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Why Farage isn’t standing in Newark

30 April 2014

9:43 AM

30 April 2014

9:43 AM

I always thought that it was unlikely that Nigel Farage would stand in Newark. When I discussed the prospect of a by-election there with him on Monday, he seemed drawn to the idea of a local candidate; pointing out how the Canadian Reform Party had secured their key by-election breakthrough with ‘a completely unknown geography mistress, who lived in the town, who had lots of relations there’.

Farage’s decision not to stand is a recognition that the Tories are bound to pick a local candidate and that their campaign would paint him as someone who is interested in what Newark could do for him, not what he could do for Newark. One of the lessons that Farage took away from his unsuccessful campaign in Buckingham in 2010 is that you can’t turn up somewhere where you have no roots and no connections and immediately ask people to make you their MP.

There’s much chatter about Farage being ‘frit’ this morning. Frankly, if Ukip top the polls in the European Elections—as another poll has them on course to this morning—all this will be irrelevant. Ukip will have had its breakthrough moment and the Newark by-election will be fought on its terms. But if Ukip don’t come top in the Europeans, and with Farage not running in Newark, then there’ll be a sense that Ukip has missed its moment. The stakes for Ukip on May 22nd could not be higher. ​


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  • Christine Wyndham-Thomas

    It makes sense for Farage NOT to stand in the by-election. Remember the proverb – the dog with two bones!

  • pobinr

    EU = more & more centralised control & a desire to impose political union on the people of Europe without their consent.

    How the EU is dismantling democracy in Europe;

    Remote control by the EU
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtQt2IjeLVc

    EU new Soviet Union ?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92Vjc_PeYtc

    The unelected crooks & recycled Communists running the EU
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWSYMpuCFaQ

    We’re now run by Big Banks,Big Business &Big Bureaucrats
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=750uBYcabKI

    Nigel Farage of UKIP Confronts the EU Commissioners
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJHETdxwv8Y

  • Hereward

    It’s a shrewd and rational move. He will stand on his home patch in Kent at the GE.
    Everything coming out of the EU, including the vindicative decsion supporting the Tobin Tax by the awful ECJ is playing into Farage’s hands and so he is right to 100% focus on May22nd.
    The only people who seem ‘frit’ are the metro liberal establishment of the media,politicians, the legal profession and the civil service, who ar egetting more nad more unbalanced and hysterical in their response, such a Hodges in DT. It is Cameron running scared and avoiding debates and Milliband running leftwards.

  • JabbaTheCat

    “Why Farage isn’t standing in Newark”

    Because the dear leader would have to give up his place at the gold plated Euro trough, eof…

    • pobinr

      Youve picked on the one person that said they want it to end. The turkey prepared to vote for Xmas. The rest of them are career pigs

  • jamesbarn

    This nonsense about Farage being “Frit” is utter rubbish. Its Cameron and Milliband who are “Frit” that is why they refuse to include Farage in the political debate. Just now on the news they were saying how Farage is leading the polls with 38%, adding of corse that a third of the electorate think they are racist, but somehow forgetting to mention that two thirds of the electorate think they are NOT RACIST, Typical of the unbiased media

    • abystander

      Farage is a feartie.

      In this most recent wonderpoll his set of deadbeats and conmen get 6% of Scottish voting intentions for the Europarl elections.

      Is “middle England” stark raving mad? There must be lots of decent English people who see straight through this shyster.

  • albert hughes

    Being new here I am impressed by the wide circle of contacts the author must have. I read his weekly article in the Mail and he certainly knows many people. But I would be surprised if he has ever had a pint with Nigel.

  • itdoesntaddup

    Um…. the Tories had picked Jenrick ages ago. It’s for UKIP to settle on a candidate. With the largest and most detailed opinion poll this side of the General Election just coming up, it surely makes sense to wait for the results before deciding where to place the kingpins on the political chessboard. Any sensible party plays to strengths, and seeks to ensure its leadership has a safe ride so that it may concentrate on helping out elsewhere during a general election campaign.

    Farage standing in Newark is an unnecessary gamble for him and UKIP.

    Meanwhile, if you assume that the Lib Dem vote will collapse and split back to Labour and UKIP primarily, it becomes possible to envisage Labour getting at least within shouting distance in a seat they have contested closely and won in the past: they’re probably the value bet right now, although it is unlikely that the seat will be lost, given its margin in 2010. Mercer was on 54% of the vote, whilst Huhne in Eastleigh was on 46%. It’s a tougher hurdle for a challenger – especially coming from nowhere.

  • Chris Hobson

    Farage must concentrate on the EU Behemoth.

  • swatnan

    He would have been riding on the crest of a wave of Nigelmania, and would have walked Newark blindfolded and on one leg. But he’s bottled it. Maybe he doesn’t fancy going up North, of Watford

    • Denis_Cooper

      It’s OK, the Nigelmania is already being put to excellent use across the whole country. That’s what the Tories, and Labour, and the LibDems, don’t like, and that’s why they thought they’d try to localise it to Newark.

    • abystander

      Maybe he couldn’t employ his wife as his “assistant” at Westminster.

      • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

        What weight does that have?

        • abystander

          Oh.

          A lot with Farage I would think. And anyone else he employs who he knows well ;).

          That kind of thing more difficult at Westminster, I would think, in the current climate. Easier to play away from home.

          • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

            So I take it you aren’t a supporter of EU membership?

            • abystander

              I am.

              You think that because the current system in the EP allows chancers like Farage to pick up expenses while not attending meetings and to “employ” his wife, I should support withdrawal?

              • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                He is one of the highest attending MEPs. Do you make the same argument about Clegg not attending our parliament?

