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Sexism is ‘in your face’ in Britain because it’s up for discussion

16 April 2014

4:17 PM

16 April 2014

4:17 PM

Sexism is more ‘in your face’ in Britain than in other countries, a United Nations investigator has claimed. I can see why the UN’s Rashida Manjoo might think this – for better or worse, sexism is a topic that features frequently in British publications. I imagine the Pakistani, Egyptian and Sudanese press don’t give it quite as much coverage.

I’m going to assume this was the official’s logic: we write about it a lot, ergo it must be prevalent. Her research would have been easy. All those tweets about #EverydaySexism. A cabinet with fewer women than men. Page Three!

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We’ve got a problem. Send help.

Except that we really don’t. Feminism has reached its fourth wave, and by and large, women are doing ok. There’s work to be done – domestic violence is still widespread, and there could be many more female CEOs in the FTSE 100. But let’s imagine the claims of #EverydaySexism from women in countries like Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Mali: #GangRape; #Stonings; #AccusationsOfWitchcraft; #ExtremeGenitalMutilation. I know where I’d rather live.

We’re used to reading about sexism in Britain nowadays. Occasionally, people panic, and treat something that is simply infantile with national outrage – take the response to the Facebook group Women Who Eat on Tubes. But collectively (and from points all along the political spectrum), Britain’s scribes do a good job smoking out foul play. Genital mutilation – which has no place in any country – has been forcefully criticised, and yesterday, a landmark trial began. Too late, yes, but at least some action is being taken.

So welcome to Britain, Ms Manjoo, where sexism is ‘in your face’, because it’s up for discussion. Yes, we still have some problems to sort out, but Britain is progressive when it comes to women’s rights, especially in comparison to many other countries. Go deal with them before you start lecturing us.

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  • Robert Frost

    Great article. There’s still more work to be done for women, but the real opportunity to improve equality in the UK now lies in the swathes of oppression of men in areas such as family law. I doubt my daughters’ husbands will enjoy equal maternity rights or protection against paternity fraud but I sincerely hope my grandsons might. As for the 99.99% of combat deaths being male, I doubt that statistic will ever become 50-50, but I do hope society will come to consider what dividend men should receive in return for this enormous sacrifice.

  • kingkevin3

    The day women start pulling their weight in the engineering, software and scientific sectors then we can start talking about equality in the board room in these sectors. Yes women have a long way to go to re-educate themselves in the 21st century. It’s hard work of course

    • Mrs.JosephineHyde-Hartley

      There’s nothing hard about pulling weight in any silly so-called sector..it’s just donkey work. Why should any women want to be the same as the blinkered and the theory laden in some boring board room?

      Surely it’s the 21st century that dearly wonts to learn something salutary about the position of women in general. It’s coming, of course.

  • Gwangi

    Yes, sexism is a dreadful problem in the UK. Every time on my TV I see it – the mocking, demeaning portrayal in adverts; the finger of blame constantly pointed at only one gender form well, everything that is bad in the world; the legalised sexist discrimination in the workplace through ‘positive action’.
    I am of course talking of the terrible sexism suffered by men in British society.
    If women were portrayed constantly as buffoons in adverts and as monsters – or at best useless twerps – in TV dramas, I think they would have a case, As things are, they do not. Not when men are so discriminated against in order to leapfrog women into senior job roles they don’t deserve all in the name of ‘diversity’ (or legalised discrimination against white men, as it’s also called).
    Add to that our massively feminised education system – with less than 30% male teachers now and falling – and one can see athropophobia in the UK is a serious problem.
    Might I suggest Ms Hullaballoo sod off back to South Africa whence she came – she may have failed to notice it’s the rape capital of the world by quite some margin.

  • Bonkim

    Ignore the UN and their reps on expenses.

  • James

    Everyday sexism and NGOs say we are sexist = the UN uses the NGOs as proof of sexism = the NGOs use the UN as proof we are sexist.

