

    • HookesLaw

      yes but there are probably not enough asterisks

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …works for your mate Dave too, doesn’t it?

  • Colonel Mustard

    Hmm, let me see. Which two words are redundant in the title of this blog?

    No, Labour thought immigration was a political weapon to wield against the hated Tories (real or imagined). They assumed that their members and supporters would approve of them inviting half the world to cram onto this island with nothing in the way of scrutiny so that they could rub the right’s nose in diversity. Their chickens are coming home to roost, but not all of them yet and not in ways that we have yet to look forward to.

    It’s surprising that the author finds it necessary to speculate as to their motivation. That was made crystal clear by Andrew Neather and has been confirmed by other top Labour figures since. Any doubt should have been resolved by putting those responsible in the dock. But they appear to have got away with it . . . again.

    • Shazza

      Correct Colonel. For the first time in the history of these islands, the locals were not allowed to defend or protect themselves from a hostile invasion.

      • telemachus

        I challenge the word hostile

        • john king

          Bl**dy fool.

        • Colonel Mustard

          The hostility was shown by New Labour who believed the conservative English needed to have their noses rubbed in diversity. The people whose future they were supposedly responsible to protect. What they did was no benevolent act but probably one of the most despicable, cynical acts of vandalism against a nation state by its own government that might be imagined.

          • telemachus

            Tony Blair for all his revisionism saw our future as a world centre of multicultural multiethnic multifaith talent mix
            He saw what made the US great
            We are seeing the UK approach greatness again
            *
            You should get down on your knees in thanks

            • Colonel Mustard

              Offensive tripe. It wasn’t up to Blair to decide our future. No politician should.

              • telemachus

                We value leadership
                We want no more vapid leaders like Cameron
                Blair did more to drive us back to greatness than any adherents of Keith Joseph

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  What a hypocrite. Most of your comments about Blair have been derogatory and all of a sudden he is a hero. Such are the ways of a socialist nutter.

                • telemachus

                  Blair was a charismatic genius
                  Within the movement he was a revisionist ang had no future
                  However he rescued the country from 18 years of misery

                • ButcombeMan

                  Not Iraq though.

                  It is becoming widely accepted that the real problem for Chilcot is that if everything is published, Den Haag beckons for Blair.

                  Just think about that. This reckless warmonger you are defending.

                • telemachus

                  I despair of those who enthusiastically supported the toppling of a monster
                  And then when the going gets tough turn their back on the magnificent architect

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Blair’s regime was a disaster for the nation. A cultural revolution imposed without consent which has left the English particularly with a terrible legacy. New Labour was a horrible, authoritarian regime that politicised our once impartial institutions and our society and pushed its regulation fingers into every aspect of our private lives in a way not seen since 1930’s Germany. It was a disgusting regime, a stealer of freedoms and a manipulator of language, a purveyor of bad law and too much of it. Blair was nothing more than a snake oil salesman who took the country in (not me I’m glad to say, I never voted for the ….) and then allowed his sidekick the odious communist Brown to wreck it.

                  I trust there is a special spot in H*** reserved for that whole gang.

                • telemachus

                  So you now see youself sitting for Judgement Day
                  Remember 2005
                  The world looked to Blair for leadership
                  And got it
                  The UK never rode so high
                  As to the economic powerhouse of his regime you doctrinaire folks will never accept the dynamic economy he generated giving us the prosperity to drag the countries services into the 21st century
                  And even saved the West from the recession triggered by the US

                • Colonel Mustard

                  So now nothing of the sort, Blair will be judged, hopefully, but not by me.

                  “The UK never rode so high”

                  Tripe. You should have experienced the Pax Britannica I experienced. Your lot ruined that.

                  “As to the economic powerhouse of his regime you doctrinaire folks will never accept the dynamic economy he generated giving us the prosperity to drag the countries services into the 21st century”

                  More tripe. You are about as doctrinaire as it gets, parroting the most ridiculous slogans like some 1950s commie thinking that because you think it and say it then it must be true. You have a “Dear Leader” mentality too, like all your crew, whereas most of them are crooks and shysters.

                • telemachus

                  We accept what you conclude in respect of Magaret Moran
                  Only

                • John Smith

                  What about the other ones that went to gaol

                • Damon

                  “… you doctrinaire folks will never accept the dynamic economy he generated …”
                  No, my dear Telemachus. The dynamic economy he INHERITED. Quite a different kettle of fish.

                • Gary Smith

                  Tele thing
                  I suggest you look the word vapid up if you have a half decent dictionary. vapid see Tony Blair if not Gordon Brown

              • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                Isn’t Telemarxist great, he does so much good for UKIP and the like. If I could bottle him up and decant him across the MSM blogs I’d ensure Farage was PM by next Monday.

            • Ricky Strong

              I think there are some people living in reservations in America that may want to challenge that point. Indeed the US is now multicultural but it was hardly an organic conversion.