                By the sound of it you should be voting for UKIP all of the MEPs are at it,

                • abystander

                  Not on the Fisheries committee he wasn’t. He never attended. Picked up the expenses though.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  Evidence?

                • abystander

                  What’s wrong?

                  Don’t like the truth about middle England’s pin up boy?

                  Check EP site Fisheries committee attendance or Google it.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  I’m sure Farage wouldn’t miss something without good cause.

                  I will take your word that such an elusive document exists.

  • Denis_Cooper

    No wonder the Tory party and its friends in the mass media are panicking
    and trying every rotten trick they can think of in their increasingly desperate
    attempts to stop UKIP in the EU Parliament elections.

    According to this recent poll:

    http://www.tns-bmrb.co.uk/news/ukip-establish-a-clear-lead-for-the-european-elections

    the level of support for UKIP is now TWICE the level of support for the Tory
    party, and well ahead of the support for Labour as well:

    “Voting intentions poll shows LAB 27% (-3), UKIP 36% (+7), CON 18% (-3), LIB DEM 10% (+1), OTHER 9% (-2)”

    And now apparently there is another poll just out, ITV News/ComRes, with a very similar picture.

    • Penny

      As a strategy, a sustained negative campaign by the media has been a mistake – at least in my view. At first it may cause eyebrows to be raised against the party experiencing the negativity, but when it is overdone the voters tend to smell a rat. But there is one further problem when it comes to an EU election – intention translating into a vote.

      The report you link to mentions this very thing. It is the main problem all parties have at election time – hence the reason for asking for your polling number when you go to vote and the knock on the door by the party you said you’d vote for when canvassed. “Getting the vote out” action tends to happen far more at local elections, is evident in varying degrees at GE’s but not really at EU elections. Every party is probably in the same boat here in respect of voter turn out. It’s very much down to the individual’s motivation to vote. Perhaps UKIP have more going for them in this respect because their supporters have been so challenged in recent weeks as to increase their determination. And again, for ConLabLib, this has been one of the more obvious dangers of a negative media campaign.

      • Conway

        Whoever embarked on this concerted smear campaign has totally misunderstood the English (at least – I can’t speak for the other nations). We have a strong sense of fair play and a respect for the underdog. We don’t like bullies and we certainly won’t be told what to do. No wonder UKIP is in the ascendant!

        • Penny

          It’s been a huge puzzle to me, Conway. Even at local level, most political groups know that smear campaigns very often backfire. Why on earth is this – apparently – not known by outlets like, say, the DT? Dan Hodges has been immersed in politics all his life and his articles have been the worst of them all.

          Because I do find this all rather odd, I’ve given it a fair bit of thought. If I were running this campaign and wasn’t adverse to mud-slinging (which I very much am) I’d be inclined to do it at right at the end after having presented myself as the clean and sparkly group with great arguments. If you’re into dirt level plots then that would sew a seed of doubt and create a wobble in a previously cast iron Tory voter’s mind (or LabLib) right at the end of play and before there’s much time for the info to be corrected/explained/discussed and before voters begin to think UKIP is being treated unfairly. As it stands, I’m utterly bewildered by this “strategy” of dirt from the get-go.

  • abystander

    Scaredy, scaredy custard.

    Alex Salmond resigned a safe seat to fight a Lib Dem seat in the 2007 Scottish GE in which the SNP came third in the preceding election.

    • Denis_Cooper

      There were no elections to the EU Parliament in 2007.

      • abystander

        Gordon was the constituency. Lib Dems had a comfortable majority. Salmond did not seek a safe SNP seat but choose to fight from third place. He won. See Wikepedia. Scottish Parliamentary election 2007.

        Farage has no cojones.

        • Denis_Cooper

          But there were no EU Parliament elections in 2007.
          Did you really expect that Farage would allow himself to be diverted from UKIP’s ongoing and highly successful campaign for the EU Parliament elections, across the whole country, to start fighting another election campaign, just in Newark, because the Tories said he should?

          • abystander

            And your point would be?

            That Farage would rather sit in Brussels than Westminster?

            Well as he can divert more taxpayers money to himself and his family in Brussels you may be right.

            • Denis_Cooper

              That he’s already fully occupied with that ongoing campaign across the country, and much as you might like him to be diverted to another campaign within the confines of Newark, just one constituency out of 650, he’s now wise to that kind of trick and it isn’t going to happen.

              • abystander

                And Salmond was not “fully occupied” as party leader in the Scottish election of 2007?

                Farage is a fearty.

                • Denis_Cooper

                  In 2007, was Salmond already fully occupied with one election campaign when it was suggested that he might like to ditch his plans and divert his attention to another campaign?

                  I don’t think so; and if that suggestion had been made by his enemies then I don’t think Salmond would have fallen for it any more than Farage has fallen for it.

                • abystander

                  So Farage cannot walk and chew gum at the same time.

                • Denis_Cooper

                  He cannot be in two places at the same time.

                • abystander

                  So prefers to be in Brussels.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …not after Article 50.

                • Denis_Cooper

                  Wasting your time.

            • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

              As can every MEP. Just another reason to leave the EU!…….. unless of course you don’t actually care about the wasted funds and care more about your smear campaign?

            • saffrin

              What do you care about taxes as if Salmond gets his
              way Scotland will be neither part of the UK or the EU?
              You’ll be on your own. No money for your health service, your free education and no one to bail you out anytime soon.
              And with Salmond’s threat to ban EU trawlers from Scottish
              waters if Van Rompouy doesn’t allow him into their undemocratic club, how is he going to enforce it with no Royal Navy to back him up?

              • abystander

                No.

                The rate you lot are going, you will be on your own.