    The circle of life.

  • foxoles

    Rod Liddle on the UN sexism special rapporteur:

    ‘There is more sexism in Britain than in any other country in the world, according to a mad woman who has been sent here by the United Nations.

    Rashida Manjoo is a part-time professor of law at Cape Town University in the totally non-sexist country of South Africa (otherwise known as Rape Capital Of The World).

    Mrs Magoo has been wandering around with her notebook and is appalled by the sexist “boys’ club” culture here, apparently.

    I don’t doubt we still have sexism in the UK. But is it worse than in, say, Saudi Arabia, d’you think, honey-lamb? Or about 175 other countries? Get a grip, you doolally old bat.”

    Quote of the day on http://order-order.com/

  • sarahsmith232

    Have I been put back on the Spec’ moderators naughty step again? Where’s my comments disappeared to?

  • http://english-pensioner.blogspot.co.uk/ english_pensioner

    I suspect that she visited Tower Hamlets.

  • Leonidas

    Why do we have to put up with these UN nutters who ultimately we pay for? The last one who came, Raquel Rolnik,excelled by suggesting that the quote bedroom tax could be a violation of human rights. What does the Bible say about moats and beams and eyes? Suggest Rolnik sticks to Brazil and Manjoo to South Africa before they start lecturing us. Barakzai is spot on – two words would suffice

    • La Fold

      That was the zoomer who sacrificed a chicken to Karl Marx as a student. Mushrooms are mushrooms in Brazil.

  • Golben Amduke

    Manjoo is paid to look for sexism and she’ll jolly well find it. She’d find it in the uninhabited wastes of the Sahara.

  • Liz

    Lara, I’m afraid you aren’t old enough yet to know how well women do or don’t have it in the UK. Three years out of university, your expectations are low, you put the seniority and attitude of the men you meet down to the age and experience difference. Give it another 10 or 15 years of plugging away and still finding yourself junior to them and patronised and the penny will drop.

    • Hexhamgeezer

      Gawd Almighty, you’re a patronising Kcufwit

    • Wessex Man

      oh go and jump in front of a Race horse.

    • La Fold

      Oh flock off Ive done exactly that as have countless men who slog away through life.
      Maybe its easier to blame your failings on some conspiracy than to face the actual fact that you aint a special snowflake but just like most of us.

  • Liz

    Meanwhile what she actually said:

    “It is crucial to acknowledge that violence, inequality and discrimination does not occur solely on the basis of gender, and that women and girls face multiple forms of discrimination on the basis of their race, ethnicity, class, sexuality, and other factors, including their immigration status. Multiple forms of discrimination have an impact on women’s experiences of violence, their perceptions of those experiences, and their ability to seek and receive support.

    I am concerned about the problematic narratives surrounding violence against black and minority ethnic women and girls, which are often framed within the notions of culture, community, or religion, rather than within the larger context of a general patriarchal and discriminatory approach to women and girls. I am also concerned by legal and policy responses that are often limited to some harmful practices, such as early/forced marriages of young women and girls, or female genital mutilation, while ignoring the harms emanating due to a sexist culture that exists in the country; and which impacts all women and girls.

    While a holistic approach to violence against women and girls does require a thorough analysis of how different cultural contexts facilitate and perpetuate discrimination and violence against them, it is crucial to ensure that this analysis does not occur as a process of stigmatization of certain communities. A scrutiny of customs, traditions and institutions that facilitate violence against women and girls should include all cultural practices that generally affect women and girls, including negative and over-sexualized media portrayals of women and girls. More sustained work needs to be undertaken with the media to challenge its increasing over-sexualisation of young persons, particularly, of young women – a concern that was raised by many of the people I spoke to.