              • telemachus

                There will always be casualties
                The US became great because of the drive of diverse people from afar

                • Ricky Strong

                  I guess that depends on who you ask, one side would argue it was perfect the way it was. Some people cared more about their place alongside nature and the balance that existed in their own lives.

                  If we go down your line of thinking why not wipe out existing tribes and force multiculturalism on them?

                • Colonel Mustard

                  That’s arguable.

                • telemachus

                  No
                  The diverse peoples that came together allowed a synthesis of talent that produced the most powerful nation the world has known
                  And the most prosperous
                  We will know that

                • Colonel Mustard

                  That’s just your highly partisan view. The idea that Britain should emulate America is no doubt beloved of simple minded socialists like you but Britain has neither the size nor resources that America offered its immigrant population.

                  You are a dangerously deluded idiot of the type who brought about the current immigration crisis here. And who the H*** are you to decide what is good for the country.

                • telemachus

                  The point of politics is to do the best for one’s country
                  Only Socialism can do that

                • Colonel Mustard

                  So you advocate a single party state like all communists before you.

                • Thoughtful Ulsterman

                  I’d argue the same was the case for South America. How did that turn out?

                • Lady Magdalene

                  Labour decided that the casualties would be the white working classes, who had supported them for generations.
                  Betrayal of the first order.

            • sfin

              Unfortunately Tony Blair and his mafia didn’t actually sell that particular manifesto to the British people…

              …he lied, lied and lied again. Margaret Thatcher is still despised by the student’s union element of our national, political discourse. But I know of no politician, in our history, who is as universally despised as Anthony Charles Lynton Blair.

              The establishment are still waiting to confer the traditional honours accorded to an ex prime minister – they cannot yet do so because of the subsequent public outcry, and the fact that this odious cretin cannot guarantee his own safety in the country he “led”.

              You make the, very occasional, telling point Telemachus, but you also indulge in fascistic propaganda, for which you are, rightly, reviled on this forum.

              • telemachus

                I regret you have to remind me of the lack of qualities of appreciation among posters gathered here
                You may decry Blair
                We may decry his revisionism
                But for 10 years the vast majority of the British people saw only sunshine in his works

            • Gary Smith

              Cheap 1984 parody

            • atticus1900

              Are you aware of historical US immigration policy? Do you really think they accepted one and all?

              They didn’t.

              Many people were turned back from Staten Island. US authorities were strict in their enforcement of immigration. They split families on the basis of physical health and age, considering if newcomers would they be a drain on the new country, or add to it.

              That is what made the US great, along with its constitution being based on the English Bill of Rights and its law on English Common Law.

            • Damon

              “We are seeing the UK approach greatness again.”
              Indeed. Thank you for your ringing endorsement of our government.

            • uberwest

              Don’t you socialist mong types generally despise and ridicule the US?

        • Andy

          You would, you fascist. It was a hostile act. Hostile toward the white working class. A typical action of scum like Miliband and you.

          • telemachus

            Andy
            This is a high level debate
            Do not debase it

            • Colonel Mustard

              It is somewhat true that your head is in the clouds and your feet on another planet.

              • Darnell Jackson

                Why do you engage with it?

            • Andy

              The only person who debases debate around here is you.

            • Inverted Meniscus

              You debase every thread you enter with your dissembling and trolling on behalf of Fascist Labour.

        • Shazza

          Those fluffy moslems are just sooooo friendly!

          We are all going to live happily ever after!

          • telemachus

            Let us look at things differently
            There is hostility between Islam and Christianity throughout the world
            We have a unique opportunity to show the world how we can live in harmony and peace as we educate our children side by side with Muslim children

            • Fergus Pickering

              Do you have any children? Do you have a wife/ What do you do all day?

        • evad666

          Why so far we are seeing an upsurge in the consequences of the invasion with individuals who have been radicalized operating across the globe.

    • telemachus

      Trotting out Neather again and again is a vicious slur
      Did you actually listen to the sage words of Ed on The World at One
      First he did admit that there had been some mistakes, yes mistakes not deliberate vote rigging policy
      Second he set out a reasonable way forward, answering the concerns of the public without resorting to the aggravated actions of UKIP
      He has set out a morally credible set of rules for recruitment agencies, credible plans to ensure the teaching of English and credible plans for delaying welfare to migrants
      Like all right feeling people he said that diversity is good for Britain, thus building on the historical synthesis of immigrants with the indiginous
      I note the splendid programme on television last night on the Hanoverians showed how the second German King and his team turned our nation into a world superpower

      • Colonel Mustard

        It’s not a slur, vicious or otherwise, it is history. It happened. It was no “mistake” either. Neather explained it and the media let Labour get away with it. It was an act of destructive vandalism by a malevolent set of fools with no care for the long term consequences.

        Ed can blather all he likes but he is one of those in New Labour who subjected the English people to that vandalism and who blatantly breached affirming statements in the UN declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples for their own party political gain.