                • saffrin

                  We’ve got the benefit of Falkland oil fields to look forward to yet, if Scotland leaves the UK, your lot will lose out on that too.

            • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

              Can you elaborate on how Salmond was elected when there were no elections?

              • abystander

                Salmond has been elected to both the Scottish and Westminster Parliaments by a Scottish electorate.

                He has never employed his wife or mistress using public moneys.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  You’ve completely ignored my question.

                  Can you elaborate on how Salmond was elected when there were no elections?

                • abystander

                  Salmond has only ever been elected when there has been an election.

                  Its kinda basic. You support UKIP right?

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  You claim he won the EU Parliament elections in 2007. But there were no elections in 2007, so how did he win?

                  My goodness, look at my name and avatar. I guess you’re a labour voter with s**t for brains.

                • abystander

                  Oh?

                  Where did I claim this?

                  I am not so stupid as to think those who disagree with me have “s**t for brains” but I do think Farage is a crook who uses my money to finance his women.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  I assume you were giving Salmond as an example of someone who has been in the same situation as Farage, yet the situation you’ve provided, thus far, is inadequate to justify your argument.

                • abystander

                  Farage bottles challenges but Salmond does not.

                  Farage is the darling of the English media which Salmond most certainly is not.

                  Farage is running an anti-politics party while Salmond is taking a principled stand for his country.

                  Farage has his snout in the trough while Salmond does not.

                  Farage comes from a privileged, moneyed background while Salmond does not.

                  I am shortsighted.Your moniker is rather small on my screen.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  You’re yet to provide evidence for this

                  Why is that a good thing?

                  Salmond is getting his country in deep with the EU, couldn’t imagine anything worse. He’s not fighting for independence he’s fighting for a different dependence, one which has bankrupt most of its countries.

                  Farage has the media attacking him daily, he’s probably much cleaner than Salmond, but by your own admission Salmond is “the darling of the media”.

                  I don’t see why your prejudice counts against Farage.

                  You’re ignorant and I couldn’t think of anything better than for Scotland to break away for many reasons, mainly they are a strain on us and cause us to have successive Labour governments.

                  I am very pro Scottish independence

                  Here’s my reply to the blog on here where the argument was made that we are the same except for accents:

                  I for one am pro-independence as an Englishman, but the Scots will be pulled further into the EU.
                  Of the 20 British PMs since 1900 8 were born in Scotland. The greatest beneficiary of Scottish succession will be the English Tories. The conservative and unionist party which is; self-evidently, committed to the continuation of the Union. BUT which would, by supporting the union’s rapture gain a massive political advantage. “Call me Dave” has a choice respect the heritage of his party, or be a radical PM with a ruthless grasp of realpolitik. it is the Scottish people who will suffer as a result of political hubris; of tearing a sucking nation from its teat. How long until the oil runs out?
This article is very strange article, Scotland is many things, but not English.
Scotland is a foreign country. linguistic idioms, architecture, urbanism are alien and beguiling. It is foreign because of its very familiarity.
                  Economy: From our former names of Alba, Alban to Albania, we have always been divided. Scotland hate the Tories as we can see from another article on here, this is because she closed down their mining industry, although it was economically exhausted, it was socially cohesive. Tens of thousands were rationalised into voluntary idleness, their unemployment benefit could arguably cost more.
                  Drug use: Scotland has western-Europe’s highest proportion of population of Heroin users, 50,000 people. Still only 1%; which makes one wonder on the willpower of the remaining 99%; how do they get by. Heroin in Scotland is incidentally the cheapest in Western-Europe
Diet: The Scottish diet is notoriously reliant on; white sugar and white flour. it constitutes an anti-gastronomic, anti-sybaritic, anti-hygienic assault on the body; an assault which is undertaken with proletcultish pride and inadvertent snobbery; the twin poles of impressive obesity and hatchet-faced cadaverousness are amply represented. You don’t need to go to Switzerland; Scottish chip shops provide an effective euthanasia service. Unsurprisingly coronary disease and lung cancer are so prevalent in Scotland that average life expectancy is the shortage in Western-Europe; 74 may still seem too many years for a man to endure if he is condemned to live in surroundings like that of Scotland.
Scotland’s demographic complexion owes more to Europe than to England. Scotland enjoys an extremely high level of teenage pregnancy, “Duff” is after all a teenage name. 11% of Scotland’s inhabitants receive disability benefits; some of them are not all that disabled; for instance, a supposedly one-legged man who worked as a roofer.
Crime: According to the UN (given its quaint array of biases, isn’t necessarily the most reliable of sources) you’re more likely to be assaulted in Scotland than in any other developed country; that’s something to write home about; unless of course your hands has been crushed in the assault. The murder rate is among the highest is Western-Europe; so too is the population of percentage in prison – 8,000. Scotland shares Brazil’s propensity to self-annihilation, violent crime deprivation and hardly unrelated a grotesquely inequitable division of wealth.
Society: “If a thing is worth doing; it is worth doing badly” G.K Chesterton seems to be taken literally by Scotland; its utilitarian drabness. Imagination costs nothing. Scotland loves oppression and curtailment; “You’re going to live like your grandparents and you’re going to be grateful for it”. “This is your place” Grants primacy to the past, rather than to the future. fetishists roots rather than branches. An inhibition to social mobility which is conditional on actual mobility. People know their place.
340 people own 58% of rural Scotland, and 52% of the highlands is owned by 90 people. The public purse provides most of the jobs, and they provide the government with votes- Quid pro quo.

                • abystander

                  I note your ignorance of my country, your contempt for its people and your arrogance in telling me what is best for me and my family.

                  Farage is a crook who funds his private life from taxpayers’ funds.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  How am I telling you what’s best for you or your family. I am AGREEING with your argument for independence.

