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Abu Hamza embodies Britain’s self-destructive madness

20 May 2014

7:57 PM

20 May 2014

7:57 PM

A jury in the US has taken less than two days to find Abu Hamza guilty on multiple terrorism charges. He can now expect to spend the rest of his life in prison.

During the 1990s and later, Abu Hamza was one of a number of extremist clerics given apparent free-reign to operate in the UK. The effects of that teaching are still being felt. One of the killers of Lee Rigby asked in court to be called ‘Mujaahid Abu Hamza’.

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But even if we can now ignore the man himself, the Abu Hamza story deserves to be remembered because of what it tells us about our society. If anyone is still in any doubt about our recent madness, I would urge them to watch this 5-minute clip from a Channel 4 Dispatches documentary aired in 1999. It shows, among other things, some video recordings from an Islamic Revival Movements Conference at the Quaker movement’s Friends House, London, in 1999. Speakers included Omar Bakri and Abu Hamza. If you go to about 1 minute 30 seconds you can see Abu Hamza standing in front of this room full of Muslim men teaching them ideas for how to bring down an aircraft.

The ‘Muslim Antiaircraft net’ in which a bomb-laden net will be let loose into the skies is Abu Hamza’s idea, shown to the audience in a power-point presentation via an overhead projector. But at the end of his speech Hamza urges his audience that this is just one idea he has come up with. He then urges his audience that they should ‘Invent your own ideas and never give up.’

In 1999 this was shown on British television and nothing happened. After 9/11 such things became slightly less amusing. Perhaps another decade from now we will look back at certain of our current lunacies and consider them with as much incredulity.

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  • Grey Wolf

    Through the cold war years, theocratic, Wahabi, medieval Muslim countries were considered allies of the free world. They were used against the Soviet Union by the West. It seems this is the blow-back from all of that. It is strange indeed that the West won the cold war against the communist ideology and then itself got consumed by Cultural Marxism. Very strange indeed!

    • achtung14a

      Blowback how? Blowback implies “revenge.” But we helped them as we had a common enemy. An enemy against whom they were losing. We give them weapons, training and other materiel in order to help them win. They win. We’re elated! After the soviet pullout we say: “Nice doing business with you. We don’t want to “tell” you how to live so…good luck with your civil war in the power vacuum. May the best warlord win. Allahu…ah, whatever. We’re out. Tah!”

      It was a marriage of convenience and a mutually beneficial relationship from the West’s perspective. Then, they cocked it up. How is the current state of war between the Muj and us not ENTIRELY their fault?

  • alexander

    an audience of socially repressed losers listening to a fat backward throwback

  • Paddy Nolan

    Does this mean we get our money back from him ?

  • BoiledCabbage

    In Britain, as in France, the demographic is utterly against any attempt to restore order. Which the hate preachers still working in the UK know full well, as they groom the gullible for future action. Trouble ahead I fear

    • justejudexultionis

      Yes, Rivers of Blood, to be precise.

      SOLI DEO GLORIA

      • http://www.DNotice.org/ Dean Jackson

        Is there a gym at Thames House?

      • randy63ism

        Enoch Powell was right.

    • http://www.DNotice.org/ Dean Jackson

      What’s the starting salary for MI5 officers?

  • http://www.DNotice.org/ Dean Jackson

    “During the 1990s and later, Abu Hamza was one of a number of extremist clerics given apparent free-reign to operate in the UK. The effects of that teaching are still being felt. One of the killers of Lee Rigby asked in court to be called ‘Mujaahid Abu Hamza’.”

    Oh, so it was Abu Hamza who spilled the pools of blood on the sidewalk AFTER the armed police [belatedly] arrived at the Woolwich, London “crime” scene? When is the Spectator going to cease embarrassing itself by posting Communist psy-op articles?

    Ladies and gentlemen, Abu Hamza is a well known MI5 asset, used to justify Moscow & Allies’ tasked “War on Terror”, a phony diversionary war that’s meant to conceal the real threat that still looms over the West–the USSR and China. The “War on Terror” is also being waged to (1) destroy the prominence of the West; and (2) destroy the United States Armed Forces via a never-ending war.