    The State has a responsibility to act with due diligence to eliminate all forms of violence against women and girls, and it is imperative that the best interests of all women and girls should guide the response of the UK government. “

    • MikeF

      “I am concerned about the problematic narratives surrounding violence against black and minority ethnic women and girls, which are often framed within the notions of culture, community, or religion, rather than within the larger context of a general patriarchal and discriminatory approach to women and girls.”

      In plain English – ethnic minority women are often subject to violence from the men of their own culture. The only people who are prepared to recognise this are conservatives from the majority ‘host’ culture who locate the cause of this violence within the norms and customs of those other cultures. The fact that they are correct to do so is neither here nor there. The liberal-left needs to overcome its reluctance to recognise the existence of violence against ethnic minority women by ethnic minority men and get on with the job of shifting the blame onto that larger, pre-existing culture.

      • sarahsmith232

        Mike, job v.v.v.well done, absolutely hilarious. Problem – I don’t think poor Liz here will be very able to understand it, I’m going to guess most of it might still passing straight over her head, bless. I’m not exactly fast on the uptake myself, so who I am to judge her but I think you might need to spelt it all for her in possibly a bit more simplistic terms.
        Your comment is so impressive I’m jealous. I didn’t get anywhere near as close with my little attempt at p*** taking. It’s a little reminder that if attempting to do my little bit to demolish the Left’s Metro little world brought on understanding of their superiority I’m prob’ missing somewhere in the region of a good 20 to 30 I.Q so can only manage the odd bit of a successful swipe. Yep, if I was a bit more intelligent I prob’ could have said that a bit better as well.
        But please, please do keep up the good work. Someone like you could even manage to penetrate the idiot U.N woman’s consciousness and make them think. There’s really not much of your sort out there, doing your v.inteligent and funny bit. Please do bother yourself to keep it up.

        • MikeF

          Hi Sarah – that is very kind of you but you must not be be so self-deprecating, I am sure you are actually very bright, because that will only encourage the left in their view that ‘right-wing’ men and ‘stupid’ women have some natural symbiosis with each other. You know the Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun/Unity Mitford sort of thing – not that they reallly need any help in constructing stereotypes and then immuring themselves in their fantasies. But just out of interest are you blonde…

          • sarahsmith232

            Tee Hee MikeF. I admire your boldness but i’m afraid i’m the opposite, I’m prob’ quite dark. Much as I’m sure a female could manage to finds lots of really quite enjoyable ways of being a Mitford sister to your Adolf Hilter, I’m afraid I’m going to have to duck out of those possibilities. Although I’m sure it would have been a loss, enjoy your Easter and please do keep on hammering them.

  • Liz

    She concluded that violence against women remains a “pervasive challenge throughout the United Kingdom,” drawing particular attention to the sexualisation of women and girls in the media (she referenced the Sun’s Page Three), misogynistic advertising, harassment on tubes and in public spaces, the bullying of girls in school, the “disproportionate” effect of austerity measures on women, and the inability of the criminal justice system to respond to women and girl survivors of violence.

    “I am also concerned by legal and policy responses that are often limited to some harmful practices, such as early/forced marriages of young women and girls, or female genital mutilation, while ignoring all the harms emanating due to a sexist culture that exists in the country; and which impacts all women and girls,” she added.

    All valid points – but what about the headlines, the claims that she called the UK the worst in the world? Here’s the actual quote, courtesy of the Telegraph’s write-up:

    Have I seen this level of sexist culture in other countries? It hasn’t been so in your face in other countries. I haven’t seen that so pervasively in other countries. I’m sure it exists but it wasn’t so much and so pervasive.”

    • MirthaTidville

      Has anyone told you, that you have a terrible chip on your shoulder?

    • sarahsmith232

      Stick this in your pipe –
      “Women’s organizations in the UK informed the Special Rapporteur that black and minority ethnic and migrant women experience a disproportionate rate of domestic homicide, and that women of Asian origin are up to three times more likely to commit suicide than other women as a result of violence.”
      From Colonel Mustard, above.
      Try and get out of that one. There’s not getting out, this is mainly non-white violence she’s commenting on. Where was this in her interview? Nowhere to be found, she’s preferring to go with some claptrap about it all being caused by the coalition’s austerity measures. I mean, please, you can’t be serious, you can’t seriously think highly of this female? The woman’s is just a left-wing U.N nut job.