                  Please explain how I am ignorant, I’ve provided a lot of factual information about your country.

                  He takes no more than any other MP/MEP.

                  Salmond’s a real man of the people:

                  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/10755898/Revealed-The-five-star-suite-Alex-Salmond-enjoyed-at-the-taxpayers-expense.html

                • Marie Louise Noonan

                  ‘I note your ignorance of my country, your contempt for its people and your arrogance in telling me what is best for me and my family.’

                  It cuts both ways, doesn’t it?

          • the viceroy’s gin

            Correct. And for UKIP, the most important part of the May 22nd elections are the locals. That is where they must plant their seed corn, for the movement that will eventually club the LibLabCon clones into submission.

            UKIP’s MEP’s can only provide a tourniquet, to keep LibLabCon from using those seats to bleed away freedom and liberty forever. But it is in the local elections that the means will be found to eventually throttle those degenerate LibLabCon socialists.

    • Doggie Roussel

      Pillock !

  • Colonel Mustard

    The sneering, chortling response of the chummy Tory and Labour MPs to a short piece on the English Democrats in Daily Politics said it all. Earlier the Labour MP referred to UKIP as appealing to an “outdated cultural reference”. Yes, when you set out to change a country beyond recognition within a generation and without consent the “cultural reference” you have trampled over might indeed seem outdated.

    But don’t crow just yet or you might get more than you bargained for. “We always were English, and we’ll always be English, and it’s just because we are English that we’re sticking up for our rights to be Burgundians!” (1949, not long after a fight against another bunch of fascists attempting to impose their will on us).

    • dalai guevara

      No one joined the European project against their will.

      You either up your game of be witness to history being made once again – the Thatcherite position is one that now commands even less authority – in these lands, never mind abroad.

      • Colonel Mustard

        Bog off. I was not referring to the “European project” (Gawd) or the “Thatcherite position” (Gawd 2).

        • dalai guevara

          Toilet language, Herr Oberst? Please, there are minors about.

          Your leaders chose to sign you up, sir. All of them, irrespective of which side of the one party persuasion. Now this conundrum causes frustration amongst the lower ranks? No sherlock, Sherlock.

          • Colonel Mustard

            You offer nothing here. You merely whine about the whining of others. Let us whine in peace.

            • dalai guevara

              No, Herr Oberst – what I do is offer you a view of what will happen next.

              Remember the wind farm and CCGT saga, Well, what are we now basing our energy revolution on – nuclear? Pah.
              Remember the ill-conceived blatherings of the Republicans wanting us to care about their cause? Pah.
              Remember the hilarious conflations when Leveson was mixed up with the state regulating our press? Pah.
              Do you recall the free market crowd defending the likes of Branson, that great purveyor of privatised space programmes funded on the back of us, the British taxpayer? Pah.
              Will you now admit that when others talked up the value of Gold (buy me buy me, it’s not a bubble) that clear thinkers announced then that if you wanted more gold we would just print more of the paper kind? Pah.

              You lot may wish to whinge – but in you whinging, at least come out with some truths.

              Wegtreten.

              • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                Branson is pro-EU like you.

                Wind farms were forced by the EU’s renewable energy drive.

                • dalai guevara

                  No sherlock, Sherlock.
                  Branson is pro-EU, that’s why he resides in the British Virgin Islands.

                  Wind farms are ‘forced on everyone’, how would they do that? Make Parliament pass a law that is the Climate Change Act 2008? What next, Labour are Bruxelles plants?

                  The ‘greenest government ever’, a doctrin conceived by Sigmar Gabriel?

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  I said he was pro-EU thicko.

                  The EU sets emissions targets you idiot.

                  Whatever UKIP are paying you it isn’t enough!

                • dalai guevara

                  Yes I heard you the first time, which means that if Branson is a thicko, he must be opposed, ‘thicko’.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  Are you aware that EU emissions taxes and energy prices have managed to close down both of our steel smelters in the last 6 months?

                  Why are you so concerned about emissions from our small country, it’s a global issue, sending our polluting industries to China doesn’t solve the problem.

                • dalai guevara

                  There is a solution to all of this.
                  There is no issue with pollution from modern coal fired power plant. You do not have the technical expertise to comment on such matters and of course you again demonstrate that you have no idea what you are talking about.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  It’s amusing you talking about others’ “technical expertise”. You, the ignorant and poorly educated envirowhacko nutter… who fibbed about being an “engineer”.

                  You’re a caricature of yourself, lad.

                • dalai guevara

                  It’s amusing to see you here backpaddling – nuclear comrade.
                  Yes, all the above is correct and I corrected you on day one: renewables backed up by modern CCGT was the answer with regards to Britain’s domestic energy needs, and look tovarishch, like magic, it is the answer. You now want to discuss USC engineering technology? What would you know about that one? Nothing that my uneducated self would not already know.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Yes, it is still amusing, watching you masquerade as an “engineer”.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  Thankfully he couldn’t engineer his way out of a google search.

                • dalai guevara

                  You never met an engineer, lad? I mean, it is rocket science for you lobbyists – real people who do real things.
                  You know nothing about delivery, nothing about technology, nothing about what other people know and you prove that with every post. I fixed your energy issues for you, you had to buy in that expertise because you, dear boy, are not qualified to delivery anything.

                  All you can do is team up with that neotelemachus type, is he his replacement? I will happily deal with both of you, with one hand tied behind my back.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  It’s even more amusing, that you continue to push your masquerade, as an “engineer”.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  He claimed to be a soldier as well.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Yes, and now the troll uses about a 1/2 dozen sockpuppets on this site. That’s sad.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Yes. Easy to spot though the common denominator being the use of gibberish when expressing green/socialist nuttery. I am looking forward to when he starts having conversations with himself e.g. dalai and youkid.