    • andy_gill

      I take it you are a Guardian reader?

      • http://www.DNotice.org/ Dean Jackson

        “I take it you are a Guardian reader?”

        Would you like a few gallons of pig’s blood with that false flag, Sir?

  • http://www.DNotice.org/ Dean Jackson

    The article reads, “During the 1990s and later, Abu Hamza was one of a number of extremist clerics given apparent free-reign to operate in the UK. The effects of that teaching are still being felt. One of the killers of Lee Rigby asked in court to be called ‘Mujaahid Abu Hamza’.”

    Oh, so it was Abu Hamza who spilled the pools of blood on the sidewalk AFTER the armed police [belatedly] arrived at the Woolwich, London “crime” scene? When is the Spectator going to cease embarrassing itself by posting Communist psy-op articles?

  • Agrippina

    The problem is that politicians and those in positions of authority do not really understand mossies. They think that if they are ‘nice’ to them and keep giving way on issues, they will fit in and integrate (no chance).

    So that eg. schools & ed auth, are considering whether they should alter the exam timetables as ramadan falls around the same time. If you go and live and work in the Middle East, you will find that children are excluded from fasting. That adults are expected to work the usual office hrs and carry out duties as normal. In Dubai, Qatar & Oman women in customer facing roles are not permitted to cover their faces.

    Women who go on pilgrimage to Saudi must not cover their face. Therefore, the fools are the ones who keep giving way over here, not the mossies who are simply trying it on.

  • Slavic Girl

    Blame eastern Europeans!

    • Pootles

      Nobody does. In fact, those of us with an ounce of historical understanding knows that we owe Poles, in particular, thanks for saving Europe twice – from being overrun by Islam, then by Bolshevism. Don’t confuse opposition to the anti-democratic, Empire-building EU state, with ‘anti-Europeanism’.

      • Slavic Girl

        🙂

      • randy63ism

        Sobieski and Pilsudski.
        “Veni Vidi Deus Vicit”

        • Pootles

          Top men!

    • Jonathan Sidaway

      Not at all. The problem is not race, but a certain sort of mediaeval cultural baggage. Whatever the unpleasantness of Roman Catholicism as I perceive it – and many Slavic people are anyway Protestant – it has a relation to secularism different from that of Islam. Christianity outside Africa has grown up.

      • Fergus Pickering

        Rather it has been beaten down. You have to take away religion’s secular power. Join the Church of England. Nice churches, nice people for the must part and no power. Oh, and very few beards. Beards are bad in this context. I mean long beards.

        • Jonathan Sidaway

          Yeah, we are a decent bunch in the CofE, by and large, and my own beard is treated with the respect that amusement brings. Similarly, it may be, my agnosticism. And actually you have a serious point when it comes to the pogonophiles’ orgy that is Russian Orthodoxy. A very dodgy denomination as regards unthinking nationalism, whatever one feels about Putin in his homeland and in his attitude to the stat quo in Syria – horrible in the former case, but in the latter, supportive of a nasty regime that nevertheless protects non-muslim minorities. I wonder what Assad’s other ally, Iran, thinks, if anything, of his relative liberalism? I don’t know what the beardless Hague thinks about any of this. Perhaps he knows something about these freedom fighters that isn’t apparent to the cynical onlooker.

          • Fergus Pickering

            I hope your beard is not long enough to suck. That is the acid test.

        • LucieCabrol

          Beards are very useful….in this context, if a purveyor of religious wisdom has one, he is offering you a useful appendage with which to relatively painlessly nail him to a beam, from which he will swing whilst you beat him with his book of truth.

          • Fergus Pickering

            An excellent thought, doubtless divinely inspired. The early Roman Emperors, all Gods, were clean-shaven.

            • Kitty MLB

              Well those modest Romans saw beards as barbarian and shaving was a sign of superiority over the rest of the
              world. In the good ole days, the Greeks were fond of them though. Even curled them with tongs ( don’t know why curling
              them died out. Socrates had lovely bearded curls) They saw beards
              as a badge of honour, virility and wisdom. But I suppose
              the Romans saw beards as so old hat, and one must move
              on with the times.