      • Wessex Man

        You do realise that you’ve blown your chances of joining her sisterhood now don’t you?

        • sarahsmith232

          LOL, I know, I’m a feminist but these types of females really do the feminist movement down, if you ask me. It’s embarrassing to be associated with them.

    • sarahsmith232

      just read more of what she said. The absolute cherry on the cake – she’s far more concerned about the ‘stigmatizing’ of a community than she is of FGM, she is critical of the government eventually getting something done about it. What is wrong with you? Can/’t you see her for what she is?

    • Wessex Man

      I get it I get it please I get right on for the sisterhood baby! you go and sho zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • Liz

    Lol, look at the Spectator.
    1) the number of male vs female writers
    2) the kind of female writers hired
    3) the number of male vs female topics covered
    4) the nature of the images used of females vs males
    5) the way female topics are covered
    6) the language used about female subject matter
    7) the comment sections

    You have a microcosm right here of exactly what she describes.

    • Greenslime

      Yes. I noticed exactly the same thing in Cosmopolitan. It’s awful isn’t it!

      • Liz

        You noticed, when you read it.

        Board of Hearst Media, that owns Cosmopolitan Magazine and Esquire:
        Steven Swartz, Chief Executive Officer, President and Director
        Frank Bennack Jr. Executive Vice Chairman
        Mitchell Scherzer, Chief Financial Officer, Senior Vice President and Director
        Ronald Doerfler, Senior Vice President of Finance & Administration and Director
        James Asher, Chief Development Officer, Chief Legal Officer, Senior Vice President and Director
        Eve Burton, Senior Vice President, General Counsel and Director
        Richard Malloch, Director and President of Hearst Business Media
        Michael Clinton, Publishing Director, Director and President of Marketing – Magazines
        David Barrett, Director, Chairman of Hearst Television Inc., Chief Executive Officer of Hearst Television and President of Hearst Television, Inc.
        Mark Aldam, Director AND President of Hearst Newspapers
        David Carey, Director and President of Hearst Magazines
        Duncan Edwards, Director, Chief Executive Officer of Hearst Magazines International and President of Hearst Magazines International
        Jordan Wertlieb, Director and President of Hearst Television Inc.
        Stephen Hearst, Vice President, General Manager of Western Properties and Director

        • Wessex Man

          and your point is?

          • La Fold

            That all us Men bastards meet up every thursday to discuss ways of enforcing the patriarchy. TESTIFY SISTER!!!

            • Hexhamgeezer

              Stop oppressing her with words like ‘testify’. Some say it’s derived from b0llocks, which only men have which they use to oppress wimmin to stop them speaking out – probably.

              • sarahsmith232

                God, the p*** taking possibilities with all of this are off the chart, if the BBC hadn’t an unofficial blanket ban of right-wing satire they could get a whole series out of just this one U.N prat alone. Too funny Hexhamgeezer.

              • La Fold

                I better tell them about that at tonights meeting. How does every MAN on the planet keep Liz down this week?

  • Colonel Mustard

    The UN News Centre paints the picture of a slightly different focus for Ms Manjoo’s concerns, one which is unlikely to be reported objectively by all the usual suspects.

    “Other manifestations of violence which were reported throughout her visit (to the UK) included sexual harassment, gender-based bullying, forced and/or early marriages, female genital mutilation, gang-related violence, so called honour- related violence, and trafficking.

    “Women’s organizations in the UK informed the Special Rapporteur that black and minority ethnic and migrant women experience a disproportionate rate of domestic homicide, and that women of Asian origin are up to three times more likely to commit suicide than other women as a result of violence.”