                • Mynydd

                  It was down to the British government not the EU as to what renewable energy we adopted. Wind farms were not forced on us we choose them. We could have opted for the Severn Barrage which would have produced 5% of the country’s energy all renewable, The flow of the tide is know to the minute unlike the wind and sun

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  We had to choose something. Much in the same way the Teflon Don used to let his victims choose a drill or a hammer.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …that tidal nonsense is an even greater capital destruction machine than windmills… and that’s saying something.

                  Why does the Left want to destroy prosperity, and impoverish people? That’s just bizarre.

                • itdoesntaddup

                  Just as well we didn’t. The economics of the barrage are even more disastrous than offshore wind.

              • the viceroy’s gin

                …is this all drug-induced?

                • dalai guevara

                  Ah, the lobbyist. I was waiting for you to turn up.
                  How’s the nuclear thing going, tovarishch? Oh yes, you withdrew from that fallacy rather quickly.
                  And the Leveson fallacy? Ah, you had to withdraw from that one too, given that Fraser set your record straight.
                  What’s left? Branson and the privatisers of essential public services still unilaterally supported? I don’t think so.
                  So what IS left? Ah yes, the moaning ranters are now your only refuge. No doubt the fallacies will just keep on coming…

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …can any other of you druggy socialist nutters translate this nutter’s gibberish?

                  How’s the goat, by the way?

                • dalai guevara

                  Have you been replaced by another tovarishch, tovarishch or will you now blame memory loss?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …but you’ll have to get with this nutter and see which drugs are in play here.

              • Colonel Mustard

                What am I supposed to admit? You are not in 11, Wilhelmstrasse now you know. No idea what you are on about, old boy, but I’m sure it is not the output of an English gentleman. You’ll get name, rank and number and nothing more.

                Mustard, Algernon Oliver De Montfort, Colonel, 123456789

                (I made the number up)

                • dalai guevara

                  I am asking you to admit to nothing, and certainly not from such address or similar approved.
                  You wanted to whine, whine with a purpose at least. Your stance on state supervision and press control were always welcome. On Europe these opinions are also welcome when they are constructive.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Er, “Will you now admit…”

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Whining is seldom to a purpose and certainly won’t alter the direction of travel. That will need something more robust than whining but there is no appetite for it in this craven, put upon country.

              • Inverted Meniscus

                Utter gibberish.

      • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

        We did you idiot, it was a trade agreement that got out of hand.

        How much are the lib-dems paying you to comment in the build up to the EU elections? “EUNIFY” hahahahahahaa

        • dalai guevara

          A fruitcake is called a fruitcake for a reason.

          • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

            I agree, the labeller has no rational arguments.

            • dalai guevara

              Your jibe is welcome, lad.

              Arguments cannot be processed by your ilk, as you demonstrate conclusively – you are a particularly pathological case and reality will no doubt soon close in on you.

              • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                Why would the establishment resort to tittle-tattle if they had a rational argument to put forward?

                • dalai guevara

                  No one joined the EU against their will.
                  Enforce the law that is 2008/50/EC.
                  Branson is a ‘thicko’ – your words not mine.
                  The greenest government ever and the UK CCA 2008, conceived in Bruxelles – your words, not mine.

                  You really ought to send your boss now, you are no match for me.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  I’ve never called Branson a thicko. I called you a thicko, and you’re proving my point!

                  We joined the EU against our will, I don’t remember having a say.

                • dalai guevara

                  “I said he was pro-EU thicko.”
                  You are clearly losing it, lad. Send your boss, you are no match for me.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  Had I included the word “A” you might have an argument.

                • dalai guevara

                  But then it would have been an error in your punctuation. You will call me nothing of that sort without getting the appropriate response. Now, send your boss to deal with me.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  So, who cares … You’re still wrong in your assumption.

                  I answer to no man.

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  A Ping pong ball has more intellect than you. Stop spouting such utter gibberish.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Yes, you’re better off canoodling with your goat, lad.

  • Barakzai

    Whatever else he might be, Farage is no fool and all the factors which ‘persuaded’ him not to stand he knew full well yesterday. But raising the possibility got him an interview on ‘Today’ with the predictably snapping Humphreys, and has the bubble commentariat feverishly yapping.

    Perhaps Farage’s motive was merely a testing of the water and a calculation that another opportunity simply to remind the average voter about UKIP was worth the childish ‘bottling’ and ‘frit’ accusations from inside the bubble?

  • zanzamander

    Today Chris (oh, I want to be so loved) Evans on his BBC 2 radio breakfast show read out from the Guardian (where else) list of anti Farage/Ukip propaganda.

    The shameless biased BBC is doing what it does best: spreading poison and divisions in the community.

    This is what Ukip is up against: a concerted attack in the MSM against him and his party.

  • Mc Kenzie

    James

    I think No 10 would be politically naive to see this as a victory

    If he had stood the Tories would have won and that would have “burst his bubble”

    Asit is he lives to fight another day – attacked by the media, yes – but
    as we have previously seen that results in higher scores in the polls

  • James Allen

    5 words: Because he’s not an idiot.

    • dalai guevara

      Now, that read either way doesn’t make any sense.

      • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

        Oh dear, it would appear the EU supporters lack a simple grasp of our language, as well as our patriotism.

        • Colonel Mustard

          He’s German.

          • dalai guevara

            Good day Oberst Senf – do you want Weisswurst with that?

            • Colonel Mustard

              No thanks. An impersonation of giving head whilst in uniform is most unbecoming.

              • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                I could tell, it appears he’s terrified about us leaving the EU. I hope the EU collapses when we leave (soon) it is very likely to, I mean, especially if they stop trading with their largest export market in the world!