              • Fergus Pickering

                I’m not against beards per se. I have one of my own. As you say truly, Kitty, there are beards and beards.W.G. Grace had a fine English beard.

                • Kitty MLB

                  It would be very dull if everyone had a similar
                  beard.There is a very old reclusive fellow at
                  the bottom of the hill whose beard is so long
                  that children call him a wizard.Most people
                  suit there style of beard but alas he’s not
                  a wizard just was a humble artist.
                  W G Grace had the most extraordinary specimen
                  and he clearly had it shaped and indeed a very
                  English beard. And I shall assume that Fergus
                  also has a very English specimen and not
                  too long.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  my beard is all a beard should be.

                • Kitty MLB

                  You sound very proud of it. The beard of all beards.And it must save you a fortune in
                  shaving foam.And I am sure you have no birds
                  in your beard.Think I read that somewhere
                  unless I am just bonkers.
                  And although I would hate to speak ill
                  of any gentleman’s beard, one must
                  be aware that when they reach a great age,
                  at some point in the future that the beard
                  must go for obvious reasons.

    • randy63ism

      Not me.

  • Keith D

    Any society that tolerates Islam is on the road to suicide.

    • James Lovelace

      You only need to read muslims’ own most authoritative biography of Mohammed to see this.

      Pagan Mecca was multicultural. For 13 years they permitted Mohammed to preach his blasphemous new religion. When they finally had enough of him, he moved to Jewish Medina, another multicultural town. There Mohammed turned to robbery, murder, slave-taking. After 10 years, his 150 followers from 13 years in Mecca had swollen to 10,000 mercenaries.

      Judaism and paganism were abolished. Arabia has now been a totalitarian fascist state for over 1300 years. Multiculturalism is the petri dish in which islamic fascism thrives.

      • Augustus

        And yet we still hear how Islamic fundamentalists who murder and torture aren’t true Muslims, because true Muslims are peace-loving. Even though the Islamic killers themselves shout the loudest that to torture and murder the kafir is to serve Islam’s mission. They cite the Koran to justify their deeds, and cry Allahu Akbar! at the slightest perceived insult to their prophet. And the so-called peace-loving Muslims never come up with any plan to erase these murderous texts. They never come up with a plan to prohibit the calls for jihad in the mosques. Can anyone imagine Muslims of any description turning up for an anti-jihad demonstration? Yet the PC brigade keeps saying that the killings and bloodshed has nothing to do with true Islam. Whereas, In reality, the so-called moderate Muslims are the murderers and executioners lifeblood. Only when they start rejecting their imams sermons will the days of Islamic terrorists begin to be numbered.

        • Keith D

          Only when Islam itself is confined to history’s dustbin, will an end be seen to terrorism.

      • Terence Sommer

        Mohammed, the most troublesome man who ever lived.

  • Augustus

    Islam is the root of the evil that drilled its way into those twin towers.

    • http://www.DNotice.org/ Dean Jackson

      Are MI5 officers required to wear sidearms? Even off duty?

  • Michael H Kenyon

    Our British sense of ironic detachment tends to think that cranks and extremists are doing it as a bit of a pose or joke, and so most extremists are really a bit of a vulgar lark. It comes as a bit of a shock to the protected ‘elite’ who guide the governmental process discover that these folk are as serious as cancer.

  • Mark McIntyre

    Indeed Dougie, but, you have to Hamz it to him !

  • http://twitter.com/WinstonCDN WinstonCDN

    UK is doomed. Thanks Tony Blair

  • artemis in france

    I hope you’re right, Douglas. If not, we non-Muslims are all for the chop – perhaps literally. Thankfully, hère in France, where the threat would seem to be less apparent, even though the demographic is more troubling, the authorities seem more aware of possible dangers from those living among them and remain vigilant on our behalf. Despite their apparent left-leanings, most French people are very unsympathetic towards the veiled women around them. They’re just too different and nobody is afraid to say so. Also, secularism rules hère – any kind of overt religiosity is unwelcome.