    The trend is obvious. Very few of these issues are home grown.

    http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=47592&Cr=violence+against+women&Cr1=#.U0620ihiGHQ

    • sarahsmith232

      Ha! Just read your comment. Ha! Was thinking this when I was reading about her findings, all of that business with the girls in school being systemically raped and beaten by boys etc. Thought, well, this is not going on in white kids schools. So, the jig is up, so she did get told that there’s an ethnic dimension but she doesn’t want to mention that. Oh, I just wonder whether her own skin colour may have something to do with that. Jeez’ these people are a scourge.

  • Hexhamgeezer

    There is the possibility that Ms Manjoo is (mentally) ill and this is a very public coded cry for help. What next from her? Perhaps a report on the parlous state of French cuisine on the basis that they use a pig’s colon in some recipes?

    • Hexhamgeezer

      On the other hand, could she have meant ‘sexiest’ country in the world? It would be understandable if she’s been out boozing round here.

  • sarahsmith232

    straight off the bat, any person expecting to be taken seriously declaring that we’re the most sexist country in the world does not deserve to be in a position of responsibility when it comes to young minds. Just another taxpayer funded, U.N, left-wing nut job, that org’ appears to be riddled with them.

    • Liz

      Straight off the bat, she did not say this. She said that the pervasive media sexism was worse than she had encountered in the other countries she had so far visited.

      • sarahsmith232

        I can tell right now exactly what it is she said –
        ‘I’m not white, i’m of Indian extraction. I still, decades later and even when born in South Africa, have an all consuming chip that no amount of intellectualising my hatred of the English white, can minimise. I have absolutely no ability to be able understand myself when not set against the white, in particular the English white. It’s the only way that I can understand my worth so I desperately grasp for any reason to understand the English white as a pathetically stupid caricature – very much my backward, sexist, inferior. I can never understand this process because if it ever occurs to me I’d be crushed by it, so I prefer to remain an idiot blathering white hater. But hey, I live in a nation packed with them, so really no fear at all that I’ll ever be found out’.
        Actually, is what she said.

        • Liz

          It sounds like you’re the one with the chip on your shoulder. Not satisfied with attacking what she actually said on purely spurious racist grounds, you’ve decided to go the whole hog and attack what you yourself said.

          • sarahsmith232

            ok, that makes absolutely no sense. I attacked what I said? Hmm, not much sense in that, i’m afraid. Maybe you weren’t able to pick up on the p*** taking aspect. What I wrote doesn’t cancel out my first comment. ‘Course, you’d have to pull the racism card, you couldn’t have managed to resist the Left’s favourite sheep response. You’re all like a bunch of preprogramed automatons, with a very limited speed dial.
            The woman is talking rubbish, but she’s hardly the first non-white to come out with all this rubbish. She/’s just one of many. She’s a social type, she’s very easily recognisable.

            • Liz

              You made up a caricature, you made up words to put in its mouth and then you attacked it.

              You heard of Straw Men?

              • sarahsmith232

                My comment was not an e.g of a straw man argument. I was bringing to life a ridiculous social type, it’s an easily recognisable social type. It’s also a very ridiculous one. But it’s not one that her type is able to see, she certainly isn’t able to see in herself. I was taking the p***, fully. Do you lack a sense of the ridiculous? Some people do, I suppose. Maybe you’/re one of them.

                • Wessex Man

                  I wouldn’t bother if I were you, she sounds like tele’s sister that e doesn’t talk about.

                • sarahsmith232

                  LOL, funny. Yep the Metro Left lot are short on numbers, prob’ an explanation for their cluelessness – decades long North London inbreeding. Enjoy your day.

              • anotherjoeblogs

                surely it’s straw person ???

                • sarahsmith232

                  You know she’ll have given herself a ticking off for that transgression, god bless her.

                • anotherjoeblogs

                  goddess bless her or is that sexist like poetess and actress ? it’s freekin hard to keep up these days ( oooppps )

          • Wessex Man

            er what?