                The Germans are sick and tired of paying for Greece, if we leave many will follow.

                https://twitter.com/dalaiguevara

                http://www.project-syndicate.org/profile/d195240546f86f7c09ef7766

                Apparently he thinks communism has worked for Cuba, I’d tend to go against his views before I know what they are.

  • El_Sid

    the Tories are bound to pick a local candidate

    Except they already have picked one, months ago – and he’s not local.

    • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

      In my Grandfather’s constituency their MP claims she has “always wanted to live on the Suffolk coast” She has been in power for years. She lives over 200 miles away on the other side of London, in Hampshire.

      Beyond parody.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      …our intrepid Cameroonian media licksplittle missed that detail, did he? I’m shocked.

  • Holby18

    I do not think you can compare voters intentions in the EU elections with those in a general election for the UK Parliament. People are not interested in Europe – many do not know much about the institution. It is therefore a good time to vote for outsiders to reprimand the main parties. The same happens in local elections when voters believe they are taken for granted. However, we are not daft when we are voting for a UK government. We may all think Nigel is a jolly fun chap just like Boris. However, no one in their right mind would consider Nigel or his party fit for government. Similarly, Boris may be popular in the South East – but in other parts of the country he is considered a buffoon. Read the Louth News to see what a constituent in Louth and Horncastle (Sir Peter Tapsell) feels about having such a person foisted on them.

    It seems to me that many journalists are out of touch with the country outside of London and the South East.

    • Alexsandr

      I think its you that is in the Westminster bubble
      Peope are very concerned about immigration and associate that with the EU, and the ECHR. So the EU is important just because of that issue.
      Heard farage on Toady this morning and he quite reasonably said he has not connection with the Newark area and does not believe in parachuting himself into that election. Wise as the tories have a local candidate.
      Ken Clarke afterwards just sounded daft, blathering on about serious politicians as if they have done well. I could see the tory votes trickling away as he spoke.

      • Blindsideflanker

        Up to now the Conservatives have managed to keep Ken Clarke muzzled, but with a near by bye election taking place it is unlikely that will they be able to keep Clarke from sabotaging their EU elections.

        • Chingford Man

          Rushcliffe is next door to Newark so hopefully we will hear a lot from Euro Ken.

    • Raw England

      Lol.

      Its you who’s out of touch, you freak. London is an immigrant city, thus it despises any sign of native British rising up.

      The rest of England either supports UKIP, or is seriously considering it.

      Also, you seem to like the fact not many people fully understand Europe. I’ll tell you one thing: as more and more people DO understand it, more and more are seeing how sinister it is.

      • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

        There’s a nice Telegraph article on how the EU is driving away our financial industry, it won’t be long before Germany has our banking sector.

  • Kitty MLB

    I am trying to eschew this Dante’s Inferno Named the Spectator, never minds.
    Another thread on he same article- I am not saying all that again.
    Its all about timing and choosing your battles before winning the war. Especially
    when up against the big beast and suffocating establishment.
    Nigel Farage needs to concentrate on the EU elections and speak for the UK as all
    the other parties are enraptured with the EU beast.. clearly they have been eating strange mushrooms from Brussels.
    Timing is imperative when up against so much. Farage will know when the time is
    right to gain a seat and he clearly will gain one, at some point.
    Arrivederci ,again….

    • Wessex Man

      Well said Kitty darling, I was going to make a cooment but you have for now have dealt with it.

    • Holly

      Farage should run for Ed Balls seat in 2015.

      • Shazza

        I have just posted the same thing over at Iain Martin’s blog at the Telegraph.

        I believe Farage is close to having maxed out the Conservative defection and Labour offer very rich pickings.
        Oh joy – to be rid of Balls and put Farage into Parliament in one swoop – Bliss!

        Farage is one smart hombre and he is playing the long game – had he personally lost in Newark, it would come close to being game over.

        Question – is it possible that Farage, by saying that Cameron would have to resign should he, Farage have won in Newark, be construed as a twig of an olive branch to the Conservatives?

        • Denis_Cooper

          No.

        • telemachus

          Ed Balls has more sense of how to rumour country in his little toe than Farage
          Let him go to Morley and Outwood and split the Tory vote to allow Ed to increase his majority

          • the viceroy’s gin

            “Ed Balls has more sense of how to rumour country in his little toe than Farage”

            .

            What in the wide wide world of sports are you blathering about now, lad?

            I think you leftists are going mad now. Positively mad.

            Somebody pass that popcorn bowl, oh and a round for the house on me.

            • Tom Allalone

              Some charity, please, you must forgive Telemachus his typos, it’s hard to type with a straitjacket on

              • telemachus

                But tele learns and corrects

                • Tom Allalone

                  Minds like yours are incapable of learning

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  Or correcting by people like us.

                • telemachus

                  The human condition is such that there are universal truths that cannot be modified
                  The socialist principles of fairness are such

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  Socialism has ALWAYS lead to the absolute opposite of what its proponents claim they wish to achieve, far from ending poverty socialism CREATES poverty. Instead of upholding freedom socialism destroys the very liberty that our forebears fought and died to defend.
Socialists ALWAYS hand power from the people to the state they spend money they dont have, create a culture of dependency rather than self-reliance, undermine traditions, conventions and institutions that have stood the test of time, and when things go wrong, as they inevitably do under socialism, socialists resort to the power and might of the state against the people themselves.
                  Socialism bought our great nation to its knees by the 70s. Look at Jamaica (previously the most prosperous Caribbean nation) where socialism promised so much but delivered total economic collapse, and made those whom it pledged to make richer much, much poorer.
                  You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
                  You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
                  You cannot help little men by tearing down big men.
                  You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage 
payer.
                  You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
                  You cannot establish sound security on borrowed money.
                  You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
                  You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you earn.
                  You cannot build character and courage by destroying men’s initiative and independence.
                  And you cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they can and should do for themselves.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  ‘Socialist principles’ is an oxymoron. Remember little man when you told us that the socialist end is justified by any means.