    • Terence Sommer

      You should at least honor your Christian heritage, with out it, you would not have France.

  • Picquet

    New Labour. Blair, Mandelson and Campbell. “Race”. Multiculturalism. The great conspiracy to reduce Great Britain to a vehicle for ambitious people who used our democracy for their own enrichment.

    • randy63ism

      They’re using your democracy to create West Pakistan whether they realize it or not, and frankly, many of them do realize it and they just don’t care.
      Post-modern liberalism is a mental disorder of the highest degree.

  • saffrin

    In a word, Labour. In two, Labour’s madness. The same sort of madness that allowed white teenage girls to be raped systematically for years.
    Deaf, dumb, blind and stupid to their own racial hatred.
    Anything a foreigner does is all good to them.

    • emale

      And let’s not forget the role of the BBC in providing cover for the enemies of our country.

    • James Lovelace

      In 2005, just after the 7/7 bombing, Labour set about rewarding muslim terrorists, by attempting to make all criticism of islam illegal.

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4376314.stm

    • Mike

      Not quite, three words conflated, LibLabCon as although Labour brought the cancer of political correctness to Britain, the LibCon artists have had ample time to roll back the madness but have just made it worse.

    • Fergus Pickering

      No. Not all foreigners. A white Australian would not get away with it. A white Germanwould not get away with it. You have to be black or brown. And in particular you hve to be muslim. THEN you get away with it.

  • General_Patten

    Well done USA. Amazing what happens when the European Court of Terrorist Rights isnt in play!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • General_Patten

    Because they voted Labour so thats ok then.

  • jimwashburn

    free rein

  • global city

    Perhaps by then people will have pieced together the various evil tactics that the ‘progressives’ have used to try to destroy us all?

    Identifying and demolishing the crazy ideologies that inform so much of ‘mainstream’ policy in this country and across Europe has to be the top priority…. or it is all going to suceed

  • LucieCabrol

    Fair play to the yanks, we got a few more like him around here, can we ship them over too?

    • randy63ism

      Only if we can exchange them for the British East Africa-born (Kenyan) British subject currently squatting in our White House. The one called Hussein. We’ll even throw in Piers Morgan as an added bonus, lol.

      • LucieCabrol

        easy tiger

        • randy63ism

          Can’t blame me for trying. Ok, send him (Morgan) to the bottom of the Atlantic, but then again, that wouldn’t be fair to the sharks now would it?
          Sigh. 🙁

  • AndrewMelville

    What horrible scruff Hooky and his friends were. He should have been tossed out of the country right away.

  • UniteAgainstSocialism

    “in 1999 this was shown on British television and nothing happened.”

    Thats because we were told we were racist and Islamophobes when we spoke out.

    And today when we speak out, we’re still labelled racists and Islamophobes, but things have got worse since 1999, we now end up in court and prosecuted for speaking out.

    • saffrin

      And then along came UKIP, with offers of common sense.

      • Terence Sommer

        Liberty GB is a better choice perhaps.

      • Kitty MLB

        Have you seen their manifesto then ? words are cheap. Only
        responsibility can offer changes.

        • saffrin

          Cameron’s got nothing.
          Everybody, including him, knows he has no chance of reforming the EU and nobody, including him, believes he intends to hold an EU in/OUT referendum in 2017 or at any other time.

    • LindaRivera

      The teaching espoused in the above video come right out of the Quran! Our evil leaders have colonised Britain with millions of muslims whose Quran commands them to wage jihad against non-muslims, conquer our countries and enslave us under barbaric sharia!

      UKIP refuses to speak out about the greatest threat humanity has ever faced: Islam, Paul Weston’s counter-jihad political party is the only party with the courage to warn about Britain’s terrifying future if a drastic change doesn’t take place https://www.facebook.com/LibertyGBParty Join and vote for Liberty GB! There are 3 Liberty GB candidates running in the South East!

      Paul Weston: Preventing White Genocide
      http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/home/root/news-libertygb/6178-preventing-white-genocide

      • Terence Sommer

        You are SPOT ON. Go Liberty GB!

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