        • telemachus

          From AD 43 we have enjoyed the cross fertilisation of ideas and blood from elsewhere
          We took a proud Celtish nation and added people from the far flung reaches of the Roman Empire followed by peoples from Northern Europe and Scandinavia in different combinations and different waves
          And created a mongrel nation that went on to rule one third of the planet
          After calling in our empire dues and working with the proud people of Russia we saw off domination by fascist ideology
          Then went into decline
          *
          We were then reinvigorated after infusion of new blood and ideas from Asia and Africa often via third countries
          We thus regained our dynamism
          The current waves are part and parcel of that reinvigoration

          • Ricky Strong

            No, we absorbed other cultures and people gradually over many, many years. What your government did was wholly unnatural and a deliberate act of vandalism. They admitted their mistakes, why can’t you?

            • telemachus

              I do not accept that we do not have the wit to integrate all incomers
              I do accept that carting round racist billboards may delay the process

          • Colonel Mustard

            Your attempt to justify what was done on those historical grounds is risible (as well as tediously repetitive and mildly offensive) and bears no comparison to New Labour’s modern plot and its long term likely consequences.

            • telemachus

              In just a few years you will give thanks for the foresight of New Labour in rejuvenating our declining nation

              • Inverted Meniscus

                Like bequeathing a £168 Billion structural deficit and a 7.4% contraction of the economy. Oh and destroying the education system and being responsible for 1,200 unnecessary deaths at Mid Staffs.

                • telemachus

                  The deficit was necessary to get us through the recession triggered by the US

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  It had reached £72 billion by 2006 and predates the crash you idiot. The Brown recession started here. You are economically illiterate.

              • Colonel Mustard

                Right now you will not presume to determine what I will and won’t give thanks for. The idea that our nation needs rejuvenating is offensive. The only thing it needs is a cleansing of the filthy socialist ideas like yours with which it has had to suffer for far too long and which are mainly responsible for any decline.

                • telemachus

                  I give thanks every day for my fortune to be British
                  I shudder when I think that little englanders will get their hands on the levers

                • Colonel Mustard

                  I shudder because little socialists with pea brains HAVE got their hands on the levers!

              • the viceroy’s gin

                In just a few years some of you socialist nutters may be swinging from the gallows, if your LibLabCon “rejuvenating” continues to go the way it is now.

                • telemachus

                  You forget that come next May the Gulag will rid us of folks like you

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  I see. Where will you be sending your kulaks, comrade?

              • atticus1900

                You are a terrifying individual Telemachus and proof of the ongoing brain-death of our nation.

          • Martin Jennerson

            silly rubbish

      • tjamesjones

        @telemachuss:disqus the Georgian era was a time of great life and growth in this country, but that was despite, not because of, the Hanoverians. They gave their name to the period, and there’s the odd revisionist who will claim a bit more for their contribution, but Britain was long past the time when the monarch was the key player – it was civil society operating with relative freedom (a result of the 17th Century reforms), that drove the intellectual and eventually industrial revolutions.

        • telemachus

          You are oh so wrong
          The greatest period in our history the later part of the nineteenth century was catalysed and given purpose by the greatest of the Hanoverian Monarchs

          • Colonel Mustard

            You haven’t got a clue. You watch some TV programme and think that makes you an expert on the Georgian era.

            • telemachus

              Goodness
              I am sorry
              I had understood that the Victorian era to which I was referring came after the Georgian era
              I had also understood that Queen Victoria(married to a Great German) was also a Hanoverian
              But I am a poor humble Socialist and bow to your greater intelligence

              • Colonel Mustard

                Apology accepted. Don’t do it again.

                • Andy

                  Don’t accept. He is lying as per usual.

    • Tim Reed

      All true, Colonel.

      Also – here’s John Reid, admitting that Labour’s policy of mass immigration was designed deliberately to reduce people’s wages – or ‘bring down the cost of labour’, as he puts it…

      The source of Ed Miliband’s ‘cost of living crisis’ was his own party…

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EFp3S_5ZkOI

    • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

      Miliband is a joke, it would be funny if he wasn’t almost certain to be
      our next PM. He purports to represent the medium to lowest earners, but
      does he not realise immigration hurts these people the most?

      How?

      1. Competition in job market, preventing them from getting jobs.
      2. Mass demand for state-subsidised housing.
      3. Mass labour-force driving down wages.

  • Ricky Strong

    They knew damn well what they were doing – rubbing the Right’s nose in diversity I seem to recall.

    Well now they have to wade through the mountain of diverse excrement left behind from their little project.

  • Denis_Cooper

    They knew what they were doing and why they were doing it, and it’s only necessary to put the name “Neather” into google to find out:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

    As for the impact of mass immigration on the established population, the existing body of citizens in this supposed democracy, they didn’t care about that even when those being worst affected were their own supporters.

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