                • Gareth

                  Gentlemen, can we raise the level of debate beyond insults please?

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  …to tie the straitjacket tighter.

            • telemachus

              Think and heed
              And keep off the gin

              • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                How can anyone look at Balls and see anything more than a buffoon who has ALREADY destroyed our economy? It’s beyond me.

                • telemachus

                  Not many people who saw his magnificent performance on Channel 4 last night would be in doubt that with Ed is where the future direction of our great country lies

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  I don’t watch “Channel 4” thankfully my life commands more than that.

                • Holly

                  That would be the one featured on another site….
                  Where Beetroot boy, the bumbling oaf states he had no role at all in the Co op banks merger with Britannia’…A Tory smear…’I was the Education secretary, until it became clear I was inferior to Gove…
                  Yet in 2010, on a blogpost this same moron, with a really duff memory, boasts of how he was also able to give support to the Treasury for a private members bill that led to the creation of the first ever ‘super mutual’ bringing the Britannia and Co op bank together in the interest of Labour…I mean the customer. Rather than the banking elite.
                  It was more an ‘eye-opener’ to the depths this liar stoops to that does indeed make his performance last night ‘magnificent’….
                  Especially for those of us who hope his constituents dislike being mis-led, and treated like scum by a bod who crashes stuff then runs away and denies all knowledge of said crash when questioned.

                • hatrev

                  They surely can if they are in the twisted asinine mindset called socialism.

          • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

            What is your obsession with Ed’s toe? this is the 3rd comment about it this week.

            • telemachus

              Previous comments were about Harriet and Yvette
              It attests to the quality of the opposition front bench

              • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                No, I recall several about Ed’s toe, as well as Miliband’s, something to do with integrity, to which I replied “they same Balls who is a hit and run driver”

                They hide their good virtues well it would seem. Farage wear his in his heart and on his sleeve!

              • the viceroy’s gin

                “Harriet and Yvette
                It attests to the quality of the opposition front bench”

                .

                …that’s LOL funny, too!

                • Inverted Meniscus

                  Agreed. I nearly had an accident!

          • saffrin

            That explains the annual £159 billion deficit Labour left the country to deal with then.
            Ed Balls’ little toe does the thinking.

            • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

              Apparently the labour cabinet would settle disputes with a thumb of war.

            • Inverted Meniscus

              We should be grateful. Imagine how big the structural deficit would have been if he had used what passes for his brain!!!

          • ButcombeMan

            I laughed out load. You are truly wonderful entertainment.

            Balls is THE big problem for Labour, tainted utterly and forever, by the BIG BROWN ( and Balls) MESS.

            Not Milliband’s first choice,

            Milliband KNOWS he should move Balls but lacks the balls.

            • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

              Two ‘Eds and not a brain between them.

          • chudsmania

            Well he ran it well last time. Thats if you think nearly bankrupting us means well run.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            You have written some barking mad garbage in the short time I have bee here but that takes the biscuit.

      • dalai guevara

        What, against the next chancellor of England?

        • Keith D

          So has Salmond won his referendum?

          • you_kid

            If he won’t then the probabilities of the above will rise further.

            • Keith D

              Shamelessly copied from another thread.

              “Barbara Roche is an odious woman, who Andrew Neather revealed that she
              when, as Immigration Minister, saw “mass immigration was the way that
              the Government was going to make the UK truly multicultural.”
              This should be stamped on the forehead of every voter intending to vote Labour.

              I know they’ve replaced a lot of their lost working class vote with fraud, benefit clients and slaves of Allah, but if another British worker ever considers them again, quite frankly they need sectioned for suicidal tendencies.

              • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                Barbara Roche is brilliant! She’s the personification of the reason I vote UKIP. If I could bottle her ignorance and hatred of my country I would surely get us out of the EU by next week.

              • dalai guevara

                Gandhi in Darwen, Oct 1931.
                Immigrants were welcomed with open arms soon thereafter… when did you say that Roche women was born?

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dFeDGXAMSs

                • Keith D

                  Immigration to fill gaps in the Labour market is one thing. Immigration on a biblical scale to impose a hostile culture on the electorate quite another.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  Immigration on our scale drives down wages hurting the poorest the most.

            • the viceroy’s gin

              This is a first, lad. You, the goat and a multiple of your identities in one discussion string.

            • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

              You Kid is an idiot.

              • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                I agree with realpolitick, he’s such a handsome devil

                • dalai guevara

                  (!)

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  Just getting a grasp of the multiple account Disqus faction, of which you appear to lead.

    • Keith D

      I hope you fail in your efforts Kitty. Please stay.

      • Shazza

        Totally agree. Please stay Kitty.

        • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

          Where is she going?

          • Shazza

            Read her post at the top of the page…….

            • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

              Nowhere is safe from attacks on UKIP. The political establishment are borrowing a favour from the media.

        • Kitty MLB

          Oh sorry that post of mine was a bit over the top ( not good with words ) Its just politics can be a bit all consuming and
          I haven’t been that well recently, so I thought I’d things a break.
          Although relatives think that’s not a good idea. Maybe I’ll
          just quieten down and become background noise, instead
          of so much in the face.
          thanks shazza and Keith. 😉

          • Shazza

            Hope you back to your normal fighting fit state soon.