    • Shinsei1967

      Whatever stupid things this woman has said she did not say that the UK was the “most sexist country in the world”.

      It really is as simple as that. She has been misquoted.

      • sarahsmith232

        Carry on reading, she did. She said it was the most in your face, the most all pervasive. That’s saying we’re the worst. Yep, she singled the country out. The woman is a left-wing loon, she listed her concerns. One being criticism of the gov’ for getting something done about FGM, she said that the gov’ should be far more concerned about ‘stigmatizing’ a community. She also attempted to blame our media for facilitating FGM, amongst other imported backwardness, because of their sexualisation of women. Our media is to blame for FGM, for creating a society which encouraged this???? What??? The woman is a prat.

  • DavidL

    Indeed. Ms Manjoo – if her views are as reported (and we must always remember that’s a big “if”) seems to leap from the pages of Peter Simple. Very well put response Ms P.

  • Barakzai

    ‘Go deal with them before you start lecturing us.’

    How very politely expressed. Two words would suffice.

    • telemachus

      But Manjoo is correct at least partly

      Harriet Harman has clearly stated “If you’re actually political, you can’t be a Conservative and a feminist. Because it’s all about equality and fairness,”

      “It’s not about the Tories, who are ‘The devil take the hind-most’ and ‘Stand on your own two feet.’

      She added: “Ultimately delivering for women in this country – in equality, childcare, helping with the elderly, maternity pay and leave – is Labour’s mission.”

      • MirthaTidville

        No its not Liebours mission…its Harridon Harperson`s…The biggest fool in anyones politics

      • Holly

        Shame that it was Labour ‘s dismal failure, over the thirteen years they were ‘in charge’, we got to where we are now…..Being judged as a sexist country.
        Or did everything bad about Britain today suddenly happen overnight in 2010, because the Tories got into power?
        Personally I think bods like Harman have done a great disservice to women, by making them think they should hand over their children to others, while they go out to work, usually for the state.

        I would rather have twenty sexist men than one Harman.
        You can ignore the men, but Harman is in a position of power that she should never have been allowed to get to.

        • telemachus

          Blair and Brown began a harmonisation of the sexes that was interrupted by the misogynist coalition

          • Colonel Mustard

            Tripe. Even for you. The World Champion of Tripe.

            • telemachus

              Harriet can knock spots off the girl who was the target of the quotes above

              • Colonel Mustard

                Yes, I’m sure she leaves her standing in the loony harridan stakes.

                • telemachus

                  I am tired of the sexist jibes at one of the greatest steadiest politicians of this century
                  When we look back at the reasons for our victory 6 months on in November next year we will write Harriet’s name high on the roll of honour

                • Colonel Mustard

                  I am tired of your gigantic ego, your oily sanctimony, your unseemly hubris and the way you patronise and lecture people here as if you have all the answers to everything.

                  Nothing sexist about it.

                  ‘Harridan’ – “a strict, bossy, or belligerent old woman”. Fits Mistress Harm the Nation, the Dominatrix of Conscience, perfectly.

                • telemachus

                  Strict and bossy are terms of derision used exclusively for women one dislikes
                  Used in the workplace they would gain censure from the diversity officer

                • Hexhamgeezer

                  Cobblers. My youngest uses it about me all the time.

                • Mike

                  Funny how most women employees much prefer working for a man than women like Harman !

                • Mike

                  The only legacy Harman has and will have is an apologist for pedophiles and little else.

                • Damon

                  ‘The devil take the hind-most,’ characterises Tories, says Ms Harman. This, of course, is just an infantile stereotype, like saying Labour is all about muesli, sandals and benefit fraud.

              • Hexhamgeezer

                Paedo PR ‘R’ Us

            • RobertC

              It’s as nice a PIE!