            • Kitty MLB

              Thanks,But I have already seen 2 threads of interest. Maybe I should just post and go. Hope people will not think me
              rude if I do not always respond to them, you know what
              its like when you get involved in debates.

              • Shazza

                Agree.

    • Raw England

      I also find it dark and weird how the Spectator is anti-UKIP, and how it is bolstering the artifical narratives created by the immigrant/Leftist dominated-media.

      • Colonel Mustard

        It’s all dark and weird. The moment that UKIP start to rise in popularity the label “racist party” appears from many different directions using the same kind of script. It’s all down to 1989 and “leading beyond authority”, the diversity agenda within the establishment and a complete sell out to reheated, rebranded form of communism called communitarianism imported from Chicago. There are umpteen “campaign groups” now, all weirdly left wing, intolerant and militant, half of them masquerading as charities or “independent” think tanks, all peddling the same script of “leading change in a post-democratic age”.

        The writing was on the wall more than a decade ago. UKIP are the only party not signed up to incrementally enslaving us.

      • Holly

        This phenomenon has begun because UKIP are now nibbling at Labour voters.
        Somewhere, out of sight of public scrutiny, the three main parties do their own internal polls, and while it was a good laugh to Labour bods when they were grabbing Tory voters, and always, (it seemed) pushing the Lib Dems into third place in by-elections everything in the garden was lovely…..
        Today, because of Labour’s sheer arrogance that they would simply stride back into government in 2015, thus doing nothing positive to inspire the public, they will lose many of their usual supporters, plus a few, who would vote Lib Dem, or stick a pencil in their eye,before they would contemplate voting Tory.

        This is NOT anti-UKIP rhetoric, it IS pro-Labour/left rhetoric.

    • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

      I’ve received no fewer than three leaflets from UKIP, over the past few months, none from any other party.

      If Farage isn’t contesting this seat because he’s “bottled it” as the Telegraph put it, why on earth won’t they print a similar story about the Tories in the May 22nd election?

      • you_kid

        I have also received three leaflets, none of which were from UKIP.
        Now, what will that little tale tell us about this great regional phenomenon that is the Home Counties despising their centralist elite? The rest of the nation does.not.care.

        • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

          I can’t imagine a party with any sense wasting a leaflet on someone so patently ignorant as yourself.

          • Denis_Cooper

            The one I got today was the UKIP Election Communication delivered by Royal Mail to every household, and they are not allowed to miss a house because the occupier is ignorant. And I must say that it’s an excellent read …

            • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

              So are you calling kid a liar?

              • Denis_Cooper

                Why do you think that?

                I don’t know where he lives, but he certainly doesn’t live in the same house as me, thank God.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  I don’t see what relevance there is to the Royal Mail statement you made, unless you were implying that kid is lying about not receiving a leaflet.

                • Denis_Cooper

                  I’m not implying that he must have received the UKIP Election Communication, because I don’t know where he lives and Royal Mail doesn’t necessarily deliver them all on the same day in a given area let alone across the whole country.

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  You’ve explain what you weren’t implying, but not what you were implying.

                • Denis_Cooper

                  I wasn’t implying anything, I was just stating:

                  “The one I got today was the UKIP Election Communication delivered by Royal Mail to every household, and they are not allowed to miss a house because the occupier is ignorant. And I must say that it’s an excellent read … ”

                  I hope that clears up this mystery for you …

                • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

                  You have a fascinating insight into the Royal Mail code of conduct. Thank you for sharing it. I very much doubt that “Kid” is unknown to his postman.

                  Myself, I’d not want to risk enguaging in a conversation with him, I’d wait until his DWP giro cheques accumulate and take them in one commando like 3am undertaking.

                  “A UKIP pamphlet for ‘Kid’…… it’s more than my job’s worth”

      • Holly

        I saw the first, ‘I’m voting UKIP’ poster in a window today, and trust me when I say they ARE NOT Tory voters.
        Dirty grey net curtains, not hung quite right, or hung right a LONG time ago, give them away.

        • Realpolitik/ fruitcake/ racist

          Perhaps you can describe me; being an avid supporter of UKIP?

    • telemachus

      When is your friend Susan Elizabeth Wilkinson going to declare for Newark?

    • allymax bruce

      Excellent comment, Kitty, Nigel doesn’t need to concern himself with Westminster elections, they, Westminster Party’s, will come begging him for ‘coalition’ in 2015.
      Why? Because the future is all about the EU, and (that’s why Labour are so scared out of their wits, not offering an EU vote, while The Conservatives have absolutely promised a vote, and Liberals are ‘make-weight’ lightweights), at the prospect of Farage being ‘powerful’ in the EU because of his UKIP’s massive European elections success (guaranteed!), coming up this month. Nigel, if he’s clever, will only need to do well in the European elections in 4 wks, and put up as many UKIP candidates for G.E.2015, to know he’s (UKIP), a certainty to be asked to be in a winning ‘coalition’ with The Conservatives. Like I said a couple of days ago, compare, and contrast Barosso, with Farage; old-order on the way out, new-nomenclature on the way in.

    • Inverted Meniscus

      Well don’t. The sensible right-of-centre cause needs all the voices it can muster to counter the outright lies and fantasist ramblings of the left which gain currency if left unchecked. You cannot leave this space to the ghastly Telemachus etc. Kitty, ‘man up’ if you will excuse the expression and keep posting!

  • alabenn

    But if Ukip don’t come top in the Europeans, and with Farage not running in Newark, then there’ll be a sense that Ukip has missed its moment.
    What absolute nonsense.
    None of the lies and exaggerations topped of with the few unsuitable candidates for councils have made any difference to their ratings, this will only register in the fevered imaginings around the capitol, out in the real world life will sail serenely on for now.

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