          • http://www.readmypoems.co.uk Alison

            The coalition are not mysoginists, they are as ignorant and wooly minded about feminism as Blair/Brown New Labour were. There is a great deal of mysoginy in this country, but women do themselves a disservice when they constantly regard themselves as victims and wish to constantly draw attention to difference. There is also a great deal of violence to men by other men as well which is no less appalling because the gender of the victim is the same as the perpetrator. Violence is wrong. However laws already exist to deal with all these crimes, we do not need more intervention from the government which unfortunately will be the knee jerk reaction to this report. As the writer implies it is because we have still a certain amount of free speech that we know about the prevalence of sexist attitudes. Harmonisation of the sexes cannot come about by law enforced through government departments, only by women displaying their equal worth and never capitulating in the face of discrimination. Mrs Thatcher is obviously not an example of womanhood to appeal to you, but she became our first Prime Minister by largely ignoring her femaleness and ensuring that we focused on her ideas.

            • telemachus

              We see in the workplace, in schools and in the media every day evidence of the harassment of women
              It is the duty of Government to lead
              The lads culture at the heart of the coalition precludes this

              • Holly

                Stop harrassing Alison!

              • http://www.readmypoems.co.uk Alison

                I am meeting up with an old friend today who was regularly subjected to violence by her husband of the sort mentioned in this report. I am pretty sure that in the mind of this thug when he was knocking my beautiful friend about was not the lads culture at Westminster. Individuals must take personal responsibility for their actions. The law already exists to prevent violence. It is right that domestic violence is being regarded in the same way as all other violence, but this is how it should always have been. It was the idea that violence against women was a separate sort of violence, because women were regarded as ‘other’, which meant domestic violence wasn’t regarded as just plain violence for so long. This comes from the idea that the world is split into groups of people. This is the old divide and rule thing and it amazes me that left are still so fond of it. We are not victims of the middle class, white, male heterosexual oppressor. If we want equality we must regard ourselves as individuals with individual responsibility and as one people. The real victims of violence do not speak carelessly about it.

          • Holly

            No.
            The snivelling left took away anything masculine, made anything feminine masculine, all in the name of ‘equality’ of course.
            This went against everything that creates a stable family unit, with the end result being millions dependent on the state, with no concept of family, that has been proven to be the best for children to grow up in, or what their role in life should be.
            We now have a situation where men are somehow irrelevant when it comes to being masculine or fathers, and women are being encouraged to work and let others rear their young.
            It is all unnerving and certainly goes against human nature and our culture…..But the left don’t do culture, or god, or faith, unless it’s not our own, then they lap it up.
            They make me want to puke!

            • RobertC

              I thought it was only men who couldn’t follow what was going on!

          • La Fold

            Hahahaha! You are the best wind up merchant on here.

      • Colonel Mustard

        You are not the messiah. You are a very silly boy.

        • telemachus

          No
          But you will all come closer to salvation if you espouse the caring socialist principles our movement espouses

          • Colonel Mustard

            My salvation is no concern of yours and I can think of nothing more antithetical to spiritual well-being than exposure to the quasi-religious cant peddled by you on behalf of your “movement”.

            Salvation starts with honesty and truth. One does not come close to it by espousing the party of lies, lying and liars.

            • telemachus

              The message is a start
              At this Easter time we remember the parables
              One of the most powerful relates to Camels and eyes of needles
              Cameron and most posters round here need to heed

              • Colonel Mustard

                I can think of a message for you too. . .

                • telemachus

                  Fortunately the message is increasingly being heard

                • Keith D

                  Fuck off. You love the importation of misogynistic vile nutjobs, it was your hero that thought it was a spiffing wheeze.

      • HJ777

        That would be Harriet Harman whose husband became a Labour parliamentary candidate (and subsequently an MP) after being selected from an all-women shortlist.

        • Mike

          Perhaps he has a feminine side as his wife certainly doesn’t !

    • Mike

      And the second word is “OFF” !

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